I’ve been hesitant to weigh in on the recent Wyrmwood controversy publicly because my feelings are complicated, and the internet can be a difficult place to articulate complicated feelings. I've collaborated with Wyrmwood for years and I have close friends there, but I was disappointed by how they responded to the recent allegations. I'd like to briefly quote a friend at Dispel Dice, who better expressed many of the thoughts I myself have been wrestling with: "We have heard from every person, but not the victim. This is their story -- to tell or not to tell -- and it is being told by everyone else." More than anything, my heart is with the person whose voice is being drowned out here. I've made a donation to RAINN, the nation's largest anti-sexual violence organization, in this unknown victim's honor. I hope any of you who can afford to will consider doing the same. give.rainn.org/a/donate
Any changes to the above statement in light of multiple victims sharing their stories, including specific allegations against the Wyrmwood employee featured in this video?
@@teaganbread Agree. "but two others attest that head of media Bobby Downey had sexually harassed them while they were either employees of Wyrmwood or involved in a business partnership the company. Downey did not respond to io9’s request for comment." (Gizmodo) - Should take this whole video down.
@@CronoCloudAuron Yep. My group's combats are relatively close quarters because our table is small, which tends to handicap sniper-focused PC designs.
"I expect to have this table for a minimum of a decade." Shoot, I'd be putting that bad boy in my will for my grandchildren. EDIT: This is a wonderful review, Ginny D. I should've led with that.
True that! I inherited some nice furniture from my grand parents. Quality stuff really lasts for decades. I would not be surprised if the real lifespan on this thing is about 100 years.
My brother makes furniture for a living, so we might just replicate the basic design of this piece with a handful of modifications and sustainable wood sourcing. Thank you for the really helpful review! Edit: I live in Europe, so buying the original piece isn't an option. DIY it is! 👍
I live in Canada but I'm doing the same thing because I have the workshop. They do a pretty good job with the wood sourcing. They have a couple videos on it.
I don't know what lumber prices are around there, but when I built my own it was frankly WAY cheaper than any wyrmwood table. We did a pretty thick finish, a oak leg base, and a pine top. A drop down with cork on the inside for easy replacement, and a small pine rail to drop a topper on. Drawers for laptops, and cupholders. Six person table in all, but we could definitely squeeze in at least 5 more. Definitely would've been cheaper if we didn't make it bar table height. (Some of our group are quite tall lol.) But all in all wood alone was about 350 usd (300 originally, and an extra 50 due to us having to scrap a few pieces due to mistakes) And then another 200 usd in the other things we needed like the cupholders, cork, rails, etc. So 550 USD total. If you need any tips just hit me up! We learned a few things the hard way.
@@lilnoomer596 To be fair that sounds like it was roughly $550 in materials costs *without* factoring in all the time needed to actually build the thing, nevermind the necessary tools and equipment to do so in the first place.... If you've already got all the necessary woodworking tools, planer, table saw, jointer, etc etc etc.... then by all means yeah, build your own table.
In regards to the scratches, there are a lot of different types of wood oil you can get (make sure to find one in the right shade). you just dab little bit on some kitchen paper or something and rub it over the scratches. It won't put the varnish back on but it will dye the exposed wood so the scratches aren't as visible. some of the more expensive ones even work as waterproofing, protecting the unvarnished wood from and water spillages. My mum has a pretty decently sized bottle (probably about 750ml?) she got for fairly cheap that she uses to oil over the kitchen cabinets above the steamer where the steam stripped the varnish off. The bottles last ages because you only use a teeny tiny bit at a time.
Yeah. Almond and walnut oil are excellent for concealing scratches. And if you can't find the oil, if you just have a walnut or almond available, you can rub one of those on the scratch (almond for lighter wood and walnut for darker). If you have nut allergies, though.. that kinda sucks, but other oils work well too.
This is such good advice! You can also get scratch "fixing" stuff in the form of a felt-tip marker. They are quite affordable and easy to use, and come in a variety of shades.
I'd love to know how secure the toppers are. I'd be so paranoid about spilling a drink in dining mode and accidentally ruining the gaming gear underneath.
Very! they have multiple magnets along the length as well as a tong and grove joint between them that has a rubber gasket that stops liquid from seeping through with spills. Works very well.
This was exactly what I wanted to know, if one of my kids spills a cup of juice am I going to trash the felt and anything underneath while a grab a towel to wipe it up.
I can picture someone's grandchildren bringing these tables to an antique appraiser and being told "This is actually a gaming table. Back in the early 21st century people used to use these to play tabletop games. They were like video games but without the computer. You would have actual game pieces and roll dice to simulate an algorithm." Then the grandchild would be like "Oh, that's interesting. We always just assumed it was for storing stuff in."
@@morrigankasa570 I'm in my early 40s and I have always been into technology but I don't like the rate at which we're throwing out the old ways of doing stuff the last 10 or 15 years. Technologies increase exponentially so every new generation will see more change than the last, and not everything is better with technology, but people will get used to it.
For all the garage magician woodworkers out there who have "built a table just like this but for about $200 in lumber with minimal equipment"... how about ya'll post videos of those tables so that the rest of us can see them? I'd love to see these amazing creations and compare them to the one that Ginny shows in the video.
Eh, my old roommate built himself one and tricked it out over the course of the pandemic. It has everything mentioned here plus cubbies for six players, integrated speakers, two beer taps connected to kegs, and a touchscreen map as the play surface. It was that or go insane, so I’m glad he chose sanity.
I haven't seen the Wyrmwood tables in person but I remember the same comments being made about Geek Chic tables, and people posting videos saying how they saved themselves so much money by building their own... Let me tell you, as a skilled sometimes woodworker who'd sat at and closely inspected Geek Chic tables, there's only one video I've seen that matched (or even came close to) Geek Chic quality, and that was The Wood Whisperer. I know I sure as heck couldn't manage it without a MUCH better shop and a few hundred hours. From the quality of the other Wyrmwood stuff I've seen... yeah, I expect the same thing holds true. Lots of people making similar things but the quality difference is massive.
A couple of items I'd add to clarify some things: 1 - If scratches to the top of the table are a concern, one of the new accessories is a module that lets you fasten a tablecloth to the top of the table so that it won't slip off, meaning that with any tablecloth, scratching is much less of an issue. 2 - Regarding the topper block accessory: the new lid for it has synergy with the block and the table, meaning that when the table is in dinner mode, the top for the block makes it a stool, and when it's in gaming mode the top actually becomes a module for the table, so there's no longer any concern with not getting maximum use out of everything.
Some thoughts from my experience: we've had ours for about 5 months now -- ours is in cherry, and I agree that the cherry is a pretty manageable wood for moving the topper around. The cup holders being 100% movable is fantastic, and that they're a removable metal cup inside means you can also use them to hold bits for a board game, if you have spare cup holders. The magnetic rail runs both inside AND outside the center vault, so you can even use the cupholders while the toppers are on. I didn't get the Game Deck, but one of the accessories not mentioned that I think has been GREAT is just the acrylic pre-cut panels that can lay over the felt. If you have paper maps, you can lay them down, place the acrylic over it, and then draw on the acrylic, or even just have your maps preserved and safe. I also do a lot of wargaming in the old hex-and-counter vein, and having something that protects the paper hex grids is just a serious bonus.
A little history first. When working, I designed for two of the world's largest high-end office furniture companies. Scratching is definitely a flaw. The products I worked on were very expensive and beautiful. They also resisted normal were and tear for years and years. Heavy is not a negative for sold well made furniture. Assembly I not a negative, it saves on shipping. Most furnities of this type needs assembly. I am very jealous. I have been gaming for for the majority of my life, and if I had a D&D wish, I would consider making it for that table with all the accessories
The things I was looking for were “solid” and “big ol’ piece of wood”. All the other concerns about scratchability and weight are pretty much common to all fine furniture. Thank you for this review, because the quality of end product was my main concern, and this thing looks amazing! Thank you so much for doing this.
I can vouch for them being rock-solid. I got more or less the same table Ginny did (just in Walnut). The legs, rails, and topper panels are all solid wood. Her standing on the table and hopping up and down and it not moving is 100% representative of how stable these tables are. The ONLY part of them that isn't solid wood is the bit under the felt (it's still high-quality SANDED plywood), but that doesn't matter because that part of the table never bears any significant weight.
This table slowly has become my new obsession. Wyrmwood furniture is just so beautiful. I am legit amazed by the quality of their work. One day I will have the money for this table... one day!
I'm a woodworker, the stuff is mid tier quality. Full disclosure, they screwed me in their first Kickstarter. It wasn't a table, just a dice box, but I never got what was promised. Supposed to be purple heart, I got cedar. They were very rude.
@@GarrettMoffitt honestly, with the allegation that came out this week, and more people sharing similar experiences with the quality of their product, I feel like as much as I like the table, i can definitely find a more ethical company that probably builds better tables.
I do adore searching and watching videos about fancy gaming tables. Living vicariously through videos is how I get my fix. For now I don't even have a place in my house to play, we always play at friend's houses or online. We want a game room or something one day or at least to clear our kitchen table off of all the clutter we have. Thank you for the review though! Had no idea they had some cheaper tables around 700. That isn't bad at all.
My gaming table is a bare door blank from Home Depot on top of two Ikea 2x2 Kallax shelf units. That is my budget for furniture :). I did spend $2500 on a recliner to support my horrendous back, but if I could spend Wyrmwood $$$ on anything I would replace the chair with an even better version. One has to set priorities.
