If I was an expert I would have a much better opinion but here it goes : Is there an elephant in the room? Is Pogacar an elephant? 🥸. Muriel Furrer lying alone helpless in the forest for an hour is another pachyderm. I don't think we'll get answers anytime soon.
He took the Vuelta off, which gave him the time to do altitude training instead, either by staying at elevation, or use of altitude tent. Altitude training takes several weeks, and increases concentration of hemoglobin. And typically the effect lasts a couple of weeks. Altitude training is legal according to WADA, and I would be surprised if most pros don't avail themselves.
Edit- there is an ongoing police investigation into Muriel’s incident, despite all our emotions running high on the subject, it would be inappropriate for GCN or other media outlets to speculate at this time. Original- It’s time to stand up to the UCI properly GCN, your platform matters. Muriel lay dying on the side of the road for an hour and a half before she was found with a serious head injury, found by pure chance. She was passed by every race official, every medic, every support car, and the broom wagon. She had a race transponder, and a head unit with her, and still no one realised. It took 2.5 hours to get her to a hospital that was THREE minutes away. THREE. Deaths in cycling are always tragic, but something of an inevitability. This one was not. This one puts blood directly on the hands of the UCI, and makes me sick.
And the fact that you could watch her crash live on the TV but nobody said anything 5 minutes later the commentary said there may have been crash but that was it.
I would argue it's not just down to the UCI. It's down to all the stakeholders to determine what safety really looks like in cycling as a sport. It's such an easy word to speak of yet it's such a different thing to get right and manage effectively. The UCI cannot directly manage safety - they can only set the requirements to create a safe sport. Such a tragic outcome and this should shock the sport just like other industry failures. Yes, its a sport with high risk and thus the medical response to any accident should be sh*t hot. The fact that Muriel lay undetected for so long was catastrophic.
Selfie Lappartient is too busy campaigning for the IOC presidency to give a damn. There have been nine racing deaths during his eight-year reign as UCI president. Has any other sport had that many athletes die during that period? The man got to go.
So Tadej and me have one thing in common : we both live in a hilly area, which makes it difficult to do long, sustained Z2 rides. The slight difference is : his problem is the downhill parts, mine is rather the uphill sections 🙂
In regards to Muriel Furrers death: the thing that nearly made me cry seeing the images and reading about it in the news was that on the memorial ride, which took place instead of the open race, ~1500 people turned up at 7 in the morning... I was in bed due to illness, but otherwise might have joined aswell.
Your comments about Zwift generating new professional cyclists reminded me about how I first came across Jay Vine. Years ago after swearing at my computer issues while zwifting, wifey tagged me in a post about a cyclist who lost power while competing on zwift titled “the pain is real”. It was none other than JV, who was relatively unknown at the time. I now point him out to wifee every time the cameras focus on him in a major race on tv - “See? He started on zwift and now he’s a pro. This is why I need a better router.”
@@justliberty4072 no, that's cause they have to use Shimano's power meter which is the worst on the market - in fact the only one which gives hugely unreliable data at all...
Pogacar's FTP is 7W/kg He does not need a team to pull him, when he is in the zone. He can easily maintain 42 km/h on a hilly course for hours as seen on Sunday.
Nothing pogi said in the Peter attia podcast isn’t already available somewhere online. he didn’t give anything away that would benefit his opponents. They already train to beat him and can’t. understanding his numbers will make no difference… it’s clear by now that Pogi races by FEEL..and not by numbers.. this is where his opponents are getting it wrong.. tadejs attack on Sunday left the rest of the field scratching their heads because they are so tied to the power meter they can’t win races from 100k out.
You get the feeling that Pog is in the zone from a life, family and 'work' perspective. IMHO this probably means more than any training protocol or equipment gains. A relaxed and focused metal state is one of the benefits. It would be great to get Mr Merckx' view on this, as some of his legacy videos seem to show a fully supportive and relaxed family life, obviously as well as training more than any other pro at the time. 👍
Bro there are thousands of relaxed riderd, ain't none of them doing 340 watts in zone 2. If anything the fact that he has enough power to drop entire teams is probably causing the relaxed attitude, not the other way around.,
The worst part about Muriel Furrer's death is it shouldn't have happened. Apparently she laid in the forest for almost two hours after the crash, before anyone got to her. Doctors are saying she most likely would have survived if she had been helped sooner. Rest in peace, Muriel. You didn't deserve to go out like that.
I still remember my best (and last ever) 20 min FTP test (I've stopped doing them). From experience I decided to hold 320 Watts as long as I could, in order to finish with an average over 300W. I finished at 302W and it left me curled up on the floor. Is there such a thing as Zone 10? That's what the final 5 minutes felt like as I desperately tried to hang on to the watts. A near-death experience. It is beyond my comprehension, as fairly decent 287W FTP cyclist, that someone can bimble along at 340W for a few hours, presumably chatting to his mates. Incredible.
Let's try this again, I hate typing long comments and having them disappear. Stop with Pogi Love Fest as your lead-in and cover the death of Muriel Furrer first. The way she died is a travesty. Treating her as a DNF instead of a DOA is a joke. Would finding her right away save her? Lots of organizations should be held accountable. Let's start with the UIC and Selfie Lappartient.
