One way to think about it is that Venusaur is better for a normal playthrough with a balanced team due to its early game advantages whereas Blastoise is better for a solo run due to its more consistent performance throughout the game(s). Therefore most people would get more mileage out of the Venusaur line because by the time it actually starts to struggle, you’ll more than likely have other team members to help with its weaknesses. They’re all great though, and even though Charizard struggles a lot it could be worse. Just remember Meganium’s gym matchups in Johto
Minor Correction: Levitate is not Gengar's Hidden Ability. It was its only ability in generations 3-6, and then they nerfed it by giving it Cursed Body instead. So in FRLG, the Gengars cannot be hit by Earthquake.
i can sense all the genwunner’s grabbing their pitchforks and lining outside the door bc charizard is *cooked* in kanto, and they won’t let that happen to their baby.
One problem I have with the list is that you left out all of the rival fights but the champion battle but it's one of the most important things especially if you choose Squirtle because that means the rival get bulbasaur and they love to spam sleep powder in the mid game which drops Squirtle from the top imo (not that I've done the scores for all of the rival fights) And also you've also got to consider that your starter is most important in the early game because the further into the game you get the more pokemon you can get to cover your teams holes, including if your really want to, the legendary birds and moltres (In RBY) is found in victory road so you wouldn't even have to go out of your way to get a more powerful fire/Flying type than Charizard
I would appreciate it if more Pokémon regions would have their gym order reflect a weakness chain. Brock's Rock types are weak to Water. Misty's Water loses to Surge. Surge's Electrics are resisted by Erika. Erika's Grass types get beat by Koga (especially Tangela). Koga gets shredded by Sabrina. Bonus points to Sabrina for also beating the Fighting Dojo. Blaine's Fire.... uh... well, he's next. Giovanni's Ground crushes Blaine. Lorelei's Ice handles Gio's Ground types. Bruno's Fighting has an advantage over Ice, though I would pick Lorelei over the double Onix. Agatha's Ghosts are immune to Fighting. Dragons are strong. A balanced team can handle anything.
3:02 it's worth noting in FireRed and leaf green, Charmander can learn metal claw, which is super effective and honestly makes the fight a breeze. 3:21 in every generation that Bulbasaur and squirtle are starters, their type of moves are special, not just gen 1. 3:50 Starmie IS a psychic type, and, regardless of generation, her starmie doesn't have psychic moves for this gym. Except in LGPE and it's psywave, a move that cannot be super effective no matter what. It doesn't even have psychic moves in gold, silver, and crystal. 5:34 I feel like this is important information for the LT. Surge fight. Especially in gen 1 where dig has higher power. Using the same logic for your ranking for this gym, shouldn't Squirtle be ranked higher than Charmander in the last gym when Charmander is both not super effective and not resistant? 9:15 Charizard has earthquake, which is at least super effective against 4 of the pokemon you mention here. That, in addition to immunity to their moveset would make Charizard really good in this fight. I'll add anything further in the first comment.
11:30 Charizard doesn't learn any flying type moves in the gen 1 games that he's a starter in. It's also important to note that thunder punch and ice punch are both special moves, meaning, despite ice punch being good against Venusaur, and thunder punch good against Blastoise, Venusaur would be more likely to tank a hit. In addition, with gen 1 ai, they always choose the super effective hit, so, the fighting resistance wouldn't likely effect things. 13:15 someone else mentioned it but, levitate is not it's hidden ability. Additionally, no kanto games, including LGPE, have had hidden abilities. Also, Bulbapedias page for Agatha mentions the abilities of all of her pokemon where applicable. 14:45 Blues name stays consistent between games. His name is Green in Japan. This is especially important to note as FRLG introduces Leaf, a character who is based off the manga character that we know as Green. Whose name was Blue in Japan. (Green, the manga character, also makes a canonical appearance in LGPE and in Masters EX, I believe they confirm that Green and Leaf are two different characters).
I'm gonna correct you on your point on Squirtle being ranked higher than Charmander, mainly because both of those mons learn Dig by TM so I feel the rankings are fair for that. The rest of your points are solid though.
@@jojosiwa6608no yeah, you're right. I think, I may have just been a little confused, given when dig was mentioned. But I feel like there's still a split here. In gen 1, since Charmander gets dig, you could argue it's better for the LT surge, especially given it's power. In gen 3, you may be able to argue Bulbasaurs better, since it can learn dig. But squirtle probably stays the same. That said, I think putting squirtle as #1 for Erika is a huge mistake. Also, I think it's just really odd that he mentioned dig an entire gym after it would've been incredibly relevant, especially when it's pretty much a required tm to get.
@@fishmrinc blame water-types being ice-type move mooches but yeah, i feel like charmeleon should be #1 given it's like, both super-effective and resistant against Erika's grass-types. Also, I'm not sure if Ivysaur also gets Dig, but either way, for Lt. Surge, Ivysaur gets #1 purely cuz of Electric resist than Charmeleon cuz it needs to consume a one-time TM to do super-effective damage to him.
