It's gonna be rough at the start but Maple is gonna slowly power creep it to the point it won't be a big deal. For example, Nodes used to be very scarce but now it's flooding every event. Levels used to be long but now you're practically starting at 260 and getting insane exp/booster events like this one. We're also getting 2 MPE clears weekly. I would imagine over time frags will slowly become more plentiful, even getting to clear High Mountain twice a week will eventually get your mules frags without sacrificing your main. If we go by today's standards then yes it'll be very hard to get a 20(!) minute HSeren mule, but in the future when we have Mastery 3 and 4, new Hexa Skills past origin, Hexa Stat 3+, and even the Legion Champion passive stats themselves, it won't be as bad. And finally, the permanent stats is for a single 20 minute clear. There will be opportunities to sweat the single clear for your mule, whether giving them event title, black heart, apples, or whatever stars you have to aligin to sweat the single clear. Once you do it, the system is dead/finished/cleared because you never have to reclear on that mule ever again. Then it'll be back to droning in town or wapping.
The change to 20 minutes is rough. I was thinking before that we didn't need to grind that many frags on our legion champions, but with this change I'm not so sure. What's your plan regarding frags/hexa?
After unlocking the 3rd and 4th mastery, Lumi can actually deal more damage as a 2-minute. Even now, there are certain situations where playing as a 2-minute results in higher damage output
The word 20, like just 2 0. Also, would Shade not qualify for the 1 min / weird section? We obvi have a bigger 2 min, but the 1 min burst (ab / overdrive / split / gate / multipunch) is pretty integral to our overall damage. Just a thought!
I think the next skills for the 6th job will greatly increase the burst dmg of the classes. They already made the system of putting all the buffs on the same button to free up space on the keyboard. But yes, Heroic needs some extra enhance powercreep to increase the server's damage (I don't know, Bonus Cube or Spell Trace would already help a lot). It will be extremely toxic to think about making 6 characters to solo HSeren/NKalos in 20 min. Mainly because our frags are not transferable by storage.
20. Please make a video of the problems of Heroic. Having only 20 minutes to clear definitely feels bad, but I will continue to stick with my legion champions (Adele, Ark, Illium, Khali, NL, Hero) because they are fun to play
I get that they want more horizontal content instead of vertical, but this is starting to feel like horizontal vertical content lol, its a bit too much, hopefully powercreep will make this something more reasonable in the future
I know I am nowhere near doing legion champions, though seeing this definitely makes me want to try other classes more than just doing them for legion. I have more than 20 characters, I know you need max characters, but it definitely is a grind
I'm a contrarian, I'll type twenty with LETTERS instead of numbers and you can't stop me Duky! Also, as someone how can't even solo Hard Lucid, this changes from 30 to 20 minutes are deeply upsetting! How will I ever recover from this? All jokes aside, this is supposed to be super hardcore endgame content, so it makes sense that I would be extra difficult. I don't think it's a big deal.
Why are ppl surprised by how hard this new system is? It’s suppose to be a long long process like legion. It’s not meant to be completed as soon as it comes out..
Because legion itself is already a terrible system that they are trying to make easier… This system takes 5-10x longer to complete than legion, and you get a lesser benefit. It’s terrible.
@@cjjohnson3925 Which is an exaggeration, because in 2 years, NKalos is likely to be significantly easier to solo. Game changes every 6 months, thus there are 4 6-month-cycles within 2 years. btw NKalos used to be CKalos, plus they buffed the cleanse timer. The proof is in the pudding.
20. A nice boost for peeps who do multiple cracked out mules but as someone with 35m cp on my main after 4 months of playing I'm not gonna complete this anytime soon lel
Factually speaking, this is an addition for the absolute minority. Most people aren't this far on one character, let alone multiple. Even among those at this point, that is a sizable commitment. That said, it does make sense for the bulk of the new content to be geared towards end game players. It is nice in that it is another power system and transitioning mains doesn't feel as bad with this. All in all, while I can't benefit any time soon, I still like the idea. If KMS wants to push out end game content while the Reboot team gets to focus on meaningful ways to retain players and get them to end game, everybody wins.
