As a young student during my college days i had admired the guts of CEC Seshan who single handedly would stand up to his responsibilities as CEC. I have yet to come across a person like him whom no one dared to question or go against since he worked as per the constitution.
To EC - is 2024 Election free and fair? If not, what is your duty? The finance of Congress is frozen. The CM and other Ministers of APP are in Jail without trial. How do they canvas for Elections. The aircraft of Rahul Gandhi is checked. What about aircraft of PM and HM and others
I suspect ECI is not doing all these stupid things checking Rahul chopper , arresting Opposition leaders . criminal group under rightwing acts behind ECI to stop opposition coming to power. It is dangerous situation prevailing now.
Wonderful, talented panel ; all participants have impeccable credibility. Shri S Y Qureshi was CEC in times when EVM's were standalone instruments. Not anymore. Umpteen instances are available where , more or less, manipulation of EVM has been proved . Current dispensation managing ECI are no longer of same caliber or asimpartial as yoo , Seshan or Lyndogh were i
The Election Commissioner is not Caeser's wife. If he works shoddily then he should be hauled up in an exceptional way. Exceptional since he runs an independent outfit and has widespread powers.
Yes.very much so. For that matter every constitutional authority who strays from the straight and narrow path should be put on the dock and given maximum punishment.
Hope d CEC, RAJIV KUMAR & d govt is watching dis programme & takes cognisance of all d discussions, in the interest of India & all its ELECTORATES, in order to hv free, fair & impartial forthcoming Lok Sabha Election.
All those officers who have failed to act according to the spirit of constitution must be prosecuted and jailed,if law required, to set the clock in the rule of law direction.
No discussion speaks about intimidation of top officials by Modi and Shah. They have forgotten Gujarat, Haren Pandya, judge Loya etc. etc.? Lavasa himself was intimidated and resigned from his job. The ED and CBI are acting as a private agency or the Gestapo of the government. When a beaurucrat and his family are brought under pressure he will succumb. This is hitting at the core of our democracy. Even the SBI chairman was prepared to face contempt of court and face prosecution. Why? Because he may have been worried about his job and personal safety.
The answer to every question that Kapil sir asked was that it depends on if the CEC has a spine or not to use the powers given to them in the constitution to conduct a free and fair election ....and in my opinion the current CEC does not have a spine
Conclusion of this debate is EC does a shoddy job, but it's been shoddy forever! So suddenly there's a debate about newfound shoddiness! Selective dementia
This is a Very Impressive and Brilliant Discussion and Analysis of Different Responsibility of our Election Commission. But my Personal Opinion is that Present Election Commission Will Not Discharge their Duties Impartially. Which We have already Watched. Thanks Mr. Kapil Sibal, Mr. Quraish, Mr. Ashok and General Shb. Kolkata. Thanks.
Suggest,Hon'ble SC of India need to watch this discussion in all seriousness before hearing out patition on EVM's going by very very valuable suggestions by the two past EC's, ADR chair person and Mr Sibal
Excellent discussion, brings out points, that are in people's mind and give views of Election Commission, from Ex team... Helpful for people like us who understands English, wish similar ones in Hindi/regional language for other parts of India
Well done good job and debate as well regarding EC on conducting or implementing of model code of conduct. Though I personally feel that EC in India is very neutral but coming to the ground realities the EC on the whole is some thing is very different and where the EC shows some sort of favour to the ruling dispensation of the day . Kapil sibal sir where and when this act of EC is going to end. And in long run in my view the voter will ignore voting because why should we vote where the system is eventually not fair.
बहुत आनंद आया इन बूढो की फौज का रोना देखकर। और ये बूढा कपिल सिब्बल जो सुप्रीम कोर्ट को अपनी बपौती समझता था उसे अपनी असली औकात सुप्रीम कोर्ट ने दिखा दिया है।
During his tenure as the Chief Election Commissioner N Gopalaswami on 31 January 2009 sent his recommendation for removal of Election Commissioner Navin Chawla to the President of India.[3] He alleged that Chawla had discharged his duties as Election Commissioner in a partisan manner, seeking to further the interests of "one party." The CEC report contended that Chawla would take breaks during crucial meetings and secretly talk to functionaries of the Congress party and leak confidential details of the Election Commission.[4] Chawla is also reported to have opposed the Election Commission's notice to Sonia Gandhi for her accepting foreign honours from Belgium.[
Truly T S Seshan was the only CEC person who had stood as a strong pillar for fair conduct of elections. Why are the bureaucrats of various departments/ministries intimidated by the politicians.
