Why Does the West Love Indian Spirituality?
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- In this video, The Swaddle team explores Sadhguru, Swami Vivekananda, aerial yoga, and what led to the rise of Indian spirituality in the West.
Visual sources:
1:06 -- A Week on the Concord and Merrimack Rivers
1:12 -- Journals of Ralph Waldo Emerson
3:21 - 3:32 -- Meeting the Beatles in India (documentary film)
3:32 - 4:00 -- U.S Civil Rights Movement (Journey Man TV), The 60s:The Years that Changed America, Making Sense of the Sixties
4:35 -- Frontline World, PBS
4:38 -- Oxford Centre for Hindu Studies
6:04 -- Sanskrit and Indian Heritage: Whose Language is it Anyway? - The Wire
6:17 -- Awakening Hindu nationalism through yoga: Swami Ramdev and the Bharat Swabhiman movement - Bhuvi Gupta and Jacob Copeman
7:01 -- Majoritarian State: How Hindu Nationalism is Changing India
7:30 -- Why Hindutva Nationalists Need a Sadhguru - The Wire
7:36 -- How Sadhguru built his Isha empire. Illegally - The Newslaundry
Research sources:
1. American Veda by Philip Goldberg (books.apple.co...)
2. The Autobiography of a Yogi: A Tribute to Yogananda by Philip Goldberg (www.huffpost.c...)
3. How Americans Came to Embrace Meditation, and with it, Hinduism by Vasudha Narayanan for The Wire (thewire.in/cul...)
4. Sculpting the Saffron Body: Yoga, Hindutva and the International Marketplace by Jyoti Puri (www.researchga...)
5. Why Hindutva Nationalists Need a Sadhguru by Angshuman Choudhury for The Wire (thewire.in/pol...)
6. How Sadhguru Built His Isha Empire Illegally by Prateek Goyal for Newslaundry (www.newslaundr...)
Credits:
Edit & Motion Graphics: Neha Shekhawat
Presenter & Scriptwriter: Anahita Sachdev
Original Article: Rohitha Naraharisetty
Sound Design & Mixing: Pranav Ratra
Visual Researchers: Akanksha Mishra, Sailee Dadarkar
Subtitling: Sailee Dadarkar
Producer: Anahita Sachdev
Executive Producer: Karla Bookman
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'Yoga is used by hindutva forces'
Woah woah calm down bestie, it's not that deep. Anything promoting Indian identity isn't hindutva and besides what's wrong with proclaiming yoga as our cultural identity. It is Indian afterall isn't it.
Ignore this wide mouth twat this channel has full of themmmm🤣🤣
hindu identity has been snac\tched away via state propaganda for years and yes everything hindu from yoga to dance forms become classical/ Indian
@@hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh236 and?
I am still waiting for the part where u explain why it's bad
@@spilltea4241 it is bad because other groups in India are very assertive of their identity and the govt. and system constantly appeases them
apart from this point u can't appropriate my identity and least culturally genocide me
edit: and u have to be either to cold or IQless to not understand what is wrong with identity subversion at the first place
I agree with you. I don't understand why they make arguments and put other people's arguments against Hindu traditions, or anything related to hinduism. The Swaddle seems to be so much concerned about "Hindu Nationalism" which in reality is a hoax it's just being hyped by our media and in social media. Hindutva isn't what people think of it and how the media presents it. The concept of Hindutva is good for our country but, the media and some greedy intellectuals are hell bent on proving that it's bad for our country.
People are so caught up in pointing out everytime India is shown to be "inherently Hindu" that people are forgetting that Hinduism is inherently Indian, and there's nothing you can do to change that.
Well, the ancient practice of yoga is derived from hindu rituals and philosophy and will always promote Hinduism and there is nothing anybody can change about that.
Yoga have upanishadic roots read the book roots of yoga to understand history of yoga
@@nagatouzumaki-gq4oj there's evidence of yoga being practiced in IVC
I agree with you, the first yogi is Lord shiva
most of the times: the swaddle in an attempt to deglorify and spread misconceptions about indian gurus, spirituality and mysticism, just loses its point, because originally in the first place, it doesn't even HAVE. apoint to make. y'all are dEPLORABLE, kindly find a better audience to spew your backfunded hypocritic sh!!t, sorry we aren't here to eat it.❤️
in the guise of nice editing all you guys do is selective shix, that too not even the correct criticism, using fake facts you all do it, just an absolute LOL moment #byebyeswaddle
Ashamed I already know what hypocritical nonsense I'm gonna see on that channel by just the title and thumbnail. done constantly being bullied for NOTHING #swaddleexposed done with your absolute bs.
What i was even expecting with this video. Yoga has Hindu origins and it is a hindu practice. Yoga was came out from the shravana movement which later on divided into acetic hindus and Buddhism, which never been a part of caste system. People like you think the origins of yoga is ambiguous but it is not. It's like you eat Bhraminical Patriarchy for breakfast, Cast System for lunch and Hindutva for dinner. I think that's the whole concept of this channel. All these gurus are fake and fraud, so is the pope and every islamic organizations.
Exactly they quote news websites of their own ecosystem as sources whose biases are known to everyone so it's hard to believe most of the claims of such videos
Religion and spirituality are both fake.
Nothing is proved in science.
They are just tools to control masses
Generally West think that yoga means aasanas and postures (Hathyoga). But yoga hass very wide syllabus like karmayoga, Dhyanayoga,Raja yoga etc.
7:36 Sadguru simply said "dealing with internal enemy", when did he mention 'use of violence' to deal with it.? There's so many ways to deal.
Some people, just overthink and misinterpret.
This is not misrepresentation, this is building narrative.