Thats the problem with taking movesets into account. Its especially unfair to the Grass starter, because Water and Fire generally get the better movesets offensively, since Grass is supposed to the defensive typing in the starter triangle, with Fire generally being the neutral typing and Water offensively (Due to moveset). Heck... Bulbasaur cannot even learn any offensive Poison type moves until generation 3 and even then Sludge Bomb is a TM move that is post-game. If it could learn Sludge Bomb in gen 1 via TM/Level up... it would be instantly outclass Blastoise because then it it is the best to deal with Erika (But Sludge Bomb isn't even introduced until gen 2). Like for example in gen 3, Sceptile is a menace because we don't have the phyiscal/special split... while in ORAS gen 6 games, Sceptile is arguably the worse because of the physical/special split and it mainly being a physical attack moveset wise, while its offensive stat is special. Its for the Kalos games as well.. Greninja is always getting praise for it being the best starter in Kalos, while this is actually not the case looking at the type specialists (Delphox reigns supreme then), but then looking at movesets, it makes Greninja better than it actually is, because again, its water typing giving it acces to Ice Beam coverage to deal with Grass types, while Delphox doesn't get the coverage to deal with Water weakness, because Solar Beam is a 2 turn move.
@paulmcf1115 Pikachu gets trashed by Misty, and Charmander is a starter. I guess I was thinking more from a nuzlocking perspective, where you have limited encounters. Still my point still stands. Your starter is one of the few high-BST pokemon with good moves that you get early game
@gonnagiveyouup8163 If your Pikachu gets "trashed" by Misty, that's your problem. Mine didn't, and in fact it swept her. Also, Spearow and Oddish are good Pokemon, considering BOTH of them can whoop Misty if trained well. So, no your point doesn't have anything to stand on.
@@paulmcf1115 Mankey shouldn't be taken into consideration either way, because its a version exclusive. Either way, Erika isn't early game anymore, because at that point in the game, you have so many counters for her Pokemon besides Charmander (Pidgeotto, Fearow, Vulpix/Growlithe). Heck, even Surge isn't really early game anymore either, looking at the counters. Sandshrew (Which shouldn't count if Mankey doesn't, because Version Exclusive) Geodude/Graveler Onix Diglett/Dugtrio.
A quick note on Gen 1. In Red and Blue especially the AI was very broken leading to Erica and Koga seeing the Bulbasaur line’s grass type and prioritizing poison moves that are ineffective like poison powder and toxic. The same thing happens to the psychic moves on Lance’s team. Venusaur is by far the easiest starter to use, even if it is slower than Blastoise for speed runs.
13:20 Gengar had levitate ONLY till gen 6 or 7. I think 6. I dont know why it says that since hidden ability that wasn't a thing till gen 5. Gengar never got a Hidden Ability. Regardless you have the right correction
I say heres something that could be done for next time Include the rival and evil team fights as they hold signifigance for the progression of the game Otherwise good video
I saw a leak for gen 9 starter final evos once that was the gen 9 starters but actually good they looked alike similar body shapes but the designs were amazing
I feel like your forgetting that in gen 1 Charizard has access to source sales and services Venusaur and blastoise access to withdraw which activates the badge glitch, which makes it stronger
Honestly, the starter having advantages over gym leaders really only matters until Lt.Surge (Misty is the real wall), because after that you have enough Pokémon variance to try and force your way through each gym ( for instance, how i play is essentially making a new team for each gym ); so the real question is how each of them helps you in a general way: movement , generalist team for Rival , Rocket hideout/Sylph Co. so Charizard just gets you stuck in the caves . Both Squirtle line and Bulba line solo the caves so both are great for general movement; for Team Rocket , Venusaur just absolutely tanks all the trainers even the Scientists with electric/steel Pokémon while Blastoise might have some issues but both destroy Giovanni all three times; for Rival matches even if grass is ass.. Venusaur still can tank much better with Leech Seed and Giga Absorption . So imho Venusaur line just makes things slightly better in a general way not just for gyms ( and honestly you don’t really have to use any of them for E4)
My only gripe with your scoring method, is that you award the same amount of points for all the fights. In the early game, you have less team options, so your starter is going to be more important. While at the elite four, you should have a full team to cover what your starter can’t. I don’t really know how to fix that, but wanted to bring it up.