It is Absolutely right to put every agency in the dock if necessary. Its called ACCOUNTABILITY an almost Non existent concept in India ! We do not pay our taxes to get lied to ,cheated and be led by criminals . So angry 😡!
Sibelius sahab and group. We have been crying for long and unless action is taken 1. Sue AGor chief secretary for mismanagement and. Oilstion of human rights 2. Give notice to the govt that the basic principles and requirements are not met as per democracy and hence if elections are conducted then it will be null and void. For this the prominent lawyers and professionals form a valid committee to safeguard democracy and give legal notices. If this is manipulated we need to slecify that we will not hesitate to seek international court of justice like Africa did on isreal hamas war. We need to act fast and avoid this jungle Raj and murmuring like grand mothers. Find solution . I beg
We are loosing our constitutional institutions becouse of the irresponsible people heading these instructions. Hope they understand their responsibility to uphold the constitution of out great nation
This election Commission is a "caged parrot" It should symbolically shift office to Tihar jail. At least it will be more representative in many ways. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Present Election Commissioner is not maintaining any dignity . He is the most biased .He is a public servant & getting his salary from citizen's tax & he should be answerable & loyal to citizens only .He is totally partial . Shame shame .
kapil ji Indians don't have that much interest in politics and follow such issues minutely . That's why such serious issues don't create any waves on the ground .
That point about systems being in place - what appeal does a citizen have post facto? How many complaints will the EC take if the voting and counting and declaration has taken place and people’s complaint is only reviewed after? I don’t have a lot of hope from the incumbent EC.
The bureaucracy should not be involved in influencing the voting public! And no government machinery and taxpayer money should be allowed to use. There should be severe penalties to the violators.
When the voice of the people is not heard and thise in power are subservient to the prime minister and not to their constitutional obligations , the people should exercise their combined power .
In Manipur, recruitment processes for various government departments are going on without any disturbance from the ECI. Almost all state government departments issued recruitment notification of various posts and process is going on till this date i.e. 17/04/2024. That of election is on 19/04/2024.
Election commission should not shouldered its responsibilities to political parties to confirm the names in electrol rolls. Instead they should establish a full proof system to addition/deletion of the name, in addition to fixation of responsibility.
Why dont the SC judges verify the EVM and Evv pad machine personally. ? Why don't SC judges spend ample of time on verification Instead of studying pile of books .
If ballot boxes destroyed then same can be applicable to EVM also with same logic. Use ballot paper with party symbol along with barcode to help count similar to currency notes. Only manual count need to be done if there is any doubt.
Any thing can be hacked as long as PEGASUS spyware is with PMO. So keep faith in God to get less vote to NDA so it can't help to get 400+ or 4000 as Nitish Kumar wished to PM last week.😊
Many impressions of such kinds in the public and these all are not without any reasons. The public is of grave apprehension of not having fair and transparent elections in the country the manner the things continue to happen with impunity. We are of the opinion that those who love this country in a true spirit will never say or do anything wrong or against the constitutional provisions. There are people who don’t believe in such things and hence keep on doing all that for personal motives and interest without caring for the national interest.12:21
Kapil sir EX cec se pucho ke varanasi mein 2019 ke election mein jitna vote hua tha counting time voting se jaiyada vote counting hua hai kaise bholte hain ke EVM sahi hai
कपिल सिब्बल, जिन्हे हम आप एक काबिल वकील पर एक पार्टी विशेष का spokesperson ही मानते आए हैं, वो इस परिस्थिति में एक बेहतरीन सामाजिक या कहिए सामयिक रोल निभा रहे हैं (विशेष रूप से बिक चुके जर्नलिज्म के दौर में) इसके लिए उनकी जितनी भी तारीफ की जाय, कम होगी ।
Why can't there be no rallies or press conferences by any political parties ( including government programs) on all the poll days till 6 pm , irrespective of the phases , including a media blockade ????. What harm does it cause to any political party ???. If Sikkim & Arunachal would go under the president's rule then it is quite clear that the elections are held for Mr. Modi and not for the people of this country .