The video was great but I do think their wire resources was not good . Other than the wire article the other things mentioned in the video was upto the mark.
@@umang5156 it's called sandwich technique, in management world, one packs the negative opinion in between 2 positive opinions. Just to make people feel it's unbiased.
@YOYO right
@@saranya7892 that's something knew I learn. But it can also be an honest mistake . There are not many articles showing the other side of Sadhguru. But definitely they should learn from this incident and make videos with better sources .
I personally take offense when some people call yoga hindutva nationalism. In today's climate, simply being hindu feels like offending others. I'm sorry I do not care that people are polarising yoga, I'm just a girl who connects with the God I believe in through it. It helps me mentally, physically and spiritually. On one hand people are getting mobbed because of yoga's hindu roots and on the other, the west is making yoga secular. I don't think you need to be hindu to practice yoga but denying its religious importance and roots is definitely problematic I also think you should use the term Hindu spirituality because that's what you mostly talked about.
If you're a hindu then you can't be a feminist plus if you belongs to Genral category. The sooner you realize the better.
Unsubscribe swaddle
Fully agree with you. It is this juvenile attempt at maligning anything Hindu that really is the undoing of many "liberal" channels. Like they are finding fault in literally one of the most non controversial ideologies which has demonstratively helped so many people worldwide over such a long time.
@cUtE bOkRi what you want to say ? Are you agree with that channel ? And there claims ??
Yoga is a Hindu thing,,
6:05 Brahminical Hinduism. What a word
Every thing is problematic if it shows Hinduism in good light. 😂😂😂😂
But there is no problem to show Hinduism as inferior.
Make a video on Dr. Zakir too😏 and islamic radicalization! Have the courage?🙃
They don't have
Woh nahi hi payga!
Exactly,,, this page is total hinduphobic woke.
Sounds good!
They don't have the balls to do that
7:36 that's fake news
Spiritualism has become a full-fledged cottage industry nowadays as opposed to the older days when it was a road to salvation and peace.
No. U r wrong
Totally wrong
My friend
It has always been that 😂😂
More people have real access to spirituality than ever before
Different times require different strategies.
What is the problem with promoting Hinduism as superior
Is it not ,
The literature alone is more than enough to prove that let alone yoga and deep understanding of nature and how it affect and interacts with human body not only on earth but entire solar system
I mean we are Hindus we will encourage people to join hands with us to be Hindu.... I don't find wrong if he is promoting Hinduism.
Any Buddhist monk will encourage people to follow them.
Any church father will promote Christianity.
Any Maulana will show us the path or promote their Islam.
That's the thing right. You're allowed to evangelize as Muslim, Christians,Buddhism...moment it's Hinduism, it becomes "saffronization". Nvm.
@@goat1401 I don't think Christian Evangelism and Coercive Islamism is ever spared. The biggest critics today of Christianity are Christian nations themselves, Muslims have zero capacity for self-criticism and Hindus was some kind of parity with such intellectual failures. If you're peddling hinduism hoping it be useful to people then that's a great selling point - utility, but of you're supporting saffronisation to seek parity with the setbacks of other religions then you've lost you massive selling point. Remember, these other religions you're talking about are more debated over in academia and global public discourse than hinduism.
Here comes the propoganda of swaddle. The reality is, core of yoga is eternal. It has been always packaged by gurus in different ways for thousands of years according to times, societies and peoples need. The way of vashistha was different, the way of ashtawakraa was different, aadishankra way was different, gorakhnath way was completely different, and many more gurus.
Please spare us your religious preaching and admit that you were indoctrinated
so now simply being a hindu is wrong?? reporting this video. giving you the mullah treatment, yes.❤️
sorry luv we know who you're funded by, unfortunately most indians ARE NOT FOOLS. byee
If according to you yoga is considered to be a part of brahmanical hindu, so was studying, so was learning, India has come far from that. Earlier only brahmans were supposed to study but now everyone can. We cannot imply study to be brahmnanical just because 1000 years before only brahmans studied that. Overtime laws changes and so should our understanding of those things. We can't call one thing secular and other not.
Also what is wrong in commercializing or propogating spirituality. Obviously it shouldn't be to such an extend where motives become dangerous and I do agree the line between that is blurred. If we commercializing information and knowledge, like this channel, why can't people commercialize what they have.
Teachings of all religion should be propogated in a peaceful way. It's for people to decide whether they'll follow it or not. Islam , Christianity and all other religion have their scholar and teacher to extrapolate and propogate their religion and redings , then why not hindus?
This is lie.
All castes were educated
This makes so much sense.
I don't think it's "according to you" they dint actually concluded anything.
So true...
Love this 👍
This is exactly the kind of content that turns liberal people away from leftism.. this is how the left is lost..
Indian philosophy is probably the only ancient world philosophy that remained untainted. It is man made and thus has it's flaws. But it must have something in it that has fascinated great minds from various fields.. from a Mark Twain to a Niels Bohr!
Hindus (I am using this as an umbrella term for all dharmic philosophies) are literally the most successful community in Northern America, not only in terms of median household income but also due to the fact that they respect the local culture and have one of the lowest crime rates. People are attracted to gentle cultures and it is Hinduism's belief in diversity of opinion that has gained it so much respect.
Stop these juvenile attempts. You guys truly have shown amazing potential as a channel. Don't waste it on such poorly researched content please.
Majority of the Indians who move to America will either be rich or would be highly educated and skilled Engineers, Doctors and all. Is it a surprise that their median household income is higher? And crime rates for rich and educated people will anyways be less no?
@@rishikeshkumar9076 do you really think crime rates of America low ??