@@patrickwong4824 very sad for the kid, but cycling is a dangerous sport, she died while doing the sport she loved, Even her parents wanted the race to go on. She died in a race accident !!! I hate your blame culture and your false sentiment you did not even know the girl!
My 8 year old son and I are avid GCN fans and love a Mummy/son GCN video session to inspire our rides. He was super excited at the end of the summer holidays when he looked out the window and thought the GCN team were calling on us for a bike ride… unfortunately I had to break it to him that it wasn’t the GCN boys in the red shirts… it was DPD delivering a parcel 😢
Pogacar needs to do one interview and all other will made videos on that interview. This is how great he is! I’m sure Jonas and his team watched it too 😁
Regarding gravel riding, in our club holiday trips back in the late 70s and early 80s we toured Wales and the following year Cornwall practically on gravel paths and roads. It was called Youth hostelling using YHA hostels to stay in. Fantastic fun.
Even everyone starts to do like Pogacar doesn't mean that they will achieve is numbers, there are a few factors that they need to put in balance, for instance: Primoz Roglic arrived in cycling later than most riders because only when they told him that with his capacity to breathe above normal he should have a good shot (with the correct training),that's why some people say that the cause of his crashes are due to the fact that he doesn't ride the bike so well like others because he didn't have a cadets season or even a junior season like almost the riders in the world tour! However it is amazing that a country with only 2 million people can perform at a high level in different sports, only the achievement of the Slovenian national football team to qualify to the final tournament of European championship is already a great achievement! But to win the 3 grand tours in 2024 with 2 different riders is something that nobody could predict only a decade ago!! Season after season is becoming more and more exciting the quantity and quality of so many young riders which as soon as they get the chance to compete with the best they respect them but that doesn't mean that if they have a chance to fight for victory they take it seriously and give all they have to try to achieve the best result possible!!! PS. Just an example: look at the season that Thibault Nys made this season (2024)on road races, and only with 20 years old, and he also compete in cyclo-cross and his results are also astonishing!
I posted the exact same Zwift hack. And the workout only needs to be a few seconds. Make sure the name starts with a special character so it's at the top of the workout list.
It was quite entertaining listening to the commentators pretty much all say that Pogi went too early even for him at 100km out, then all have to walk it back. As for the Dutch team in the women's race, I suspect they're all fed up of Demi Vollering shouting at them to take a turn on the front (and not just the Dutch team, everyone was in her sights both here and on the last stage of the TDFF).
The power numbers aren’t that surprising having seen the long range breaks he’s won with at one-day events this year. Evenepoel probably similar adjusted for weight. Also pleased to learn Pog rums and does weights. Interesting that he doesn’t do indoor cycling “ever” - an advantage of living in Monaco. But also might explain some of his excellent bike handling skills. Finally, I’m reassured knowing that his weight might rise by as much as 3-4kg or 8% between off season and the Tours!
Tacx I-Magic: Over ten years before Zwift, I was cycling in VR using Tacx's software. Tacx also had real world videos long before the likes of Rouvy. Tacx were pioneers, but Garmin has snuffled out any further advances in technology.
One thing is for sure-said interview dealt a major blow to all of us- aspiring Freds who think we do very well on the Sunday group rides with the buddies.🤣😂😅 Petter Attia: What about your VO2 Max? Pog: I think it is high. 🤣😂😅 It is son, it is.
The interesting half-sentence about heart rate was something along the lines of „how it reacts on a good day and on a bad day“. That‘s worth diving into. I often feel I can tell if an interval session or FTP test will be good or bad from how the hr goes up during the warm up.
Ref 'the triple crown'. I'm with Adam Blythe on this. For me, the 'Triple Crown' would be Giro, TDF, Vuelta. I would label the Worlds as the 'Double', together with the Olympic tile. But, everyone has their own take on these titles, and rightly so. p.s. Dont agree with Adam on white bibs for World Champion, black bibs for me.
Skeptics on the comment section, Here’s a tip, Fund an “ Independent “ Drug test to really test y’alls assumptions. I’m curious for that result as well. 🤷♂️
@@kipcc3918 I don't think you understand how drug tests work. They are entirely reactionary. As the saying goes, drugs won the war on drugs. You can't test for drugs that you aren't aware about. And you also can't accurately test drugs with short half-life's.
Re any comparison of riders from different eras, it would be interesting to hear about the training and racing and lifestyle conditions of the year Eddy got his triple vs. Tadej today. And Stephen Roche, too, the '80s which were edging toward the future while still being very much that blue-collar old school. And I'm not fussing about the King's crowning of Tadej as best, just that the scenes half a century ago for Eddy and four decades ago for Stephen were different mountains to climb to get those triples, so was it the same or easier or harder or not really open to a fair comparison. And then there's the issue of injured competitors, Greg LeMond was not there in '87 and Tadej's top rivals were injured earlier this season. And whatever the outcome, all interesting to consider, even if the King has already handed the crown to Tadej as the greatest bicycle racer the world has ever known.
