38k miles on my Model Y in ~19 months of ownership and I've never once had to wait in line for charging. Taken it on several 1,000 mile road trips (mostly in the Southeast) and again charging has never been a problem. It does take a little more planning, if I'm going to be staying somewhere rural for a few days (I'm from a small town), since there aren't local chargers, but it's already improved in just the last year alone. More buildout is certainly welcome to increase options, but my experience is already great. Would I consider an EV other than a Tesla at the moment? No.
Cool. Same here with a Model 3 after 18 months - never waited to charge it and I've driven it on plenty of out of town road trips, including flying out of state and driving it back home when I bought it. I waited many times in lines for gas at Sam's Club pumps or other gas stations with my previous car, a Prius, lol.
2016 Model S 110k miles. I am never pressing a start button ever again and never changing oil. I don't trust Lucid yet to stay in business to spend my money with them and I have no interest in a truck. So if I got in a crash today and totaled it, it would be another Tesla. Plus they been great to me. Service is better than Lexus, Porsche or BMW.
@@gnoxycat electric vehicles need electric motor automatic transmission fluid changes they use ATF9 fluid and need filter change with that unless older model s pre oil filter days lol still need atf9 even model s dating back to 2013.
125,000 km on our 2022 model 3 std range, average charge time on looong road trips is 18 minutes. Too bad people just don’t understand that with Tesla Superchargers everything works and fast.
Early mover advantage most likely. The US federal government has spent tens of billions on building chargers and gotten almost nothing for their money. The main reason is the electrical utilities can't provide them with the electricity. I'm in Toronto and the plant I work at has to shut down several times on hot days because the electrical grid cant cope. We've even eliminated the afternoon shift. The next step in 2 years is permanent shutdown of the plant, which has been here since early WW II. That's what these EVs are about. Getting us out of automobiles all together and eliminating our jobs so we have to go of guaranteed monthly income so they can treat us like pets. Take the jab or starve.
@@bunsw2070 Sounds dark. I hope you're wrong. Any chance the power company you work for will consider battery storage for load management? Appears to be an important part of the solution.
@@antoinepageau8336 They want to but the two big things are that batteries are still way too expensive for anything but grid stabilization in smaller areas and the battery technology advancement is moving too fast to invest in right now, it's much cheaper to put in gas peaker plants and wait for battery tech to plateau. There are other storage solutions but they are all unfortunately still too expensive or unfeasible at grid scale. The size of the battery needed to reliably power a place like NYC or Tokyo and it's surrounding industrial centers and suburban sprawl would be quite large and a bit expensive.
Met this man in his house in Bloomfield Hills. His daughter Lisa invited my then wife and I to view some posters she bought while touring museums in Europe. The man was opinionated yet warm and gregarious. I wasn’t thirty yet and knew nothing of his stature and contributions to the auto business. I was given a tour of his phenomenal art collection and after we talked about his career while my then wife disappeared with his daughter and lovely wife. He downplayed his role over the years and was really modest. I still remember that day and I am very happy to have met him. Glad to see you are alive sir.
I've taken my Tesla on a fair number of multi-state trips. I've never waited once for another vehicle. That isn't to say it doesn't happen, but let's not pretend "that's just what happens on trips".
Do you live in Egypt? They dont have one single charging station in the entire country. A lot of countries are like that. Toyota sells a lot of cars in places like that.
Tesla knows second by second which stations are experiencing high demand. They know well in advance where they need to add more Superchargers or build a new charging station close by.
Even if chargers are available, you wait for it to charge. I can go 500 miles per 5 minute stop with a Camry hybrid, and at similar operating cost to using public charging, except for the people who got in on Tesla "free charging for life" a few years ago with Models S.
I own a 2017 Second Gen Volt its always plugged in and is primarily used as an EV we go between 1000 - 2000 miles between fill ups with Fuel Thank you for the Volt Bob it's a damn good car
@Top12Boardsport um actually musk himself said they were days away from bankruptcy on several occasions. Yes, he was wrong, but it was close a few times.
Tesla can't hold a candle to Chinese EV companies. BYD makes 85% of everything that goes into their cars, including the battery. Tesla is around 40% to 45%. In a free market Tesla would go bankrupt.
@@kitgerhart8749 no doubt. My point was specific to Lutz not understanding how essential the charging experience is to the EV. It was a big miss that gave Tesla such a strong start. This is a dude that published books on delivering value to the market.
@@kitgerhart8749 they will have access and it will help fund Tesla. Tesla whether they planned it or not has gotten a lot of funding and consistent cash flow from the legacy OEMs. Emissions Credits and soon to be charging.
Lutz is wrong. Currently fossil fuels are used for about 60% of US electricity, not 80%. Renewables are rising rapidly. Wind and solar are now producing more of our electricity than is nuclear. Solar installations have doubled in 2024 over 2023, which was a record year.
And of the 60%, most of that is from natural gas, which is far cleaner than coal. It also ignores all rooftop solar. Many EV owners I know (including myself) use solar to charge the car.
And all of the capacity for solar and wind has redundant natural gas capacity backing it up so when it dark and not windy there's still power . Causing us to pay for twice the infrastructure to maintain.
@@tycurtin7565 That's why utilities are dumping coal and gas plants. To expensive and high polluting. Switching to battery farms that handle peaker needs for solar and wind, which is 2-4 times cheaper than natural gas peaker plants.
@@tesla_tap No one is dumping gas plants. They're building as much gas or more as they are wind and solar. That's why prices are going up. Batteries alone with solar and wind would be 5 times or more the price of gas.
Near where I live (and my city is small) there are many EV charging stations of all sorts. No waiting. My city is a bedroom community to Sloppy Joe Ranch and the abundance of tech people here is amazing. Every household has at least one EV, some have only EVs.
Tesla customer here (having owned several GM EVs). I've never been third in line for a Tesla charger, nor have I spent 30min charging before unless we were eating at a restaurant. Bob sounds clueless.
If you overnight at a hotel with a destination charger you probably don't lose any time at all. Just charge while eating lunch. And, perhaps, grab a few minutes of charge when you stop for the afternoon pee.
Tesla has the robust charging network with trip planning. While I like Lutz he seems to ignore the elephant in the room that has already fixed the electrification problem.
Tesla is the brand that people love to hate. It's the only brand the MSM mentions when there is a crash or fire. Did you ever hear another brand mentioned ?
And as of this week it no longer applies to GM EVs. Tesla has opened up their Superchargers to GM products. (You do have to buy an adapter from GM.) Lutz can now drive his EV on a long trip.
@@stevelovescars Are you saying the Supercharger network is stalling or it even collapsed because of that? Did X (Twitter) collapse after firing >80% of deadwood?
It's more like 35 miles, but otherwise you're right. Range anxiety is only a problem if you drive an EV that does not have access to Tesla Superchargers.
Not sure where Bob is getting 4-5 hours to charge on the road - I think he is thinking home charging. My Tesla Model Y - charges from 20 to 80% in about 10-12 minutes if you navigate to supercharger so it is preconditioned before charging - I just have time to go the the restroom and get a water. I recently drove from Alabama to NYC in about 15.5 hours which is the same as when I drive my ICE car up there.