I feel 20min time limit is a really dumb game design, and it's not just about how much time is required to gear a class to do 20min hseren. To do a 30min clear you need to know the class and play the boss fight well, so at least you're rewarded for being good at a class. However the only way to clear bosses after BM (especially kalos) in 20min is to fund the class a shit ton, whether you have hands or not doesn't even matter so much. IMO it just feels like nexon wants to cater to reg server whales who have no hands but is willing to spend a ton of money. I really hope they will make some changes when introducing this in reboot.
I really don't like this direction maple is going, when I returned after a 5+ year break from kms it's slowly become "play whatever class you enjoy... but..." I understand this is for those that are pretty far into end game, but it just seems like another unneeded choke point in the game. Funding multiple accounts to become 20 minute seren/kalos mules doesn't seem fun to me idk.
Then dont do it? You are probably 1-5 years off maxed hexa depending on how much you play, which will always be a better use of your time. I never see actual endgame players complaining about this stuff, its just lvl 273 seasonal players that will probably get bored and quit before they ever interact with this system
@@momoaa You're right I probably won't outside of my main that's pushing 58k main stat, I don't think the game benefits from this system at all when reboot already has a myriad of issues that need to be addressed.
@@benjaminj8642 well a big complaint for a decent amount of players is that theres no real reason to push mules past lomien. They have been working on things to fix this, primarily boss crystal price adjustment. This change adresses that for everyone who is bored of being forced to play their main, while letting everyone (except hyper lategame 290+ maxed hexa players) entirely opt out of the system. Complaining about a feature that makes the game a lot better for a lot of players that arent you comes off kinda bad, especially when its nexon kms dev time getting used on this while nexon NA dev time is the resource used for improving reboot, generally.
@@vernaute2803 If were talking about illusions, lets focus on the illusion that you NEED to minmax every ounce of damage the game has to offer, that you NEED to kill every boss on release. Do you realize how idiotic it comes across as, to complain about the videogame you play adding new content for endgame players that have already completed the current wave of content (6th job)? If you are playing a game that is "forcing" you to do things you dont want to do, play the game differently. If its impossible to play the game without doing those things (hint: in this case, its entirely possible), its time to find something new to occupy your time. Quit with the negativity, you jaded whiney baby
Unless you are full double primed, max hexa, pushing 23* items, 90+ boss fams… this system is not made for you. Honestly, if you play in reboot. This system wasn’t made for you. It’s just a cash grab from reg servers so they have to buy more cubes.
Lmao that’s just cap bro, my 2nd main isn’t even 150 cp, unlibbed and no boss fams and can solo hseren comfortably. Hlomien is the end game boss for people like you
@ I am hard stuck at ckalos/nkaling currently. But I’ll bet your entire account that your 150m cp unlibbed no boss fams character is not soloing hseren in 20mins. That was cute tho
@@cjjohnson3925 yeah it takes a good 26mins to solo, and once I lib and 3rd and 4th masteries release I will be able to. A few years ago bm was an end game boss and now you can pug it after a few weeks of playing, so if you think hseren and nkalos are gonna require the same amount of time and resources in a year or 2 from now as today then your just delusional.
Aren’t we all “RNG” gated? Because some of these would require 22* gear and maybe even some pitched items, but a lot of people (including myself) don’t even see them.
It's gonna be rough at the start but Maple is gonna slowly power creep it to the point it won't be a big deal. For example, Nodes used to be very scarce but now it's flooding every event. Levels used to be long but now you're practically starting at 260 and getting insane exp/booster events like this one. We're also getting 2 MPE clears weekly. I would imagine over time frags will slowly become more plentiful, even getting to clear High Mountain twice a week will eventually get your mules frags without sacrificing your main.
If we go by today's standards then yes it'll be very hard to get a 20(!) minute HSeren mule, but in the future when we have Mastery 3 and 4, new Hexa Skills past origin, Hexa Stat 3+, and even the Legion Champion passive stats themselves, it won't be as bad.
And finally, the permanent stats is for a single 20 minute clear. There will be opportunities to sweat the single clear for your mule, whether giving them event title, black heart, apples, or whatever stars you have to aligin to sweat the single clear. Once you do it, the system is dead/finished/cleared because you never have to reclear on that mule ever again. Then it'll be back to droning in town or wapping.
The change to 20 minutes is rough. I was thinking before that we didn't need to grind that many frags on our legion champions, but with this change I'm not so sure. What's your plan regarding frags/hexa?