This may have been pointed out already, but Merckx later corrected those quotes re TP being better than him, saying something to the effect that ‘he (TP) has a long way to go before he surpasses me’. The TP of today is the rider EM would’ve been, without that crash on the track in late 1969
He is the worlds best, a multi talented rider who wants to win, not podium, win. A completely different mindset to almost everyone else. His comparisons to the other best throughout history are similar, drive, total commitment, there are no 2nd places. However he is from a generation that has data, comparing him to EM is all well and good, but if EM had the same data?? Pointless though as they are the greatest of their era. Once in a generation, just like all sports have them, but they don’t come under anywhere near as much scrutiny 🤬 let’s enjoy him. It’s up to everyone else to catch him up not for him to dumb down his results. Just like sky, they changed the game, and it was down to other teams to up their game. I hope he wins everything he wants. The other greats need to stop being cowards and worry about podium finishes, if TP can go for it so can others who are riding within themselves, if the continue they will keep losing.
Tadej Pogacar revealing his training and habits are like when your grandma gives you her secret recipe: You have all of the ingredients and instructions. However, when you make it, it does NOT taste ANYTHING like grandma's.
Pog said it himself in a roundabout way - his Shimano power meter is inaccurate. If he is climbing in the small ring on his Z2 rides, it’s overreading by ~20W. So still very impressive, but knocks it down from 5W/kg
RIP Bob. Im still riding the second of 2 Parlee carbon Z1 (serial numberPCZ05JS4183) with carbon lugs (only 2 were ever made as productions cost were astronomical) An amazing bike from 2005.
Re Swift inactive worlds hack. You can use any workout for this and, once you're in the world, end the workout early using the skip button on the companion app (or just swipe the workout segments away), or the tab button on your keyboard.
My benchmark has always been to aim for 50% of the professionals' capacity... And I think I train quite systematically, 7-12 hours per week. Those are absolutely insane numbers.
Some people have surmised that Pogacar's good form this year has come from more intensity of training. However, I can't help wonder if Inigo San Milan is right on the money when he says that building the mitochondrial engine is what's important. I reckon 340 watts zone 2 *by itself* is going to win some races simply because it vastly reduces the amount of time you spend out of zone 2. If you also consider that it will be constantly sparing carbohydrates, coupled with taking in 120 grams of carbs per hour, there is going to be a *lot* left in the tank when the hard efforts start. The main question for me, though, is this monstrous Z2 power *all* genetic or are there some lessons to be learned from the training techniques. Long Z2 rides to heart rate for the win? How much intensity do you need to increase the power ceiling? And is it possible that since Pogacar doesn't like turbo training sessions, is the off-on nature of his hilly training actually an unintentional component of his success? It would be interesting to try 20 minutes of high Z2 followed by 5 minutes of basically nothing over and over and over again to see if it had a beneficial effect.
I already find gravel bikes somewhat undergeared for the climbs in my area. I can only imagine the increase in circumference of a 50c on a long 17% grade would in fact make me significantly slower.
11:00 this kinda sticks out to me - i imagine there must be many who are discouraged from participating in events because they don't feel their power numbers line up to what they feel is necessary, and i'm sure that results in many riders at the very least missing out on a good day on the bike with likeminded individuals. I know Jeff from Norcal cycling has spoken many times on the value of tactical nouse over raw power from his experience in US Crit racing for example, but i wonder if GCN might have anything to say from a broader perspective? Would make a good title, "power isn't everything"
Yeah I know what you mean. In my case though it wasn’t about fun days out on the bike, it was how I was paying my mortgage. And having been working hard and making sacrifices for over a decade I realised that I wasn’t ever going to get to the top. And I’ve loved riding my bike just as much ever since.
What I wanted to hear about but Peter didn’t or wasn’t allowed to ask was about Tadeh’s changing coaches. Why and what’s different now. Because it certainly changed his outcomes.
There are some Richard Cranium drivers in Straya, it’s not just on the longest straight section of road in the world on the driest inhabited continent on earth
Putting bottles or any other thing that is cup like upside down is actively working against your best interest. You should instead wash them with HOT water, as hot as you can get it, dry by hand as best you can, and then place right side up so that any lingering moisture can evaporate without being trapped within the bottle.
What is anyone supposed to say? If Dan and Si sat there and repeated over and over again unfounded opinions that someone is doping, what does that achieve? Anyway, there are plenty of people doing it in the comments 🙄
I can't help it, but had huge interrest in cycling during and before the Lance days. Lost it but after that, but gradually regained it over many years. This performance Tadej show smells similar, maybe even more than Lance achievements. No matter what "legal" trainig course he might be on I bet there is some stuff that add something to it. I would buy it if he showed this strengths "now and then" or under a period. He just keep on crushing anything in race after race. Todays Emilia just another one, and Lombaardia will be a walk in the park. As back in Lance days journalist was on both side and sadly it took years to get what was wrong. Fear this will be the same with Tadej. Tadej today got UAE and Saudi behind which means lots of money for UCI so they might not be too serious to dig deeper. Of course not starting in Olympic might be reason since that is a different ruling body. Consiperacy of course, but surely his results and numbers are over the moon. Is he not human. Too many journalists today and TV folks are afraid to even breath foul play, but that was as in the Lances days. For Tadej sake I hope I'm totally wrong.
