From another point of view, it really was in Winters' character, because he always cared for his men and took initiative in decision making, trying to save their lives. Brace yourselves for the next one. Can't wait.
Here's the obligatory comment about how they took liberties with Webster when it came to writing this episode. The men were actually happy to have him back, and since he was in a hospital back in England it would've been logistically impossible for him to go AWOL and make his way back to Easy.
@@GrumpyOldGuyPlaysGames But not with Easy Company under Sobel. Webster got transferred from Fox to Easy after D-Day. Sure, he was still a Toccoa man (since Fox got the same training as Easy) and fought in Normandy so technically he was there from the beginning. But I would argue there was a special bond between the men who had to endure Sobels training. They bonded because of Sobel, because they all "hated" him.
I don't know, when they were talking about how Winter's faking the second patrol was out of character because he is by the book, I disagree. Throughout the show Winter's has shown that he cared A LOT about his men and that he puts himself in harms way to protect them. This situation was no different, as he is putting his neck on the line for them just in a different way
Webster throwing himself on the ground , Malarkey ducking and Speirs just standing and staring, like he was totally not impressed, at the missile is my fave part of the ep.
One thing to know about Cobb. Before he was in the airborne, he was in an armored division and fought in tanks in North Africa during 42/43. He was wounded and was going to be sent back from the front. He was loaded onto a ship with other wounded and sailed but en route, the ship he was on was torpedoed and sunk by an enemy submarine. He ended up being plucked out of the water by friendlies, and eventually joined the Airborne. Cobb had already seen quite a bit of shit by this time, much more action than anyone else in Easy.
Webster is really important for the Ambrose book. Much of his correspondence with his parents and his diary is used. PLEASE read the book afterwards. It expands the journey 100x and also makes you realise just how accurate the show is.
Fact about this episode: Easy didn't really criticize Webster for his absence during Bastogne. Infact they are glad and relief that he and the rest wasn't there because they didnt want to see more of their comrades die in the battlefield, Webster even wrote that in his own book. They just did that to give the show a little drama... Can't wait for Episode 9... Literally made me tear up!
@@lia53233 it's been stated by people who knew them both that Malarkey didn't like Webster because the latter was from a wealthy and privileged background, much different than most of the other guys in the company. I have tremendous respect for Don Malarkey but his dislike of Webster may have come from an irrational place. He's the only one I've ever heard of feeling that way about Web. Most of them remembered him as a guy who never volunteered, but also never let a buddy down in combat. And Webster himself, if you read his fantastic book, in no way represented himself as a hero. It's why no publishers were interested in his story when he first shopped it in the 40s - they wanted sensationalism and his memoirs didn't fit the bill.
@@BohoBunMom you guys are arguing with a dead dude. I did not even State my opinion. I stated Malarkey's opinion. He had a whole chapter about it and nowhere did he mention Webster's background.
During WWII, there were about 3 support troops very every combat trooper. There is a lot of things that need to happen in order to allow the front-line troops to be effective. Recalling the supply drop during Episode 6, just think of all the troops needed to make that happen. Troops to procure the supplies, troops to palletize the supplies, troops to load the planes, mechanics to make sure the planes were ready to fly, and the pilots making the supply drop. I was a support airman during Desert Storm. One of the things I distinctly remember are discussions about making sure mail was being delivered properly. Seems like a little thing, but it is a high priority and there are many people involved to make sure this happens.
In reality, Lt Jones didn't directly take part in the raid, he was an observer and was the one to blow the whistles to signal the MGs to open fire to provide cover. He never left germany after the war, being promoted to captain. He died following an automobile accident in 1947. Private Cobb had been in battle since Africa, 1942. His troopship was sunk on the way back by a torpedo. He joined the paratroopers, obviously, and served with Easy. He was described by other troopers as easy going, affable (until he got shitfaced on schnapps and assaulted Lt Foley, leading to his eventual discharge)
My dad fought in the Battle of the Bulge. He was in the 345th infantry regiment, Company "M", 87th "Golden Acorn" division under Gen. Patton's 2nd Army. He was part of a 4-man squad that manned a Browning .30 cal machine gun. Their regiment was a reserve unit, and as a result I don't believe he saw as much action as others. But as others have stated about relatives they talk to, Dad never talked much about his time in the war. I can only imagine some of the horrors he witnessed. The only thing I recall him ever talking about was when they marched into the town of Koblenz, Germany, after it had been obliterated by battle; how the local children would run up to him and the other soldiers and beg to eat out his mess kit because they were starving. That always brought tears to his eyes.
Let me add to the comments about Webster….. 1-They mentioned Popeye escaping from the hospital. Guarnere escaping. Alley escaping. Webster not escaping. Popeye escaped from an English hospital and joined the unit in England before they jumped into Holland. Guarnere & Alley also escaped while the unit was nearby. Webster was hurt worse than portrayed. It wasn’t a minor wound where he walked back to an aid station unattended and nonchalantly. That’s why he was out of action from September until February. Webster was in a hospital in England. For him to join Easy Company in Bastogne Belgium he would’ve had to escape from the English hospital, surreptitiously made his way to the English Channel, stowed away on a boat, then surreptitiously make his way 380 miles across France, Netherlands and Belgium to Bastogne. Then he would’ve had to go through enemy lines (Easy was surrounded) to get to Easy. Webster had a zero chance of success. 2-Liebgott and Webster were great friends. He was happy to see Webster. Webster did get Liebgott out of the patrol. That part is true. 3-Webster did not participate in the patrol. He was manning the machine gun that fired across the river. Other Hollywood problems….. 1-Martin did not lead the patrol. A different sergeant did. However that particular sergeant was never portrayed in the miniseries so the script writers gave the job to Martin. 2-Looked like Jones was there for just a couple of days. He was actually with Easy for a few months. 3-Sink gave the order for the 2nd patrol while drunk. Winters knew from experience that when Sink gave verbal orders when drunk he would totally forget that such orders were given once he was sober. Not doing the 2nd patrol was easier than portrayed. 4-In the scene where Nixon is giving Winters the oak leave clusters insignia of a Major you can see Cobb in the background being escorted into a jeep by the MPs. Nice realism. He was being charged with striking Lt Foley while drunk. Remember the scene where a drunken Cobb mouths off to Webster and Lt Jones? It was actually Lt Foley who went on the patrol and it was Foley who Cobb mouthed off to and eventually took a swing at. Sink unofficially reprimanded Foley for not doing everyone a favor by shooting Cobb.