This comments section is a good example of how "Hindutva Nationalism" has gotten into the heads of the youth. The whole point of the video was to explain the rise of Indian Spirituality in the West, the problems that arise with the commercialization of spirituality and not to idolize every so called spiritual leader. The mention of Yoga being used as a political tool seems to offend people so much. Hinduism always used to be and will be "Vasudeva Kudumbakam". Hope this "Hindutva" you guys are preaching and advocating for shares the essence of this great ancient philosophy..
@@rishikeshkumar9076 Same thing with practically any nationality that doesn't border USA.. yet we stand out.. I'm not saying anything about feeling supremacist about it.. my point is trying to fight one of the most naturally liberal ancient philosophies is not a hill worth dying for any liberal. There's a lot of shit out there in the world and Hinduism largely is not part of that.
@@nikhilmaurya3951 I don't give a rats ass about the gurus and frankly can't tolerate jaggi vasudev much myself. He is a poor spiritual leader at worst, but yet nothing to be demonized. Atleast the save the soil initiative that he's taken and for which he was on Trevor Noah's show for, is a constructive thing. Swaddle very smartly ignored that. There's a difference between being liberal and being a tankie commmunist and some of the stuff shown here stinks of the latter. Current Indian discourse anyways lacks much of liberal ideas. Better not to turn more people away due to age old propaganda.
Sounds like Hinduism bashing, as is fashionable these days.
oh it was fashionable since all days
watch mahanayak gems of Bollywood completion on RUclips
All religious people are spiritual but not all spiritual people are religious. There is a difference that people don't understand.
India has over 5000 year old worth of history. This history has been so dynamic we have seen numerous belief systems and ideologies being birthed and then staying in this land. Naturally it has spread throughout the whole world.
India used to have trade with ancient Romans and Greek, India used to be close in trading to African nations and even Egypt that itself was a prosperous and spiritual civilisation had good connections with India. India traded with all of the Asia.
And it is not only the trade of goods. On those ships sailed people and their stories and ideas.
India has always been so diverse that spirituality blossomed here and hence also showed the world the light as well.
As someone spiritual let me tell you that no specific person is spiritual. Spirituality is not a thing. Spirituality is not associated with any religion, race or creed. We all as creatures are spiritual. We not human beings having spiritual experience, we are spiritual beings having human experience. In my eyes everyone is equally Spiritual be it an athiest or be it anyone.
Spiritual journey is not a thing acc to me, you as a spiritual being whatever journey you take is spiritual. Your journey is unique to you just like everyone else. You can't teach sane syllabus to everyone when all are going to get a different question paper. Spirituality is not just soul it is the dance of mind, body and spirit. Spirituality is not an aspect, it is totality and beyond. Spirituality is self knowing itself in ownself and others. Then in my opinion spiritual and religious believes should not be force fed. It should be a conscious decision as what path one wishes to follow. Ofcourse, we should all have the right to share our knowledge and speak for our believes but they shouldn't be shoved down through anyone's throats. Let people be because spirituality is not about being something it is about being.
@sHaLiNi religion is group not all religious people are theists or spritual I am hardcore hindu but not theist I believe in Hinduism because of groups and rituals
Religion & spirituality are two different subject's.
What the heck is brahmin hinduism?
6:12 "Hindutva forces make special efforts to position yoga as central to our national identity" "Yoga is becoming a tool to saffronise India, to define India as essentially Hindu"
What's wrong with this? Yoga is a part of our identity and is something I am really proud of. Not everything which is related to Hinduism needs to be presented in a bad light. India belongs to everyone of course, however to deny that Hinduism has had a major influence on Indian culture is foolish.
As far as seeking validation from westerners goes, completely agree with that.
She is a communist.
The wrong is that it has been overly commercialized. Yoga is even being sxualized in west. See the video properly and u will see a really deep issue being pointed out.
@@phoenix-ng3zh but that video make false claims that Sadhguru capture adivasi houses which is still not prove by court or any constitutional authority but that video show that as fact
@@phoenix-ng3zh I have a problem with the fact that they said "Yoga is being used to saffronise India" "To define India as essentially Hindu"
I don't think that promoting yoga in any way or form is a way to saffronise India. I did watch the video and the way they talked about yoga implied that they associate yoga with hindutva Or religious extremism which I think is stupid. Yoga is a part of our identity and we don't need to make this political.
Whatever they said about westerns and them appropriating yoga is another topic. I just wanted to point out that the political angle of the video was unnecessary.
@@waterlily1507 this is what happens when u make conclusion without hearing the video properly. They dint made any statement. They pointed out what ppl are saying. See it from here 5:40
Everything is not business.
No matter how much we call it a cultural export, truth travels. If you're a business person doesn't mean originality is gone! Spirituality is truth, even the most evil minds have it. They just don't wanna face it coz then we are challenged by something larger than us.
And please keep Sadhguru Outta this business!
Yes, I don't understand these creators obsession with only certain religious gurus. Nobody says a word about religious preachers of other religions when they try to spew hatred.
They hate Sadhguru and baba ramdev for owning businesses and trying to bring people back to their roots. They also hate them if they only rely on donation, like, what is the problem?
Sadhguru doesn't even identify himself from any religion or caste
love this hinduphoia ain't gonna get you ANYWHERE, lets put that into perspective, now kindly F O, THANKS
The way people refer BRAHMIN as it is something related to terrorism....
They are leftist feminists so they will do thag
Left leaning communists.
Yes true ...and they never mention the "actual" reason behind terorism ..at first I used to like this channel but this vedio just offended me..yoga has sanatan roots Hinduism Buddhism and Jainism have practised it for such a long time
@@devanshisharma6105 what's the hatred for I don't understand? Why are we hated so much?