Did you consider the bag for commuting? For example for laptop etc. I also do commute (80km one way) and take lot of things with me since I go there for two days. So I think this is good idea for not scraping your bike whilst need for commuting :)
I blew $50 on another 2nd hand ‘bent today, a French Canadian CCM Quetzal 140. Took transit across the city & rode back home at a leisurely 75W in delightful autumn colors. I’m sure the 340W story is of interest to some enthusiasts, but most wouldn’t care, actually. (Most racers are pathway menaces, who have kinda sparked up an arms race with certain seniors who have the means to equip themselves with overpowered custom e-bikes that is leading to pathway speed enforcement, I’m sure. And guess what! Us 75W amateurs will be the ones making the complaint calls, against racers & seniors alike.)
Yes I agree along with zombies and fairies. Find some measurable evidence first aka drug test, not just suspicion, that went out in the dark ages with the killing of witches.
Are you surprised by the power numbers Pogačar quoted on Peter Attia’s podcast, or by anything else he said in that interview? 👀⚡
It’s amazing but not surprising after this years Tour de France
If I was an expert I would have a much better opinion but here it goes : Is there an elephant in the room? Is Pogacar an elephant? 🥸.
Muriel Furrer lying alone helpless in the forest for an hour is another pachyderm.
I don't think we'll get answers anytime soon.
@@Mike-rm1lb He is a bit more like a 🐐
He took the Vuelta off, which gave him the time to do altitude training instead, either by staying at elevation, or use of altitude tent.
Altitude training takes several weeks, and increases concentration of hemoglobin. And typically the effect lasts a couple of weeks.
Altitude training is legal according to WADA, and I would be surprised if most pros don't avail themselves.
Only thing I was surprised to hear is that he shat his shorts post race earlier with other gels 🥴
Edit- there is an ongoing police investigation into Muriel’s incident, despite all our emotions running high on the subject, it would be inappropriate for GCN or other media outlets to speculate at this time.
Original- It’s time to stand up to the UCI properly GCN, your platform matters.
Muriel lay dying on the side of the road for an hour and a half before she was found with a serious head injury, found by pure chance. She was passed by every race official, every medic, every support car, and the broom wagon. She had a race transponder, and a head unit with her, and still no one realised. It took 2.5 hours to get her to a hospital that was THREE minutes away. THREE.
Deaths in cycling are always tragic, but something of an inevitability.
This one was not. This one puts blood directly on the hands of the UCI, and makes me sick.
And the fact that you could watch her crash live on the TV but nobody said anything 5 minutes later the commentary said there may have been crash but that was it.
I would argue it's not just down to the UCI. It's down to all the stakeholders to determine what safety really looks like in cycling as a sport.
It's such an easy word to speak of yet it's such a different thing to get right and manage effectively.
The UCI cannot directly manage safety - they can only set the requirements to create a safe sport.
Such a tragic outcome and this should shock the sport just like other industry failures.
Yes, its a sport with high risk and thus the medical response to any accident should be sh*t hot. The fact that Muriel lay undetected for so long was catastrophic.
Selfie Lappartient is too busy campaigning for the IOC presidency to give a damn.
There have been nine racing deaths during his eight-year reign as UCI president. Has any other sport had that many athletes die during that period? The man got to go.
Could you please let me know where you read about this? I feel like I'm out of the loop.
It wil always be a dangerous sport, only the riders have the key.
So Tadej and me have one thing in common : we both live in a hilly area, which makes it difficult to do long, sustained Z2 rides. The slight difference is : his problem is the downhill parts, mine is rather the uphill sections 🙂
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In regards to Muriel Furrers death: the thing that nearly made me cry seeing the images and reading about it in the news was that on the memorial ride, which took place instead of the open race, ~1500 people turned up at 7 in the morning...
I was in bed due to illness, but otherwise might have joined aswell.
Pretty naïve of Pogi to be giving away his numbers like that. Now EVERYONE's going to be doing 340w in 5-hour blocks, whilst remaining in zone 2.
Absolutely! I am starting tomorrow. 🤣
Me too.
Started today... 340 ✅ 5 (Mins) ✅ VO2 Max... 🤣😂😭
I just can't fathom it.
Who tells you that these guys (Pogi, San Millan etc) tell the whole truth ? I don't think the freely publish their winning secrets.
You're assuming that's the best he can do. He might be capable of 375 or even 400. 😉
@@zwiftingwithdemonhunter Dude….😂😂😂😂😂
Your comments about Zwift generating new professional cyclists reminded me about how I first came across Jay Vine. Years ago after swearing at my computer issues while zwifting, wifey tagged me in a post about a cyclist who lost power while competing on zwift titled “the pain is real”. It was none other than JV, who was relatively unknown at the time. I now point him out to wifee every time the cameras focus on him in a major race on tv - “See? He started on zwift and now he’s a pro. This is why I need a better router.”