For those who've gotten bad scratches on their wooden furniture, if you rub a walnut core on the scratch it can help hide it. As the oils in the walnut fill up the scratch and can even turn it invisible. I have to buy some of those for my oak floor now that I'm moving out because my steel feeted chairs have scratched it a bit.
My DM has a combination pool table/dining table that we sometimes use. Its depth allows for most maps and minis to be placed and the cover placed over them. Just the novelty of a cover that can go over terrain without moving it is a massive benefit.
I’d echo a lot of the same sentiments that Ginny has with the table, although mine is the coffee table height in the living room with a sectional couch basically framing it, so I don’t run into as many issues with no place to put the accessories or the items that she runs into with using it for the dining room table. Having the cup holder or the charging pack right there even with the topper on is a big hit for me personally. It does feel like the nicest thing I own outside of something like a car.
We need a new dining table and I might legit look at a Wyrmwood table now. Definitely have to budget, but as me and my partner both DM games, this could be a value add. Cheers, Ginny!
I'm in the same boat. Need a dining room table, and want to have a gaming table as well. Wanted to build one with a TV in it, but the more I use a vtt, the more I want to build a complicated multi-camera setup with minis and physical terrain to stream a remote/local game over Discord with my distance players. The MGT fits what I want fairly well.
Yes, yes, I DID drop one of the panels on my foot and broken the bone at the base of my big toe. I have a permanent dent in my foot now. However, it was ENTIRELY my fault, I wasn't paying attention to how close it was to the edge of the table and then went to pick it up without supporting it even. Corner landed on my foot and... ouch. But hey! I got a really cool mobility device out of it that I am now going to take to cons so I can just have a seat whenever I need one! :D
Living vicariously it is... I don't really have the space and I live in Europe, but if not for that I'd seriously consider buying one of those tables! They are just amazing to look at. Thank you for the comprehensive review!
With all due respect, you have a solid wenge heirloom quality table. Even without the gaming aspect, that should be treasured for generations. It made me sad to hear you say you may only have it for ten years or so. All those miner dings and scratches always add to the history and character of heirloom furniture. A bunch of relatively rare trees died for that table. Most average people just won’t have the spare money for something like that. If I had a table like that I’d wipe it with wood oil on a diaper every day, build a little alter to it, sacrifice inferior woods to it.
The dents, the paint/drink stains, and the scratches are the best parts the table I use for my gaming. It’s the memories of the games I’ve played with friends and in my opinion only, makes it worth more with more history attached. Thanks for review I was curious about the product. Cheers to many more games.
Just built my table I ordered a year ago. I watched this video before I ordered it and it helped me be prepared for what to expect. I found your review pretty accurate. I also was ready with extra storage for all the accessories so they’re not just sitting out. Lastly I got the box too for the panel holder and it’s sick. Thanks for this video it was helpful.
You would be surprised how many people my age threw out there grandparents solid hardwood furniture for some modern garbage that didn't last or just looks aged. When I was a kid I had a massive cherry desk with a rock slab top that weighed like 250 lbs. I wish I never got rid of it. I'm currently in the process of making a nice chessboard out of Alder but it's one of those projects I've started but probably will never finish. Lol
I backed the original Kickstarter in like October 2020 and still don’t have a table so I’m surprised to hear that there’s already a version 2 😅. Appreciate the honest review and transparency about pricing, but I wanted to add that we went with more budget friendly options for the wood and size and were unpleasantly surprised to find that shipping was going to cost us an additional $600. So make sure if you’re ordering that you account for extreme shipping costs, as knowing that would have kept us from purchasing.
Decades ago I DM'ed an AD&D group, and every Wednesday, after school we would set up around the pool table in the basement to play. I remember appreciating rolling the dice on the felt, and that the rails that would keep the dice from ever falling off the table. So for me I am a supporter of the broad idea of a gaming table
"I have a pretty small house" - says the person with a table that's 2 feet longer than my entire dining room, not even factoring in chairs, and would barely fit in my living room.😆
Appreciate the review - but you should consider adding your "kids" tests. If a drink is spilled on the table does the drink run into the game area below? Wood stains from drinks not on coasters? Barbeque sauce? Does the gaming area survive cleaning? Can kids push off the topper accidentally? If a child hangs on the side of the table does the topper stay in place? You get the gist.
They did a couple of spill tests and other hardiness tests on their vlog. It's definitely not perfect, but it's reasonably good. Adding an additionally liquid-resistant tablecloth and their tablecloth clip system will probably help if drip-through is a frequent concern. Drinks and sauces don't seem to be a major concern, but coasters are probably still a good precaution to take. ruclips.net/video/fSDW_SPf8Ro/видео.html
They have some information in their video series but I can answer most of that. Drinks don't go down they have rubber gaskets tongue and grove that's held with magnets. The finish doesnt stain from water exposure and it's sealed from the sauce but you should use coasters to avoid scratches. The felt inside can be hand washed like any felt or replaced if ruined for a low cost. vacuuming also works for most things. Toppers are held on very well with each being tied together with a tongue and grove as well as four strong magnets that plus weight will be strong enough to stop most kids. and there is almost no overhang so not enough leverage for even an adult hanging off the end to move the toppers. also its wood with a natural finish (thank god) so expect scratches from kids and pets. Most small scratches can be repaired with a wood finish restoration stick or just rubbing walnuts on it. (seriously)
I have one of these, too, and totally agree with everything you've said! Couple misses I would add: -They sold so many tables on that first kickstarter, it took them TWO YEARS to get me my table -When the table arrived, it had several damaged parts, and we had to go through three different rounds of replacements -But seriously, that finish is shockingly fragile, especially considering how much they advertised it as being indestructible early on But two hits I'd add: -For all the replacement rounds we went through, they had excellent customer service, and each round was as painless as it could be -They're expensive tables, but, feature for feature, they're something like HALF the cost of comparable tables in this space. We spend thousands but saved thousands. Nothing else in the market came close to meeting the price
As an owner of probably the same table in cherry, can confirm every one of these. The topper panels' weight is a consideration, but in cherry even my SO who also dumped str and dex is able to handle them. Wenge is just /dense/, and solid wood is solid. The assembly...its solid wood except for the bottom of the vault, which is still sturdy plywood. So the table is heavy. I managed to assemble it by myself, but doing so includes flipping a 30-40kg frame, and moving a complete table in the ballpark of 50-60kg's. Before the toppers. 2-person, build on carpet/cloth, anything less is doing yourself a disservice. Build quality is excellent. Standing on it is...honestly fine. It's one of the only pieces I'd feel comfortable holding my weight. I actually trust it more than I trust my aging chairs that I sit on every day. I wouldn't trust the interior vault for an adult's weight because it doesn't have that many screws holding it up...but it stood up perfectly fine to a 3 year old playing in it. Fitment (panels matching up flush) could be better, but as a woodworker, that's the cost of using actual wood. Also, a decade is probably an order of magnitude off. With a bit of care and a refinishing every few decades, this thing could easily live longer than me. The only thing stopping me from getting a second table is that I don't have a place for a 2nd table. The finish is the worst part about the table; the only real miss. Under light use, it'll probably only last a decade before it looks bad. If you've got kids, maybe 3-4 years. It scratches so easily and it's noticeable even on cherry. Fortunately, it'll be easy to sand off and put a better finish on it when the time comes. That's the lovely thing about real wood furniture. When you eventually ruin the finish, you can re-finish it. (having refinished my parent's table twice with polyurethane as my brothers and I lived on it, I really do mean it's going to be easy to re-finish.) Overall, I absolutely love it. If you're a table-top gamer, puzzler, quilter, or anything like that, and you're in the position to buy a piece of furniture that you plan on keeping for your entire lifetime, get it. The medium size is probably the nicest table that you can get at the $1200 price point; including the whole non-gaming table market. If you can handle assembly it's worth it for non-gamers. If you'll use the vault at all, it's a slam dunk.
When i built my house, i bought an oak Amish farmhouse table (stretches to seat 20), & 23 year later it remains a prized possession. You will probably love your Wyrmwood table for a lifetime.
I would have liked to hear more about how it works as gaming table. How do players manage their character sheets, do layers and GM have to get up out of their chairs more to access the game in the pit. Does this get annoying? What benefits have you found it has had in your games etc. There are many reviews on gaming tables out and they cover the table quality and basic features but not how using the table for said games has been. I would love to hear the Hit and miss list on gaming with the table.
Not mentioned but important: All the topper pieces fit together using strong "rare earth" magnets and have a rubber gasket on the inside of the tongue; combined, the tabletop when assembled is all but watertight, so even if you spill your felt is safe. And of course, this also means that the topper pieces stay tightly stuck to each other. The 2 "end" topper pieces ALSO have magnets in the bottom corner(s) that hold them down to the base of the table so that the entire assembled top does not shift out of place if bumped. Also, expecting your real-wood furniture to never ding or scratch is unrealistic. Yes, it has a nice urethane finish baked onto it. It's still wood. It's going to "wear" over time, that's part of the charm of a long-lasting, real solid wood piece of furniture. Source: My wife and I got our own table (Medium dining modular in Walnut) about 8 months ago.
While it's not looking likely that I'll ever own such a lovely table, I do appreciate update videos on things so thanks! A lot of people only tend to make a video after a year or so on a given product _only_ if there's something wrong. We need more product longevity videos on RUclips!