@@spoderman69169 who is hated ..I never said I "hate" someone😅
The people that do this channel need to read some Rajiv Malhotra books. They have a consistent pattern of looking at Indian culture through highly westernized paradigms and lenses. And then distort it in a way that actually diminishes the indigenous culture.
Yes, they are giving major western conservative vibes. And if you see the pattern its only targeted towards Hinduism no matter what the topic is.
True
On what basis you said his ashram is on tribal land and other problematic stuff. You could have accuse him for few physics fallacies. Your words were quite strong.
You know he could easily sue you for defamation. But he won't.
One of your best work so far.
After years of trying yog class in Mumbai but somehow always got a feeling that this doesn't seem right, I took sabbatical to go learn yog at an 100 year old institution. That's where I learnt that the yog class packaged in Mumbai is highly influenced by the way western people understand yog and it's nowhere close to what "Yog" really is.
But everything has a good side too. The rise on Yog popularity has made Indians look again at their own Yog culture with more enthusiasm. There will be Indians who will prefer the westernised version of Yog but then there will be some people who will seek the real meaning of Yog and ensure to learn and continue the real essence of it.
Swaddle I use to be impressed by ur researches but never thought will use these down market headlines to describe someone who changed lives of people I don't have anything against you but would like if u respect people n there emotions 🙏
Have you watch last 2-3 min of this video?
@khushbumerchant whats the name of 100yrs old yog institute?
@@amritajain3953 okay Chu Bhaktardu, time to clean your room now🤪🤣
You could begin by saying the name right ... it is yoga. Not yog. How would you like it if I called Sita by a shorter variant "Sit"?
wtz ur point? we cannot ask west to hv through knowledge of out roots.. they are adopting wt seems sensable to them.
the same way we are getting westranized without being cristians..
its a phase of exchange of ideas. gv it time to take hold. at the end of the day people will opt for what ever makes sense to them.
*By 2016, according to an Ipsos study, 36.7 million Americans were practising yoga, making the business of classes, clothing such as yoga pants, and equipment including yoga mats worth $16 billion, compared to $10 billion in 2012. Some 72 percent of practitioners were women.*
Women hate gym so they'll stick with yoga
@@mrocean2305 lol,,
But anyway it's good for women only ,
I believe yoga is better than gyms,
So women are doing good job
@@mrocean2305 who said? 😂
@@pama1442 women
@@gampa_10_31 yoga isn't better than gym. Its like comparing oranges with apple
Little disheartened from you guys, atleast mention that Sadhguru going to Daily show was for SaveSoil movement.
Don't use any points out of the blue for you own agenda. Please don't. Yes, He was invited there because of his popularity in spirituality but atleast mention that he went there for SaveSoil movement.
That man drove motorcycle- 30,000 km for SaveSoil movement.
Only for this movement, still people have their own agenda.
That was a fake allegation.
I wonder why did they mention fake alligation!
Yes akka I feel the same
Adjactly, any sensible influencer should do complete research before putting their content.
IYC land is not illegal and it has been proofed gazillion of times already!
Man, people and their agenda.
@@amritajain3953 you should be either telugu or Kannada, who are u
Just like he saved rivers ! Moron
6:16 Now what is the problem India is the only country with so many Hindus She is only who stands by hindu philosophy culture beliefs and traditions . Yoga is originated from india from hindu community. what else you want. Oh my god . Please weigh your words before speaking out
Everything related to hinduism has become a problem for these people, I've never seen yoga as something only for "Hindus". I always liked swaddle's content but it seems hating on hindus and their ideology has become a trend to gain views. You should be ashamed of calling yoga as "hindu nationalism", it's like calling gym and workout as "westernization of India". Ngl, hinduism is related to our country and our identity and we should be proud of it. If you don't like yoga don't do it, do not polarize people by labelling yoga as hindu nationalism or something used for saffronizing the country.
Exactly!
Very well put.
@YOYO yea maybe because mostly they show hindu women in their videos...
Yeah that piece of content was extreme bullshit, Buddhist meditation like Vipassana ,Samatha and Anapanna is hella popular. Zen meditation is super popular too. It is typically SJW , crybaby content
ashamed i already know what hypocritic bs i'm gonna see on that channel by just the title and thumbnail. shame!!
As always you had to mention that how yoga has some of it's root in something called brahmanical Hinduism which is something regressive for something called lower caste. You would have simply talk about the topic but putting your narrative of shaming hinduism and right came in between. This is what bias means.
I love when creators or journalist portray themselves as the judge of whats right and whats not.......i am sure half the words the creators used they don't even understand those 😂
Yeah she spoke about what “yoga is not” as if she had absolute understanding of “what yoga is !
💯 I just unsubscribed. I cannot support this blatant intolerance any longer.
On one hand she says western yoga is cultural appropriation while trying to promote "Sufi yoga" isn't that appropriation too lol.
@@byom. bro i chuckled when she said "Sufi yoga" lol.
@@pearlgrover1317 Me too.
Well I think the name of srila Prabhupada should have been included in this video because he was the one who raised krishna consciousness and inspire
the Beatles!!
stop using sadhguru as a piece to fool around with in your thumbnail, he is a guru. an INSPIRATION, for many, clearky you can't take that, but i thought the left's "respecting people for their religious opinions" works here.
ftm not even gonna waste my time and watch this video for SOME KIND OF HYPOCRITIC bs you shall end up spewing anyway like"bindi is not hindu" no buddy. not anymore, done with your shiz. #byebyeswaddle
I think i should also stop watching swaddle videos. They started good now the content is mostly cringe and biased.
@@gayatricasey6618 unsubscribe this propaganda channel
@@gayatricasey6618 yaa guys... seriously! This channel sucks now
Half baked knowledge and a know it all attitude sums up the presenter.