I want to start by saying that I like the idea for this series, and that I enjoyed this video. However, I feel like there's one glaring thing not being accounted for here--the actual mechanics of the overall game. While you take typing of moves into account, seemingly insignificant things like Razor Leaf having a high crit rate in RBY actually makes a huge difference in those games, as shown in X-mon only runs from the likes of Jrose. This doesn't just apply to moves--things like Brock's Geodude and Onix having such low Sp.Def means that beating him with a Charmander isn't actually all that difficult (it should still obviously be in last for that gym, but still). While not a huge difference in the Gen 1 games, it might make a much larger difference in later gens, where both the problems to solve and the moves available will be much wider. You have Venasaur in last place for the Champion battle because of Pigeot, but Pigeot sucks and is actually super easy for Venasaur to beat with a neutrally powerful move like Body Slam. I think the Pigeot is still using Wing Attack, which is a base 35 move in a final battle??? Venasaur shouldn't have much issue, even at a type advantage at this point. Meanwhile, Blastoise gets a lategame edge against Alakazam because it gets Bite, when Alakazam has bad Defense and pretty much every starter has access to at least one decently powerful neutral physical attack, meaning Speed is a larger determining factor here than type matchup. A lot of this video boils down to "know your type matchups!" which is far from the only consideration if you're ranking a Pokemon's ability to get through various skill checks throughout the games. I don't have any specific advice on that front--it'd be nigh impossible to account for every single possibility, but I just feel like it's possible to dig much deeper into this topic, which would have a much more satisfying conclusion.
Your toast leaning inward sprite mouth agape interesting in what your saying. The mouth shape really works for some reason. Anyway first time viewer. I like your Toast sprites
So.... the problem with taking movesets into account, is that this is really unfair to the Grass starter in general, because Water and Fire usually get better acces to better movepools and better TMs, due to their typings. Its especially obvious for Bulbasaur early on, since it didn't even get Sludge Bomb until generation 3 (And even then it could only learn it via TM, which was Post-Game as well). Its for this reason as well, that the Grass type (If we take also into account movesets), most of the time perform the worst in their respective regions, especially in the later regions and after the physical/special split, since Grass is not supposed to be an offensive, but a defensive typing.
Ok but you also have to keep in mind the availability of these types when it comes to the games with fire being the least available and water being the most but if you are just going through the game with your starter then yes your ranking would be correct
note that squirtle learns it's first damaging special move before bulbasaur so it can beat brock earlier and faster. Bubble has 15 less power, but vine whip for some god forsaken reason has 10 pp compared to bubble's 30 pp. Why did they make vine whip this bad? I don't know.
You see, Venusaur is the correct choice (in my opinion) Because he is the best grass type in Kanto, where as Arcanine is the best fire type and gyarados is the best water type so choosing either of the other starters brings an opportunity cost that picking Venusaur doesnt, unless you wanna use nidoking and dont want 2 poison types which fair
I feel like your forgetting that in gen 1 Charizard has access to swords dance sales and Venusaur gets that two and blastoise access to withdraw which activates the badge glitch, which makes it stronger but that’s only gen 1 because SD is now a post game thing I think
As someone who has played kanto 150+ times. Squirtle feels very well rounded never feels like an ace. Jack of all trades master of none. Kanto has many better water types but many appear late. Bulbasaur has strong start in important battles struggles a little against Random trainers Has a mediocre mid game post Surge. But levels up well. Takes awhile to get good offensive moves. Charizard is the best against random trainers and Late Game. Espesically since he gets swords Dance. Fly (Yellow onward)/Body Slam and Earthquake he sweeps pretty well and has good offensive spread. Struggles a bit in early important matches. Takes a while to get good moves.
"You would never have to beat the game with just a Blastoise". Me and my power-levelled Charizard would like to have word with you. What? No, of course I am able to catch any pokemon after the fourth gym because I'm not one-shotting any wild pokemon I come across, why would you ask that?
Ain't no chance it's not Venusaur. Sure, Squirtle is best for speedrunning, and Charizard is the actual mascot of the franchise, but Venusaur is the biggest, derpiest, weirdly fast boy, (though not in Gen1, no Chlorophyll ability yet).
i agree with almost everything, except for the lance part. there i could argue that charizard is better in gen 3, because of the dragon claw. while charizard is weak to 2 out of the 5 pokemon of lance, venasaur cant posibly touch anything for super effective dmg, yeah, while venusaur has almost every neutral interaction, charizard can give super effective to both dragonair and the dragonite
few issues here. for one... super effective isn't everything. super effective bite's 120 power. stab surf/flamethrower? 135. so bite doesn't do anything of value presuming their stabs are not resisted to the psychic types. second, erika is interesting as blastoise becomes kinda a glass cannon, using ice beam but being weak to ice, venu LOOKS bad but in gen 1 she will only use poison powder due to the ai which makes venu just spam body slam. zard only has ember which is a pitiful 40 power so stab is 60 and super effective is 120 but it also hits into their better special stat while body slam on venu while lesser in power hits into their far worse phys def so it's still not bad. zard also can get para'd and wrapped out so it's something to keep in mind. also zard can have dig for agatha which obliterates her ghosts in gen 1 but is worthless gen 3, though they have worse special gen 1 so just use flamethrower (remember non stab bite is weaker than stab surf/flamethrower so it doesn't matter if they have bite). interestingly in gen 1 venu also has that bug work in its favor vs lance who most of his mons spam agility against so in practice it's unloseable while zard does awful and blast does probably the best in that it kills most of em other than gyara way faster. also zard can get dig too which helps it a lot in some things like lt surge offensively though he won't res electric. it's something to keep in mind. also submission is awful and it'll do lots of recoil to blast vs lorelei so it's more blastoise will have a war of attrition or try to submission and ko itself on its high recoil.