I've eyed tables of this sort for so dang long, ever since I saw the Sultan at PAX West in like, 09 or something. But then when I finally got a big house with room for a big sweet gaming table and space around it for chairs, my partner found a big sweet (but regular) dining room table at a furniture manufacturer going out of business (legit even) for like a hundred bucks. I couldn't pass that up. Glad to see gaming table making still going strong!
This comment is to call out Wyrmwood, Wenge is critically endangered, and is on the IUCN red list. The people at Wyrmwood should know better. But that table looks rad, I might make a similar.
To add another miss to the table (for folks like me at least) : The legs are not adjustable. I don't mean you need to be able to turn a knob to raise or lower the height, but that the legs are set heights that cannot be swapped without tools/messing up your table. You CAN order the tables in 3 different heights (which I do love and does make them tempting), but I can't see any way to order extra legs for when you want to swap it out. I CAN do that with my existing cheapo IKEA setup and it's essential for our needs because we simply do not have space for a dinning room setup. For us, our "gaming/dining table" is just an extra big IKEA coffee table that fits into our L shaped sofa area nicely. If we need it at a different height (Like for Thanksgiving) we can just screw desk legs on instead. Also, those desk legs have feet that twist up or down which we desperately need with our old house's uneven floors but lack of those isn't a deal breaker for us. Houses in my town are just too old and too small for me to invest any money into something that isn't EVERY purpose or at least made to easily pack away. Even our kitchen island folds away and can be rolled into a corner.
5K for a real wood, full dining table with leaf's, and a big gaming area with the charging options. Easily worth it. Even the starting table at 1K sounds like good deal if the quality = price.
Side note. As someone luckily enough to grow up with, and still own, very old antique furniture. Large gauges are just par for the course. It's called "character" 😅🤣
I have a Medium Black Walnut from the first Kickstarter. Of all dumb expensive purchases i've made in my life and later regret, this table has to be the one that I do not believe i will EVER regret. 100% recommend.
I quite like a few little dinks and dings on real wooden furniture that I've owned for a while. They tell the story of my time with the table. As long as they don't ruin it functionally or are too noticeable, they add character. Maybe that's just me :)
I'm a current MGT owner and this is an accurate review. Overall I've been thrilled with the table for the price -- there are a lot more expensive gaming tables out there, but this is great quality for the price. The scratches thing, you can try a walnut or other oily nut -- rub it against the scratches and you'll it'll make them less visible. I also recommend special oil based cleaners made for wood furniture. Like you, this is the nicest furniture I own, so I've had to learn all of this xD The other nice thing about MGT is that since it's modular, if you get it scratched up, you can always replace parts years down the line. I plan to get a brand new topper one day, maybe in a nicer wood too if I can afford it by then.
The nice thing about real wood tables like that is that you can have the finish re-done. Also as a side note, tables like that likely will last 50 years or more when taken care of :) Loved the video!
I absolutely love my Wyrmwood modular table, and I sure as heck didn't get it for free. It's not just the nicest piece of furniture I own, it's a truly excellent tool for elevating my favorite hobby. I made a set of magnetic light bars that snap into the inner rails and the result is so dramatic! 10/10, worth every penny.
This is so cool! And with "switching from gaming to dining and back" you totally had me 😊 Dining and gaming as a group together is very important for me but it always causes a mess if it's done at the same table - this cool piece of furniture is the solution. About scratches: wood and leather are "living" materials and I think it adds to their character if one sees they have some wear and tear (seeing the scratches my cat did on hardwood in my apartment still makes me smile because i remember how playful she was). Good thing: scratches in the finishing can be fixed. I really love the looks of Wenge, but it is an endangered tropical species, so I personally would stay away from that (because of deforestation and very negative CO2 footprint of transportation).
I always dreamed of owning a gaming table. I finally got the chance when a friend was moving cross country and sold me his at a good price. Then COVID hit shortly after, so it's never been fully used the way I hoped to. But it's still ready. A gaming table is an amazing piece of furniture once you are living in a place long term, this is house material, you don't want to move it ever again. It's also, like Ginny's the most expensive piece of furniture in my house, around the price of my first used car. But it is amazing, and it is useful if you game, ESPECIALLY if you own pets.
My permaculture teacher once told me that any piece of wooden furniture should last at least a long as the tree took to grow and I think that applies here too Your grandkids are gonna be playing games on this table for yonks to come
I've had my medium cherry table for a year now as well, and it's barely scratched - or if it is, it's hard to notice. If you've got the budget (do not go into debt for a table), I do recommend it. It's also easily the nicest piece of furniture I own.
The maple is 1/3 the price and more worth it imo. I use mine in a dedicated game/hobby/office room and I expect to expire before it does. I was not happy waiting for over 2 years for it but it's a good table. I believe they are also working on a wall hanging solution for accessories which I am interested in.
Being able to safely store jigsaws earns my mother's approval. Very impressive. Seriously cool to see how far these sort of tables have come on since my dad's days. All the comparisons to IKEA are giving me flashbacks to the "your local IKEA showroom is full of mimics" game I once ran.
We have a different one (Carolina Game Tables!) so while accessories, etc., are different, I 100% on your general points. This one was less "Ikea", but we did have to put the legs on, etc., ourselves. It isn't wenge, but there is zero chance of me managing the lid panels (different size - I might be able to handle the ones like yours) on my own. And holy cow, yes, the (mostly) fine scratches on it - we've had it about a year and a half, and replaced our old dining table, so always in use. For context on price - we paid ~$2500 for it in 2021 (prices were starting to go up then, but not where they are now). We did buy an "as is" table (ordered and not picked up, or convention tables, etc.), but the color and interior were what we liked. We have a friend that works in the furniture industry and we listed off the points about it (construction, finish, yadda yadda yadda), and she said our price was very reasonable for the quality we got. "But wait, there's more!" 😄 The addition of the removable top put it in the "wow, that's a good deal" category. With mild caveats (and there are ways to find deals too - one reason we chose CGT is because we could pick it up ourselves, and not pay to have it shipped) I do not at all regret having gotten it, and will probably be leaving it to someone in my will.
I'm really glad to have your opinion on this, Ginny! I'm likely never going to get one myself (I have a beautiful table already that I got secondhand, even if it doesn't have as many bells and whistles), but it does really reinforce the quality of the Wyrmwood option (and makes me more likely to get some of the less-expensive products).
Awesome review! I went with a dining gaming table from Carolina Game Tables. I like it, but because we have little ones in the house we took the option of getting a single topper because we were worried about kids spilling drinks with the topper on and the liquid finding its way into the gaps ans damaging the recessed felt play area, Yeah, dont be like us folks. A six by 4 foot Mahagony table topper is like... ridiculouly heavy, as in it takes two people to move it. I might eventually order the modular topper for my table. Also a vinyl tablecloth works to prevent the very thing we were concerned about. The table in gamer mode does have great cupholders though. Still, we love our dining gaming table and do frequent rpg and board game nights on it. Not done any puzzles yet though.
My family has a beautiful dining table that we've had since the 70s. We pretty much stopped using it in the late 80s and it's just been a decoration piece ever since.
Could not help but laugh at the out take of the cat meowing, whenever I ring my mother her cat does the exact same! Our theory is that cat can hear a 2nd person's voice but does not understand where they are "hiding" so is voicing her confusion/concerns to human parent.
As someone with both cats and a real wood table I'd really recommend the default state of the table as being protected with a felt or foam topper (check what is compatible with the finish) and a linen tablecloth. Misjudged jumps will happen.
My wife and I have been eyeballing these since the original kickstarter, but held off because of kids and pets at the time. We just pledged for the new wave of production and are very excited! Thank you for the review for those of us that are just now getting on board (or are thinking about it).
One concern I have for this design is with D&D. The players in my group all use notebooks (of various sizes) during the games, but it doesn't seem like there's anything more than a narrow ledge (~4 inches?) that they could use to support those notebooks when the table interior is exposed.
Yeah, every piece is made of wood by a team of trained craftspeople - it’s all expensive. Whether or not the price is worth it is up to each person, it’s a luxury item.
My friends have a big table and they went for a game deck at the DM side, a game deck on the opposite side, and two player desks in the middle on either side. Works pretty well!
I still have my grandmother's dinging room table and I will be passing it on to one of my nieces or nephews when the time comes. I also have two very nice bedroom sets that belonged to my grandmother that are easily over 80 years old. GOOD wood furniture (real solid wood vs laminated particle board or even some plywood - although plywood is better than particle board) that is taken care of will last multiple lifetimes. I already own the tables I need/want and I can't give them away just yet as the relatives that are just starting out in life are not at the point where they would have room for them, but I do have a couple of points about the review. The toppers are heavy because they need to be. They stretch over a fair distance with no support in the middle. As you showed in your video, they can support your body weight, which means they need to be thick enough to do so. If they made the toppers lighter, they would sag or break when someone crawled on the table, or overloaded it with food for a holiday meal. I would say the weight is a hit, not a miss. The finish scratching easily is an issue though. Especially as you are going to have people reaching over the sides to move their pieces around, dropping toppers on it, etc. That said, many times you can either do a spot refinish or just refinish the top and it will be just fine. However, just remember that it's a nice piece of furniture, so be sure you take care of it by cleaning it properly Last - you never talked about the fit of the toppers. What happens WHEN someone spills their milk on the table? Will it drip down into your gaming area or do the toppers have rubber seals that would prevent this? How easy is it to clean the felt? Nice review.