Yes, we worried about EC and their behaviour, because they forgot theirs responsibility just support BJP and Modi Government. Indian public votes and future in trouble because of unfair EC. Thank you
What Congress did to give ECI more power and autonomy? In fact, Congress neglected ECI by not giving teceth sufficient to enjoy autonomy comparable to Judiciary. In fact, CEC should be manned by Retired Judges of Supreme Court at Apex level and Judges of High Court of High Court at State level. No bureacrate should hold the office of Election Commission at Apex or State level. Howrver, Secretary of the Commission should be IAS officers.
Judges are no straight people! Congressis cry hoarse irrespective of anyone! Even if the EC was selected by President theyd say rubber stamp, by CJI they'd say CJI is bought, hy LOP theyd say not represented by RS.. point it their homework is shoddy and finding shortcuts to win
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As a young student during my college days i had admired the guts of CEC Seshan who single handedly would stand up to his responsibilities as CEC. I have yet to come across a person like him whom no one dared to question or go against since he worked as per the constitution.
Present EC is bias. Why check only Rahul Ghandi chopper and not of Modi, Amit Shah or any BJP (NDA) ?
Jungle Raj is not acceptable.
Mr. Seshan the election commissioner was a terror and all pms shivered on his speaking
Election commission is responsible to govt of india and not political leaders
he belongs to the bjp
Yes we agree with your comments, regarding Mr Rahul Gandhi ji, chopper, why EC check??? Should be check all of political parties,. 🇮🇳✌,...
All of them high dignitaries.very important discussion.Thanks to wire and team 👍
Love to hear this kind of discussion from eminent leaders. India needs your wisdom.
Unfortunately only few or a minority can understand their discussion.
TheRespected Sibal Sir ,The present discussion shoude also be in hindi.
IT'S FINE MR. KAPIL SIBAL TO MAKE THE PEOPLE AWARE ABOUT LEGAL DELICACIES AND PROBLEMS WE'RE FACING DAY TODAY.
Use of agencies during election against opposition leaders shall stopped..
Thanks
The ECI is no more an institution that once it was. It has lost its credibility. We need people like Mr. Seshan who had a spine.
Now EC says, they are no more Congi slaves.They are free now
To EC - is 2024 Election free and fair? If not, what is your duty?
The finance of Congress is frozen.
The CM and other Ministers of APP are in Jail without trial. How do they canvas for Elections.
The aircraft of Rahul Gandhi is checked. What about aircraft of PM and HM and others
Congress needs to banned permanently for doing election frauds for 70 yrs
I suspect ECI is not doing all these stupid things checking Rahul chopper , arresting Opposition leaders . criminal group under rightwing acts behind ECI to stop opposition coming to power. It is dangerous situation prevailing now.
Please do necessary action to protect our nation
Thanks!
They seem to be shunning their responsibility. Now the people of India/Bharat should go out (heat or rain) and vote. Vote them out.
Very enlightening discussion on an important topic of the day. Thank you for arranging such an important discussion.
EC must apply its mind & act proactively & not merely to wait to react on the basis of a complaint.It must act upfront.
Wonderful, talented panel ; all participants have impeccable credibility. Shri S Y Qureshi was CEC in times when EVM's were standalone instruments. Not anymore. Umpteen instances are available where , more or less, manipulation of EVM has been proved . Current dispensation managing ECI are no longer of same caliber or asimpartial as yoo , Seshan or Lyndogh were i
These types of discussions should be done in Hindi so that mass could gain, for they are the one who vote and are ill informed.
The Election Commissioner is not Caeser's wife.
If he works shoddily then he should be hauled up in an exceptional way.