It's easily Bulbasaur imo. Grass/Poison is good against a lot of major battles and Blastoise is not as vital to a team as Venusaur or Charizard (even though Charizard kind of sucks in Kanto) in the long run as there are much more good water-type options in the region than there are for grass-types and fire-types.
I normally just pick Venasaur. Not only is he my favorite but he's just the best Grass Type in the game imo with Exeggutor being the only real competition. Why pick Blastoise when you have access to Gyarados and Lapras who are two of the best Pokemon in the game? Charizard is decent after the early game but by that point you probably already have the Pokemon you need to supplement a lack of Fire type. 1. Venasaur 2. Nidoking/Clefable 3. Kadabra/Alakazam 4. Snorlax 5. Lapras/Gyarados 6. Magneton/Electabuzz
Genwunner here, although Charmander is my favourite Fire type Pokemon, the best choice is clearly Squirtle. Squirtle and Wartortle tank most trainers and gyms other than Surge & Erika, if taught dig, mows through Team Rocket Silph Co with poison types. Blastoise is best Water Pokemon in Kanto and if taught Ice Beam.. Come at me, Lance. I like Bulbsaur & Ivysaur, but later in the game, Poison & Grass is just weak to too many sp atracks; Ground, Flying, Fire, Psychic and Ice. Side note, Mudkip line is the True Best Water Starter. Come @ me in the comments 😂 😂
Best Pokemon for a play through of the starters... sure. But best starter... Pokemon to start the game with... bulbasaur because of the first three gyms then you should have more Pokemon later.
While yes the argument is more about starters. This isn't taking in to account catching pokemon. Vaporeon,starmie and slowbro can all more or less do blastoises job. Charizard or arcanine are fine fire types. And Venasaur is debatably the best grass type in kanto
Blastoise shud get the number 1 spot against loreli... yea venasaur might be able to learn a move to give loreli a run for her money against ONE of her pokemon... blastoise can do the same while also resisting all water and ice moves
Of COURSE Charmander will have a "harder time" with some of the Gyms, you're meant to catch other Pokémon to cover his weaknesses. You bring this up at the end, but make the premise of your argument "imma put mah starter against the gyms and see what happens". With that logic, NO ONE should pick Charmander, because he can't sweep the gyms. Is that how ya'll play this game now? 😂
In the future while being able to account for every trainer and the variability of each Pokemon's IVs/EVs is nigh impossible, there are some more important battles to include going forward. All of the Rival fights (even if some of them are optional) the Evil Team boss(es), and other notable trainers from future titles. Also to make a request, I would be interested in seeing you do this with Coloseum in the future with the Johto Starters you get in that game and the Eevee choice in XD. Coloseum and XD are essentially challenge runs with the limited Pokemon and are the hardest official Pokemon RPGs. Aka they are just Fire Emblem games made by former Dragon Quest developers.
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One way to think about it is that Venusaur is better for a normal playthrough with a balanced team due to its early game advantages whereas Blastoise is better for a solo run due to its more consistent performance throughout the game(s). Therefore most people would get more mileage out of the Venusaur line because by the time it actually starts to struggle, you’ll more than likely have other team members to help with its weaknesses. They’re all great though, and even though Charizard struggles a lot it could be worse. Just remember Meganium’s gym matchups in Johto
Minor Correction: Levitate is not Gengar's Hidden Ability. It was its only ability in generations 3-6, and then they nerfed it by giving it Cursed Body instead. So in FRLG, the Gengars cannot be hit by Earthquake.
Ah! I knew something was up there. Thank you for the insight!
i can sense all the genwunner’s grabbing their pitchforks and lining outside the door bc charizard is *cooked* in kanto, and they won’t let that happen to their baby.
Charizard sweeps
@@paulmcf1115No, he doesn't. Why do NPC'S always have the dumbest phrases?
One problem I have with the list is that you left out all of the rival fights but the champion battle but it's one of the most important things especially if you choose Squirtle because that means the rival get bulbasaur and they love to spam sleep powder in the mid game which drops Squirtle from the top imo (not that I've done the scores for all of the rival fights)
And also you've also got to consider that your starter is most important in the early game because the further into the game you get the more pokemon you can get to cover your teams holes, including if your really want to, the legendary birds and moltres (In RBY) is found in victory road so you wouldn't even have to go out of your way to get a more powerful fire/Flying type than Charizard
I would appreciate it if more Pokémon regions would have their gym order reflect a weakness chain.