@@Arjay404 I was thinkin about that, but yes and no. Oak will appreciate the episode just like everyone else, probably will hit him hard as it has all of us, but he will appreciate the effort and talent the developers of that episode did to make all that come to life
In Winters book that was published after the series was released; he said he considered Sink's order an unlawful one because Sink had been drinking and wasn't making sound decisions.
Liebgott and Webster were really close. Liebgott was very happy to see him. There was no conflict or disinterest. Webster, unlike a lot of the other guys was in the hospital in England. There was no way for him to return. They actually shot the German they left on the bank. Webster HATED officers. The only one he tolerated was Winters. So, liberties taken with this one. Tom Hanks son, Colin, did a nice job here as Lt. Jones.
Given that Tom hanks co-produced this after (or perhaps before) Saving Private Ryan, it's not surprising that he gave his son a casting bump cameo for those role... personally i think Tom did it not only to enhance Colin's Hollywood exposure, but to expose his son to the camaraderie and visceral fears of battle by partaking in the remaking of such a historic war. WWII was in many ways, a truly heroic calling for Americans in liberating the innocent global victims from the epitome of evil tyranny in Hitler, as compared to more recent Middle Eastern wars, Korean War, or Vietnam War, which were more driven by political ideologies or securing oil.
Winters had one of the fastest rise in promotions in US Military history i think. Started D-Day as a Lieutenant and finished the war as a Major, and had he stayed probably could've made General
Fast, yes - but one of his Toccoa peers, Clarence Hester (also an OCS 2nd Lt, and Sobel's original XO) made Major before D-Day, becoming a a Lt. Colonel and Battalion CO before the end of the war.
@@xplane2me This may be ignorance on my part, but how do you make Major before D-Day without being someone who is basically guaranteed to rise through the ranks (assumably because of your class, education, family connections or a combination of these)? I'm not sure at what rank you start avoiding the front lines of war in WW2, but Winters became a lot safer after his promotion to Captain seemingly if the show is anything to go by.
Something you may have missed about Cobb is at the end as Easy is pulling out of Haganeau. You'll see him being driven off in a Jeep. That's because IRL he was on his way to his court marshal. Apparently, he got drunk, mouthed off, and tried to punch to Lt. Foley, not Jones. Lt. Foley is played by Jamie Bamber from Battlestar Galactica reboot. (I don't remember anyone pointing this out)
Saying about talking about people who were there, obviously now, almost nobody is left. However, I live in France, and my neighbour is 94 and originally from Paris. I chatted to her once about the war. She said she worked in a cafe when she was 13 and can remember serving German soldiers, and then Britis and Americans following liberation.
That scene of easy company going across enemy lines to capture German soldiers was intensely incredible with sound/visuals & can totally understand why winters disobeyed that order as he wanted to keep his men alive/morale up & well deserved promotion for Winters too & Interesting seeing from Jones & Webster's perspective & how both being held in contempt by others at first, but by end of episode both become respected by them.
The actors talk about how the guys wouldn't talk about themselves, but would not shut up about the other guys. Wahlberg says he had to talk to other guys to get info on Lipton. Richard speight Jr took the time to find Mucks family in Tonawanda and they didn't even know he was in the book or what had happened to him. He hooked em up and got a congressman involved to get his medals back to his family. He was also able to get the story about swimming the Niagara in the show with his sister and sweet Fay Tanner.... He still keeps in touch with his family and had one of them on his Kings of Con podcast.... A million great stories out there if you can find em😊
It's strange how they chose to portray Webster in this episode. In Webster's wartime diary, he made note of six or seven guys that welcomed him back warmly. He also stated how shocked and heartbroken he was to see how depleted Easy comapny was, so many men he knew were gone. He said he almost broke down in tears over it. Also, Webster didn't even go on this patrol. Forrest Guth was the interpreter that was on this patrol. Webster was actually manning a machine gun covering their withdrawal back across the river.
I think becse he did rejoin after Bastonge they chose him to portray a real experience of the oddness of rejoining a fighting unit after missing time esp an intensely difficult, bonding one.
It’s bizarre how Forrest Guth was written out of the show, he played such a big part, was involved in every big engagement, and they even filmed a part for him in the show but wrote him out in post production. He’s heavily mentioned in the BOB book and many other of the men’s accounts of the war.
I’m glad lt. Jones was portrayed as fairly competent. Green but competent. Given a year or 2 of combat experience he could develop into a extremely effective leader. Glad they didn’t go the “fresh young incompetent officer” thing
Ron Livingston (Nixon) made a behind the scenes video diary when the cast was in boot camp training with Captain Dale Dye. Its excellent. Hope you all check it out when the series is done. Gives you a real idea of how they prepped for their roles as members of the Airborne. At one point, it could be found on RUclips.