I know a couple of people with similar tables from a UK manufacturer, and the general concensus seems to be that they're great products & great for gaming, but exceedingly expensive -- so as good as they are at what they do, the value may be hard to justify; and I suspect it's similar for Wyrmwood. As mentioned the cheaper versions may be the right answer for many people, then it becomes a case of moving the curve to find the right utility, and the sunk cost -- the accessories make it easy to upgrade a given table, but the table itself is just what it is. So if possible anyone thinking about getting one should try and find a few examples to try out before they place an order, to ensure they know what the right sort of base table is for them.
LOVE my MGT! However, I think I'm going to be getting some player desks because with the vault open there's no place for players to put their stuff on the tiny rails. 😁
@@RijackiTorment there are rails on the outside and inside so you can put stuff all over but they offer player desks as an accessory that attaches to the rail to give each player a little space. Check out there videos or the customizer. there really is an option for everyone.
@@RijackiTorment I have a gaming table from a different company and I run into the same problem. We usually leave the toppers on during a session because its just easier to set everyone's stuff on the flat surface. If I got a new table I'd want to make sure the rails are plenty wide enough for my player's things. The recessed playing area is great for things like jigsaw puzzles though!
@@RijackiTorment As MysticRick mentioned, player desks are the answer here, and specifically designed with D&D in mind. Though if those are too big for your playing style, they also have a smaller accessory this time called a Hobby Shelf. You can even put a Hobby Shelf on both the inside and outside to make a larger surface.
Almost $5k for a table - interesting coincidence that you would post it now. Next month I'll be spending exactly that much on a very different kind of table. It's made of metal and contains many accessories including a very sharp disk that spins very fast. It'll be the centerpiece of my new workshop: the professional grade saw-stop cabinet saw with large crosscut sled. Not at all expensive for the amount of use it'll get.
they have gaskets between them so you don't have to worry about things leaking between too much and you can just take them off to clean. and just like with any peace of good wooden furniture use hot pads for pots and hot drinks, bowls, etc. This isn't a plastic table.
Yeah, it's still raw wood with a baked-on urethane finish. You're going to want to use trivets or the equivalent for anything you take out of the oven. Or a tablecloth. If you slap something that just came out of a 450 degree oven directly onto the topper it's absolutely going to burn.
I've had my 4'x6' Table of Ultimate Gaming for two and a half years now and love it. The quality of Wyrmword tables appears better, but mine was a fraction of the price. Plus I don't feel as bad cutting into my toppers to make a hole for a TV, as I no doubt wouldn't want to do this for a Wyrmwood. I would probably pledge to this Kickstarter if I didn't already have what I need.
I can see how one could say the weight of Wyrmwood topper is a miss, but I would ask "compared to what?". I would take into account the Wyrmwood toppers vs many other solutions. Wyrmwood has good topper storage and also the design allows each section to be relatively small compared to some designs that require two people. When you look at the competition in the same price range, I think the Wyrmwood topper solution is a hit or at worst, neutral.
Since the toppers are the pieces most likely to be scratched that'd make refinishing easier to DIY or cheaper to have done too though. Especially if you wanted to take that opportunity to make it sort of two-toned so that you don't have to worry about having an exact match to the stock finish. My aunt had a dining table with a leaf in the middle and she had that stained a darker color than the rest and it was really pretty. I don't know that I'd worry about scratches tbh.
Just FYI, they do make "wood furniture markers" that you can use to cover up any scratches in wood furniture. They won't do anything about gouges or surface dings, but they'd make that scratch in the assembly video be less noticeable.
Trouble with eating on tables is, and I'm speaking from personal experience here, stuff WILL spill and hands will have residues on them. If one worries about these things and the papers and models underneath the boards, I highly recommend having some lightweight tablecloth to quickly put on and take off. Also napkins and/or wipes for the hands.
Well, you just cost me a lot of money miss, and I thank you for that!These tables are amazing. I may not always agree with what you say but I still enjoy listening to your opinions, keep up the good work and thank you for all you do.
Just as an internal joke, I recall an article that was complaining that Millennials and Gen Z weren't buying luxury items like jewelry or expensive cars and it was hurting the market. Well duh! They're spending their disposable cash on useful things like RPG accessories! Seriously though, I think the younger generations would be much more happier proposing marriage with a table like this rather than an overpriced ring that De Beers dictates the value. I mean, my wife loved her engagement and wedding rings but couldn't wear them after the birth of our first child and the same went for me. I nice dining room table, however, can last a lifetime.
(Im mostly commenting for the algorithms sake, just in case things aren't working out) I love your videos so much! I got into DnD last year (what weird timing huh) and I always thought these tables were really cool. For a fun little humor thing. Ill be honest: my mind thought that Bobby's last name was Wyrmwood. I somehow didn't read "Bobby from Wyrmwood"
For the scratches on the table, try rubbing a walnut into the scratch. The oil from the nut is absorbed into the wood and acts as a stain, which hides the scratch.
really weird question, but is the gaming part comfortable? I guess what I’m confused by is what does the extra deeper layer add that a simple table-table wouldn’t accomplish? is it because it has felt, so it doesn’t get scratched when you play?
The deeper part makes it easier to keep parts for the games on the table, especially dice. If you roll dice in the deeper part, they’re not going to fly off the table. Also, if you’re playing an especially long game or building a puzzle, you can store it under the tabletop with your progress saved.
If I were to get me a gaming table, I'd likely build one myself together with my fiancée. She's a woodworking genius. That said, it's SO great to see these products being available for nerds like us these days. Only like ... 5-10 years ago, you basically had no options but to actually build your own.
That's totally my cat too. Every time I get on a Zoom call he's like, "you talking to me? You're talking to me right? I'm right here. WHY WON"T YOU ACKNOWLEDGE ME HUMAN?"
I watched this because I've been on the fence about getting a gaming table. Most certainly didn't expect the video to make my day in terms of that reaction face to the cat meows hahaha. As a voice artist and Dungeon master/cat parent myself, I related far too much. Gizmo looked so confused when I glared at him the death stare of "you know what I mean" xD
OK, this may seem like it came from nowhere, but.... I would love to see someone create a new version of this gaming table where I can open the felt area to reveal a TV underneath. This would allow me to use VTT when needed, play regular boardgames or puzzles with the felt layer on, or just dine and study with the regular tabletop
If the top panels are reversible, I would recommend turning them over every now and again to limit the amount of warping that solid timber is known to do since I couldn't see any middle supports. Also as far as the scratches go, buy a good quality wax stick of the same color, melt in like a dripping candle, then you can gently scrape away any excess wax then buff it out with a clean cloth.
Wormwood has a video of them making the top panels. They are not made from a singular piece of wood but from a number of slats (I don't remember if it was 4 or 6) and half of the slats has the wood grain pointing down and the other half has them pointing up specifically to reduce the warping.
Not reversible. They're beveled pieces and the 2 endcap panels have magnets on the bottom to hold the entire assembled topper in place so it doesn't shift if someone bumps into the table.
*meow*: favorite part of the video! Thanks for your review. I have my table, and it lives with the toppers off most the time (dedicated game room), and I'm glad to hear others have similar experiences and things to say. Now I need to go order a hobby vault to replace my game deck.
I’ve been hesitant to weigh in on the recent Wyrmwood controversy publicly because my feelings are complicated, and the internet can be a difficult place to articulate complicated feelings.
I've collaborated with Wyrmwood for years and I have close friends there, but I was disappointed by how they responded to the recent allegations. I'd like to briefly quote a friend at Dispel Dice, who better expressed many of the thoughts I myself have been wrestling with: "We have heard from every person, but not the victim. This is their story -- to tell or not to tell -- and it is being told by everyone else." More than anything, my heart is with the person whose voice is being drowned out here.
I've made a donation to RAINN, the nation's largest anti-sexual violence organization, in this unknown victim's honor. I hope any of you who can afford to will consider doing the same. give.rainn.org/a/donate
Thank you. I think you articulated the complexity well
Any changes to the above statement in light of multiple victims sharing their stories, including specific allegations against the Wyrmwood employee featured in this video?
@@teaganbread Agree. "but two others attest that head of media Bobby Downey had sexually harassed them while they were either employees of Wyrmwood or involved in a business partnership the company. Downey did not respond to io9’s request for comment." (Gizmodo) - Should take this whole video down.
nobody cares about your opinion.
* *alleged* victim
"living vicariously through someone who can get the fancy table" I feel so called out right now.
Same 😭
You do realise that Ginny has used Vicious Mockery on us? 😀
Ditto. And living vicariously through someone who has the space for one.
Exactly...
@@CronoCloudAuron Yep. My group's combats are relatively close quarters because our table is small, which tends to handicap sniper-focused PC designs.
"I expect to have this table for a minimum of a decade." Shoot, I'd be putting that bad boy in my will for my grandchildren. EDIT: This is a wonderful review, Ginny D. I should've led with that.
True that! I inherited some nice furniture from my grand parents. Quality stuff really lasts for decades. I would not be surprised if the real lifespan on this thing is about 100 years.
So would I ! That table is a family harloom!
I have a table from the first Kickstarter and I plan for my kids to inherit it. I feel I need another table as I have 2 kids. :D
My brother makes furniture for a living, so we might just replicate the basic design of this piece with a handful of modifications and sustainable wood sourcing. Thank you for the really helpful review!
Edit: I live in Europe, so buying the original piece isn't an option. DIY it is! 👍
I live in Canada but I'm doing the same thing because I have the workshop. They do a pretty good job with the wood sourcing. They have a couple videos on it.