Brock's Rock types are weak to Water.
Misty's Water loses to Surge.
Surge's Electrics are resisted by Erika.
Erika's Grass types get beat by Koga (especially Tangela).
Koga gets shredded by Sabrina. Bonus points to Sabrina for also beating the Fighting Dojo.
Blaine's Fire.... uh... well, he's next.
Giovanni's Ground crushes Blaine.
Lorelei's Ice handles Gio's Ground types.
Bruno's Fighting has an advantage over Ice, though I would pick Lorelei over the double Onix.
Agatha's Ghosts are immune to Fighting.
Dragons are strong.
A balanced team can handle anything.
3:02 it's worth noting in FireRed and leaf green, Charmander can learn metal claw, which is super effective and honestly makes the fight a breeze.
3:21 in every generation that Bulbasaur and squirtle are starters, their type of moves are special, not just gen 1.
3:50 Starmie IS a psychic type, and, regardless of generation, her starmie doesn't have psychic moves for this gym. Except in LGPE and it's psywave, a move that cannot be super effective no matter what. It doesn't even have psychic moves in gold, silver, and crystal.
5:34 I feel like this is important information for the LT. Surge fight. Especially in gen 1 where dig has higher power. Using the same logic for your ranking for this gym, shouldn't Squirtle be ranked higher than Charmander in the last gym when Charmander is both not super effective and not resistant?
9:15 Charizard has earthquake, which is at least super effective against 4 of the pokemon you mention here. That, in addition to immunity to their moveset would make Charizard really good in this fight.
I'll add anything further in the first comment.
11:30 Charizard doesn't learn any flying type moves in the gen 1 games that he's a starter in. It's also important to note that thunder punch and ice punch are both special moves, meaning, despite ice punch being good against Venusaur, and thunder punch good against Blastoise, Venusaur would be more likely to tank a hit. In addition, with gen 1 ai, they always choose the super effective hit, so, the fighting resistance wouldn't likely effect things.
13:15 someone else mentioned it but, levitate is not it's hidden ability. Additionally, no kanto games, including LGPE, have had hidden abilities. Also, Bulbapedias page for Agatha mentions the abilities of all of her pokemon where applicable.
14:45 Blues name stays consistent between games. His name is Green in Japan. This is especially important to note as FRLG introduces Leaf, a character who is based off the manga character that we know as Green. Whose name was Blue in Japan. (Green, the manga character, also makes a canonical appearance in LGPE and in Masters EX, I believe they confirm that Green and Leaf are two different characters).
I'm gonna correct you on your point on Squirtle being ranked higher than Charmander, mainly because both of those mons learn Dig by TM so I feel the rankings are fair for that. The rest of your points are solid though.
@@jojosiwa6608no yeah, you're right. I think, I may have just been a little confused, given when dig was mentioned. But I feel like there's still a split here. In gen 1, since Charmander gets dig, you could argue it's better for the LT surge, especially given it's power. In gen 3, you may be able to argue Bulbasaurs better, since it can learn dig. But squirtle probably stays the same.
That said, I think putting squirtle as #1 for Erika is a huge mistake.
Also, I think it's just really odd that he mentioned dig an entire gym after it would've been incredibly relevant, especially when it's pretty much a required tm to get.
@@fishmrinc blame water-types being ice-type move mooches but yeah, i feel like charmeleon should be #1 given it's like, both super-effective and resistant against Erika's grass-types. Also, I'm not sure if Ivysaur also gets Dig, but either way, for Lt. Surge, Ivysaur gets #1 purely cuz of Electric resist than Charmeleon cuz it needs to consume a one-time TM to do super-effective damage to him.
Thats the problem with taking movesets into account. Its especially unfair to the Grass starter, because Water and Fire generally get the better movesets offensively, since Grass is supposed to the defensive typing in the starter triangle, with Fire generally being the neutral typing and Water offensively (Due to moveset).
Heck... Bulbasaur cannot even learn any offensive Poison type moves until generation 3 and even then Sludge Bomb is a TM move that is post-game. If it could learn Sludge Bomb in gen 1 via TM/Level up... it would be instantly outclass Blastoise because then it it is the best to deal with Erika (But Sludge Bomb isn't even introduced until gen 2).
Like for example in gen 3, Sceptile is a menace because we don't have the phyiscal/special split... while in ORAS gen 6 games, Sceptile is arguably the worse because of the physical/special split and it mainly being a physical attack moveset wise, while its offensive stat is special.
Its for the Kalos games as well.. Greninja is always getting praise for it being the best starter in Kalos, while this is actually not the case looking at the type specialists (Delphox reigns supreme then), but then looking at movesets, it makes Greninja better than it actually is, because again, its water typing giving it acces to Ice Beam coverage to deal with Grass types, while Delphox doesn't get the coverage to deal with Water weakness, because Solar Beam is a 2 turn move.