He said Spacex is not as big on DEI as it should be! That maybe the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I don’t know if he made a single good business decision in at least 3 decades, which is why the companies he led all turned to crap.
Thanks for having Lutz on. Now I know why legacy auto is failing and has no chance going forward. It's still a mystery why the guy insists on misinforming himself and others about EVs. Seems like the information is readily available and he himself drives an EV supposedly...
everybody in the legacy world has to try to point out anything negative on evs because if everybody knewthe advantages all the legacy companies would gone already.
EVs make no sense. There aren't enough minerals. They're disposable because of the fire hazard. They're thermodynamically inefficient because you're hauling around a heavy battery all the time. Gasoline makes the most sense. EVs are not about global warming. It's to kill personal transportation. In the near future you'll be allowed to walk as far as you want. Otherwise you'll need written permission from the government.
John - Fascinating discussion, but still hard not to call it "A Chat with the Dinosaurs". Would be way more informative to have Lutz on with RJ Scaringe or Elon Musk, so we can compare and contrast the approaches to business. Yesterday vs Today. That's the talk I'd love to see!
Americans have been brainwashed into believing Bigger is Better. Trying to get them to accept an EV with less than a 300 mile range is going to be miraculous.
It's just a matter of time, which really means experience. Once you know someone who is having no problem driving an EV with a moderate range you'll figure it out. And just think about all the households which have more than one car. How many take really long trips on the same day?
@@2cartalkers You just need to talk to people who take long trips, stop to take a whiz every 2 hours and charge a bit, and repeat until you get there. Then plug in for the night at a hotel.
The time it takes to charge an EV is 30 seconds for most EV owners. 30 seconds to plug it in when you get home and when you wake up in the morning you have a full battery pack. Most people's daily commute is only 20 - 30 miles. So a cheap used EV with 100 miles of range would suit most people. Here in the UK you can buy a used EV with 100 miles of range for as little as £5k. For 200 miles of range will cost approx £10k. We just bought a used Kia Soul EV with 250 miles of range for only £14k. Even Bob Lutz has electricity in his home and charges his EV overnight - so the anti EV FUD he never stops spouting is totally false - waiting at a charging station in a queue to charge is not the norm - charging at home over night IS the norm. I did a long road trip the other day to an antique fair 100 miles away from home. I never stopped to charge at all as my China made Tesla Model Y has 300+ miles of range. If I drove to Blackpool 245 miles away from Reading then I would still make it without having to stop to charge - I would have to stop once for a comfort break. Lucid Air has a range of over 500 miles - but is not available here in the UK yet. Lucid Air is available in the USA for $69k and used ones are obviously a lot cheaper. EVs should last longer than ICE vehicles as they have very few moving parts - around 20 compared to 2000 in an ICE vehicle.
TL;DR. Most people live in apartments so can't charge at home. I know one guy with an Hyundai Ioniq 5 EV that will never buy another EV. His insurance company won't let him park it in his garage or install a 220 Volt outlet on the outside of his house for charging. Most of the time the vehicle never gets fully charged, especially in winter when so much electricity is diverted to keeping the battery from freezing. He's aged years in the 9 months he's owned the car.
@@bunsw2070 I lived in an apartment in LA for almost 2 years and only had a 110v plug for every day charging. It was fine. The answer is more government and more regulation. If you rent, you must have charging available.
It takes me less than 5 seconds since I installed my charger right where I park at home 😄. It beats the ten minutes or so it would take me to divert and fuel up every week.
In 5 years with multiple Teslas - and other European EVs - and more than 300.000 km all across Europe with my company cars we had to wait once for about 5 minutes in Olomouc on a Model S finishing his charging. And once, in Poland, we had to search for a public fast charger because the next supercharger was too far away.
I am about half way through this podcast and must say that they have said very little about Tesla which is the MOST American built vehicle in America. Not bleeding money and having $23 Billion in available cash. This is trivial compared to the approximately $90 Billion loss which Bob Lutz achieved.
Tesla hasn't released sales numbers by model , you have no idea how well they are selling. They are piled up in Texas I see them everyday and the number gets bigger every week. The 2 million pre-orders was BS . Never existed.
@@johnnyforeigner11Proving the market for electric pickups is small and outselling the rest isn't that big a deal. They sell in snowflake occupied cities .
About a year ago Bob Lutz pointed out that while Tesla had been a leader in innovation and sales, the technology behind electric vehicles was becoming widely available to other automakers. He indicated that without unique technological advantages, Tesla would eventually be viewed as just another car manufacturer among many, leading to a more modest stock market valuation. He was so wrong. Lithium battery prices have fallen by more than 80% and some companies are now given a lifetime warranty on the battery. After 120 years Innovation on ICE vehicles has now come to an end. The EV story is just starting. The Tesla Model Y was the best selling vehicle in the world in 2023 and will probably attain the same position in 2024. The recently introduced Cyber Truck is already selling better than all other EV trucks combined in the USA. Contrary to Bob's prediction Tesla's lead is just increasing more and more. Ask yourself a few questions; Which Auto company has just installed the largest AI training computer n the world ? Which Auto company has it's own Lithium refinery? Which Auto company has just produced 100 millionth lithium cell in USA? Which Auto company is leading in Full Self Driving and has the computers already installed in 7 million cars which can be switched on at any time and will just result in huge bottom line profits? Which company did Herbert Diess CEO of Volkswagen say was building cars more than 3 times as fast as Volkswagen? (The implications of this statement are actually profound. - It means that to achieve the same output Volkswagen needs 3 factories instead of just one) Which Auto Company has a leader that has successfully launched and landed 351 rockets into orbit and back to earth? No other country or private company has managed to achieve this yet. Elon Musk is the Maestro of Emerging Technologies and Tesla is certainly NOT just another car company. No Bob, you are very very wrong.
Why do these conversations always ignore Tesla and the Supercharger network? I drive my Tesla across the country all the time. I can charge at about 10 miles a minute at a Supercharger.
Excelent interview with brilliant Mr. Bob Lutz. Lee Iacocca should had nominated Bob Lutz instead of Eaton, maybe Chrysler Corporation would be in a better position today and would of never had to merge with Mercedez Benz at the time.
If you are going to fully charge an EV in 7 minutes, you should just drive an ICE. My wife and I have made 20+ 5000 mile trips all over the country and charging has never been an issue. Up to 800 miles in a single day.
He's not dull by any means. I don't agree with everything he says but he's certainly engaging! Love to see the cigar in his pocket still after all this time.. It is his signature accessary after all..
Keep in mind that 100% of power generation in Norway is Hydroelectric so the American issue Bob Lutz refereed to as just changing where the CO2 is emitted is shifted is not an issue.
I would love to hear more about the technicians in the dealerships that are tasked with fixing these vehicles. It all rolls back downhill to the dealership service department.