Another great episode. Really shows how certain people are willing to do anything, even sacrifice their own men for a promotion. Yet it also shows how good people will come forward and do whats right in dire times. Great reaction guys !
So I don't think I've seen it commented, but Webster never crossed the river. Forest Guth was actually the translator who crossed the river. It's out of Forest's book In the footsteps of the band of brothers. A fantastic book to read
Great reactions. This is my all time favorite mini-series. Its always fun to hear peoples takes on episodes. This one is near the bottom to me, not that its bad, just not a favorite, but every time I watch it I appreciate it a little more.
Andrew-Lee Potts aka Eugene E. Jackson (the soldier who killed himself with the grenade) is from Bradford, roughly 1 mile South of me. Peaky Blinders (2023-2022) and Peaky Blinders: The Immortal Man (2025) are just a couple of the many productions filmed mainly within 1.5 to 2 miles North of me.
Cobb wasn’t an asshole in real life it’s just these few events were misinterpreted by the guys who were asking about him, he was a normal guy that fought before Easy Company with the regular units in North Africa 1942 then transferred to the 101st Airborne so his drinking incident was just him reaching the breaking point
You guys should watch Generation War. It’s one of the best war series made in Germany, with German actors, showing the German perspective of the war. It's really good!
Yeah make sure you give them a heads up on that, it's very important to tell them what to expect in movies, you know, just like we had a heads up first time watching
Winters, later in life, was invited to speak at West Point. He addressed why he disobeyed the order. Winters said he considered the order unlawful. The colonel (?) who gave the order was drunk.
In real life Cobb was drunk was arrested after assaulting Lieutenant Foley even though the series portrayed it as Cobb and Sergeant Martin arguing and for that Cobb was actually court-martial and sent home. Also instead of what the episode shows Jackson was actually killed by a German Grenade for some reason that detail in the series always bothered me.
So crazy how Colin Hank's character came in from West Point, did one quick mission, got a promotion, and then moved off from the front line to safety. Completly different experience than the guys who landed on D-day.
Tom Hanks even enlisted his own son into the War.... This is when Winters essentially "Dad arms" and protects his men of Easy Company in anyway he can, even by lying to command. I love the way they express so visually the soldiers mental states by the appearance of their uniforms. Webster's guilt is what leads him to volunteer for the patrol and earn respect from the men again...and he gets it. " We few, we happy few, we band of brothers, For he today who sheds his blood with me shall be my brother..." Currahee ♠
One hard thing about watching this show is setting aside the expectation of being manipulated by the writers. I watched a reaction by a film student, and they started the show going on about plot devices, not realizing they weren't written but experienced. I think it also makes the show so much more impactful, since it doesn't follow the rules of writing. For example, almost everybody expects Lt. Jones to be a bad guy because that's the trope.
I’ve always loved the final interaction between Jones and Webster, the silent nod. I’ve always interpreted it as since they were both treated as newbies (even though as the comments have brought to my attention this episode took liberties with Webster) they both helped each other out. Webster telling Jones to volunteer for the patrol instead of Malarkey so he could “get his OD’s dirty” and prove he could be a leader and Jones defending Webster when Cobb gives him crap. The silent nod was their way of saying thanks. And, like plenty of others have said, get ready for the next episode. I’ve seen this whole series and seen reactions to this series and NO ONE is ready for episode 9
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The truth about Webster. He was wounded at the crossroads. Plan was unit goes back to England for next jump. Ammo, and wounded moved then the Germans broke through the Ardens and Bastogne happened. To come back for Bastogne he'd hae to swim the English Channel with a full pack.
If you look closely at the scene where Colin Hanks character tries to restrain the units mail officer because he's not used to combat situations he accidentally got headbutted in the scene and they left it in. Colin Hanks just stayed in character and didn't sell it until they yelled cut
The other thing to note about Cobb (other than emwungarand's comment) is that you see at the end he's in an MP jeep because he had been placed under arrest (ostensibly after his drunken incident earlier in the episode).
When Webster closes the door and the camera pans out towards the end. Cobb is sitting in the jeep in the background. He was arrested by the mp's . He punch an officer when he was drunk. I believe he received a dishonorable discharge.
You got Lt. Jones wrong at the end there. His reputation was that he was seen as someone who had the potential to become as good an officer as Winters. He got himself a transfer back to a combat unit very quickly but, tragically, died in a traffic accident early in the occupation of Germany. Though his journals were used as the basis of this episode Webster never went on that patrol; Liebgott did, and he was welcomed back into the unit, rather than a little shunned when he returned. He was actually from a very well-off family, but refused the chance to given a commission because he wanted to serve as an ordinary trooper. He jumped with Dog Company on D-day and transferred to Easy, after their return to Aldbourne. Cobb earned himself a dishonourable discharge for being drunk and disobeying direct orders from a Lt (not portrayed in the series); allegedly Sink is supposed to have said, ''You should have shot the Sonuvabitch.'' He'd served in North Africa before joining the Airborne; can't help but wonder if, like Dike, the unrelenting combat finally got the best of him. kerk
The next episode is going to break you guys who haven't seen it. It's the most incredible episode of the series in my opinion, but it's also the most heartbreaking. On a positive note, though, one of the funniest conversations of the whole show is in the next episode as well.
An interesting detail towards the end when they all pull off the line27:52: We see Cobb in the background being escorted away in a vehicle full of MP's, presumably for being drunk.
@@FrenchieQc yeah. Took me several watches of this episode to notice that going on in the background. interesting detail to add but not have explicitly talked about
Yes that did happen but the series portrayed Cobb as a constant surly jerk when he actually wasn't. They completely changed his character from who he was was in real life.