Gonna herb tf out
After unlocking the 3rd and 4th mastery, Lumi can actually deal more damage as a 2-minute.
Even now, there are certain situations where playing as a 2-minute results in higher damage output
Shoutout moonbubee for pioneering this 2min lumi tech
The word 20, like just 2 0.
Also, would Shade not qualify for the 1 min / weird section? We obvi have a bigger 2 min, but the 1 min burst (ab / overdrive / split / gate / multipunch) is pretty integral to our overall damage. Just a thought!
Yea
I think the next skills for the 6th job will greatly increase the burst dmg of the classes. They already made the system of putting all the buffs on the same button to free up space on the keyboard. But yes, Heroic needs some extra enhance powercreep to increase the server's damage (I don't know, Bonus Cube or Spell Trace would already help a lot). It will be extremely toxic to think about making 6 characters to solo HSeren/NKalos in 20 min. Mainly because our frags are not transferable by storage.
20. Please make a video of the problems of Heroic. Having only 20 minutes to clear definitely feels bad, but I will continue to stick with my legion champions (Adele, Ark, Illium, Khali, NL, Hero) because they are fun to play
I get that they want more horizontal content instead of vertical, but this is starting to feel like horizontal vertical content lol, its a bit too much, hopefully powercreep will make this something more reasonable in the future
if u think nexon doing this system for players and not only to sell cube ur delusional
5:53 sorry what class is BA, or you mean DA (Demon Avenger)
BA = battle analysis, he meant his hayato was doing more dmg than the DW on the same party
I know I am nowhere near doing legion champions, though seeing this definitely makes me want to try other classes more than just doing them for legion. I have more than 20 characters, I know you need max characters, but it definitely is a grind
I like this legion champion system. Gives end gamers something to do, and newer/casual players can play catch up with their main.
Looks like 200 mil CP would maybe get you a B-A evaluation on this system…..man the powerful ones are just getting more powerful.
Class tierlist based on the prettiest vfx when?
I'm a contrarian, I'll type twenty with LETTERS instead of numbers and you can't stop me Duky!
Also, as someone how can't even solo Hard Lucid, this changes from 30 to 20 minutes are deeply upsetting! How will I ever recover from this?
All jokes aside, this is supposed to be super hardcore endgame content, so it makes sense that I would be extra difficult. I don't think it's a big deal.
Why are ppl surprised by how hard this new system is? It’s suppose to be a long long process like legion. It’s not meant to be completed as soon as it comes out..
Yup
Because legion itself is already a terrible system that they are trying to make easier…
This system takes 5-10x longer to complete than legion, and you get a lesser benefit. It’s terrible.
That means 10 years?
@ playing 2 hours per day, it would take you about 2 years to get ONE character to solo NKalos. So to get 5 mules NKalos ready? Yes, approx 10 years.
@@cjjohnson3925 Which is an exaggeration, because in 2 years, NKalos is likely to be significantly easier to solo. Game changes every 6 months, thus there are 4 6-month-cycles within 2 years.
btw NKalos used to be CKalos, plus they buffed the cleanse timer. The proof is in the pudding.
love that people need to focus on main mule roles i hated idea of legion waste of time but these main legion classe are legit good upgradess
20. A nice boost for peeps who do multiple cracked out mules but as someone with 35m cp on my main after 4 months of playing I'm not gonna complete this anytime soon lel
Factually speaking, this is an addition for the absolute minority. Most people aren't this far on one character, let alone multiple. Even among those at this point, that is a sizable commitment.
That said, it does make sense for the bulk of the new content to be geared towards end game players. It is nice in that it is another power system and transitioning mains doesn't feel as bad with this. All in all, while I can't benefit any time soon, I still like the idea. If KMS wants to push out end game content while the Reboot team gets to focus on meaningful ways to retain players and get them to end game, everybody wins.
Yeah, my plan to do 5 pathfinders legion champion just got threw out of the window
no work the same class
This is the BGM from COREKEEPER right... love it😊
I feel 20min time limit is a really dumb game design, and it's not just about how much time is required to gear a class to do 20min hseren. To do a 30min clear you need to know the class and play the boss fight well, so at least you're rewarded for being good at a class. However the only way to clear bosses after BM (especially kalos) in 20min is to fund the class a shit ton, whether you have hands or not doesn't even matter so much.