The early game should be weighted more. By late game, you have other strong options. In the early game, your starter is one of your only good pokemon
Early game you get Mankey for Brock, Pikachu for Misty, Onix for Surge, Charmander for Erica,
@paulmcf1115 Pikachu gets trashed by Misty, and Charmander is a starter.
I guess I was thinking more from a nuzlocking perspective, where you have limited encounters. Still my point still stands. Your starter is one of the few high-BST pokemon with good moves that you get early game
@@paulmcf1115Diglett for surge
@gonnagiveyouup8163 If your Pikachu gets "trashed" by Misty, that's your problem. Mine didn't, and in fact it swept her. Also, Spearow and Oddish are good Pokemon, considering BOTH of them can whoop Misty if trained well. So, no your point doesn't have anything to stand on.
@@paulmcf1115 Mankey shouldn't be taken into consideration either way, because its a version exclusive.
Either way, Erika isn't early game anymore, because at that point in the game, you have so many counters for her Pokemon besides Charmander (Pidgeotto, Fearow, Vulpix/Growlithe).
Heck, even Surge isn't really early game anymore either, looking at the counters.
Sandshrew (Which shouldn't count if Mankey doesn't, because Version Exclusive)
Geodude/Graveler
Onix
Diglett/Dugtrio.
Hope ur channel grows
Thanks!
Would love to see you tackle all the generations in this style.
Didn't know about the 2nd channal, then when i found out about it, i learn that he makes pokemon vids and i popped off 🎉
I don’t even play Pokémon games but I love the way you talk about them 😭😭 guess I’m a Pokémon enjoyer now
A quick note on Gen 1. In Red and Blue especially the AI was very broken leading to Erica and Koga seeing the Bulbasaur line’s grass type and prioritizing poison moves that are ineffective like poison powder and toxic. The same thing happens to the psychic moves on Lance’s team. Venusaur is by far the easiest starter to use, even if it is slower than Blastoise for speed runs.
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Welcome in!
13:20 Gengar had levitate ONLY till gen 6 or 7. I think 6.
I dont know why it says that since hidden ability that wasn't a thing till gen 5.
Gengar never got a Hidden Ability.
Regardless you have the right correction
As a silly little child I started my pokemon journey with a squirtle.. NO REGRETS
It's Bulbasaur and it's not even close 😂
I say heres something that could be done for next time
Include the rival and evil team fights as they hold signifigance for the progression of the game
Otherwise good video
I like to mention the location of the Cinnabar Gym
you need a Pokémon with Surf just to get there
I saw a leak for gen 9 starter final evos once that was the gen 9 starters but actually good they looked alike similar body shapes but the designs were amazing
I feel like your forgetting that in gen 1 Charizard has access to source sales and services Venusaur and blastoise access to withdraw which activates the badge glitch, which makes it stronger
Honestly, the starter having advantages over gym leaders really only matters until Lt.Surge (Misty is the real wall), because after that you have enough Pokémon variance to try and force your way through each gym ( for instance, how i play is essentially making a new team for each gym ); so the real question is how each of them helps you in a general way: movement , generalist team for Rival , Rocket hideout/Sylph Co. so Charizard just gets you stuck in the caves . Both Squirtle line and Bulba line solo the caves so both are great for general movement; for Team Rocket , Venusaur just absolutely tanks all the trainers even the Scientists with electric/steel Pokémon while Blastoise might have some issues but both destroy Giovanni all three times; for Rival matches even if grass is ass.. Venusaur still can tank much better with Leech Seed and Giga Absorption . So imho Venusaur line just makes things slightly better in a general way not just for gyms ( and honestly you don’t really have to use any of them for E4)
My only gripe with your scoring method, is that you award the same amount of points for all the fights. In the early game, you have less team options, so your starter is going to be more important. While at the elite four, you should have a full team to cover what your starter can’t.
I don’t really know how to fix that, but wanted to bring it up.
The thing is there's better water options and more water options to choose from. So Blastoise isn't really necessary.
It's Bulbasaur because he's the funniest little guy :)
11:49 oh yeah that’s soooo scary off of that 35 spec
I want to start by saying that I like the idea for this series, and that I enjoyed this video. However, I feel like there's one glaring thing not being accounted for here--the actual mechanics of the overall game. While you take typing of moves into account, seemingly insignificant things like Razor Leaf having a high crit rate in RBY actually makes a huge difference in those games, as shown in X-mon only runs from the likes of Jrose. This doesn't just apply to moves--things like Brock's Geodude and Onix having such low Sp.Def means that beating him with a Charmander isn't actually all that difficult (it should still obviously be in last for that gym, but still). While not a huge difference in the Gen 1 games, it might make a much larger difference in later gens, where both the problems to solve and the moves available will be much wider. You have Venasaur in last place for the Champion battle because of Pigeot, but Pigeot sucks and is actually super easy for Venasaur to beat with a neutrally powerful move like Body Slam. I think the Pigeot is still using Wing Attack, which is a base 35 move in a final battle??? Venasaur shouldn't have much issue, even at a type advantage at this point. Meanwhile, Blastoise gets a lategame edge against Alakazam because it gets Bite, when Alakazam has bad Defense and pretty much every starter has access to at least one decently powerful neutral physical attack, meaning Speed is a larger determining factor here than type matchup.