@@FrenchieQc Yeah, col. Sink even reprimanded Lt. Foley for not shooting him on the spot (Col. Sink didn't like insubordination or revolt against superior officers), he even said: "You should have spared the crap of the court martial, and put a bullet in his head", something along these lines...
Please be sure to also react to the accompanying HBO documentary "We Stand Alone Together" - which serves as a perfect capstone or "episode 11" of the series. Lots more from all the then-living vets with tons of context for all aspects shown in the miniseries. Plus archival footage, and some info on their post-war lives. A must do! Webster was a writer (you see him writing in some of the episodes) and his memoir / book about the war was a supplementary source for the miniseries along withy Ambrose's book. As others have noted, Web was well liked and they didn't resent him as he was badly wounded in Holland and was hospitalized and re-habbed back in the UK. So no way he could break out like Popeye or Toye etc. Lt Jones stayed with the company longer than portrayed and was respected. Sadly he died in a Jeep accident post-war in Europe. Cobb was a drunk and probably dealing with PTSD. He had served before Easy - in 1st Armored in North Africa and his troop ship on the way home was torpedoed and he survived. He was ultimately court martialed - you can see him being taken away in the background of this episode - foreign drunk and assaulting Lt Foley. During processing for the court-martial, a frustrated Colonel Sink told Foley "You could have saved us all a lot of trouble. You should have shot him."
If i remember correctly webster was pretty badly wounded in real life and sent to a hospital in England and couldn't just pop up and leave to go back to them like popeye and garnear and toy
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This is probably my least favorite episode of Band of Brothers. I felt that they made some of the men of Easy look like A-holes. And I liked it even less when I found out that Webster was not treated like they portrayed and didn't have a lot to do with the patrol. Narratively, I have a hard time understanding this fictionalization. But I think I may know where the writers may have gotten the inspiration for Webster's tension filled reunion. I recently watched "War & Truth" youtube channel and apparently a couple of Easy company soldiers who where reading drafts of the book, wrote to Ambrose disagreeing with how much Webster was in the book, because he "wasn't there much." Especially since while Webster trained in Toccoa was with different companies and didn't join Easy until Market Garden.
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Just gonna say it was the 506 my uncle was there at the anti tank battalion as a medic. Spent his last years with him also with my grandparents.... that who i am and i work all the time abd hardly sleep i nap. I dont watch your videos i have a mariene headset i listen as i work. 18 hrs a day. I make food walk dog day trade take care of parents about 2 times a month call my nieces and nephews. There good people. Proud of them
From another point of view, it really was in Winters' character, because he always cared for his men and took initiative in decision making, trying to save their lives.
Brace yourselves for the next one. Can't wait.
Great catch on Spiers not ducking. It’s those little details and continuity of these scenes that make this series so special.
Here's the obligatory comment about how they took liberties with Webster when it came to writing this episode. The men were actually happy to have him back, and since he was in a hospital back in England it would've been logistically impossible for him to go AWOL and make his way back to Easy.
Also: I believe he was in F-Company at first but was transferred later to Easy. So he was not there from "the beginning"
@@Prodrummer1603 David Webster was a Toccoa Man, and had been there since the beginning.
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But not with Easy Company under Sobel.
Webster got transferred from Fox to Easy after D-Day. Sure, he was still a Toccoa man (since Fox got the same training as Easy) and fought in Normandy so technically he was there from the beginning. But I would argue there was a special bond between the men who had to endure Sobels training. They bonded because of Sobel, because they all "hated" him.
They were but the initial grudge due to some of day thinking he spend to much time out was real
I didn't know this, makes me love it even more. Thanks!
Cheers all
I don't know, when they were talking about how Winter's faking the second patrol was out of character because he is by the book, I disagree. Throughout the show Winter's has shown that he cared A LOT about his men and that he puts himself in harms way to protect them. This situation was no different, as he is putting his neck on the line for them just in a different way
Webster throwing himself on the ground , Malarkey ducking and Speirs just standing and staring, like he was totally not impressed, at the missile is my fave part of the ep.
ikr LOL Speirs is like "Eh just another day."
I feel like on this point he was giving points to the things that tried and failed to kill him and here? Bitch didn't even try, 3/10. Next one! xD
@@asian123205Suprised he didn't catch the shell and throw it back.
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One thing to know about Cobb. Before he was in the airborne, he was in an armored division and fought in tanks in North Africa during 42/43. He was wounded and was going to be sent back from the front. He was loaded onto a ship with other wounded and sailed but en route, the ship he was on was torpedoed and sunk by an enemy submarine. He ended up being plucked out of the water by friendlies, and eventually joined the Airborne. Cobb had already seen quite a bit of shit by this time, much more action than anyone else in Easy.
It's also worth noting that Bull had to put him in his place when he went off on the replacement for wearing the unit citation for Normandy.
Thank you, I was unaware of Private Cobb's backstory.
Webster is really important for the Ambrose book. Much of his correspondence with his parents and his diary is used.
PLEASE read the book afterwards. It expands the journey 100x and also makes you realise just how accurate the show is.
Fact about this episode: Easy didn't really criticize Webster for his absence during Bastogne. Infact they are glad and relief that he and the rest wasn't there because they didnt want to see more of their comrades die in the battlefield, Webster even wrote that in his own book. They just did that to give the show a little drama...
Can't wait for Episode 9... Literally made me tear up!
@@ArturttleistZuh you should read Malarkey's book. He thought Webster was a coward
yea that why winter did the disobeying order LOL love winter love for his soldier!