IMO it just feels like nexon wants to cater to reg server whales who have no hands but is willing to spend a ton of money. I really hope they will make some changes when introducing this in reboot.
As a FP, AB, CM, and Shade enthusiast, this news is fine by me
Champion mode means reduced hp also? Might not be horribly difficult
Give us our FD back!!!
I really don't like this direction maple is going, when I returned after a 5+ year break from kms it's slowly become "play whatever class you enjoy... but..." I understand this is for those that are pretty far into end game, but it just seems like another unneeded choke point in the game. Funding multiple accounts to become 20 minute seren/kalos mules doesn't seem fun to me idk.
Then dont do it? You are probably 1-5 years off maxed hexa depending on how much you play, which will always be a better use of your time. I never see actual endgame players complaining about this stuff, its just lvl 273 seasonal players that will probably get bored and quit before they ever interact with this system
@@momoaa You're right I probably won't outside of my main that's pushing 58k main stat, I don't think the game benefits from this system at all when reboot already has a myriad of issues that need to be addressed.
@@benjaminj8642 well a big complaint for a decent amount of players is that theres no real reason to push mules past lomien. They have been working on things to fix this, primarily boss crystal price adjustment. This change adresses that for everyone who is bored of being forced to play their main, while letting everyone (except hyper lategame 290+ maxed hexa players) entirely opt out of the system.
Complaining about a feature that makes the game a lot better for a lot of players that arent you comes off kinda bad, especially when its nexon kms dev time getting used on this while nexon NA dev time is the resource used for improving reboot, generally.
@@momoaa the illusion of choice
@@vernaute2803 If were talking about illusions, lets focus on the illusion that you NEED to minmax every ounce of damage the game has to offer, that you NEED to kill every boss on release. Do you realize how idiotic it comes across as, to complain about the videogame you play adding new content for endgame players that have already completed the current wave of content (6th job)? If you are playing a game that is "forcing" you to do things you dont want to do, play the game differently. If its impossible to play the game without doing those things (hint: in this case, its entirely possible), its time to find something new to occupy your time. Quit with the negativity, you jaded whiney baby
hey duky. kinesis is a 1minute class.
O ok
MM BM WA AB Pally (dont ask) and Bucc.. seems decent
I just want pq honestly something like ludi maze pq or carnival
CHILLS
hah, as someone returning after like a 20 year hiatus and relearning the game, and having absolutely no legion, this is gonna suck ass xD
I just did the same 2 weeks ago brotha…
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Duky what’s your opinion on if they had Bonus Pot to heroic?
Fk it why not, I don’t think it’s immediately necessary tho
I wish I was 20 again.
I'ma take this opportunity to say 420. F3.
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thanks duky
Unless you are full double primed, max hexa, pushing 23* items, 90+ boss fams… this system is not made for you.
Honestly, if you play in reboot. This system wasn’t made for you. It’s just a cash grab from reg servers so they have to buy more cubes.
Lmao that’s just cap bro, my 2nd main isn’t even 150 cp, unlibbed and no boss fams and can solo hseren comfortably. Hlomien is the end game boss for people like you
@ I am hard stuck at ckalos/nkaling currently. But I’ll bet your entire account that your 150m cp unlibbed no boss fams character is not soloing hseren in 20mins. That was cute tho
@@cjjohnson3925 yeah it takes a good 26mins to solo, and once I lib and 3rd and 4th masteries release I will be able to. A few years ago bm was an end game boss and now you can pug it after a few weeks of playing, so if you think hseren and nkalos are gonna require the same amount of time and resources in a year or 2 from now as today then your just delusional.
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my legion champs are mostly 3 min classes but idc i wil suffer.
Just buff both reg and reboot tbh. My char in reg can not even one shot at cernium despite having 2x sacred force and maxed out nodes
NW is weak burst???
No?
Aren’t we all “RNG” gated? Because some of these would require 22* gear and maybe even some pitched items, but a lot of people (including myself) don’t even see them.
Chills
You already know I rep the 20 :3
Veinte(20) that’s a Mexican twenty fooor you my friend.
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so basically the system that was already a pain in the @ss will be even worse than we tougth. Got it.
They want us to solo kalos normal in 20 minutes lmao
Feel like most people can’t even solo hard lotus
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