@@chancemcclendon3906 shipping costs and import taxes is the thing making bespoke furniture from the US unappealing in europe
I don't know what lumber prices are around there, but when I built my own it was frankly WAY cheaper than any wyrmwood table. We did a pretty thick finish, a oak leg base, and a pine top. A drop down with cork on the inside for easy replacement, and a small pine rail to drop a topper on. Drawers for laptops, and cupholders. Six person table in all, but we could definitely squeeze in at least 5 more.
Definitely would've been cheaper if we didn't make it bar table height. (Some of our group are quite tall lol.) But all in all wood alone was about 350 usd (300 originally, and an extra 50 due to us having to scrap a few pieces due to mistakes) And then another 200 usd in the other things we needed like the cupholders, cork, rails, etc. So 550 USD total.
If you need any tips just hit me up! We learned a few things the hard way.
How much do you think this table is up-priced (the extra money the product is sold for above the price of making the product).
@@lilnoomer596 To be fair that sounds like it was roughly $550 in materials costs *without* factoring in all the time needed to actually build the thing, nevermind the necessary tools and equipment to do so in the first place.... If you've already got all the necessary woodworking tools, planer, table saw, jointer, etc etc etc.... then by all means yeah, build your own table.
In regards to the scratches, there are a lot of different types of wood oil you can get (make sure to find one in the right shade). you just dab little bit on some kitchen paper or something and rub it over the scratches. It won't put the varnish back on but it will dye the exposed wood so the scratches aren't as visible. some of the more expensive ones even work as waterproofing, protecting the unvarnished wood from and water spillages.
My mum has a pretty decently sized bottle (probably about 750ml?) she got for fairly cheap that she uses to oil over the kitchen cabinets above the steamer where the steam stripped the varnish off. The bottles last ages because you only use a teeny tiny bit at a time.
Yeah. Almond and walnut oil are excellent for concealing scratches. And if you can't find the oil, if you just have a walnut or almond available, you can rub one of those on the scratch (almond for lighter wood and walnut for darker). If you have nut allergies, though.. that kinda sucks, but other oils work well too.
This is such good advice!
You can also get scratch "fixing" stuff in the form of a felt-tip marker. They are quite affordable and easy to use, and come in a variety of shades.
I'd love to know how secure the toppers are. I'd be so paranoid about spilling a drink in dining mode and accidentally ruining the gaming gear underneath.
Very! they have multiple magnets along the length as well as a tong and grove joint between them that has a rubber gasket that stops liquid from seeping through with spills. Works very well.
This was exactly what I wanted to know, if one of my kids spills a cup of juice am I going to trash the felt and anything underneath while a grab a towel to wipe it up.
Wymwood has videos of them testing the waterproof-ness of the toppers by dumping a bucket of water on them and only a few drops getting through.
This was exactly my question. Especially if you have kids. Thanks everyone here for answering.
@@neileddy6159 it's ok, there were just all my minies in it, and all my 7 Wonders box, nothing much.
God damn it
me, who had hoped to hire Ginny's grandmother to lift heavy planks of wood for me: darn :(
I can picture someone's grandchildren bringing these tables to an antique appraiser and being told "This is actually a gaming table. Back in the early 21st century people used to use these to play tabletop games. They were like video games but without the computer. You would have actual game pieces and roll dice to simulate an algorithm." Then the grandchild would be like "Oh, that's interesting. We always just assumed it was for storing stuff in."
I'm 31. Please stop making me feel like I'm 131. Thank you.
"You mean you have to use your hands? That's like a baby's toy!"
I just crumbled into ashes after reading this.
Pawn Stars 2099 lol
@@morrigankasa570 I'm in my early 40s and I have always been into technology but I don't like the rate at which we're throwing out the old ways of doing stuff the last 10 or 15 years. Technologies increase exponentially so every new generation will see more change than the last, and not everything is better with technology, but people will get used to it.
I'm sure Ginny's cats are watching this video eagerly taking notes on how to disrupt puzzle time.
Living vicariously from Europe! Wyrmwood tables are gorgeous and awesome, and your videos have really showcased their functionality!
For all the garage magician woodworkers out there who have "built a table just like this but for about $200 in lumber with minimal equipment"... how about ya'll post videos of those tables so that the rest of us can see them? I'd love to see these amazing creations and compare them to the one that Ginny shows in the video.
I guarantee the finish won't be as good.
You could probably do it with $500 of lumbar, $5,000 of tools, and years of practice. Easy peasy 😉
Eh, my old roommate built himself one and tricked it out over the course of the pandemic. It has everything mentioned here plus cubbies for six players, integrated speakers, two beer taps connected to kegs, and a touchscreen map as the play surface.
It was that or go insane, so I’m glad he chose sanity.
there's already some good youtube videos on just this
I haven't seen the Wyrmwood tables in person but I remember the same comments being made about Geek Chic tables, and people posting videos saying how they saved themselves so much money by building their own... Let me tell you, as a skilled sometimes woodworker who'd sat at and closely inspected Geek Chic tables, there's only one video I've seen that matched (or even came close to) Geek Chic quality, and that was The Wood Whisperer. I know I sure as heck couldn't manage it without a MUCH better shop and a few hundred hours. From the quality of the other Wyrmwood stuff I've seen... yeah, I expect the same thing holds true. Lots of people making similar things but the quality difference is massive.
A couple of items I'd add to clarify some things:
1 - If scratches to the top of the table are a concern, one of the new accessories is a module that lets you fasten a tablecloth to the top of the table so that it won't slip off, meaning that with any tablecloth, scratching is much less of an issue.
2 - Regarding the topper block accessory: the new lid for it has synergy with the block and the table, meaning that when the table is in dinner mode, the top for the block makes it a stool, and when it's in gaming mode the top actually becomes a module for the table, so there's no longer any concern with not getting maximum use out of everything.
For a premium price I'm not expecting to pay extra for things that should not be a concern in the first place
@@luisbetancourt-dp7hh Could you expand on that?
Some thoughts from my experience: we've had ours for about 5 months now -- ours is in cherry, and I agree that the cherry is a pretty manageable wood for moving the topper around.
The cup holders being 100% movable is fantastic, and that they're a removable metal cup inside means you can also use them to hold bits for a board game, if you have spare cup holders. The magnetic rail runs both inside AND outside the center vault, so you can even use the cupholders while the toppers are on.
I didn't get the Game Deck, but one of the accessories not mentioned that I think has been GREAT is just the acrylic pre-cut panels that can lay over the felt. If you have paper maps, you can lay them down, place the acrylic over it, and then draw on the acrylic, or even just have your maps preserved and safe. I also do a lot of wargaming in the old hex-and-counter vein, and having something that protects the paper hex grids is just a serious bonus.
A little history first. When working, I designed for two of the world's largest high-end office furniture companies.
Scratching is definitely a flaw. The products I worked on were very expensive and beautiful. They also resisted normal were and tear for years and years.
Heavy is not a negative for sold well made furniture.
Assembly I not a negative, it saves on shipping. Most furnities of this type needs assembly.
I am very jealous. I have been gaming for for the majority of my life, and if I had a D&D wish, I would consider making it for that table with all the accessories
The things I was looking for were “solid” and “big ol’ piece of wood”. All the other concerns about scratchability and weight are pretty much common to all fine furniture. Thank you for this review, because the quality of end product was my main concern, and this thing looks amazing! Thank you so much for doing this.
I can vouch for them being rock-solid. I got more or less the same table Ginny did (just in Walnut). The legs, rails, and topper panels are all solid wood. Her standing on the table and hopping up and down and it not moving is 100% representative of how stable these tables are. The ONLY part of them that isn't solid wood is the bit under the felt (it's still high-quality SANDED plywood), but that doesn't matter because that part of the table never bears any significant weight.
This table slowly has become my new obsession. Wyrmwood furniture is just so beautiful. I am legit amazed by the quality of their work. One day I will have the money for this table... one day!
I'm a woodworker, the stuff is mid tier quality. Full disclosure, they screwed me in their first Kickstarter. It wasn't a table, just a dice box, but I never got what was promised. Supposed to be purple heart, I got cedar. They were very rude.
@@GarrettMoffitt honestly, with the allegation that came out this week, and more people sharing similar experiences with the quality of their product, I feel like as much as I like the table, i can definitely find a more ethical company that probably builds better tables.
I do adore searching and watching videos about fancy gaming tables. Living vicariously through videos is how I get my fix. For now I don't even have a place in my house to play, we always play at friend's houses or online. We want a game room or something one day or at least to clear our kitchen table off of all the clutter we have.
Thank you for the review though! Had no idea they had some cheaper tables around 700. That isn't bad at all.
My gaming table is a bare door blank from Home Depot on top of two Ikea 2x2 Kallax shelf units. That is my budget for furniture :). I did spend $2500 on a recliner to support my horrendous back, but if I could spend Wyrmwood $$$ on anything I would replace the chair with an even better version. One has to set priorities.
Backs and being super comfy are paramount!
That's a nice bit of DIY kitbashing though.
For those who've gotten bad scratches on their wooden furniture, if you rub a walnut core on the scratch it can help hide it. As the oils in the walnut fill up the scratch and can even turn it invisible. I have to buy some of those for my oak floor now that I'm moving out because my steel feeted chairs have scratched it a bit.
My DM has a combination pool table/dining table that we sometimes use. Its depth allows for most maps and minis to be placed and the cover placed over them. Just the novelty of a cover that can go over terrain without moving it is a massive benefit.