The biggest thing from the Peter Attia interview is how hard it is for Pog to find hills that take longer than 20 minutes to summit.
that and regularly getting >1700 VAM
Haha, that’s so true!
@@wertacus he still has to ride 3 minutes faster up Alpe d´Huez to beat Marco Pantani´s time 😉
@@FTA38yearfreeride next year 😉
@@Jizzan maybe, and somehow he has to ride 2 minutes faster then Marco, because bikes are 2 minutes faster😉
Pogi still does not have access to a power meter that works
Funny because it is true 🙂
yes - but obviously he doesn’t need one 😎
That's 'cause they all break
@@justliberty4072 no, that's cause they have to use Shimano's power meter which is the worst on the market - in fact the only one which gives hugely unreliable data at all...
And proves you don't need one. Remco also proved it at the TT.
#CaptionCompetition Pogacar showed the whole peloton the true meaning of "Catch 22".
Superhuman riding just like Armstrong, Pantani, Merckx, Roche, Landis, etc.
Love when Si and Dan reminisce about their MTB days. Perhaps a GMBN crossover with those two is in order.
Can you teach old MTB dogs new tricks?
Pogacar's FTP is 7W/kg
He does not need a team to pull him, when he is in the zone. He can easily maintain 42 km/h on a hilly course for hours as seen on Sunday.
That Strava Quick Update is a really really awesome update. Really glad they did this
Is it motor doping when there's a support car right behind me going faster and faster, pushing me to my new limits?
I think that way, you shouldn't have any problems.
Nothing pogi said in the Peter attia podcast isn’t already available somewhere online. he didn’t give anything away that would benefit his opponents. They already train to beat him and can’t. understanding his numbers will make no difference… it’s clear by now that Pogi races by FEEL..and not by numbers.. this is where his opponents are getting it wrong.. tadejs attack on Sunday left the rest of the field scratching their heads because they are so tied to the power meter they can’t win races from 100k out.
I think Pogi just optimises everything, it makes him that much better
You get the feeling that Pog is in the zone from a life, family and 'work' perspective.
IMHO this probably means more than any training protocol or equipment gains. A relaxed and focused metal state is one of the benefits.
It would be great to get Mr Merckx' view on this, as some of his legacy videos seem to show a fully supportive and relaxed family life, obviously as well as training more than any other pro at the time. 👍
Bro there are thousands of relaxed riderd, ain't none of them doing 340 watts in zone 2. If anything the fact that he has enough power to drop entire teams is probably causing the relaxed attitude, not the other way around.,
The worst part about Muriel Furrer's death is it shouldn't have happened. Apparently she laid in the forest for almost two hours after the crash, before anyone got to her. Doctors are saying she most likely would have survived if she had been helped sooner. Rest in peace, Muriel. You didn't deserve to go out like that.
Hack or Bodge at 27:22. Si says "Who am i to judge?" Is it not literally your job in this segment to judge??😂
Haha, you know I literally thought that the moment I said it 😂
I still remember my best (and last ever) 20 min FTP test (I've stopped doing them). From experience I decided to hold 320 Watts as long as I could, in order to finish with an average over 300W. I finished at 302W and it left me curled up on the floor. Is there such a thing as Zone 10? That's what the final 5 minutes felt like as I desperately tried to hang on to the watts. A near-death experience. It is beyond my comprehension, as fairly decent 287W FTP cyclist, that someone can bimble along at 340W for a few hours, presumably chatting to his mates. Incredible.
Let's try this again, I hate typing long comments and having them disappear.
Stop with Pogi Love Fest as your lead-in and cover the death of Muriel Furrer first. The way she died is a travesty. Treating her as a DNF instead of a DOA is a joke. Would finding her right away save her? Lots of organizations should be held accountable. Let's start with the UIC and Selfie Lappartient.
@@patrickwong4824 is dangerous sport, accidents happen, most riders know the risk.
Im with you on this
@@patrickwong4824 very sad for the kid, but cycling is a dangerous sport, she died while doing the sport she loved, Even her parents wanted the race to go on. She died in a race accident !!! I hate your blame culture and your false sentiment you did not even know the girl!
My 8 year old son and I are avid GCN fans and love a Mummy/son GCN video session to inspire our rides. He was super excited at the end of the summer holidays when he looked out the window and thought the GCN team were calling on us for a bike ride… unfortunately I had to break it to him that it wasn’t the GCN boys in the red shirts… it was DPD delivering a parcel 😢
Greatness = dedication and physical ability. To maintain that power output at zone 2 for that amount of time takes a special person.
Pogacar needs to do one interview and all other will made videos on that interview. This is how great he is! I’m sure Jonas and his team watched it too 😁
Definitely can see the improvement in GCN swag from the old footage to today.
#CaptionCompetition Pogacar bullying the pursuers with their maximum possible result.
#Captioncompetition: Pogacar needed no head start to win the World Championship this year!