Bob Lutz is an engaging character - no doubt. But - saying that Legacy should emphasise large, highly profitable trucks ? But, Bob, after a certain amount of sales - no-one else can afford them - and now Cybertruck is eating their lunch...
Have a Model y and just did a 1500 mile trip with no issues. Average charging time was 20-25minutes. Never waited in line . The big cities had less charges but just took a bit of planning
Bob may be 92 years old and not completely up on Evies in 2024, but there are definitely some (golden nuggets) in this video! He seems like a pretty cool guy
I really don't get why people put Lutz on a pedestal. You see the products that came out from GM during his tenure? Not to mention driving GM into bankruptcy. He was also totally wrong about Tesla. This guy shouldnt be steering the ship he should be cleaning it.
Bob Lutz remains sharp as a tack and his assessments of the automotive industry are spot on. As a VP in healthcare, I can say that many of Mr. Lutz’s constructive leadership ideas are transferable to industries outside of automotive. Nice interview!
Out of the ~170k km I've put on my Volt only 8k or so was in HEV mode (occasional road trip or long day out in town), the rest is in BEV mode, and I still have about 90% battery life (GM way overbuilt the cooling and buffer for the battery), glad to know the car will pretty much last forever! And that's with a battery that only gets about 60 - 70 km or so of range depending on driving conditions no need to hoard hundreds of km worth of batteries to essentially drive emissions free if you can charge daily.
After just one month it is illegal to register new ICE cars (ICE trucks in 2030) in Norway - did Gary not know that, or why does he gaslight the audience?
I appreciate Bob's support of the development of the Chevy Volt, and as a 19 year owner of a 2004 GTO importing the Holden Monaro as the GTO, however, when Bob stated the it takes 8 hrs to charge an EV and only get 80miles of range was way out of touch and you guys should have fact checked him. Charging at home on level 2 may well take 8hrs or more but even fast charging a Hummer will give you more than 80 miles in an hour. Sorry, I respect Bob and all his automotive successes but as a Chevy Spark EV owner also, I don't get why GM killed the Bolt and Volt both which were way ahead of the curve. While I get SUVs and pickups are best profit earners, thanks to the Bush incentives, blaming EPA for unrealistic mileage goals and ignoring that cars and trucks are unnecessarily large and continually getting bigger and heavier, is a sad point.
It's using gas station thinking to make EVs look bad, He also mentioned plug-in when you get home. There's so many people with a fantasy of their life being a nomad, lifestyle vehicles, off-roading. Auto companies tell us what we want, media reports on it as if it's fact. Autoline could give awareness of practical options instead of just reporting on what we supposedly want
Here in the UK when people say "the charging infrastructure isn't ready yet" I always amaze them by saying "There are more EV charging stations than petrol stations. Plus you can charge anywhere where there is electricity - anywhere that has a 3 pin plug socket. Most EV owners charge overnight when they are asleep. If you have solar on your roof then you can charge for free directly from the sun. It used to cost me £75 to fill up my old diesel car but my Tesla is only £25 to fill up at a Tesla supercharger - or cheaper when I fill up at home over night". As of May 2024, there are more public electric vehicle (EV) charging points than petrol stations in the UK: EV charging points: 62,536 public charging points Petrol stations: 8,353 at the end of 2023.
@@rwdplz1 196,643 USA retail gas stations and declining - and 163,753 public chargers and growing rapidly. Tesla L3 charger manufacturing capacity is 10,000 a year at only $10,000 - $60.000 a unit for hardware and installation. Decommissioning of a gas facility is way over a million per site. In urban areas there are usually more chargers than gas stations. Manhattan 52 in 2008 down to 31 in 2017, but 56 public charging station ports (Level 2 and Level 3) within 15km. San Francisco down 40% in the last ten years, or downtown Vancouver, complete absence of downtown gas stations. A 2019 report by BCG predicts that 80% of conventional gas stations could be out of business by 2035.
@@rwdplz1 Everywhere there is an outlet there is a charging station. In 2 years i have only needed a super charger about 10 times. I went to visit my brother at Christmas time. There are no charging stations within 40 miles of him. I plugged in to an outlet on his porch and charged while I was there. I didn't need to, I had enough to drive the 110 miles home. It just seemed like the prudent thing to do. It costs me $0.07 per mile to drive my EV @ $0.21 Kwh.
@@bunsw2070 The last time I spent anytime charging my car was December 26th. It cost me less than $9 and took 17 minutes to charge. So in 8+ months I've spent 17 minutes fueling my car. How long have you spent pumping gas? I get out of my car, plug it in and go in the house. When I go anywhere I walk to the car, unplug as I go past, and drive away. How much time do you spend charging your cell phone? You plug it in and when you need it you unplug it and drop it in your pocket or whatever.
I've traveled 50,000 miles in my MY in the last 18 months. Charging has NEVER been a problem. Mr. Lutz is typical of people who don't understand (or fear) charging on the road. Also, as of this comment, GM now has access to Tesla chargers, which is great news and will help to alleviate this fear of road tripping.
Bob Lutz was in charge of GM from 2001 when it filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy on June 1, 2009, marking one of the largest bankruptcies in U.S. history. Approximately $82.29 billion in assets and liabilities of about $172.81 billion at the time of filing. Don't think that he has much credibility.
First off, McElroy needs to stop interrupting his guests and let them talk. I was going bananas for the first 10 minutes or so watching him constantly interrupt Lutz. I worked as a studio engineer at GM when Lutz came on board and it was nothing short of a revelation watching this man lead. I remember him looking at the Buick Regal, all done in clay with tooling being built. He said, "It stinks. We're going to make the windshield faster, slam the roof and add more tumblehome (curvature) to the side glass." This was basically starting over. That car became the first LaCrosse, which was beautiful. He created the Pontiac Solstice. I remember his speeches in the Design dome were filled to capacity. He was introduced on a Friday at 5pm and the place was packed. He brought inspiration and hope to a lot of long-suffering car nuts. We loved it when he flew in with his helicopter. However, there were more than a few senior executives who did not like the authority and popularity that Bob had. Too freaking bad! Bob was a throwback to the great GM executives who simply had that indefinable something that knew what would work. He spoke plainly and eloquently. I wish he was ten years younger and would take over Chrysler!
Thermodynamics of the atmosphere will not wait for businesses to catch up. The very same business that deliberately slowed down the transition to electrification. Instead of complaining about what is missing campaign for solutions.
I took a trip from Virginia to Niagara Falls this month, and back, using my Tesla adapter with my Ford. The Tesla chargers I stopped at had many many open stations. They all worked and were pretty fast. It was great. Doing the same trip last year on the EA network? It Stunk.
I’m happy 😊 to hear that! How long did you spend charging 20-80% ? And what size is your battery. This is one of the most constructive comments on this video, thanks
@@uselessfacts-nd7pj I have the extended-range battery = 131 kWh. 20-80% usually is about 40 minutes, slightly less, or more, depending on outside of temperature. Note the Ford Lightning charging speed is limited by Ford. About 165 kWh is your peak and then it moves down to about 125 kWh, but at 80% it is throttled down to about 80 kWhs. So you charge to 80%, unplug and go. If Ford increases the charge speed on its Gen2 Lightning, and can cut it to 20 minutes to go from 20-80%, game changer.