I’d echo a lot of the same sentiments that Ginny has with the table, although mine is the coffee table height in the living room with a sectional couch basically framing it, so I don’t run into as many issues with no place to put the accessories or the items that she runs into with using it for the dining room table. Having the cup holder or the charging pack right there even with the topper on is a big hit for me personally. It does feel like the nicest thing I own outside of something like a car.
We need a new dining table and I might legit look at a Wyrmwood table now. Definitely have to budget, but as me and my partner both DM games, this could be a value add.
Cheers, Ginny!
I'm in the same boat. Need a dining room table, and want to have a gaming table as well. Wanted to build one with a TV in it, but the more I use a vtt, the more I want to build a complicated multi-camera setup with minis and physical terrain to stream a remote/local game over Discord with my distance players. The MGT fits what I want fairly well.
Yes, yes, I DID drop one of the panels on my foot and broken the bone at the base of my big toe. I have a permanent dent in my foot now. However, it was ENTIRELY my fault, I wasn't paying attention to how close it was to the edge of the table and then went to pick it up without supporting it even. Corner landed on my foot and... ouch. But hey! I got a really cool mobility device out of it that I am now going to take to cons so I can just have a seat whenever I need one! :D
Living vicariously it is... I don't really have the space and I live in Europe, but if not for that I'd seriously consider buying one of those tables! They are just amazing to look at. Thank you for the comprehensive review!
Wow, that amazingly-regimented puzzle piece organization is impressive/distracting. Wait, was there supposed to be a table in here somewhere? 😀
With all due respect, you have a solid wenge heirloom quality table. Even without the gaming aspect, that should be treasured for generations. It made me sad to hear you say you may only have it for ten years or so. All those miner dings and scratches always add to the history and character of heirloom furniture. A bunch of relatively rare trees died for that table. Most average people just won’t have the spare money for something like that. If I had a table like that I’d wipe it with wood oil on a diaper every day, build a little alter to it, sacrifice inferior woods to it.
The dents, the paint/drink stains, and the scratches are the best parts the table I use for my gaming. It’s the memories of the games I’ve played with friends and in my opinion only, makes it worth more with more history attached. Thanks for review I was curious about the product. Cheers to many more games.
Just built my table I ordered a year ago. I watched this video before I ordered it and it helped me be prepared for what to expect. I found your review pretty accurate. I also was ready with extra storage for all the accessories so they’re not just sitting out. Lastly I got the box too for the panel holder and it’s sick. Thanks for this video it was helpful.
You would be surprised how many people my age threw out there grandparents solid hardwood furniture for some modern garbage that didn't last or just looks aged. When I was a kid I had a massive cherry desk with a rock slab top that weighed like 250 lbs. I wish I never got rid of it. I'm currently in the process of making a nice chessboard out of Alder but it's one of those projects I've started but probably will never finish. Lol
I backed the original Kickstarter in like October 2020 and still don’t have a table so I’m surprised to hear that there’s already a version 2 😅. Appreciate the honest review and transparency about pricing, but I wanted to add that we went with more budget friendly options for the wood and size and were unpleasantly surprised to find that shipping was going to cost us an additional $600. So make sure if you’re ordering that you account for extreme shipping costs, as knowing that would have kept us from purchasing.
O wow, I don't know what your original budget was, but I can imagine that that was quite a lot of extra money! That's unfortunate.
Decades ago I DM'ed an AD&D group, and every Wednesday, after school we would set up around the pool table in the basement to play. I remember appreciating rolling the dice on the felt, and that the rails that would keep the dice from ever falling off the table. So for me I am a supporter of the broad idea of a gaming table
"I have a pretty small house" - says the person with a table that's 2 feet longer than my entire dining room, not even factoring in chairs, and would barely fit in my living room.😆
Appreciate the review - but you should consider adding your "kids" tests. If a drink is spilled on the table does the drink run into the game area below? Wood stains from drinks not on coasters? Barbeque sauce? Does the gaming area survive cleaning? Can kids push off the topper accidentally? If a child hangs on the side of the table does the topper stay in place? You get the gist.
Not really on my list personally for what I’m reviewing for, but I’m sure folks at Wyrmwood can answer those types of questions ☺️
They did a couple of spill tests and other hardiness tests on their vlog. It's definitely not perfect, but it's reasonably good. Adding an additionally liquid-resistant tablecloth and their tablecloth clip system will probably help if drip-through is a frequent concern. Drinks and sauces don't seem to be a major concern, but coasters are probably still a good precaution to take. ruclips.net/video/fSDW_SPf8Ro/видео.html
They have some information in their video series but I can answer most of that. Drinks don't go down they have rubber gaskets tongue and grove that's held with magnets. The finish doesnt stain from water exposure and it's sealed from the sauce but you should use coasters to avoid scratches. The felt inside can be hand washed like any felt or replaced if ruined for a low cost. vacuuming also works for most things. Toppers are held on very well with each being tied together with a tongue and grove as well as four strong magnets that plus weight will be strong enough to stop most kids. and there is almost no overhang so not enough leverage for even an adult hanging off the end to move the toppers.
also its wood with a natural finish (thank god) so expect scratches from kids and pets. Most small scratches can be repaired with a wood finish restoration stick or just rubbing walnuts on it. (seriously)
I have one of these, too, and totally agree with everything you've said!
Couple misses I would add:
-They sold so many tables on that first kickstarter, it took them TWO YEARS to get me my table
-When the table arrived, it had several damaged parts, and we had to go through three different rounds of replacements
-But seriously, that finish is shockingly fragile, especially considering how much they advertised it as being indestructible early on
But two hits I'd add:
-For all the replacement rounds we went through, they had excellent customer service, and each round was as painless as it could be
-They're expensive tables, but, feature for feature, they're something like HALF the cost of comparable tables in this space. We spend thousands but saved thousands. Nothing else in the market came close to meeting the price
As an owner of probably the same table in cherry, can confirm every one of these.
The topper panels' weight is a consideration, but in cherry even my SO who also dumped str and dex is able to handle them. Wenge is just /dense/, and solid wood is solid.
The assembly...its solid wood except for the bottom of the vault, which is still sturdy plywood. So the table is heavy. I managed to assemble it by myself, but doing so includes flipping a 30-40kg frame, and moving a complete table in the ballpark of 50-60kg's. Before the toppers. 2-person, build on carpet/cloth, anything less is doing yourself a disservice.
Build quality is excellent. Standing on it is...honestly fine. It's one of the only pieces I'd feel comfortable holding my weight. I actually trust it more than I trust my aging chairs that I sit on every day. I wouldn't trust the interior vault for an adult's weight because it doesn't have that many screws holding it up...but it stood up perfectly fine to a 3 year old playing in it. Fitment (panels matching up flush) could be better, but as a woodworker, that's the cost of using actual wood. Also, a decade is probably an order of magnitude off. With a bit of care and a refinishing every few decades, this thing could easily live longer than me. The only thing stopping me from getting a second table is that I don't have a place for a 2nd table.
The finish is the worst part about the table; the only real miss. Under light use, it'll probably only last a decade before it looks bad. If you've got kids, maybe 3-4 years. It scratches so easily and it's noticeable even on cherry. Fortunately, it'll be easy to sand off and put a better finish on it when the time comes. That's the lovely thing about real wood furniture. When you eventually ruin the finish, you can re-finish it. (having refinished my parent's table twice with polyurethane as my brothers and I lived on it, I really do mean it's going to be easy to re-finish.)
Overall, I absolutely love it. If you're a table-top gamer, puzzler, quilter, or anything like that, and you're in the position to buy a piece of furniture that you plan on keeping for your entire lifetime, get it. The medium size is probably the nicest table that you can get at the $1200 price point; including the whole non-gaming table market. If you can handle assembly it's worth it for non-gamers. If you'll use the vault at all, it's a slam dunk.
When i built my house, i bought an oak Amish farmhouse table (stretches to seat 20), & 23 year later it remains a prized possession. You will probably love your Wyrmwood table for a lifetime.
I would have liked to hear more about how it works as gaming table. How do players manage their character sheets, do layers and GM have to get up out of their chairs more to access the game in the pit. Does this get annoying? What benefits have you found it has had in your games etc. There are many reviews on gaming tables out and they cover the table quality and basic features but not how using the table for said games has been. I would love to hear the Hit and miss list on gaming with the table.
Not mentioned but important: All the topper pieces fit together using strong "rare earth" magnets and have a rubber gasket on the inside of the tongue; combined, the tabletop when assembled is all but watertight, so even if you spill your felt is safe. And of course, this also means that the topper pieces stay tightly stuck to each other. The 2 "end" topper pieces ALSO have magnets in the bottom corner(s) that hold them down to the base of the table so that the entire assembled top does not shift out of place if bumped.
Also, expecting your real-wood furniture to never ding or scratch is unrealistic. Yes, it has a nice urethane finish baked onto it. It's still wood. It's going to "wear" over time, that's part of the charm of a long-lasting, real solid wood piece of furniture.
Source: My wife and I got our own table (Medium dining modular in Walnut) about 8 months ago.
While it's not looking likely that I'll ever own such a lovely table, I do appreciate update videos on things so thanks! A lot of people only tend to make a video after a year or so on a given product _only_ if there's something wrong. We need more product longevity videos on RUclips!
I've eyed tables of this sort for so dang long, ever since I saw the Sultan at PAX West in like, 09 or something. But then when I finally got a big house with room for a big sweet gaming table and space around it for chairs, my partner found a big sweet (but regular) dining room table at a furniture manufacturer going out of business (legit even) for like a hundred bucks. I couldn't pass that up.