#CaptionCompetition: Recalling the moral of that old fable: _the tortoise is surprisingly aero_
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After losing his head and taking off solo with 100k to go, Pogi proves he's 2 2 good for the competition
#captioncompetition Zwift release new ‘Ride with Pogačar’ route based on what 100% of the peloton see when they race him.
I think Dan was knockered in this show. Great job guys. Awesome show.
Pogačar to himself after "stupid" attack. Just keep riding. Just keep riding.
Regarding gravel riding, in our club holiday trips back in the late 70s and early 80s we toured Wales and the following year Cornwall practically on gravel paths and roads. It was called Youth hostelling using YHA hostels to stay in.
Fantastic fun.
Even everyone starts to do like Pogacar doesn't mean that they will achieve is numbers, there are a few factors that they need to put in balance, for instance: Primoz Roglic arrived in cycling later than most riders because only when they told him that with his capacity to breathe above normal he should have a good shot (with the correct training),that's why some people say that the cause of his crashes are due to the fact that he doesn't ride the bike so well like others because he didn't have a cadets season or even a junior season like almost the riders in the world tour! However it is amazing that a country with only 2 million people can perform at a high level in different sports, only the achievement of the Slovenian national football team to qualify to the final tournament of European championship is already a great achievement! But to win the 3 grand tours in 2024 with 2 different riders is something that nobody could predict only a decade ago!! Season after season is becoming more and more exciting the quantity and quality of so many young riders which as soon as they get the chance to compete with the best they respect them but that doesn't mean that if they have a chance to fight for victory they take it seriously and give all they have to try to achieve the best result possible!!! PS. Just an example: look at the season that Thibault Nys made this season (2024)on road races, and only with 20 years old, and he also compete in cyclo-cross and his results are also astonishing!
I am surprised that GCN doesn’t do such interviews with the Pros.
Whew you two are the best British banter on the internet
#captioncompetition : Strava Title : Recovery Ride - Me during the whole ride:
I posted the exact same Zwift hack. And the workout only needs to be a few seconds.
Make sure the name starts with a special character so it's at the top of the workout list.
It was quite entertaining listening to the commentators pretty much all say that Pogi went too early even for him at 100km out, then all have to walk it back. As for the Dutch team in the women's race, I suspect they're all fed up of Demi Vollering shouting at them to take a turn on the front (and not just the Dutch team, everyone was in her sights both here and on the last stage of the TDFF).
The power numbers aren’t that surprising having seen the long range breaks he’s won with at one-day events this year. Evenepoel probably similar adjusted for weight. Also pleased to learn Pog rums and does weights. Interesting that he doesn’t do indoor cycling “ever” - an advantage of living in Monaco. But also might explain some of his excellent bike handling skills. Finally, I’m reassured knowing that his weight might rise by as much as 3-4kg or 8% between off season and the Tours!
Even better than Lance when Lance was doped.. Give me break! We all know he’s on the sauce bro. No doubt talented, but also doped to the eyeballs.
#captioncompetition. After hearing Dan's captions. Tadej Pogačar was happy to hear The creators have a sence of humour. As well as a box of crickets.
It's not an easy task to feed the crickets when they keep trying to escape.
Tacx I-Magic: Over ten years before Zwift, I was cycling in VR using Tacx's software. Tacx also had real world videos long before the likes of Rouvy. Tacx were pioneers, but Garmin has snuffled out any further advances in technology.
One thing is for sure-said interview dealt a major blow to all of us- aspiring Freds who think we do very well on the Sunday group rides with the buddies.🤣😂😅
Petter Attia: What about your VO2 Max?
Pog: I think it is high.
🤣😂😅 It is son, it is.
“Stuffed but chuffed” might be my new favorite saying!
Give your editor a raise because those cuts @5:00 were fucking GOLDEN
#captioncompetition: Pogi lost his head at the words and attacked early.
Don't forget Tadej's scandalous backflip into the pool last year during the tour!
The interesting half-sentence about heart rate was something along the lines of „how it reacts on a good day and on a bad day“. That‘s worth diving into. I often feel I can tell if an interval session or FTP test will be good or bad from how the hr goes up during the warm up.
Caption competition. "There's a lot to be said about Pogacar, butt..."
If you add routes you haven’t yet ridden to My List in the Companion, they show up in your For You section to ride any time
Thanks for the tip!
Ref 'the triple crown'. I'm with Adam Blythe on this. For me, the 'Triple Crown' would be Giro, TDF, Vuelta. I would label the Worlds as the 'Double', together with the Olympic tile. But, everyone has their own take on these titles, and rightly so. p.s. Dont agree with Adam on white bibs for World Champion, black bibs for me.
I would love to know the Pogacar's VO2max? But I'm sure is not the same as Dan's in his peak 😂😅
its slightly below 90
In the words of Pog himself: I think it is high 🤣
I would love to know the truth
Skeptics on the comment section, Here’s a tip, Fund an “ Independent “ Drug test to really test y’alls assumptions. I’m curious for that result as well. 🤷♂️
@@kipcc3918 I don't think you understand how drug tests work. They are entirely reactionary. As the saying goes, drugs won the war on drugs. You can't test for drugs that you aren't aware about. And you also can't accurately test drugs with short half-life's.