@@billsrelectricthat’s about the same as my old gen 1 model X. Charging at a 150kw max speed. My rule is if the car is charging slower than about 80 mph its time to go to the next charging station . Once NACS is available to all its not really an issue at all .
You don’t think China has an advantage with a $2 hour labor rate? All the suppliers have a similar labor rate, along with 90% reduction in energy costs, unlimited cheap Capital.
They are also relying more and more on robotics in their manufacturing since they don't have luddite labor unions holding back their progress. They have auto factories where the cars are put together almost entirely by automation in one form or another. Pretty sure Tesla will be the first (and most probably only) US automaker to do the same.
17:40 "I don't have all of the facts." This is why you should get Tony Seba on the show instead, he has facts, all of them. Per Seba, Lutz is exactly part of the "experts" that does not see the disruption happening.
Bob Lutz is bragging about how easy it is to make correct decisions. I wonder how many of these "correct" decisions are needed to result in a $90 Billion loss. Is it a straight line or exponential ????
Bob Lutz feels that Mary Barra is highly successful. Is he basing this on losses achieved and publicly announced targets being met. The SEC should be looking into her statements. In January 2021, Mary Barra announced plans for GM to introduce 30 new EV models by 2025 and emphasized that the company was investing $27 billion in electric and autonomous vehicle development. Barra stated, "This is how we will win," indicating a strategic pivot aimed at positioning GM as a leader in the mass-market electric vehicle segment, potentially surpassing Tesla in that regard. 2025 is only 3 months away !!!!!!!!!!!
Bob, here in the UK, we’ve closed our last coal fired powered station and let’s face it and until then, we (and anyone else burning stuff) are still in the steam age as that’s how it’s been working. Any drawbacks with Electrification are purely about timing. Battery tech is in its infancy and when energy density and discharging improves, batteries will get smaller and lighter while delivering more miles. Plus, legacy OEMs are still designing huge inefficient vehicles with fat tyres, look at an i3 to see how far one can travel per kg of weight.
Jack - I dispute your diesel gate association with the Cyber truck comment. You were probably there at GM when I worked there trying to make GM powertrain a better development platform. You may not like the CT but the technology will bury GM if they don’t adapt.
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38k miles on my Model Y in ~19 months of ownership and I've never once had to wait in line for charging. Taken it on several 1,000 mile road trips (mostly in the Southeast) and again charging has never been a problem. It does take a little more planning, if I'm going to be staying somewhere rural for a few days (I'm from a small town), since there aren't local chargers, but it's already improved in just the last year alone. More buildout is certainly welcome to increase options, but my experience is already great. Would I consider an EV other than a Tesla at the moment? No.
Cool. Same here with a Model 3 after 18 months - never waited to charge it and I've driven it on plenty of out of town road trips, including flying out of state and driving it back home when I bought it. I waited many times in lines for gas at Sam's Club pumps or other gas stations with my previous car, a Prius, lol.
2018 model 3 with 120k miles. Never waited, not once. I would consider other evs now that Tesla network is open to GM, Ford and Rivian.
would i consider an ev? no
2016 Model S 110k miles. I am never pressing a start button ever again and never changing oil. I don't trust Lucid yet to stay in business to spend my money with them and I have no interest in a truck. So if I got in a crash today and totaled it, it would be another Tesla. Plus they been great to me. Service is better than Lexus, Porsche or BMW.
@@gnoxycat electric vehicles need electric motor automatic transmission fluid changes they use ATF9 fluid and need filter change with that unless older model s pre oil filter days lol still need atf9 even model s dating back to 2013.
125,000 km on our 2022 model 3 std range, average charge time on looong road trips is 18 minutes. Too bad people just don’t understand that with Tesla Superchargers everything works and fast.
Early mover advantage most likely. The US federal government has spent tens of billions on building chargers and gotten almost nothing for their money. The main reason is the electrical utilities can't provide them with the electricity. I'm in Toronto and the plant I work at has to shut down several times on hot days because the electrical grid cant cope. We've even eliminated the afternoon shift. The next step in 2 years is permanent shutdown of the plant, which has been here since early WW II. That's what these EVs are about. Getting us out of automobiles all together and eliminating our jobs so we have to go of guaranteed monthly income so they can treat us like pets. Take the jab or starve.
@@bunsw2070 Sounds dark. I hope you're wrong. Any chance the power company you work for will consider battery storage for load management? Appears to be an important part of the solution.
@@antoinepageau8336 They want to but the two big things are that batteries are still way too expensive for anything but grid stabilization in smaller areas and the battery technology advancement is moving too fast to invest in right now, it's much cheaper to put in gas peaker plants and wait for battery tech to plateau. There are other storage solutions but they are all unfortunately still too expensive or unfeasible at grid scale.
The size of the battery needed to reliably power a place like NYC or Tokyo and it's surrounding industrial centers and suburban sprawl would be quite large and a bit expensive.
Met this man in his house in Bloomfield Hills. His daughter Lisa invited my then wife and I to view some posters she bought while touring museums in Europe. The man was opinionated yet warm and gregarious. I wasn’t thirty yet and knew nothing of his stature and contributions to the auto business. I was given a tour of his phenomenal art collection and after we talked about his career while my then wife disappeared with his daughter and lovely wife. He downplayed his role over the years and was really modest. I still remember that day and I am very happy to have met him. Glad to see you are alive sir.
I've taken my Tesla on a fair number of multi-state trips. I've never waited once for another vehicle.
That isn't to say it doesn't happen, but let's not pretend "that's just what happens on trips".
Do you live in Egypt? They dont have one single charging station in the entire country. A lot of countries are like that. Toyota sells a lot of cars in places like that.
Tesla knows second by second which stations are experiencing high demand. They know well in advance where they need to add more Superchargers or build a new charging station close by.
@@bunsw2070 Well sure, just because it's easily doable somewhere doesn't mean it is everywhere.
@@bunsw2070 I'm not in Egypt, but they already have over 500 charge points by Infinity EV. Considering this is a USA show, not sure Egypt's relevance.
Even if chargers are available, you wait for it to charge. I can go 500 miles per 5 minute stop with a Camry hybrid, and at similar operating cost to using public charging, except for the people who got in on Tesla "free charging for life" a few years ago with Models S.
I own a 2017 Second Gen Volt its always plugged in and is primarily used as an EV we go between 1000 - 2000 miles between fill ups with Fuel Thank you for the Volt Bob it's a damn good car
Nice to see Lutz is still off his rocker.
People forget, Bob said Tesla would not survive as they had no technological advantage, and that Audi and Jaguar would come and eat their lunch
Buy that boy some socks. Autoline needs a dress code.
Obviously, software isn't in the Lutz vocabulary....
i cant believe Bob is sitting there arguing like five years ago. The goal posts have romped away in this period.