Glad to see gaming table making still going strong!
This comment is to call out Wyrmwood, Wenge is critically endangered, and is on the IUCN red list. The people at Wyrmwood should know better. But that table looks rad, I might make a similar.
I'd definitely consider getting one if I had the spare money and enough room for it.
To add another miss to the table (for folks like me at least) : The legs are not adjustable. I don't mean you need to be able to turn a knob to raise or lower the height, but that the legs are set heights that cannot be swapped without tools/messing up your table. You CAN order the tables in 3 different heights (which I do love and does make them tempting), but I can't see any way to order extra legs for when you want to swap it out. I CAN do that with my existing cheapo IKEA setup and it's essential for our needs because we simply do not have space for a dinning room setup. For us, our "gaming/dining table" is just an extra big IKEA coffee table that fits into our L shaped sofa area nicely. If we need it at a different height (Like for Thanksgiving) we can just screw desk legs on instead. Also, those desk legs have feet that twist up or down which we desperately need with our old house's uneven floors but lack of those isn't a deal breaker for us.
Houses in my town are just too old and too small for me to invest any money into something that isn't EVERY purpose or at least made to easily pack away. Even our kitchen island folds away and can be rolled into a corner.
5K for a real wood, full dining table with leaf's, and a big gaming area with the charging options. Easily worth it. Even the starting table at 1K sounds like good deal if the quality = price.
Side note. As someone luckily enough to grow up with, and still own, very old antique furniture. Large gauges are just par for the course. It's called "character" 😅🤣
@@CaptainXJ It's only 5k if you spring for the really exotic wood. More standard woods like maple, walnut, cherry, etc. are closer to $3500.
I have a Medium Black Walnut from the first Kickstarter. Of all dumb expensive purchases i've made in my life and later regret, this table has to be the one that I do not believe i will EVER regret. 100% recommend.
If you don't regret it, it's not part "of all dumb expensive purchases [you've] made in [your] life and later regret" 😛
I quite like a few little dinks and dings on real wooden furniture that I've owned for a while. They tell the story of my time with the table.
As long as they don't ruin it functionally or are too noticeable, they add character. Maybe that's just me :)
If/when I get one of their gaming tables, it's staying in the family for generations. Wyrmwood do fantastic work.
The combo of professional Ginny face + very insistent cats at the end is very funny to me 😂
Small detail but that opening montage with the table was beautifully put together
I'm a current MGT owner and this is an accurate review. Overall I've been thrilled with the table for the price -- there are a lot more expensive gaming tables out there, but this is great quality for the price.
The scratches thing, you can try a walnut or other oily nut -- rub it against the scratches and you'll it'll make them less visible. I also recommend special oil based cleaners made for wood furniture. Like you, this is the nicest furniture I own, so I've had to learn all of this xD
The other nice thing about MGT is that since it's modular, if you get it scratched up, you can always replace parts years down the line. I plan to get a brand new topper one day, maybe in a nicer wood too if I can afford it by then.
The nice thing about real wood tables like that is that you can have the finish re-done. Also as a side note, tables like that likely will last 50 years or more when taken care of :) Loved the video!
Well, my oak dining table is almost 40 years old.
You can touch-up any bad enough scratches with Danish Oil (or the equivalent), as well.
I absolutely love my Wyrmwood modular table, and I sure as heck didn't get it for free. It's not just the nicest piece of furniture I own, it's a truly excellent tool for elevating my favorite hobby. I made a set of magnetic light bars that snap into the inner rails and the result is so dramatic! 10/10, worth every penny.
This is so cool! And with "switching from gaming to dining and back" you totally had me 😊 Dining and gaming as a group together is very important for me but it always causes a mess if it's done at the same table - this cool piece of furniture is the solution.
About scratches: wood and leather are "living" materials and I think it adds to their character if one sees they have some wear and tear (seeing the scratches my cat did on hardwood in my apartment still makes me smile because i remember how playful she was). Good thing: scratches in the finishing can be fixed.
I really love the looks of Wenge, but it is an endangered tropical species, so I personally would stay away from that (because of deforestation and very negative CO2 footprint of transportation).
I always dreamed of owning a gaming table. I finally got the chance when a friend was moving cross country and sold me his at a good price. Then COVID hit shortly after, so it's never been fully used the way I hoped to. But it's still ready.
A gaming table is an amazing piece of furniture once you are living in a place long term, this is house material, you don't want to move it ever again. It's also, like Ginny's the most expensive piece of furniture in my house, around the price of my first used car. But it is amazing, and it is useful if you game, ESPECIALLY if you own pets.
My permaculture teacher once told me that any piece of wooden furniture should last at least a long as the tree took to grow and I think that applies here too
Your grandkids are gonna be playing games on this table for yonks to come
Also great video as always
I've had my medium cherry table for a year now as well, and it's barely scratched - or if it is, it's hard to notice. If you've got the budget (do not go into debt for a table), I do recommend it. It's also easily the nicest piece of furniture I own.
I loved your "blooper" at the end with your cat meowing.
The maple is 1/3 the price and more worth it imo. I use mine in a dedicated game/hobby/office room and I expect to expire before it does. I was not happy waiting for over 2 years for it but it's a good table. I believe they are also working on a wall hanging solution for accessories which I am interested in.
Being able to safely store jigsaws earns my mother's approval.
Very impressive. Seriously cool to see how far these sort of tables have come on since my dad's days.
All the comparisons to IKEA are giving me flashbacks to the "your local IKEA showroom is full of mimics" game I once ran.
I've noticed your video quality lately has improved 100%. Everything looks very professional!! GG GD!!!
We have a different one (Carolina Game Tables!) so while accessories, etc., are different, I 100% on your general points. This one was less "Ikea", but we did have to put the legs on, etc., ourselves. It isn't wenge, but there is zero chance of me managing the lid panels (different size - I might be able to handle the ones like yours) on my own. And holy cow, yes, the (mostly) fine scratches on it - we've had it about a year and a half, and replaced our old dining table, so always in use.
For context on price - we paid ~$2500 for it in 2021 (prices were starting to go up then, but not where they are now). We did buy an "as is" table (ordered and not picked up, or convention tables, etc.), but the color and interior were what we liked. We have a friend that works in the furniture industry and we listed off the points about it (construction, finish, yadda yadda yadda), and she said our price was very reasonable for the quality we got. "But wait, there's more!" 😄 The addition of the removable top put it in the "wow, that's a good deal" category.
With mild caveats (and there are ways to find deals too - one reason we chose CGT is because we could pick it up ourselves, and not pay to have it shipped) I do not at all regret having gotten it, and will probably be leaving it to someone in my will.
I'm really glad to have your opinion on this, Ginny! I'm likely never going to get one myself (I have a beautiful table already that I got secondhand, even if it doesn't have as many bells and whistles), but it does really reinforce the quality of the Wyrmwood option (and makes me more likely to get some of the less-expensive products).
Awesome review!
I went with a dining gaming table from Carolina Game Tables. I like it, but because we have little ones in the house we took the option of getting a single topper because we were worried about kids spilling drinks with the topper on and the liquid finding its way into the gaps ans damaging the recessed felt play area,
Yeah, dont be like us folks.
A six by 4 foot Mahagony table topper is like... ridiculouly heavy, as in it takes two people to move it. I might eventually order the modular topper for my table.
Also a vinyl tablecloth works to prevent the very thing we were concerned about.
The table in gamer mode does have great cupholders though.
Still, we love our dining gaming table and do frequent rpg and board game nights on it. Not done any puzzles yet though.
My family has a beautiful dining table that we've had since the 70s. We pretty much stopped using it in the late 80s and it's just been a decoration piece ever since.
we just stopped eating after the 80s is how I read that 🤣
Could not help but laugh at the out take of the cat meowing, whenever I ring my mother her cat does the exact same! Our theory is that cat can hear a 2nd person's voice but does not understand where they are "hiding" so is voicing her confusion/concerns to human parent.
We were literally just talking about whether tables were worth it at No Games for Old Men! Thanks for this, it helps a lot!
As someone with both cats and a real wood table I'd really recommend the default state of the table as being protected with a felt or foam topper (check what is compatible with the finish) and a linen tablecloth. Misjudged jumps will happen.
I’m so glad I have access to a carpenters workshop that has tons of wood. This is a wonderful idea and is easy to replicate. 😃
Ginny,
Just be thankful your cat is sharing the song of it's people with you and your friends.
You have been blessed by cat.
My wife and I have been eyeballing these since the original kickstarter, but held off because of kids and pets at the time. We just pledged for the new wave of production and are very excited! Thank you for the review for those of us that are just now getting on board (or are thinking about it).
One concern I have for this design is with D&D. The players in my group all use notebooks (of various sizes) during the games, but it doesn't seem like there's anything more than a narrow ledge (~4 inches?) that they could use to support those notebooks when the table interior is exposed.
There’s an accessory called the player desk for this, if you players need a bunch of space!
@@GinnyDi though its worth mentioning its at least $150 each
Yeah, every piece is made of wood by a team of trained craftspeople - it’s all expensive. Whether or not the price is worth it is up to each person, it’s a luxury item.
They also have shelves so help mitigate the issue if you cant afford the player desks
My friends have a big table and they went for a game deck at the DM side, a game deck on the opposite side, and two player desks in the middle on either side. Works pretty well!
I still have my grandmother's dinging room table and I will be passing it on to one of my nieces or nephews when the time comes. I also have two very nice bedroom sets that belonged to my grandmother that are easily over 80 years old. GOOD wood furniture (real solid wood vs laminated particle board or even some plywood - although plywood is better than particle board) that is taken care of will last multiple lifetimes.