@@lia53233 it's been stated by people who knew them both that Malarkey didn't like Webster because the latter was from a wealthy and privileged background, much different than most of the other guys in the company. I have tremendous respect for Don Malarkey but his dislike of Webster may have come from an irrational place. He's the only one I've ever heard of feeling that way about Web. Most of them remembered him as a guy who never volunteered, but also never let a buddy down in combat. And Webster himself, if you read his fantastic book, in no way represented himself as a hero. It's why no publishers were interested in his story when he first shopped it in the 40s - they wanted sensationalism and his memoirs didn't fit the bill.
@@BohoBunMom you guys are arguing with a dead dude. I did not even State my opinion. I stated Malarkey's opinion. He had a whole chapter about it and nowhere did he mention Webster's background.
No he didn't. Webster wrote a book about sharks.
During WWII, there were about 3 support troops very every combat trooper. There is a lot of things that need to happen in order to allow the front-line troops to be effective. Recalling the supply drop during Episode 6, just think of all the troops needed to make that happen. Troops to procure the supplies, troops to palletize the supplies, troops to load the planes, mechanics to make sure the planes were ready to fly, and the pilots making the supply drop.
I was a support airman during Desert Storm. One of the things I distinctly remember are discussions about making sure mail was being delivered properly. Seems like a little thing, but it is a high priority and there are many people involved to make sure this happens.
In one of my units, the mail guy was screwing up. He fucked around and found out.
@@quist99 There are some things sacred to a soldier that you NEVER mess with if you're smart. In no particular order: pay, family, mail.
Same 😅here brother....
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In reality, Lt Jones didn't directly take part in the raid, he was an observer and was the one to blow the whistles to signal the MGs to open fire to provide cover.
He never left germany after the war, being promoted to captain.
He died following an automobile accident in 1947.
Private Cobb had been in battle since Africa, 1942. His troopship was sunk on the way back by a torpedo. He joined the paratroopers, obviously, and served with Easy. He was described by other troopers as easy going, affable (until he got shitfaced on schnapps and assaulted Lt Foley, leading to his eventual discharge)
My dad fought in the Battle of the Bulge. He was in the 345th infantry regiment, Company "M", 87th "Golden Acorn" division under Gen. Patton's 2nd Army. He was part of a 4-man squad that manned a Browning .30 cal machine gun. Their regiment was a reserve unit, and as a result I don't believe he saw as much action as others. But as others have stated about relatives they talk to, Dad never talked much about his time in the war. I can only imagine some of the horrors he witnessed. The only thing I recall him ever talking about was when they marched into the town of Koblenz, Germany, after it had been obliterated by battle; how the local children would run up to him and the other soldiers and beg to eat out his mess kit because they were starving. That always brought tears to his eyes.
Let me add to the comments about Webster…..
1-They mentioned Popeye escaping from the hospital. Guarnere escaping. Alley escaping. Webster not escaping.
Popeye escaped from an English hospital and joined the unit in England before they jumped into Holland. Guarnere & Alley also escaped while the unit was nearby. Webster was hurt worse than portrayed. It wasn’t a minor wound where he walked back to an aid station unattended and nonchalantly. That’s why he was out of action from September until February.
Webster was in a hospital in England. For him to join Easy Company in Bastogne Belgium he would’ve had to escape from the English hospital, surreptitiously made his way to the English Channel, stowed away on a boat, then surreptitiously make his way 380 miles across France, Netherlands and Belgium to Bastogne. Then he would’ve had to go through enemy lines (Easy was surrounded) to get to Easy. Webster had a zero chance of success.
2-Liebgott and Webster were great friends. He was happy to see Webster. Webster did get Liebgott out of the patrol. That part is true.
3-Webster did not participate in the patrol. He was manning the machine gun that fired across the river.
Other Hollywood problems…..
1-Martin did not lead the patrol. A different sergeant did. However that particular sergeant was never portrayed in the miniseries so the script writers gave the job to Martin.
2-Looked like Jones was there for just a couple of days. He was actually with Easy for a few months.
3-Sink gave the order for the 2nd patrol while drunk. Winters knew from experience that when Sink gave verbal orders when drunk he would totally forget that such orders were given once he was sober. Not doing the 2nd patrol was easier than portrayed.
4-In the scene where Nixon is giving Winters the oak leave clusters insignia of a Major you can see Cobb in the background being escorted into a jeep by the MPs. Nice realism. He was being charged with striking Lt Foley while drunk. Remember the scene where a drunken Cobb mouths off to Webster and Lt Jones? It was actually Lt Foley who went on the patrol and it was Foley who Cobb mouthed off to and eventually took a swing at. Sink unofficially reprimanded Foley for not doing everyone a favor by shooting Cobb.
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It is interesting to see the contrast between the guys who have seen too much combat and those that have not seen any combat
At 27:55 behind Webster you can see Cobb sitting in a jeep. There are 3 MPs with him. He struck a superior officer, got arrested and court martialed.
Some people may have mentioned it before at some point but please make sure to also watch the documentary "We stand alone together" after episode 10.
ruclips.net/video/8mLGYYnflxk/видео.htmlsi=Q41Yab8QtKVyei9Q Also from the National WWII Museum. The actors and wristers of the serie
The next one to come... good luck boys. You know what im talking about Mason Quinn.
I worry for The Oak in the next episode.
@@Arjay404 I was thinkin about that, but yes and no. Oak will appreciate the episode just like everyone else, probably will hit him hard as it has all of us, but he will appreciate the effort and talent the developers of that episode did to make all that come to life
Not mentioned is the 10 part HBO podcast with the producers, actors, script writers, etc. Well worth a listen on the details of the mini series
Also the Ron Livingston behind-the-scenes footage of the pre-production bootcamp.