Cyclists have and will always be a step ahead of WADA and the UCI let alone an independent system.
@@robertombetta So they are guilty until proven otherwise?
@@zon3ful It is the opposite, innocent till proven guilty. Most fans are happier this way.
@@robertombetta That is why samples are supposedly kept forever. How they use the sample in the future is a whole other question.
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Re any comparison of riders from different eras, it would be interesting to hear about the training and racing and lifestyle conditions of the year Eddy got his triple vs. Tadej today. And Stephen Roche, too, the '80s which were edging toward the future while still being very much that blue-collar old school. And I'm not fussing about the King's crowning of Tadej as best, just that the scenes half a century ago for Eddy and four decades ago for Stephen were different mountains to climb to get those triples, so was it the same or easier or harder or not really open to a fair comparison. And then there's the issue of injured competitors, Greg LeMond was not there in '87 and Tadej's top rivals were injured earlier this season. And whatever the outcome, all interesting to consider, even if the King has already handed the crown to Tadej as the greatest bicycle racer the world has ever known.
29:28 The World Champion is riding around with 'niceHash' written across his arse. Errrrr?!
This may have been pointed out already, but Merckx later corrected those quotes re TP being better than him, saying something to the effect that ‘he (TP) has a long way to go before he surpasses me’. The TP of today is the rider EM would’ve been, without that crash on the track in late 1969
He is the worlds best, a multi talented rider who wants to win, not podium, win. A completely different mindset to almost everyone else. His comparisons to the other best throughout history are similar, drive, total commitment, there are no 2nd places. However he is from a generation that has data, comparing him to EM is all well and good, but if EM had the same data?? Pointless though as they are the greatest of their era. Once in a generation, just like all sports have them, but they don’t come under anywhere near as much scrutiny 🤬 let’s enjoy him. It’s up to everyone else to catch him up not for him to dumb down his results. Just like sky, they changed the game, and it was down to other teams to up their game. I hope he wins everything he wants. The other greats need to stop being cowards and worry about podium finishes, if TP can go for it so can others who are riding within themselves, if the continue they will keep losing.
Tadej Pogacar revealing his training and habits are like when your grandma gives you her secret recipe: You have all of the ingredients and instructions. However, when you make it, it does NOT taste ANYTHING like grandma's.
I actually quite liked "Hmm, shoulders, knees and toes" : )
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Pog said it himself in a roundabout way - his Shimano power meter is inaccurate. If he is climbing in the small ring on his Z2 rides, it’s overreading by ~20W. So still very impressive, but knocks it down from 5W/kg
How about adding a new segment to the show? A weekly quote from one of your old training diary entries. Could be a lot of fun and also insightful.
#CaptionCompetition
Poggy's done with being the Hulk...he's now auditioning for the Hunchback of Notre Dam!! 🤣🤣
RIP Bob. Im still riding the second of 2 Parlee carbon Z1 (serial numberPCZ05JS4183) with carbon lugs (only 2 were ever made as productions cost were astronomical) An amazing bike from 2005.
Re Swift inactive worlds hack. You can use any workout for this and, once you're in the world, end the workout early using the skip button on the companion app (or just swipe the workout segments away), or the tab button on your keyboard.
Tadej left everyone on his backside thinking, "NiceHash". # captioncompetition
#captioncompetition Pogacar waiting for team car while in the lead: "... should have ordered delivery 100km ago" 😂
My benchmark has always been to aim for 50% of the professionals' capacity... And I think I train quite systematically, 7-12 hours per week. Those are absolutely insane numbers.
160W should be achievable, no?
Some people have surmised that Pogacar's good form this year has come from more intensity of training. However, I can't help wonder if Inigo San Milan is right on the money when he says that building the mitochondrial engine is what's important. I reckon 340 watts zone 2 *by itself* is going to win some races simply because it vastly reduces the amount of time you spend out of zone 2. If you also consider that it will be constantly sparing carbohydrates, coupled with taking in 120 grams of carbs per hour, there is going to be a *lot* left in the tank when the hard efforts start.
The main question for me, though, is this monstrous Z2 power *all* genetic or are there some lessons to be learned from the training techniques. Long Z2 rides to heart rate for the win? How much intensity do you need to increase the power ceiling? And is it possible that since Pogacar doesn't like turbo training sessions, is the off-on nature of his hilly training actually an unintentional component of his success? It would be interesting to try 20 minutes of high Z2 followed by 5 minutes of basically nothing over and over and over again to see if it had a beneficial effect.
san milan is gone, Sola in, the biggest reason of Pogacar form this season
It’s 340 metric watts though
😂😂😂
So that's about 0.45hp /s
I already find gravel bikes somewhat undergeared for the climbs in my area. I can only imagine the increase in circumference of a 50c on a long 17% grade would in fact make me significantly slower.