What the hell, Swaddle did not expect it from you. Hinduism or Spiritually or anything from Ancient India does not dictate how or what to do. It's all about just being happy and being at peace with ourselves.
Hell even most of the Hindus do what they want to do, no pressure of acting a certain way or doing a certain thing.
Every group of people promotes what their religion stands for, nothing wrong with it. Besides historically, India is a Hindu Country. There are a lot of countries which are religion specific. India is the home of Hindus, the only place where Hindus have their say (felt till a few days ago). Why should Sadhguru not promote Hinduism when all of this "exotic" lifestyle emerged from it.
Or is it that when something good happens from Hinduism it must be attributed to the whole of India, when a section of those people are spitting on the mere idea of Hindus and killing them in broad daylight.
Seems like it is not the black day for our supreme court only.
the origin of yoga and indias philosophy culture ritiuals all come from hindu civilisation if anything has problem then they should move out of india its like saying i will use google map but it doesnt belong to google.
Before posting any video, please leave your own bias, prejudice and hate towards certain people and present just the facts.
This video is hinting at the difference between cultural appreciation and cultural appropriation. It is true that exchange of ideas and adopting what is best suited to your personal practices is a good thing. But there are two examples of appropriation pointed out here
1. Appropriation of yoga by the west : Yoga finding many forms out of the westernization - hot yoga and the video of yoga where it was like a drinking game. If you are going to introduce all these changes that are not true to the origin of the system, call it something else and feel free to practice it. You cannot use the term yoga for marketing something that is so far removed from the origin just because it makes your business sound exotic.
2. Appropriation of yoga for Hindutva: Yoga is an ancient practice of finding the mind-body-soul balance. It originated in vedic times where religion was based on nature and our relationship to the nature. The main gods of vedic times are different from Hindu gods. New religions evolve from pre existing ones all the time. People pick and choose what is best suited to them and make a religion out of it. So yoga is not related to only Hinduism alone. This video clearly talks of it's complicated origins. Also Hindutva is not equal to Hinduism. Hindutva is a political ideology where religious identity is merged into national identity. When the nation was built on secular ideology, Hindutva becomes an issue. The video only talks about the Guru having a hindutva ideolgy as being an issue. As a religious guru, one can try to propagate the ideas of their religion. But as a spiritual guru, propagation of a political ideology is against the very nature of being accepting of all religions.
I am not commenting on the Guru here. As the video says, it is a complicated thing. But the video has used the right words and pointed of some very relevant things.
Sadhguru doesn't even say he is Hindu .He don't believe in any religion system or any belief system. And denies to be Hindu. He don't even believe in the existence of any god, he is agnostic. He speaks about human consciousness. If you do a little research about him you will clearly understand what I am trying to say
@@prekshamishra2091 when he talks about sanatana dharma, it is about a way of life. It is not necessarily related to a religion, but it does form the core of vedic and Hindu traditions. There are other belief systems which may not necessarily believe in this. He may describe himself as being agnostic. But when anyone calls the hindu way of life or Hindutva, the future (to which everyone should aspire to), they are demeaning or invalidating other belief systems (even if not by design or ill intent). And it also sends a message that this way of life is what makes you a part of this land as that is our original culture. That means that if I believe in the flying spaghetti monster or the invisible pink unicorn, I am not truly indian. I do listen to his discourses, I do like a lot of them. I just do not think the Hindutva rhetoric is appropriate (which does exist in his talk too). I am born into a South Indian Hindu family where the guru and his discourses are a regular food for thought. I am deeply entrenched in the vedic/hindu philosophy which sometimes is not necessarily based on Gods. But I also understand the position of privilege that I am in and where such a politically inclined rhetoric is not acceptable.
I know you have not brought up this topic of other countries where a core religious identity exists, but I would like to touch up on that topic by saying our country's basis is being secular. If anyone wanted to merge a belief system with national identity, they should have made the country like an exclusive club for certain ideologies only. We cannot build a home on all-inclusive principle and encourage different ideologies and then tell your child that if you think differently, you will no longer belong to this family. Please look at this from the point of view of the current political/communal situation.
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This (your comment) is very well articulated , and kindda sums up the video it's vision .
@@invisibleunicorn7041 vedic is hindu only. Yoga belongs to hindu way of praying to god
Excuse me, The vedio was good but I object. Why you said umm ladies in context of swami vivekananda do you know he was a life long Celibate. Please be respectful of who you are talking about.
I think we should be taught all forms of Yoga. I’m sure resources exist to help us with this.
Well where you said about appropriation of Yoga kinda seems true. Crazy how some senseless people can make something as sacred as yoga look vulgar. It's an insult to this practice.
To do Yog one needs to bring 'bhakti' or devotion also. Otherwise it's nothing but some physical excercise to keep your body healthy. But yog is meant for mind and body both.
Such a shoddy research and blatant efforts to potray Sadguru in a bad light. I thought your channel had some substance, but it takes such a u turn. You are no different than those western media houses which garners attention and mileage out of criticizing everything Indian. So conveniently you have put everything in a single basked with pure agenda of drawing parallel. Elephant corridor reference really? Grow up!
Sadhguru’s appearance on the Daily Show was a big deal for the Daily Show :p
Sadhguru doesn't even say he is Hindu .He don't believe in any religion system or any belief system. And denies to be Hindu. He don't even believe in the existence of any god, he is agnostic. He speaks about human consciousness. If you do a little research about him you will clearly understand what I am trying to say
You are wrong he is a big Shiva bhakt
Darling, please don't worry! Let Sadhguru do his work
I just started watching the Wild Wild Country docu-series today and this video couldn't have dropped at a better time. It's insane how openly the Osho cult talks about combining "spirituality" with "materialism" which seems ironic if not completwly absurd.