A lot of this video boils down to "know your type matchups!" which is far from the only consideration if you're ranking a Pokemon's ability to get through various skill checks throughout the games.
I don't have any specific advice on that front--it'd be nigh impossible to account for every single possibility, but I just feel like it's possible to dig much deeper into this topic, which would have a much more satisfying conclusion.
Your toast leaning inward sprite mouth agape interesting in what your saying.
The mouth shape really works for some reason. Anyway first time viewer. I like your Toast sprites
So.... the problem with taking movesets into account, is that this is really unfair to the Grass starter in general, because Water and Fire usually get better acces to better movepools and better TMs, due to their typings. Its especially obvious for Bulbasaur early on, since it didn't even get Sludge Bomb until generation 3 (And even then it could only learn it via TM, which was Post-Game as well). Its for this reason as well, that the Grass type (If we take also into account movesets), most of the time perform the worst in their respective regions, especially in the later regions and after the physical/special split, since Grass is not supposed to be an offensive, but a defensive typing.
0:18 based opinion
Ok but you also have to keep in mind the availability of these types when it comes to the games with fire being the least available and water being the most but if you are just going through the game with your starter then yes your ranking would be correct
"So you would never *have* to beat the game with just a Blastoise" people who do Kaizo Ironmon runs of these games would disagree :D
note that squirtle learns it's first damaging special move before bulbasaur so it can beat brock earlier and faster. Bubble has 15 less power, but vine whip for some god forsaken reason has 10 pp compared to bubble's 30 pp. Why did they make vine whip this bad? I don't know.
You see, Venusaur is the correct choice (in my opinion) Because he is the best grass type in Kanto, where as Arcanine is the best fire type and gyarados is the best water type so choosing either of the other starters brings an opportunity cost that picking Venusaur doesnt, unless you wanna use nidoking and dont want 2 poison types which fair
Grass type is useless
@ commented on a video laying out exactly where grass type is useful in the game 💀
Wartortle has bite by the time you get to misty which is super effective against starmie
I feel like your forgetting that in gen 1 Charizard has access to swords dance sales and Venusaur gets that two and blastoise access to withdraw which activates the badge glitch, which makes it stronger but that’s only gen 1 because SD is now a post game thing I think
As someone who has played kanto 150+ times.
Squirtle feels very well rounded never feels like an ace.
Jack of all trades master of none.
Kanto has many better water types but many appear late.
Bulbasaur has strong start in important battles struggles a little against Random trainers
Has a mediocre mid game post Surge. But levels up well. Takes awhile to get good offensive moves.
Charizard is the best against random trainers and Late Game. Espesically since he gets swords Dance. Fly (Yellow onward)/Body Slam and Earthquake he sweeps pretty well and has good offensive spread.
Struggles a bit in early important matches.
Takes a while to get good moves.
"You would never have to beat the game with just a Blastoise".
Me and my power-levelled Charizard would like to have word with you. What? No, of course I am able to catch any pokemon after the fourth gym because I'm not one-shotting any wild pokemon I come across, why would you ask that?
Could you talk about rival fights and evil team fights next time too?
Ain't no chance it's not Venusaur. Sure, Squirtle is best for speedrunning, and Charizard is the actual mascot of the franchise, but Venusaur is the biggest, derpiest, weirdly fast boy, (though not in Gen1, no Chlorophyll ability yet).
If u can speedrun with only one of the starters effectively than u have to give it to tht one starter
Typhlosion should have normal fire. He is less fire than average and it would have given a decent second stab.