The second patrol is my fav part of the entire series 🖖😊👍
Saw the "short-timer" effect in Vietnam. It's a natural phenomenon that, while stressful, it's better not to miss.
Fun fact - Martin is played by Dexter Fletcher, who directed that Rocketman movie about Elton John a few years ago.
Yep, he was also in Guy Ritchie's movie Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels.
And the Queen movie
In Winters book that was published after the series was released; he said he considered Sink's order an unlawful one because Sink had been drinking and wasn't making sound decisions.
The. Quad 50 was a beast. Good job gentleman.
Notice Webster still has his webbing on his helmet from the jump in Holland 😅
Liebgott and Webster were really close. Liebgott was very happy to see him. There was no conflict or disinterest. Webster, unlike a lot of the other guys was in the hospital in England. There was no way for him to return. They actually shot the German they left on the bank. Webster HATED officers. The only one he tolerated was Winters. So, liberties taken with this one. Tom Hanks son, Colin, did a nice job here as Lt. Jones.
Given that Tom hanks co-produced this after (or perhaps before) Saving Private Ryan, it's not surprising that he gave his son a casting bump cameo for those role... personally i think Tom did it not only to enhance Colin's Hollywood exposure, but to expose his son to the camaraderie and visceral fears of battle by partaking in the remaking of such a historic war. WWII was in many ways, a truly heroic calling for Americans in liberating the innocent global victims from the epitome of evil tyranny in Hitler, as compared to more recent Middle Eastern wars, Korean War, or Vietnam War, which were more driven by political ideologies or securing oil.
@@ssotkowhe also strongly resembles Jones!!!
Winters had one of the fastest rise in promotions in US Military history i think. Started D-Day as a Lieutenant and finished the war as a Major, and had he stayed probably could've made General
Fast, yes - but one of his Toccoa peers, Clarence Hester (also an OCS 2nd Lt, and Sobel's original XO) made Major before D-Day, becoming a a Lt. Colonel and Battalion CO before the end of the war.
@@xplane2me This may be ignorance on my part, but how do you make Major before D-Day without being someone who is basically guaranteed to rise through the ranks (assumably because of your class, education, family connections or a combination of these)? I'm not sure at what rank you start avoiding the front lines of war in WW2, but Winters became a lot safer after his promotion to Captain seemingly if the show is anything to go by.
Something you may have missed about Cobb is at the end as Easy is pulling out of Haganeau. You'll see him being driven off in a Jeep. That's because IRL he was on his way to his court marshal. Apparently, he got drunk, mouthed off, and tried to punch to Lt. Foley, not Jones. Lt. Foley is played by Jamie Bamber from Battlestar Galactica reboot. (I don't remember anyone pointing this out)
Saying about talking about people who were there, obviously now, almost nobody is left. However, I live in France, and my neighbour is 94 and originally from Paris. I chatted to her once about the war. She said she worked in a cafe when she was 13 and can remember serving German soldiers, and then Britis and Americans following liberation.
My uncle was at the bulge. He came home in a box. 19,000 soldiers died at the bulge.
What you missed was that Jones graduated on D-day, that's why cpt. Nixon was laughing when he heard that.
They caught it and mentioned it in the after-show discussion.
@@ranger-1214Yup, and I missed that, being busy writing this :)
@@_anubias_ Lesson learned: Don't comment until watched complete video 🙂✌
The scence of the men preparing for the assult is so captivating
That scene of easy company going across enemy lines to capture German soldiers was intensely incredible with sound/visuals & can totally understand why winters disobeyed that order as he wanted to keep his men alive/morale up & well deserved promotion for Winters too & Interesting seeing from Jones & Webster's perspective & how both being held in contempt by others at first, but by end of episode both become respected by them.
In the book it was said someone gave Sink a bottle of whiskey so he passed out early and woke up none the wiser about the 2nd patrol.
The actors talk about how the guys wouldn't talk about themselves, but would not shut up about the other guys. Wahlberg says he had to talk to other guys to get info on Lipton.
Richard speight Jr took the time to find Mucks family in Tonawanda and they didn't even know he was in the book or what had happened to him. He hooked em up and got a congressman involved to get his medals back to his family. He was also able to get the story about swimming the Niagara in the show with his sister and sweet Fay Tanner.... He still keeps in touch with his family and had one of them on his Kings of Con podcast....
A million great stories out there if you can find em😊
Oak spoke for 48 minutes. Give the man the hook. 😂
20:14 This scene says a lot about Doc. If you noticed the second he walked in it went from complete chaos to silence
It's strange how they chose to portray Webster in this episode. In Webster's wartime diary, he made note of six or seven guys that welcomed him back warmly. He also stated how shocked and heartbroken he was to see how depleted Easy comapny was, so many men he knew were gone. He said he almost broke down in tears over it.
Also, Webster didn't even go on this patrol. Forrest Guth was the interpreter that was on this patrol. Webster was actually manning a machine gun covering their withdrawal back across the river.
Had to give some internal drama for the episode I'd imagine
@@Ollie1807 ... Hollywood is still Hollywood. I still love the series though, one of my favorites.
I think becse he did rejoin after Bastonge they chose him to portray a real experience of the oddness of rejoining a fighting unit after missing time esp an intensely difficult, bonding one.
It’s bizarre how Forrest Guth was written out of the show, he played such a big part, was involved in every big engagement, and they even filmed a part for him in the show but wrote him out in post production. He’s heavily mentioned in the BOB book and many other of the men’s accounts of the war.
@@euankennedy1158 ... I don't really understand it either.