Western media only gave him attention to demonize Hinduism. As always. And the ones sponsoring him were there because of greed. Potent combo.
His goal was to get people to chase materialism to realise that it's meaningless. This is why so many of his followers were wealthy because wealthy people are the only ones who actually get the chance to truly understand how meaningless material possessions really are. The buddha was royalty, he came from unimaginable wealth and he realised that it was meaningless
What problems do you have with Brahmins? How do such youtubers get to spread venom against us online? You do the same against other religion/community, they ban you instantly especially if you abuse Jewish people.
Because Brahmans have abused lower jatis for centuries
@@daviddas5107 source
6:23 Bharat has always been a hindu country until the invasions. I dont see any issues with 'saffronising' india if that refers to going back to our ancient cultural roots! the way yall linked suryanamaskar and om chanting to brahmanical hinduism (which didnt exist before invasions) is so stupid and misleading of you! Hindus have been living here for thousands of years and its THEIR land, sadly the current muslim population of the whole indian subcontinent including pakistan and bangladesh are the products of the ruthless killings and conversions of hindus! theyd deny it but its true that their ancestors were hindu and were tortured to convert or get killed. sad but true
Yeah that piece of content was extreme bullshit, Buddhist meditation like Vipassana ,Samatha and Anapanna is hella popular. Zen meditation is super popular too. It is typically SJW , crybaby content.
Proud To Be Hindu
Jai Maharashtra
Jai Hind
Claiming Yoga for Hinduism, is kinda same as having Kawalis for Islam. It's a mere practice of keeping the body and mind healthy, by performing sets of exercises, which has thoroughly improved and researched throughout our rich history.
Yoga, as it has been culturally important and respectable for Hindus, are more able to be accepting towards it. Whenever it's somewhere before the International Yoga day arrives, we see how some Islamic Scholars claim it to be a Hindu thing, and so forbidden by them.
But if u take a step back and see what's really happening, what part of the people performing it, do u see are trying to do it for religious beliefs, and not for gaining Spirituality, Physical and Mental health benefits.
I think it's more upon how you want to perceive it Individually.
It's a suggestion to one who is reading this comment...
If you really want to know what spirituality is visit acharya prasant you tube channel once.
Thank you.
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Overthinking, Counter interpretation and Narrative building
You can do yoga for wrong reasons but it still might give you right results , anything can be personalized to suit your needs, even yoga 🧘♂️.
We shouldnt expect west to understand complexities of our cultute, when most Indians cannot grasp it, like you guys for example.
Why the hell do people think spirituality means sitting in a cave and rejecting the entire world? That is wrong. Spirituality means to be on fire 🔥, to utilise your human potential to its fullest. If someone is earning money through offering the practices, what is your problem in that? It's Sadhguru's choice whether to offer it for free or not. Also, he has been giving out free schooling, food, medical facilities in rural parts of India. So you can't blame him completely.
Don't interfere in an area of which you have zero experience of. If you were someone who has tried all of Isha foundation 's programs and were doing the practices for 10-15 years, then commenting, understood. But you have just been following the mainstream media and then making opinions about Sadhguru Ji. Just shut up and mind your own business.
Does this look mainstream to you?
what is wrong if the west loves it? hinduism and hindu scriptures are the etrenal truth. so whether your hinduphobic arrse likes it or not, it is facts. glad yoga has gone to the world,as long as people acknowldge the hindu culture, meaning of the scriptures and Our Gods, there's nothing to be found fault with. swaddle these days its become a thing for you to contradict your own statements. here's a thing: sadhguru has done more for this world than any other leader has, i'd like to say he should be nominated for nobel prize. the savesoil movement is one of the reasons among the mILLION.
looks like you've also watched some silly bbc made documentary, but kindly shut your hypocrisy because it's getting annoying. Say things for what it is, your funding and leaning towards hypocrisy and one side is evident for those with a keen eye.
stop using sadhguru as a piece to fool around with in your thumbnail, he is a guru. an INSPIRATION, for many, clearky you can't take that, but i thought the left's "respecting people for their religious opinions" works here.
ftm not even gonna waste my time and watch this video for SOME KIND OF HYPOCRITIC bs you shall end up spewing anyway like"bindi is not hindu" no buddy. not anymore, done with your shiz. #byebyeswaddle
No such thing as "spiritualism" .its mostly religion. They took the most superficial aspects and appropriated it to their liking
What you mean ??
@cUtE bOkRi ohh par yoga toh hinduism ka part hain upanishado main hain aise hi thode aur yeh channel kya bol raha hain yoga brahmincal hinduism hain matlab kuch bhi yoga ka roots vedic hinduism hain jo ki upanishads hain
Lol yeah. I genuinely believe religious leaders should sue "spiritualists" for IP theft
Meanwhile Hinduphobia in west : am i joke to u
They are trying to say that yoga will always belong to india and the west should not try to say that they improved it . The west is portraying that only PPL who have money can attain spirituality through yoga.
And they're right because poor people doesn't need spritiuality , they need money.
If you guts make a video on other extremist religions who are doing worst possible things than what you mentioned in this video.
This kinda reminds me of Jones town, charles Manson's 'the family' cult etc. Yoga isn't a symbol of nationalism but just an art to keep one healthy and focused but our herd attitude is turning this art into a fad with horrible outcomes.