I cant help but notice that you called out Loreli as a dual type but didnt call out Bird Keeper Lance
i agree with almost everything, except for the lance part. there i could argue that charizard is better in gen 3, because of the dragon claw. while charizard is weak to 2 out of the 5 pokemon of lance, venasaur cant posibly touch anything for super effective dmg, yeah, while venusaur has almost every neutral interaction, charizard can give super effective to both dragonair and the dragonite
few issues here. for one... super effective isn't everything. super effective bite's 120 power. stab surf/flamethrower? 135. so bite doesn't do anything of value presuming their stabs are not resisted to the psychic types. second, erika is interesting as blastoise becomes kinda a glass cannon, using ice beam but being weak to ice, venu LOOKS bad but in gen 1 she will only use poison powder due to the ai which makes venu just spam body slam. zard only has ember which is a pitiful 40 power so stab is 60 and super effective is 120 but it also hits into their better special stat while body slam on venu while lesser in power hits into their far worse phys def so it's still not bad. zard also can get para'd and wrapped out so it's something to keep in mind. also zard can have dig for agatha which obliterates her ghosts in gen 1 but is worthless gen 3, though they have worse special gen 1 so just use flamethrower (remember non stab bite is weaker than stab surf/flamethrower so it doesn't matter if they have bite). interestingly in gen 1 venu also has that bug work in its favor vs lance who most of his mons spam agility against so in practice it's unloseable while zard does awful and blast does probably the best in that it kills most of em other than gyara way faster. also zard can get dig too which helps it a lot in some things like lt surge offensively though he won't res electric. it's something to keep in mind. also submission is awful and it'll do lots of recoil to blast vs lorelei so it's more blastoise will have a war of attrition or try to submission and ko itself on its high recoil.
Overleveled Starter Analysis Episode 1
It's easily Bulbasaur imo. Grass/Poison is good against a lot of major battles and Blastoise is not as vital to a team as Venusaur or Charizard (even though Charizard kind of sucks in Kanto) in the long run as there are much more good water-type options in the region than there are for grass-types and fire-types.
Charizard is the epitome of don’t be stupid with it
blastoise still is my chony boi
I normally just pick Venasaur. Not only is he my favorite but he's just the best Grass Type in the game imo with Exeggutor being the only real competition. Why pick Blastoise when you have access to Gyarados and Lapras who are two of the best Pokemon in the game? Charizard is decent after the early game but by that point you probably already have the Pokemon you need to supplement a lack of Fire type.
1. Venasaur
2. Nidoking/Clefable
3. Kadabra/Alakazam
4. Snorlax
5. Lapras/Gyarados
6. Magneton/Electabuzz
Genwunner here, although Charmander is my favourite Fire type Pokemon, the best choice is clearly Squirtle.
Squirtle and Wartortle tank most trainers and gyms other than Surge & Erika, if taught dig, mows through Team Rocket Silph Co with poison types.
Blastoise is best Water Pokemon in Kanto and if taught Ice Beam.. Come at me, Lance.
I like Bulbsaur & Ivysaur, but later in the game, Poison & Grass is just weak to too many sp atracks; Ground, Flying, Fire, Psychic and Ice.
Side note, Mudkip line is the True Best Water Starter.
Come @ me in the comments 😂 😂
You dont use charmander for the first two bosses, you catch Mankey and Pikachu, Onix for Surge, then Charimander carries
In the gen 1 games/remake of it EASILY Bulbasaur.
Best Pokemon for a play through of the starters... sure. But best starter... Pokemon to start the game with... bulbasaur because of the first three gyms then you should have more Pokemon later.
Isnt typhlosion's stats an exact copy and paste of charizard's stats?
Well no surprise here speed runners like blastoise for a reason
While yes the argument is more about starters. This isn't taking in to account catching pokemon. Vaporeon,starmie and slowbro can all more or less do blastoises job. Charizard or arcanine are fine fire types. And Venasaur is debatably the best grass type in kanto
Charizard is best for its speed and attack, and fire is kinda shit except for him, and immune to earthquake
No wonder Game Freak keeps pushing Charizard on us. Lol
Blastoise shud get the number 1 spot against loreli... yea venasaur might be able to learn a move to give loreli a run for her money against ONE of her pokemon... blastoise can do the same while also resisting all water and ice moves
Blastoise gang!!!! Yesssssss
Problem is Bulbasaur is the best bc early game is the most important bc pokemon are limited
Of COURSE Charmander will have a "harder time" with some of the Gyms, you're meant to catch other Pokémon to cover his weaknesses. You bring this up at the end, but make the premise of your argument "imma put mah starter against the gyms and see what happens". With that logic, NO ONE should pick Charmander, because he can't sweep the gyms. Is that how ya'll play this game now? 😂
Gen 2 Starters Are The Worst!
Is it wrong to say my favorite Pokémon in GEN 1 is Missingno?
In the future while being able to account for every trainer and the variability of each Pokemon's IVs/EVs is nigh impossible, there are some more important battles to include going forward. All of the Rival fights (even if some of them are optional) the Evil Team boss(es), and other notable trainers from future titles.
Also to make a request, I would be interested in seeing you do this with Coloseum in the future with the Johto Starters you get in that game and the Eevee choice in XD. Coloseum and XD are essentially challenge runs with the limited Pokemon and are the hardest official Pokemon RPGs. Aka they are just Fire Emblem games made by former Dragon Quest developers.
Bulbasaur is #001!!!
It’s bulbasaur.
How dare you bully feralligatr
I love him, but look at him
Yeah Feraligatr is the best.
The booty doesn’t lie
Charizard
Banger
Not gonna lie very lazy video idea and it’s venasaur we’ve seen a million videos and reels.
Charizard