11:00 this kinda sticks out to me - i imagine there must be many who are discouraged from participating in events because they don't feel their power numbers line up to what they feel is necessary, and i'm sure that results in many riders at the very least missing out on a good day on the bike with likeminded individuals. I know Jeff from Norcal cycling has spoken many times on the value of tactical nouse over raw power from his experience in US Crit racing for example, but i wonder if GCN might have anything to say from a broader perspective?
Would make a good title, "power isn't everything"
Yeah I know what you mean. In my case though it wasn’t about fun days out on the bike, it was how I was paying my mortgage. And having been working hard and making sacrifices for over a decade I realised that I wasn’t ever going to get to the top. And I’ve loved riding my bike just as much ever since.
Another thing Pog has in common with Dan is the ability to knock back a beer, like at Amstel gold last year.
I know that DL gets a lot of teasing on the show, but for a time he really could ride the heck out of his bike!
Well… could he? 😉
I could be riding my bike, but your show is first. thanks!!
I did not quite hear, you were on the sorry hills or surrey hills? 😂
It depends on the day you ask. 🤣
for the caption that attack really blew his mind
Paint Conner green and you’re more likely to have the Jolly Green Giant than the Hulk.
What I wanted to hear about but Peter didn’t or wasn’t allowed to ask was about Tadeh’s changing coaches. Why and what’s different now. Because it certainly changed his outcomes.
The Watt Police guys had some pretty funny comments regarding Peter Attia.
There are some Richard Cranium drivers in Straya, it’s not just on the longest straight section of road in the world on the driest inhabited continent on earth
Putting bottles or any other thing that is cup like upside down is actively working against your best interest. You should instead wash them with HOT water, as hot as you can get it, dry by hand as best you can, and then place right side up so that any lingering moisture can evaporate without being trapped within the bottle.
Doping needs to be talked about
Too much money involved. Noone is allowed to say a bad word…
What is anyone supposed to say? If Dan and Si sat there and repeated over and over again unfounded opinions that someone is doping, what does that achieve? Anyway, there are plenty of people doing it in the comments 🙄
Love the diary entry!
#CaptionCompetition Pogačar heads off to the win.
So if you want to be fast, the trick is to train in zone 2 with 340 watt poweroutput?!. A really beautiful plan 🥰
Yes, exactly
Actually he said he only does the 320-340w up climbs when its hilly and his flatter 5 hour rides are around 300w. Still impressive though.
#captioncompetition: Tadej heads up you’re dropping us, Tadej Tadej?? TADEJ!!!!
I can't help it, but had huge interrest in cycling during and before the Lance days. Lost it but after that, but gradually regained it over many years. This performance Tadej show smells similar, maybe even more than Lance achievements. No matter what "legal" trainig course he might be on I bet there is some stuff that add something to it. I would buy it if he showed this strengths "now and then" or under a period. He just keep on crushing anything in race after race. Todays Emilia just another one, and Lombaardia will be a walk in the park.
As back in Lance days journalist was on both side and sadly it took years to get what was wrong. Fear this will be the same with Tadej.
Tadej today got UAE and Saudi behind which means lots of money for UCI so they might not be too serious to dig deeper. Of course not starting in Olympic might be reason since that is a different ruling body. Consiperacy of course, but surely his results and numbers are over the moon. Is he not human.
Too many journalists today and TV folks are afraid to even breath foul play, but that was as in the Lances days.
For Tadej sake I hope I'm totally wrong.
Did you consider the bag for commuting? For example for laptop etc. I also do commute (80km one way) and take lot of things with me since I go there for two days. So I think this is good idea for not scraping your bike whilst need for commuting :)
#captioncontest: The prophecy,
2 kilometer attack for a
20 second gap.
2 hours off the front,
20 s short in their hunt.
T.P. does not need a power meter. His legs are "electrified". At the end of the race he's not even tired.
Which race would that be? Did you watch the Worlds?
I was riding gravel over 50 years ago on a Schwinn Stingray.
Well, maybe it's something new for those who weren't born 50 years ago 🤣
#CaptionCompetition Tadej drops head in regret of his 103km attack, gaining the aero advantage to make it stick.
I blew $50 on another 2nd hand ‘bent today, a French Canadian CCM Quetzal 140. Took transit across the city & rode back home at a leisurely 75W in delightful autumn colors. I’m sure the 340W story is of interest to some enthusiasts, but most wouldn’t care, actually.
(Most racers are pathway menaces, who have kinda sparked up an arms race with certain seniors who have the means to equip themselves with overpowered custom e-bikes that is leading to pathway speed enforcement, I’m sure. And guess what! Us 75W amateurs will be the ones making the complaint calls, against racers & seniors alike.)
people used to do gravel,
just with bikes that allowed wider tires.
........... the industry went full circle.
It’s safe to say that Conor painted green would be The Jolly Green Giant instead of The Hulk.
I think you need to talk more about doping… and not motor doping, but the real thing that actually happens
Yes I agree along with zombies and fairies. Find some measurable evidence first aka drug test, not just suspicion, that went out in the dark ages with the killing of witches.
They will lose their jobs if they do. And I bet when the record button goes off they all talk about it.
pogi did back to back ITT's for the rainbow and remco, just let him ride off.
think about this, rainbows make you better