Yoga is related to sprituality originally
Yoga is not an “art to keep oneself healthy “ but even if its done for those purposes you can still only get benefits from it 🤪
Yoga is used to safronize India seriously 👀
Eventhough i agree with the fact that hindutvawadis are using yoga as a tool to saffironize india, which prides itself to be a secular democracy i don't think denying the role Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism plays in the origins of yoga is right. They did play a major role
Hinduism is a way of life ... Anyone can follow it n nobody is forced to convert into Hindu... N i personally don't feel anything wrong about the west adopting yogic practices ... Our religion is not something that we need to conserve or hide ... Vasudev kutumbakam 🙏
They're changing the meaning . They show westernized poses not the true indian ones. Why do they need to change our indian poses. Anyone can follow Hinduism but they cannot say it means something else than its true meaning.
@@anayadegani626 they are reinventing yoga which is fine, why aren't Indians reinventing it? You have to change with the time
@@daviddas5107 no, are you kidding me? Was reinventing vegetables to genetically modified vegetables not enough that you want to reinvent original ethnic practices?
@@yathatsme132 it's already being done, whether you like it or not
@@daviddas5107 there are two sides of a coin . Reinventing is being done in West because they don't understand our culture. I literally laugh at their yoga. However people like me preserve the ancient practice
Please learn to differentiate between culture and religion. Yoga is a practice that has been followed since the ancient times in India, and derived from Hindu lifestyle. That doesn't mean everything that the Hindus did from eating to bathing to yoga becomes Brahmin Hindutva. It's true Hindus take great pride in it since it originated there, but as a Brahmin Hindu myself i can attest that my family never asked me to practice yoga. They don't do it themselves. (My mom tried but gave up) I have never in my life heard anyone in my community treat Yoga as Brahmin Hindutva. Only the health conscious people ramble about it. Stop spouting nonsense.
Where does yoga sutras talk about supremacy of Hinduism ? This is an absolute misrepresentation
Seems like a teen's very simplistic answer for a very complex subject........
Jai Shri Ram 🙏🚩
what is wrong if the west loves it? hinduism and hindu scriptures are the eternal truth. so whether your hinduphobic arrse likes it or not, it is facts. glad yoga has gone to the world,as long as people acknowldge the hindu culture, meaning of the scriptures and Our Gods, there's nothing to be found fault with. swaddle these days its become a thing for you to contradict your own statements. here's a thing: sadhguru has done more for this world than any other leader has, i'd like to say he should be nominated for nobel prize. the savesoil movement is one of the reasons among the mILLION.
looks like you've also watched some silly bbc made documentary, but kindly shut your hypocrisy because it's getting annoying. Say things for what it is, your funding and leaning towards hypocrisy and one side is evident for those with a keen eye.
stop using sadhguru as a piece to fool around with in your thumbnail, he is a guru. an INSPIRATION, for many, clearky you can't take that, but i thought the left's "respecting people for their religious opinions" works here.
ftm not even gonna waste my time and watch this video for SOME KIND OF HYPOCRITIC bs you shall end up spewing anyway like"bindi is not hindu" no buddy. not anymore, done with your shiz. #byebyeswaddle
Although not the same, this reminded me of the annoyance and irony I felt when I was in my sister’s room and saw a Jesus prayer candle right next to an incense burner with a sculpture of Buddha. She also has Buddhist imagery all over her room while being “culturally Catholic.” She thinks being Latina justifies it, even though Christianity is a result of mesoamerican colonization.
Swami Vivekananda, Sree Narayana Guru, Buddha and all are the real gurus. "SadhGuru" is just a gimmick.
Btw I do appreciate his efforts for Save the Soil movement and the attention he has brought to that cause. But I just can't take people thinking of him as some divine creature and how he claimed to have performed "exorcism" and stuff.
I think you dont know about gimmicks. He is just a guru.
Are actually comparing sadhguru being invited to traver Noah's show with the commercial spiritual practice done in west or agreement on their perspective yoga and spiritual...?!!!
The video explains spirituality beautifully but I would like to point at 2 things in this video which seem weird . About yoga being used to saffronise india sound weird. Yoga is a complex yet easy process which touches many dimensions from healing and spirituality to exercise. It has been looked that way. Though the developers of this practice are hindus it shouldn't be put into limitations of religion as anyone can perform yoga irrespective of religion. It serves a different purpose. So yoga is not a way of saffronising india but rather promoting a healthy practice practiced for ages and creating awareness about it. And about isha yoga centre , it is not built on adivasi land. I am pretty sure it is a misunderstanding as swaddle wouldn't want to spread misinformation. And hinduism is not a religion ^_^
Also about sadguru being hindutva. I would like to know in what context are you talking about hindutva as hindutva is used in many context . It's a word even indian courts failed to define
In 20th Century, You forgot Osho.
I completely agree with ending of the video, we Indians haven't marketed and owned our practices properly and west's adoption of Yoga and it's addition as a consumer service has made it more globally pervasive. However, I don't see the consumer aspect as a bad thing. Capitalism is the current Operating system of the world and faring well on would decide what survives and what doesn't. Osho's brand of spirituality completely impinged of materialism and paid less attention to abstract philosophies and was successful both in india and the west.
The reason perhaps we weren't at the forefront of controlling the market value of Yoga and Eastern Spirituality was bcz it is deeply rooted in religion here. The west dissociates from this and that gives them the right to experiment (or even appropriate as you rightly pointed out) with little backlash bcz you don't have to deal with religious or communal sentiments getting hurt if you've dissociated a practice from religion itself. For the US this would be right up their ally since the separation of church and state is something they take very seriously for the most part.
i really love when a you guys cry
Yeah I enjoy too when commies cry and fart simultaneously
These dumb heads are the main reason who brought Pro Hindu mindset from secular in me. Just because Modi, Sadhguru promoted yoga doesn't mean that it's Hindu nationalism. Be proud of your identity and be happy to share. Now Yoga is in western hand and soon will be the same with Ayurveda, Indian classical, literature etc.. We ignore and made fun of Yoga and westerners took it as blessings. Next ayurveda on the way
Hinduism is not superior yaar ... 🤦 We never claimed that our religion or dhrama is the true path.. it is Abrahamic religions who claims their religion is only true.