21:27 Fun fact: the German soldier left on the bank was a small cameo of Tom Hanks
definitely the most underrated episode, Webster is great
Well, prepare tissues for the next one, mates
I’m glad lt. Jones was portrayed as fairly competent. Green but competent. Given a year or 2 of combat experience he could develop into a extremely effective leader. Glad they didn’t go the “fresh young incompetent officer” thing
Ron Livingston (Nixon) made a behind the scenes video diary when the cast was in boot camp training with Captain Dale Dye. Its excellent. Hope you all check it out when the series is done. Gives you a real idea of how they prepped for their roles as members of the Airborne. At one point, it could be found on RUclips.
Another great episode. Really shows how certain people are willing to do anything, even sacrifice their own men for a promotion. Yet it also shows how good people will come forward and do whats right in dire times.
Great reaction guys !
So I don't think I've seen it commented, but Webster never crossed the river. Forest Guth was actually the translator who crossed the river. It's out of Forest's book In the footsteps of the band of brothers. A fantastic book to read
Can’t wait for your reactions to the last two episodes.
Great reactions. This is my all time favorite mini-series. Its always fun to hear peoples takes on episodes. This one is near the bottom to me, not that its bad, just not a favorite, but every time I watch it I appreciate it a little more.
Oak, the whole thing is not over in less than 3 months.
Will you also watch the sibling series? The Pacific and The Masters of the Air? Both made by Spielberg and Tom Hanks.
Andrew-Lee Potts aka Eugene E. Jackson (the soldier who killed himself with the grenade) is from Bradford, roughly 1 mile South of me.
Peaky Blinders (2023-2022) and Peaky Blinders: The Immortal Man (2025) are just a couple of the many productions filmed mainly within 1.5 to 2 miles North of me.
Cobb wasn’t an asshole in real life it’s just these few events were misinterpreted by the guys who were asking about him, he was a normal guy that fought before Easy Company with the regular units in North Africa 1942 then transferred to the 101st Airborne so his drinking incident was just him reaching the breaking point
You guys should watch Generation War. It’s one of the best war series made in Germany, with German actors, showing the German perspective of the war. It's really good!
The next episode should bring tears. I have been brought to tears every time I have seen it.
Yeah make sure you give them a heads up on that, it's very important to tell them what to expect in movies, you know, just like we had a heads up first time watching
@@MoMoMyPup10 I didn't say why so no spoiler alert been breached
@MoMoMyPup10 Actually they've probably already seen it as these are taped well in advance and finished the Series.
@@kevin982 Why do you feel it's important to say anything about it? Can't they be surprised they cried?
@@MoMoMyPup10 One because and two, they don't read the comments.
Winters, later in life, was invited to speak at West Point. He addressed why he disobeyed the order. Winters said he considered the order unlawful. The colonel (?) who gave the order was drunk.
In real life Cobb was drunk was arrested after assaulting Lieutenant Foley even though the series portrayed it as Cobb and Sergeant Martin arguing and for that Cobb was actually court-martial and sent home. Also instead of what the episode shows Jackson was actually killed by a German Grenade for some reason that detail in the series always bothered me.
These guys aren't ready for Why We Fight...
So crazy how Colin Hank's character came in from West Point, did one quick mission, got a promotion, and then moved off from the front line to safety.
Completly different experience than the guys who landed on D-day.
Wasn't portrayed correctly.
He was actually with easy for over 2 months.
Tom Hanks even enlisted his own son into the War.... This is when Winters essentially "Dad arms" and protects his men of Easy Company in anyway he can, even by lying to command. I love the way they express so visually the soldiers mental states by the appearance of their uniforms. Webster's guilt is what leads him to volunteer for the patrol and earn respect from the men again...and he gets it. " We few, we happy few, we band of brothers, For he today who sheds his blood with me shall be my brother..."
Currahee ♠
One of the greatest show of all time... Just wanna say, without spoilers, get ready guys, the next one will hit you hard....
One hard thing about watching this show is setting aside the expectation of being manipulated by the writers. I watched a reaction by a film student, and they started the show going on about plot devices, not realizing they weren't written but experienced. I think it also makes the show so much more impactful, since it doesn't follow the rules of writing. For example, almost everybody expects Lt. Jones to be a bad guy because that's the trope.
I’ve always loved the final interaction between Jones and Webster, the silent nod. I’ve always interpreted it as since they were both treated as newbies (even though as the comments have brought to my attention this episode took liberties with Webster) they both helped each other out. Webster telling Jones to volunteer for the patrol instead of Malarkey so he could “get his OD’s dirty” and prove he could be a leader and Jones defending Webster when Cobb gives him crap. The silent nod was their way of saying thanks.
And, like plenty of others have said, get ready for the next episode. I’ve seen this whole series and seen reactions to this series and NO ONE is ready for episode 9
I am already dreading the penultimate episode...
How about reacting to WEIRD THE AL YANKOVIC STORY? This movie is laugh out loud good. It's funnier than Tommy Boy and Happy Gilmore combined. Daniel Radcliffe deserved an Oscar for his portrayal of WEIRD AL. 🤞✌️
The truth about Webster. He was wounded at the crossroads. Plan was unit goes back to England for next jump. Ammo, and wounded moved then the Germans broke through the Ardens and Bastogne happened. To come back for Bastogne he'd hae to swim the English Channel with a full pack.
The other issue with doing a second raid.. you know the Germans increased the guards and were going to be more alert.
If you look closely at the scene where Colin Hanks character tries to restrain the units mail officer because he's not used to combat situations he accidentally got headbutted in the scene and they left it in.
Colin Hanks just stayed in character and didn't sell it until they yelled cut
The other thing to note about Cobb (other than emwungarand's comment) is that you see at the end he's in an MP jeep because he had been placed under arrest (ostensibly after his drunken incident earlier in the episode).