Exceptional since he runs an independent outfit and has widespread powers.
Why, the EC even refused to meet the opposition leaders who wanted to discuss election related matters!
Who can descipline EC?
CJI will be shy
Just check the histories of Election Commissioners, selected by Khangressi PMs. Some of the ECs behaviors were just like a pet dog of Khangressi
Wow intellectually discussion must required interview 💐💐
Yes.very much so.
For that matter every constitutional authority who strays from the straight and narrow path should be put on the dock and given maximum punishment.
Who can do that?
Unfair practices are in vogue and ECI is silent...
Hope d CEC, RAJIV KUMAR & d govt is watching dis programme & takes cognisance of all d discussions, in the interest of India & all its ELECTORATES, in order to hv free, fair & impartial forthcoming Lok Sabha Election.
What a wonderful discussion?
Sadly eci and team are chamchagiris of the duo in power😢
Why isnt this more Mainstream. Is India even a democracy Any more? Why is this just on you tube?
ECI should act suo moto to stop any activity that disturb level playing field...
What ECi is doing?
At 44:30 I'm startled he says okay to add names but not delete, meaning there a duplication of names! And this man was HRD minister?
Kabil sir.... salute to you. I am watching your dell saa program all times. Thank you sir for wonderful informations...
शुक्रिया ❤
All those officers who have failed to act according to the spirit of constitution must be prosecuted and jailed,if law required, to set the clock in the rule of law direction.
EC became defunct in the wake of Bjp rejime.
No discussion speaks about intimidation of top officials by Modi and Shah. They have forgotten Gujarat, Haren Pandya, judge Loya etc. etc.? Lavasa himself was intimidated and resigned from his job. The ED and CBI are acting as a private agency or the Gestapo of the government. When a beaurucrat and his family are brought under pressure he will succumb. This is hitting at the core of our democracy. Even the SBI chairman was prepared to face contempt of court and face prosecution. Why? Because he may have been worried about his job and personal safety.
We are always with neutral and intellectual media and Wire.❤😂🎉.
The answer to every question that Kapil sir asked was that it depends on if the CEC has a spine or not to use the powers given to them in the constitution to conduct a free and fair election ....and in my opinion the current CEC does not have a spine
Good and meaningful discussion. God bless you all respectful personality.
Conclusion of this debate is EC does a shoddy job, but it's been shoddy forever! So suddenly there's a debate about newfound shoddiness! Selective dementia
Not only ECI also CBI, ED ,NIA is require in this situation
Enlightening !!
salute
great information center
This is a Very Impressive and Brilliant Discussion and Analysis of Different Responsibility of our Election Commission. But my Personal Opinion is that Present Election Commission Will Not Discharge their Duties Impartially. Which We have already Watched. Thanks Mr. Kapil Sibal, Mr. Quraish, Mr. Ashok and General Shb. Kolkata. Thanks.
SC should not allow elections unless and until election practices are fair and unbiased
Suggest,Hon'ble SC of India need to watch this discussion in all seriousness before hearing out patition on EVM's going by very very valuable suggestions by the two past EC's, ADR chair person and Mr Sibal
Excellent discussion, brings out points, that are in people's mind and give views of Election Commission, from Ex team... Helpful for people like us who understands English, wish similar ones in Hindi/regional language for other parts of India
Mr kapil sibal ji is a great thinker as well as an ace solicitor.his views on various subjects have great weights.
Justice defended in ideal direction
Well done good job and debate as well regarding EC on conducting or implementing of model code of conduct.
Though I personally feel that EC in India is very neutral but coming to the ground realities the EC on the whole is some thing is very different and where the EC shows some sort of favour to the ruling dispensation of the day .
Kapil sibal sir where and when this act of EC is going to end.
And in long run in my view the voter will ignore voting because why should we vote where the system is eventually not fair.
Correctly said
Your wonderful personality sir, strongly fight against this waste Modi Amithsha
Manipulation of electoral roles is serious areas that need attention....