I already own the tables I need/want and I can't give them away just yet as the relatives that are just starting out in life are not at the point where they would have room for them, but I do have a couple of points about the review.
The toppers are heavy because they need to be. They stretch over a fair distance with no support in the middle. As you showed in your video, they can support your body weight, which means they need to be thick enough to do so. If they made the toppers lighter, they would sag or break when someone crawled on the table, or overloaded it with food for a holiday meal. I would say the weight is a hit, not a miss.
The finish scratching easily is an issue though. Especially as you are going to have people reaching over the sides to move their pieces around, dropping toppers on it, etc. That said, many times you can either do a spot refinish or just refinish the top and it will be just fine. However, just remember that it's a nice piece of furniture, so be sure you take care of it by cleaning it properly
Last - you never talked about the fit of the toppers. What happens WHEN someone spills their milk on the table? Will it drip down into your gaming area or do the toppers have rubber seals that would prevent this? How easy is it to clean the felt?
Nice review.
I know a couple of people with similar tables from a UK manufacturer, and the general concensus seems to be that they're great products & great for gaming, but exceedingly expensive -- so as good as they are at what they do, the value may be hard to justify; and I suspect it's similar for Wyrmwood. As mentioned the cheaper versions may be the right answer for many people, then it becomes a case of moving the curve to find the right utility, and the sunk cost -- the accessories make it easy to upgrade a given table, but the table itself is just what it is. So if possible anyone thinking about getting one should try and find a few examples to try out before they place an order, to ensure they know what the right sort of base table is for them.
LOVE my MGT! However, I think I'm going to be getting some player desks because with the vault open there's no place for players to put their stuff on the tiny rails. 😁
That would be my question, too, where do the players put their stuff like dice trays and such.
@@RijackiTorment there are rails on the outside and inside so you can put stuff all over but they offer player desks as an accessory that attaches to the rail to give each player a little space. Check out there videos or the customizer. there really is an option for everyone.
@@RijackiTorment if you jump on the wormwood site there are HEAPS of accessories.
@@RijackiTorment I have a gaming table from a different company and I run into the same problem. We usually leave the toppers on during a session because its just easier to set everyone's stuff on the flat surface. If I got a new table I'd want to make sure the rails are plenty wide enough for my player's things. The recessed playing area is great for things like jigsaw puzzles though!
@@RijackiTorment As MysticRick mentioned, player desks are the answer here, and specifically designed with D&D in mind. Though if those are too big for your playing style, they also have a smaller accessory this time called a Hobby Shelf. You can even put a Hobby Shelf on both the inside and outside to make a larger surface.
Almost $5k for a table - interesting coincidence that you would post it now. Next month I'll be spending exactly that much on a very different kind of table. It's made of metal and contains many accessories including a very sharp disk that spins very fast.
It'll be the centerpiece of my new workshop: the professional grade saw-stop cabinet saw with large crosscut sled.
Not at all expensive for the amount of use it'll get.
What about sensitivity to heat/hot pans and plates and how easy to clean is it, especially the little ridges between the panels?
they have gaskets between them so you don't have to worry about things leaking between too much and you can just take them off to clean. and just like with any peace of good wooden furniture use hot pads for pots and hot drinks, bowls, etc. This isn't a plastic table.
They did a video on it, can’t handle a thanksgiving turkey being placed on the table right out the oven. Water is no issue though.
Yeah, it's still raw wood with a baked-on urethane finish. You're going to want to use trivets or the equivalent for anything you take out of the oven. Or a tablecloth. If you slap something that just came out of a 450 degree oven directly onto the topper it's absolutely going to burn.
Content aside, I *so* feel that reaction to your cat. Mine particularly likes the acoustics in the bathtub, especially when I'm on a call for work.
Great review with some really good points. And the cat cameo was amusing. :D
I'm so glad you put the Meow subtitles on, I seriously thought it was my cat in the other room until I caught the text on the screen lol
I've had my 4'x6' Table of Ultimate Gaming for two and a half years now and love it. The quality of Wyrmword tables appears better, but mine was a fraction of the price. Plus I don't feel as bad cutting into my toppers to make a hole for a TV, as I no doubt wouldn't want to do this for a Wyrmwood. I would probably pledge to this Kickstarter if I didn't already have what I need.
The table looks cool as hell, but what I can't get over is how Ginny has the unattached puzzle pieces laid out like surgical tools
I can see how one could say the weight of Wyrmwood topper is a miss, but I would ask "compared to what?". I would take into account the Wyrmwood toppers vs many other solutions. Wyrmwood has good topper storage and also the design allows each section to be relatively small compared to some designs that require two people. When you look at the competition in the same price range, I think the Wyrmwood topper solution is a hit or at worst, neutral.
The answer's being going from "probably not" to "no" to "NO" to "NOOOOOO" the more Wyrmwood shits the bed.
Definitely a good review. I'm still going to live vicariously through somebody who has one.
Since the toppers are the pieces most likely to be scratched that'd make refinishing easier to DIY or cheaper to have done too though. Especially if you wanted to take that opportunity to make it sort of two-toned so that you don't have to worry about having an exact match to the stock finish. My aunt had a dining table with a leaf in the middle and she had that stained a darker color than the rest and it was really pretty.
I don't know that I'd worry about scratches tbh.
Just FYI, they do make "wood furniture markers" that you can use to cover up any scratches in wood furniture. They won't do anything about gouges or surface dings, but they'd make that scratch in the assembly video be less noticeable.
Trouble with eating on tables is, and I'm speaking from personal experience here, stuff WILL spill and hands will have residues on them. If one worries about these things and the papers and models underneath the boards, I highly recommend having some lightweight tablecloth to quickly put on and take off. Also napkins and/or wipes for the hands.
Well, you just cost me a lot of money miss, and I thank you for that!These tables are amazing. I may not always agree with what you say but I still enjoy listening to your opinions, keep up the good work and thank you for all you do.
Just as an internal joke, I recall an article that was complaining that Millennials and Gen Z weren't buying luxury items like jewelry or expensive cars and it was hurting the market. Well duh! They're spending their disposable cash on useful things like RPG accessories!
Seriously though, I think the younger generations would be much more happier proposing marriage with a table like this rather than an overpriced ring that De Beers dictates the value. I mean, my wife loved her engagement and wedding rings but couldn't wear them after the birth of our first child and the same went for me. I nice dining room table, however, can last a lifetime.
An awesome review, thank you Ginny!
Also, may I say that your hair looks lovely in this video? The bows are adorable!
(Im mostly commenting for the algorithms sake, just in case things aren't working out)
I love your videos so much! I got into DnD last year (what weird timing huh) and I always thought these tables were really cool.
For a fun little humor thing. Ill be honest: my mind thought that Bobby's last name was Wyrmwood. I somehow didn't read "Bobby from Wyrmwood"
For the scratches on the table, try rubbing a walnut into the scratch. The oil from the nut is absorbed into the wood and acts as a stain, which hides the scratch.
really weird question, but is the gaming part comfortable?
I guess what I’m confused by is what does the extra deeper layer add that a simple table-table wouldn’t accomplish? is it because it has felt, so it doesn’t get scratched when you play?
The deeper part makes it easier to keep parts for the games on the table, especially dice. If you roll dice in the deeper part, they’re not going to fly off the table. Also, if you’re playing an especially long game or building a puzzle, you can store it under the tabletop with your progress saved.
If I were to get me a gaming table, I'd likely build one myself together with my fiancée. She's a woodworking genius. That said, it's SO great to see these products being available for nerds like us these days. Only like ... 5-10 years ago, you basically had no options but to actually build your own.
That's totally my cat too. Every time I get on a Zoom call he's like, "you talking to me? You're talking to me right? I'm right here. WHY WON"T YOU ACKNOWLEDGE ME HUMAN?"
I watched this because I've been on the fence about getting a gaming table. Most certainly didn't expect the video to make my day in terms of that reaction face to the cat meows hahaha. As a voice artist and Dungeon master/cat parent myself, I related far too much. Gizmo looked so confused when I glared at him the death stare of "you know what I mean" xD
OK, this may seem like it came from nowhere, but.... I would love to see someone create a new version of this gaming table where I can open the felt area to reveal a TV underneath. This would allow me to use VTT when needed, play regular boardgames or puzzles with the felt layer on, or just dine and study with the regular tabletop
The weight / accessibility feedback is SUPER interesting. So often people completely overlook different perspectives.
If the top panels are reversible, I would recommend turning them over every now and again to limit the amount of warping that solid timber is known to do since I couldn't see any middle supports. Also as far as the scratches go, buy a good quality wax stick of the same color, melt in like a dripping candle, then you can gently scrape away any excess wax then buff it out with a clean cloth.
Wormwood has a video of them making the top panels. They are not made from a singular piece of wood but from a number of slats (I don't remember if it was 4 or 6) and half of the slats has the wood grain pointing down and the other half has them pointing up specifically to reduce the warping.
They aren’t reversible-the tops are beveled.
Not reversible. They're beveled pieces and the 2 endcap panels have magnets on the bottom to hold the entire assembled topper in place so it doesn't shift if someone bumps into the table.
*meow*: favorite part of the video!
Thanks for your review. I have my table, and it lives with the toppers off most the time (dedicated game room), and I'm glad to hear others have similar experiences and things to say. Now I need to go order a hobby vault to replace my game deck.