When Webster closes the door and the camera pans out towards the end. Cobb is sitting in the jeep in the background. He was arrested by the mp's . He punch an officer when he was drunk. I believe he received a dishonorable discharge.
Love this series. My boyfriend made me watch it in 04, and I was like "meh". Now Ive watched it multiple times and love it.
You got Lt. Jones wrong at the end there. His reputation was that he was seen as someone who had the potential to become as good an officer as Winters. He got himself a transfer back to a combat unit very quickly but, tragically, died in a traffic accident early in the occupation of Germany. Though his journals were used as the basis of this episode Webster never went on that patrol; Liebgott did, and he was welcomed back into the unit, rather than a little shunned when he returned. He was actually from a very well-off family, but refused the chance to given a commission because he wanted to serve as an ordinary trooper. He jumped with Dog Company on D-day and transferred to Easy, after their return to Aldbourne. Cobb earned himself a dishonourable discharge for being drunk and disobeying direct orders from a Lt (not portrayed in the series); allegedly Sink is supposed to have said, ''You should have shot the Sonuvabitch.'' He'd served in North Africa before joining the Airborne; can't help but wonder if, like Dike, the unrelenting combat finally got the best of him. kerk
The next episode is going to break you guys who haven't seen it. It's the most incredible episode of the series in my opinion, but it's also the most heartbreaking. On a positive note, though, one of the funniest conversations of the whole show is in the next episode as well.
An interesting detail towards the end when they all pull off the line27:52: We see Cobb in the background being escorted away in a vehicle full of MP's, presumably for being drunk.
He assaulted the officer that led the patrol. He had to be restrained by a few guys, John Martin even pulled out a gun on him.
@@FrenchieQc yeah. Took me several watches of this episode to notice that going on in the background. interesting detail to add but not have explicitly talked about
Yes that did happen but the series portrayed Cobb as a constant surly jerk when he actually wasn't. They completely changed his character from who he was was in real life.
@@FrenchieQc Yeah, col. Sink even reprimanded Lt. Foley for not shooting him on the spot (Col. Sink didn't like insubordination or revolt against superior officers), he even said: "You should have spared the crap of the court martial, and put a bullet in his head", something along these lines...
Please be sure to also react to the accompanying HBO documentary "We Stand Alone Together" - which serves as a perfect capstone or "episode 11" of the series. Lots more from all the then-living vets with tons of context for all aspects shown in the miniseries. Plus archival footage, and some info on their post-war lives. A must do!
Webster was a writer (you see him writing in some of the episodes) and his memoir / book about the war was a supplementary source for the miniseries along withy Ambrose's book. As others have noted, Web was well liked and they didn't resent him as he was badly wounded in Holland and was hospitalized and re-habbed back in the UK. So no way he could break out like Popeye or Toye etc.
Lt Jones stayed with the company longer than portrayed and was respected. Sadly he died in a Jeep accident post-war in Europe.
Cobb was a drunk and probably dealing with PTSD. He had served before Easy - in 1st Armored in North Africa and his troop ship on the way home was torpedoed and he survived. He was ultimately court martialed - you can see him being taken away in the background of this episode - foreign drunk and assaulting Lt Foley. During processing for the court-martial, a frustrated Colonel Sink told Foley "You could have saved us all a lot of trouble. You should have shot him."
I really wish you guys would react to the movie “Beautiful boy.”
Absolutely gut wrenching.
Y'all should read Webster's book. It's really interesting.....a good read.
If i remember correctly webster was pretty badly wounded in real life and sent to a hospital in England and couldn't just pop up and leave to go back to them like popeye and garnear and toy
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It’s an amazing movie by the same creators of Independence Day and The day after tomorrow.
I really enjoyed that one and I don't usually watch war films
We know whats coming next men will cry
Yeah, I've seen that episode dozens of times and have cried every time.
The Pacific next
they did webster dirty on this episode irl he was not treaded like crap
Next one is rough
Actually they did end up throwing a couple of grenades over and killing the wounded German.
Guys, the background music is too loud.
After you guys finish this series can all of you watch “the pacific” it’s another great HBO series.
pls carry on to the companion series of band of brothers !
The pacific (2011) and masters of air (2024).
same studio same producer. Pls
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The next episode "Why we fight" oh man nothing prepares you for it.
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This is probably my least favorite episode of Band of Brothers. I felt that they made some of the men of Easy look like A-holes. And I liked it even less when I found out that Webster was not treated like they portrayed and didn't have a lot to do with the patrol. Narratively, I have a hard time understanding this fictionalization.
But I think I may know where the writers may have gotten the inspiration for Webster's tension filled reunion. I recently watched "War & Truth" youtube channel and apparently a couple of Easy company soldiers who where reading drafts of the book, wrote to Ambrose disagreeing with how much Webster was in the book, because he "wasn't there much." Especially since while Webster trained in Toccoa was with different companies and didn't join Easy until Market Garden.
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Just gonna say it was the 506 my uncle was there at the anti tank battalion as a medic. Spent his last years with him also with my grandparents.... that who i am and i work all the time abd hardly sleep i nap. I dont watch your videos i have a mariene headset i listen as i work. 18 hrs a day. I make food walk dog day trade take care of parents about 2 times a month call my nieces and nephews. There good people. Proud of them
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Lt jones didnt make it out of the war.
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Guyss do react to Wind breaker anime. A recent anime with good character arc you guyss will love it.
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Annoys me to no end he says “ten hut” and not attention. Otherwise perfect episode.
Jones didn't make it....