It's very important to ask these questions, before we start celebrating all the 'spirituality' we've exported abroad
Analytical idealism is a thing now which has its resonance vedanta apart from this political nitpicking people will always have a yearning for awareness
*This helps India to increase their softpower.*
Make nukes that'll increase power more than anything
@@mrocean2305 no,we have enough nukes
@@itsoblivion8124 less than Pakistan
@@mrocean2305 it doesn't matter even if they possess 1000s nukes
@@mrocean2305 hff, no
Somewhere you are contradicting yourself
Very happy to see the comments.
Hinduism is not religion but a culture, and India's original ethnic culture is samatan dharma !! It was born here and thrives here. You cannot separate both.
I wonder, why you skipped Osho who has been and still is, perhaps, the most influential figure in the west as far as meditation and 'spirituality' is concerned.
I don't like the idea of giving a human god like status. I dont know why we still do that .
Seeing these videos really make me want a India where atheism is like 60% of the population. I am not religious but not stupid like you guys.
What you want to say ??
Whom you call stupid ? Swaddle ??
Presenting some random person's skewed article on Yoga and saffronisation doesn't count as a fact. It's just a flaky opinion that you have cherry picked to build your narrative.
simple: abrahamic religions are childish asf. a wise person once said: "The Gita and vedas is to the Bible &Quran what the world's biggest encyclopedia is to a mere magazine" end it.
Please do fact check mam ,go to his ashram see what work is beeing done , he feed 50000 people per day where will the Money come for and the government has said that the has not build illegally then please do fact check and correct your self mam.
The lady is referring hindutva as something bad whereas it means elements of Hindu dharma.
I was a little sceptical of this video but The Swaddle has not disappointed. The video is very well made.
How that video is relevent tell me ? Do you check resources ? She cite the sources from wire, newslaundary which is still not verified and you believe her
@@nagatouzumaki-gq4oj Oh My god, I just went through the references and its disturbing. Sadhguru time and time again has showed the elephant paths and legal papers for the institution and yet these people wouldn't leave him. Its fascinating how they talked about Yoga and Spirituality and didn't cite a single authentic Indian book on the same.
Women see the 1% of male CEO's doing exceptionally well and want that lifestyle without working 90 hour weeks and sacrificing a family life. The other 99% of men struggle massively and are frequently left in poverty while women marry out of it, men cant do this as women don't share their wealth with men of a lower financial class...
So ?
@@bestofluckareeba4305 ... 1.. Work choices and hours explain almost all of the gender pay gap.
If they can pay women less, why don’t companies solely hire women?
Equality of opportunity? Anyone would support it, most people would agree we've achieved it. Equality of outcome? How, with the infinite amount of ways we can categorise people, can we achieve that if not with tyrannical control over all variables?
"How can there be a wage gap if gender is just a social construct?"..
100% for equality of opportunity, 0% for equality of outcome.
People should be placed in a certain position because of skill and not by any other metric. That's real equality.
Equality means equality of opportunity not equality of outcome.
@@bestofluckareeba4305 ... 2.. How can women be strong and independent, but at the same time demanding a leg-up so she can compete with men who are better than her?...
It NEEDS to be 50/50 in high paying jobs. It’s fine if 98% of sewer workers are men.
Nobody is screaming for that kind of percentage to change.
Many women decide to cut back on her working hours to spend more time with her family. Must be nice. How many men do you think have that option? Tell me again how this equality stuff works.
@@bestofluckareeba4305 ... 3... if women truly got paid less, employers would only employ women.
Women: "We want equal jobs"
Men: "Loads of brick layers wanted"
Women: "We don't want it that equal"...
I don't think there is any problem with a wage gap, as long as the choices that lead to that wage gap are free choices made by workers.
If women need to be paid less then men for doing the same job, why not just hire women?
1. Women work less hours on average.
2. Women produce less work output for the same working hours.
3. Women are less likely to ask for a raise.
This explains the wage gap within the same occupations.
What's wrong with commercialization of yog if it is leading to its growth and Krishna himself says in Geeta that every path is not for everyone. Those interested in the philosophy of yog will themselves find it.....I consider it more like a gateway drug to Indian philosophies
One could also question why suddenly being a vegetarian or a yoga practitioner or someone who follows and practices Indian arts is suddenly considered as someone who's trying to "saffronise" India? Ours is a country that has forgotten how what people now call hindu culture used to be simply a way of life for the people living in this part of the world. Teaching the current populace to own what is part of our culture and not view it from the western lense is not saffronising something. Why is it okay and cool to accept and assimilate other cultural practices but the moment you try to bring something back into your life that's remotely Indian your are suddenly saffronising something? And what the hell is saffronising? People didn't practice yoga before the ruling party into place? People weren't vegetarians or choosing to be vegetarian before them?
One of the best videos I've seen on this issue!
You always cover all the aspects of a topic Swaddle and love that about you.
Sometimes Indians seek western validation even to appreciate their own culture. The popularity of Yoga hopefully enables more Indians to try it and benefit from it.
Everything has some price for value and today the easiest way to mark the value is by money . That is such things are known by all and a lot of ways are ignored as they are free . As like we perceive man with simple cotton cloth(you automatically picturised a poor guy who according to you is unsuccesfull)
And yes i didn't liked your interpretation about jaggi as like if hinduism isn't a way of spirituality ? can you explain please..and yehh one more thing he is alleged it is not certified you should consider.