Lutz is not good at predicting the future. He told us 10 years ago that Tesla soon would go bankrupt.
@Top12Boardsport um actually musk himself said they were days away from bankruptcy on several occasions. Yes, he was wrong, but it was close a few times.
Bob Lutz just explained that GM and the rest of the legacy OEM’s are irrelevant.
Because they are
As long as they are politically connected they can keep tariffs high enough to stay in business a little while longer.
@@MatrixJockeyI would not underestimate General Motors. Ford is already behind, CDJR….well.
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The Korean’s just bought GM
If Lutz was president of GM at this time of his life, he'd put a SAAB badge on V8 pickup.
No issues with Tesla on travel and charging. Bob knows what’s going . He’s deliberately ignoring Tesla.
He could charge his Lyriq at a Tesla Supercharger instead of griping about lack of charging locations when out of town.
Tesla can't hold a candle to Chinese EV companies. BYD makes 85% of everything that goes into their cars, including the battery. Tesla is around 40% to 45%. In a free market Tesla would go bankrupt.
He's driving a GM EV. He's driving a crippled product. Or at least it was crippled up until this week when Tesla opened their Superchargers to GM EVs.
Lutz is ignoring China .
@@hoffrun Whistling past the graveyard.
Tesla has already done what Bob is complaining about.
Lutz is the dude that said the Tesla's only advantage is the charging network. Turns out that ends up being the most important feature.
The charging network is Tesla's advantage, but there are a lot of disadvantages. Soon, most EVs will have access to Tesla chargers.
@@kitgerhart8749 no doubt. My point was specific to Lutz not understanding how essential the charging experience is to the EV. It was a big miss that gave Tesla such a strong start. This is a dude that published books on delivering value to the market.
@@kitgerhart8749 they will have access and it will help fund Tesla. Tesla whether they planned it or not has gotten a lot of funding and consistent cash flow from the legacy OEMs. Emissions Credits and soon to be charging.
@@kitgerhart8749 ... and Tesla still isn't bankrupt ;)
Bob has cool stories about the old days, but when it comes to EVs, he's still talking about the old days.
Lutz is wrong. Currently fossil fuels are used for about 60% of US electricity, not 80%. Renewables are rising rapidly. Wind and solar are now producing more of our electricity than is nuclear. Solar installations have doubled in 2024 over 2023, which was a record year.
And of the 60%, most of that is from natural gas, which is far cleaner than coal. It also ignores all rooftop solar. Many EV owners I know (including myself) use solar to charge the car.
Yeah, I'm glad John pushed back on that point a bit.
And all of the capacity for solar and wind has redundant natural gas capacity backing it up so when it dark and not windy there's still power . Causing us to pay for twice the infrastructure to maintain.
@@tycurtin7565 That's why utilities are dumping coal and gas plants. To expensive and high polluting. Switching to battery farms that handle peaker needs for solar and wind, which is 2-4 times cheaper than natural gas peaker plants.
@@tesla_tap No one is dumping gas plants. They're building as much gas or more as they are wind and solar. That's why prices are going up. Batteries alone with solar and wind would be 5 times or more the price of gas.
Near where I live (and my city is small) there are many EV charging stations of all sorts. No waiting. My city is a bedroom community to Sloppy Joe Ranch and the abundance of tech people here is amazing. Every household has at least one EV, some have only EVs.
Tesla customer here (having owned several GM EVs). I've never been third in line for a Tesla charger, nor have I spent 30min charging before unless we were eating at a restaurant. Bob sounds clueless.
Jesus Bob! You can go across country in a Tesla with limited down time!
If you overnight at a hotel with a destination charger you probably don't lose any time at all. Just charge while eating lunch. And, perhaps, grab a few minutes of charge when you stop for the afternoon pee.
@@bobwallace9753 I do that on most trips. These guys have no idea.
Tesla has the robust charging network with trip planning.
While I like Lutz he seems to ignore the elephant in the room that has already fixed the electrification problem.
all this range and charging issues they are discussing DOES not apply to Tesla's
Tesla is the brand that people love to hate. It's the only brand the MSM mentions when there is a crash or fire. Did you ever hear another brand mentioned ?
And as of this week it no longer applies to GM EVs. Tesla has opened up their Superchargers to GM products. (You do have to buy an adapter from GM.) Lutz can now drive his EV on a long trip.
Didn’t Elon throw a fit a few months ago and fire everyone working on Tesla’s charging network?
@@stevelovescars Are you saying the Supercharger network is stalling or it even collapsed because of that? Did X (Twitter) collapse after firing >80% of deadwood?
@@stevelovescarsTesla's charging network increased 20% this year.
FYI. Avg American drives 20 miles a day. Range anxiety BS! GM had 14 yrs post bankruptcy to get it right, they failed!
What's your point?
It's more like 35 miles, but otherwise you're right. Range anxiety is only a problem if you drive an EV that does not have access to Tesla Superchargers.
@@bunsw2070 they couldn't find an older dinosaur, he is irrelevant, a talking head if you will.
Is the competition still coming?
GM does not seem to be trying, when they got gov cash bailout they had a chance and gave all to investors in dividends.
2023 Chevy Bolt EV was the best deal yet. It was extended to 2023 due to popular demand.
Not sure where Bob is getting 4-5 hours to charge on the road - I think he is thinking home charging. My Tesla Model Y - charges from 20 to 80% in about 10-12 minutes if you navigate to supercharger so it is preconditioned before charging - I just have time to go the the restroom and get a water. I recently drove from Alabama to NYC in about 15.5 hours which is the same as when I drive my ICE car up there.
As Bob pointed out, some lady never knew her gas/electric vehicle could be plug in.
Why is Tesla being excluded from conversation
Lutz handed down his thinking and DENIALS to Mary Barra.
Extinct Do-Do’s of the same feather for sure. A 90 yo saying “last time I checked….” coulda been before WW2!!!
GM produce the best deal, 23 Chevy bolt EV
He said Spacex is not as big on DEI as it should be! That maybe the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. I don’t know if he made a single good business decision in at least 3 decades, which is why the companies he led all turned to crap.
I believe strongly that the cyber truck will be one of the biggest successes in Tesla, history and the automotive industry.
How could you come to such strange ideas, when the professional paid experts don't see that in decades? 😁
92 years old. Wow.
Lutz was wrong about EVs in the past and is wrong about EVs now. He seems completely oblivious to the S curve.
Exactly. EVs will never make sense.
@@bunsw2070EVs are dominating. All the legacy automakers are dying out because they can't compete.
@@MatrixJockey
Evs is a ticking time bomb that's why more and more cities in China are not beginning to banned underground parking for a reason 😅😂
@@Kingofthehill84so that’s why EV is the fast growing segment in China and ICE is dropping like stone?
@@Kingofthehill84then I guess ice should be banned to since they burn more often.
I remember when he said Tesla is doomed!
I'm so old I remember when he said the Prius was a money losing publicity stunt
Thanks for having Lutz on. Now I know why legacy auto is failing and has no chance going forward. It's still a mystery why the guy insists on misinforming himself and others about EVs. Seems like the information is readily available and he himself drives an EV supposedly...
everybody in the legacy world has to try to point out anything negative on evs because if everybody knewthe advantages all the legacy companies would gone already.
EVs make no sense. There aren't enough minerals. They're disposable because of the fire hazard. They're thermodynamically inefficient because you're hauling around a heavy battery all the time. Gasoline makes the most sense. EVs are not about global warming. It's to kill personal transportation. In the near future you'll be allowed to walk as far as you want. Otherwise you'll need written permission from the government.
Baghdad Bob, er, Detroit Bob.
John - Fascinating discussion, but still hard not to call it "A Chat with the Dinosaurs". Would be way more informative to have Lutz on with RJ Scaringe or Elon Musk, so we can compare and contrast the approaches to business. Yesterday vs Today. That's the talk I'd love to see!
Americans have been brainwashed into believing Bigger is Better. Trying to get them to accept an EV with less than a 300 mile range is going to be miraculous.
It's just a matter of time, which really means experience. Once you know someone who is having no problem driving an EV with a moderate range you'll figure it out. And just think about all the households which have more than one car. How many take really long trips on the same day?
@@bobwallace9753 That is the sanest, most intelligent comment I have read regarding EVs. Thank you! 👍👍
@@2cartalkers You just need to talk to people who take long trips, stop to take a whiz every 2 hours and charge a bit, and repeat until you get there. Then plug in for the night at a hotel.
@@2cartalkers pssst. FYI the avg. American drives less than 40 miles a day. Range anxiety is a BIG OIL lie!
When EVs become popular Americans decided we're a nomadic society.
It’s nice to see the turnaround because Bob Lutz only a few years ago was hating on EV‘s with a passion.
Still a bit of hate.
He’s still ignorant as fuck 😂
Now he just hates them as a hobby
The time it takes to charge an EV is 30 seconds for most EV owners. 30 seconds to plug it in when you get home and when you wake up in the morning you have a full battery pack. Most people's daily commute is only 20 - 30 miles. So a cheap used EV with 100 miles of range would suit most people. Here in the UK you can buy a used EV with 100 miles of range for as little as £5k. For 200 miles of range will cost approx £10k. We just bought a used Kia Soul EV with 250 miles of range for only £14k. Even Bob Lutz has electricity in his home and charges his EV overnight - so the anti EV FUD he never stops spouting is totally false - waiting at a charging station in a queue to charge is not the norm - charging at home over night IS the norm. I did a long road trip the other day to an antique fair 100 miles away from home. I never stopped to charge at all as my China made Tesla Model Y has 300+ miles of range. If I drove to Blackpool 245 miles away from Reading then I would still make it without having to stop to charge - I would have to stop once for a comfort break. Lucid Air has a range of over 500 miles - but is not available here in the UK yet. Lucid Air is available in the USA for $69k and used ones are obviously a lot cheaper. EVs should last longer than ICE vehicles as they have very few moving parts - around 20 compared to 2000 in an ICE vehicle.
TL;DR. Most people live in apartments so can't charge at home. I know one guy with an Hyundai Ioniq 5 EV that will never buy another EV. His insurance company won't let him park it in his garage or install a 220 Volt outlet on the outside of his house for charging. Most of the time the vehicle never gets fully charged, especially in winter when so much electricity is diverted to keeping the battery from freezing. He's aged years in the 9 months he's owned the car.
@@bunsw2070 I lived in an apartment in LA for almost 2 years and only had a 110v plug for every day charging. It was fine. The answer is more government and more regulation. If you rent, you must have charging available.
It takes me less than 5 seconds since I installed my charger right where I park at home 😄. It beats the ten minutes or so it would take me to divert and fuel up every week.
@@bunsw2070sounds like your friends insurance company is a bunch of fucking morons
In 5 years with multiple Teslas - and other European EVs - and more than 300.000 km all across Europe with my company cars we had to wait once for about 5 minutes in Olomouc on a Model S finishing his charging. And once, in Poland, we had to search for a public fast charger because the next supercharger was too far away.
No food lure for Bob Lutz this time?...last time he ate thru the entire show.
He has that tray beside him ,I was waiting for a plater of food to come out for him to munch on like last time.lol
Always enjoy listening to Mr Lutz
Can someone tell mr nutz here , byd produce 70% to 80% of the the car in house.
Cars made in america are assembled with outsource parts.. 😆
Same goes for Tesla, the important parts are made in-house.
If everyone in Detroit thinks like Bob Lutz, Detroit is toast.
How is the Cybertruck a catastrophic mistake if Tesla sold more than almost all EV trucks combined and those had a head start?
Excellent video. Just not long enough. Cheers!!!
I am about half way through this podcast and must say that they have said very little about Tesla which is the MOST American built vehicle in America. Not bleeding money and having $23 Billion in available cash. This is trivial compared to the approximately $90 Billion loss which Bob Lutz achieved.
CyberTruck selling quite well. Not sure why these guys were snickering at its mention.
Cybertruck now selling more than all other electric trucks combined. Wait until they start bringing the price down.
@@richardkule9384
Even comparing it to VW’s diesel gate! Insane
Tesla hasn't released sales numbers by model , you have no idea how well they are selling. They are piled up in Texas I see them everyday and the number gets bigger every week. The 2 million pre-orders was BS . Never existed.
@@johnnyforeigner11Proving the market for electric pickups is small and outselling the rest isn't that big a deal. They sell in snowflake occupied cities .
@@johnnyforeigner11
Your comment aged quite well, sir! ❤️
About a year ago Bob Lutz pointed out that while Tesla had been a leader in innovation and sales, the technology behind electric vehicles was becoming widely available to other automakers. He indicated that without unique technological advantages, Tesla would eventually be viewed as just another car manufacturer among many, leading to a more modest stock market valuation. He was so wrong. Lithium battery prices have fallen by more than 80% and some companies are now given a lifetime warranty on the battery. After 120 years Innovation on ICE vehicles has now come to an end. The EV story is just starting. The Tesla Model Y was the best selling vehicle in the world in 2023 and will probably attain the same position in 2024. The recently introduced Cyber Truck is already selling better than all other EV trucks combined in the USA. Contrary to Bob's prediction Tesla's lead is just increasing more and more. Ask yourself a few questions;
Which Auto company has just installed the largest AI training computer n the world ? Which Auto company has it's own Lithium refinery?
Which Auto company has just produced 100 millionth lithium cell in USA? Which Auto company is leading in Full Self Driving and has the computers already installed in 7 million cars which can be switched on at any time and will just result in huge bottom line profits? Which company did Herbert Diess CEO of Volkswagen say was building cars more than 3 times as fast as Volkswagen? (The implications of this statement are actually profound. - It means that to achieve the same output Volkswagen needs 3 factories instead of just one) Which Auto Company has a leader that has successfully launched and landed 351 rockets into orbit and back to earth? No other country or private company has managed to achieve this yet. Elon Musk is the Maestro of Emerging Technologies and Tesla is certainly NOT just another car company. No Bob, you are very very wrong.
Why do these conversations always ignore Tesla and the Supercharger network? I drive my Tesla across the country all the time. I can charge at about 10 miles a minute at a Supercharger.
The same Bob Lutz who declared Tesla will be bankrupted, sunk by big boys with their own "Tesla killer" EVs in 2014? 😂
Excelent interview with brilliant Mr. Bob Lutz. Lee Iacocca should had nominated Bob Lutz instead of Eaton, maybe Chrysler Corporation would be in a better position today and would of never had to merge with Mercedez Benz at the time.
Bob push half heartedly the GM VOLT. A good product ahead of its time
If you are going to fully charge an EV in 7 minutes, you should just drive an ICE. My wife and I have made 20+ 5000 mile trips all over the country and charging has never been an issue. Up to 800 miles in a single day.
Always love Bobs stories about Ford and GM.
Well, unlike most of the commenters on here. I really enjoyed today's show. Lutz is a legend, despite all the naysayers. Thanks for having him on .
He's not dull by any means. I don't agree with everything he says but he's certainly engaging! Love to see the cigar in his pocket still after all this time.. It is his signature accessary after all..
Keep in mind that 100% of power generation in Norway is Hydroelectric so the American issue Bob Lutz refereed to as just changing where the CO2 is emitted is shifted is not an issue.
Greatest episode in five years!
Thank you.
Gary how can you put Dieselgate and the Cybertruck in the same sentence. They are nothing a like.
Great show, great guest!
Long live M.Lutz! Always a pleasure hearing your views on things! Straight shooter as always!
@@theadvocate4698 but dumb as heck on 21st century tech!
I would love to hear more about the technicians in the dealerships that are tasked with fixing these vehicles. It all rolls back downhill to the dealership service department.
Bob Lutz is an engaging character - no doubt. But - saying that Legacy should emphasise large, highly profitable trucks ? But, Bob, after a certain amount of sales - no-one else can afford them - and now Cybertruck is eating their lunch...
Have a Model y and just did a 1500 mile trip with no issues. Average charging time was 20-25minutes. Never waited in line . The big cities had less charges but just took a bit of planning
Bob may be 92 years old and not completely up on Evies in 2024, but there are definitely some (golden nuggets) in this video! He seems like a pretty cool guy
Awesome to see both guests!
Who was that other guy they brought on the show to listen to Bob Lutz?
Keebler, he should be on by himself so he could get a word in without the mis-info god
I really don't get why people put Lutz on a pedestal. You see the products that came out from GM during his tenure? Not to mention driving GM into bankruptcy. He was also totally wrong about Tesla. This guy shouldnt be steering the ship he should be cleaning it.
And what are your great accomplishments ?
I am not the one being placed on a pedestal.
Bob Lutz remains sharp as a tack and his assessments of the automotive industry are spot on. As a VP in healthcare, I can say that many of Mr. Lutz’s constructive leadership ideas are transferable to industries outside of automotive. Nice interview!
Bob forgot to put his socks on this morning
We shouldn't be subject to that display. That is viewer abuse.
@@richardkule9384 agree 100%
If you give Bob snacks .....he'll show up
Hybrids are a band aid, not a long term solution.
Hybrids are a great compromise for 2009
@@rp9674 Yes because EV back then were very bad.
I had to check the date on the video. This guy is living in 2015.
Bob will never learn.
Why learn when you can rewrite history
Out of the ~170k km I've put on my Volt only 8k or so was in HEV mode (occasional road trip or long day out in town), the rest is in BEV mode, and I still have about 90% battery life (GM way overbuilt the cooling and buffer for the battery), glad to know the car will pretty much last forever! And that's with a battery that only gets about 60 - 70 km or so of range depending on driving conditions no need to hoard hundreds of km worth of batteries to essentially drive emissions free if you can charge daily.
Unfortunately most of our economic policies have been created by politicians on both sides and not statesmen.
Lutz is so out of touch. Everything he said about EVs is outdated.
i just wrote the same...
Are you saying that EV s won’t dominate in 5 years? They don’t dominate right now. I guess there are always negative people.
Yeah, sounds like he was talking about an early Chevy Bolt and projecting that on all of the EVs
Norway - Look at the trend - 94% EV sales in August. It is ridiculous to base your forecast on % presently on the road.
After just one month it is illegal to register new ICE cars (ICE trucks in 2030) in Norway - did Gary not know that, or why does he gaslight the audience?
I cant wait for next weeks show
This man is so sharp for 92 years old. Unbelievable
Really great video! Thanks!
I appreciate Bob's support of the development of the Chevy Volt, and as a 19 year owner of a 2004 GTO importing the Holden Monaro as the GTO, however, when Bob stated the it takes 8 hrs to charge an EV and only get 80miles of range was way out of touch and you guys should have fact checked him. Charging at home on level 2 may well take 8hrs or more but even fast charging a Hummer will give you more than 80 miles in an hour. Sorry, I respect Bob and all his automotive successes but as a Chevy Spark EV owner also, I don't get why GM killed the Bolt and Volt both which were way ahead of the curve. While I get SUVs and pickups are best profit earners, thanks to the Bush incentives, blaming EPA for unrealistic mileage goals and ignoring that cars and trucks are unnecessarily large and continually getting bigger and heavier, is a sad point.
It's using gas station thinking to make EVs look bad, He also mentioned plug-in when you get home. There's so many people with a fantasy of their life being a nomad, lifestyle vehicles, off-roading.
Auto companies tell us what we want, media reports on it as if it's fact. Autoline could give awareness of practical options instead of just reporting on what we supposedly want
Here in the UK when people say "the charging infrastructure isn't ready yet" I always amaze them by saying "There are more EV charging stations than petrol stations. Plus you can charge anywhere where there is electricity - anywhere that has a 3 pin plug socket. Most EV owners charge overnight when they are asleep. If you have solar on your roof then you can charge for free directly from the sun. It used to cost me £75 to fill up my old diesel car but my Tesla is only £25 to fill up at a Tesla supercharger - or cheaper when I fill up at home over night". As of May 2024, there are more public electric vehicle (EV) charging points than petrol stations in the UK: EV charging points: 62,536 public charging points Petrol stations: 8,353 at the end of 2023.
""There are more EV charging stations than petrol stations. So you're just lying to them?
Petrol doesn't take hours to fill up. And the petrol pump actually works when you need it.
@@rwdplz1 196,643 USA retail gas stations and declining - and 163,753 public chargers and growing rapidly. Tesla L3 charger manufacturing capacity is 10,000 a year at only $10,000 - $60.000 a unit for hardware and installation. Decommissioning of a gas facility is way over a million per site.
In urban areas there are usually more chargers than gas stations. Manhattan 52 in 2008 down to 31 in 2017, but 56 public charging station ports (Level 2 and Level 3) within 15km. San Francisco down 40% in the last ten years, or downtown Vancouver, complete absence of downtown gas stations.
A 2019 report by BCG predicts that 80% of conventional gas stations could be out of business by 2035.
@@rwdplz1 Everywhere there is an outlet there is a charging station. In 2 years i have only needed a super charger about 10 times. I went to visit my brother at Christmas time. There are no charging stations within 40 miles of him. I plugged in to an outlet on his porch and charged while I was there. I didn't need to, I had enough to drive the 110 miles home. It just seemed like the prudent thing to do. It costs me $0.07 per mile to drive my EV @ $0.21 Kwh.
@@bunsw2070 The last time I spent anytime charging my car was December 26th. It cost me less than $9 and took 17 minutes to charge. So in 8+ months I've spent 17 minutes fueling my car. How long have you spent pumping gas? I get out of my car, plug it in and go in the house. When I go anywhere I walk to the car, unplug as I go past, and drive away. How much time do you spend charging your cell phone? You plug it in and when you need it you unplug it and drop it in your pocket or whatever.
I've traveled 50,000 miles in my MY in the last 18 months. Charging has NEVER been a problem. Mr. Lutz is typical of people who don't understand (or fear) charging on the road. Also, as of this comment, GM now has access to Tesla chargers, which is great news and will help to alleviate this fear of road tripping.
How is Keebler equating the Cybertruck to Diesel Gate?
Bob Lutz was in charge of GM from 2001 when it filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy on June 1, 2009, marking one of the largest bankruptcies in U.S. history. Approximately $82.29 billion in assets and liabilities of about $172.81 billion at the time of filing. Don't think that he has much credibility.
First off, McElroy needs to stop interrupting his guests and let them talk. I was going bananas for the first 10 minutes or so watching him constantly interrupt Lutz. I worked as a studio engineer at GM when Lutz came on board and it was nothing short of a revelation watching this man lead. I remember him looking at the Buick Regal, all done in clay with tooling being built. He said, "It stinks. We're going to make the windshield faster, slam the roof and add more tumblehome (curvature) to the side glass." This was basically starting over. That car became the first LaCrosse, which was beautiful. He created the Pontiac Solstice. I remember his speeches in the Design dome were filled to capacity. He was introduced on a Friday at 5pm and the place was packed. He brought inspiration and hope to a lot of long-suffering car nuts. We loved it when he flew in with his helicopter. However, there were more than a few senior executives who did not like the authority and popularity that Bob had. Too freaking bad! Bob was a throwback to the great GM executives who simply had that indefinable something that knew what would work. He spoke plainly and eloquently. I wish he was ten years younger and would take over Chrysler!
It wouldn't be a conversation it'd be a speech, a lot of us would tune out if the misinformation when unchecked
Bob, consistently wrong about Tesla for years. 😀
No, it's that too many chargers are broken. Or that the charging startup process is a mess.
Thermodynamics of the atmosphere will not wait for businesses to catch up. The very same business that deliberately slowed down the transition to electrification. Instead of complaining about what is missing campaign for solutions.
It's taboo to speak about the environment, but we can report on the weather related tragedies
I took a trip from Virginia to Niagara Falls this month, and back, using my Tesla adapter with my Ford. The Tesla chargers I stopped at had many many open stations. They all worked and were pretty fast. It was great. Doing the same trip last year on the EA network? It Stunk.
I’m happy 😊 to hear that! How long did you spend charging 20-80% ? And what size is your battery.
This is one of the most constructive comments on this video, thanks
@@uselessfacts-nd7pj I have the extended-range battery = 131 kWh. 20-80% usually is about 40 minutes, slightly less, or more, depending on outside of temperature. Note the Ford Lightning charging speed is limited by Ford. About 165 kWh is your peak and then it moves down to about 125 kWh, but at 80% it is throttled down to about 80 kWhs. So you charge to 80%, unplug and go. If Ford increases the charge speed on its Gen2 Lightning, and can cut it to 20 minutes to go from 20-80%, game changer.
@@billsrelectricthat’s about the same as my old gen 1 model X. Charging at a 150kw max speed. My rule is if the car is charging slower than about 80 mph its time to go to the next charging station . Once NACS is available to all its not really an issue at all .
This is one hour of WEIRD OLD BOB yelling at clouds.
Great conversation with rigor, thanks.
Excellent. Especially comments that lagacy auto have to become slim and fit in corporate structure and decission makong (or die/become irrelevant)
You don’t think China has an advantage with a $2 hour labor rate? All the suppliers have a similar labor rate, along with 90% reduction in energy costs, unlimited cheap Capital.
They are also relying more and more on robotics in their manufacturing since they don't have luddite labor unions holding back their progress. They have auto factories where the cars are put together almost entirely by automation in one form or another. Pretty sure Tesla will be the first (and most probably only) US automaker to do the same.
17:40 "I don't have all of the facts." This is why you should get Tony Seba on the show instead, he has facts, all of them. Per Seba, Lutz is exactly part of the "experts" that does not see the disruption happening.
Ben sullins, Michael Bernard
Bob Lutz is bragging about how easy it is to make correct decisions. I wonder how many of these "correct" decisions are needed to result in a $90 Billion loss. Is it a straight line or exponential ????
Always interesting Bob. Think Cybertruck will be a phenomenon.
Didn't think lutz was still alive
Same. I thought Elon finished him off.
@@ultrastoat3298 that's why he is not driving a Tesla ,he is like Bill gates
yep...super old and still sharper than you'll ever be
Me either
He has been dead in the head since the day he was born.
Bob Lutz feels that Mary Barra is highly successful. Is he basing this on losses achieved and publicly announced targets being met. The SEC should be looking into her statements.
In January 2021, Mary Barra announced plans for GM to introduce 30 new EV models by 2025 and emphasized that the company was investing $27 billion in electric and autonomous vehicle development. Barra stated, "This is how we will win," indicating a strategic pivot aimed at positioning GM as a leader in the mass-market electric vehicle segment, potentially surpassing Tesla in that regard.
2025 is only 3 months away !!!!!!!!!!!
I am now 9 minutes into the video and I am switching off now, bye Bob 🤣you´re done
Lutz, retire so we can remember how great you were. Please
Bob, here in the UK, we’ve closed our last coal fired powered station and let’s face it and until then, we (and anyone else burning stuff) are still in the steam age as that’s how it’s been working. Any drawbacks with Electrification are purely about timing. Battery tech is in its infancy and when energy density and discharging improves, batteries will get smaller and lighter while delivering more miles. Plus, legacy OEMs are still designing huge inefficient vehicles with fat tyres, look at an i3 to see how far one can travel per kg of weight.
They need to get Ben Sullins on one of these discussions.
I just finished watching his video.
It would be nice to have an intelligent counter argument to some of the nonsense.
Yes!
Or Michael Bernard
Jack - I dispute your diesel gate association with the Cyber truck comment. You were probably there at GM when I worked there trying to make GM powertrain a better development platform. You may not like the CT but the technology will bury GM if they don’t adapt.
...a show like this is better than any late-night offering on a major network....