बहुत आनंद आया इन बूढो की फौज का रोना देखकर। और ये बूढा कपिल सिब्बल जो सुप्रीम कोर्ट को अपनी बपौती समझता था उसे अपनी असली औकात सुप्रीम कोर्ट ने दिखा दिया है।
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Thank you sir, for insight on EC.
During his tenure as the Chief Election Commissioner N Gopalaswami on 31 January 2009 sent his recommendation for removal of Election Commissioner Navin Chawla to the President of India.[3] He alleged that Chawla had discharged his duties as Election Commissioner in a partisan manner, seeking to further the interests of "one party." The CEC report contended that Chawla would take breaks during crucial meetings and secretly talk to functionaries of the Congress party and leak confidential details of the Election Commission.[4] Chawla is also reported to have opposed the Election Commission's notice to Sonia Gandhi for her accepting foreign honours from Belgium.[
Truly T S Seshan was the only CEC person who had stood as a strong pillar for fair conduct of elections. Why are the bureaucrats of various departments/ministries intimidated by the politicians.
Good discussion
No matter what Constitution says !
The Matter Works what PMO Says
It is Absolutely right to put every agency in the dock if necessary. Its called ACCOUNTABILITY an almost Non existent concept in India ! We do not pay our taxes to get lied to ,cheated and be led by criminals . So angry 😡!
Can somoene among this esteemed panel recollect the fiasco between former EC N Gopalaswami and Navin Chawla?
Kapil sir🙏 ye ECI ke log desh ke nazar se geer gaiye hain
Without even watching this video I can answer the question in the thumbnail - - - YES !
As a citizen, i think the EC has lost its mandate and must be held singularly responsible for whatever is happening in the country.
Thank you so much
👏🙏👏
Sibelius sahab and group. We have been crying for long and unless action is taken
1. Sue AGor chief secretary for mismanagement and. Oilstion of human rights
2. Give notice to the govt that the basic principles and requirements are not met as per democracy and hence if elections are conducted then it will be null and void.
For this the prominent lawyers and professionals form a valid committee to safeguard democracy and give legal notices. If this is manipulated we need to slecify that we will not hesitate to seek international court of justice like Africa did on isreal hamas war.
We need to act fast and avoid this jungle Raj and murmuring like grand mothers. Find solution . I beg
We are loosing our constitutional institutions becouse of the irresponsible people heading these instructions. Hope they understand their responsibility to uphold the constitution of out great nation
Whosoever involved in cheating and manuplation will certainly be reprimanded.
This election Commission is a "caged parrot" It should symbolically shift office to Tihar jail. At least it will be more representative in many ways. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Rightly said. He acts like one. No matter what. He should do his duty diligently as he has a responsibility to our Consitution n our country
All vvpat shall be court to dispel any doubt on Evm..
Present Election Commissioner is not maintaining any dignity . He is the most biased .He is a public servant & getting his salary from citizen's tax & he should be answerable & loyal to citizens only .He is totally partial . Shame shame .
#rahulgandhi❤ #election #eci #kejriwal
kapil ji Indians don't have that much interest in politics and follow such issues minutely . That's why such serious issues don't create any waves on the ground .
That point about systems being in place - what appeal does a citizen have post facto? How many complaints will the EC take if the voting and counting and declaration has taken place and people’s complaint is only reviewed after? I don’t have a lot of hope from the incumbent EC.
EC CEC SHOULD UNDER SUPREME COURT OF INDIA.
The bureaucracy should not be involved in influencing the voting public! And no government machinery and taxpayer money should be allowed to use. There should be severe penalties to the violators.
Names are allowed to add on site at the polling booth with two pieces of IDs, one of which a picture ID, in Canada!
Chair se bahar road pe ayi ye log apko sun ne ke liye tayar khada he🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
When the voice of the people is not heard and thise in power are subservient to the prime minister and not to their constitutional obligations , the people should exercise their combined power .
In Manipur, recruitment processes for various government departments are going on without any disturbance from the ECI. Almost all state government departments issued recruitment notification of various posts and process is going on till this date i.e. 17/04/2024. That of election is on 19/04/2024.
Safety of the voters and personnel is the cause.. despite election can be done in 2 to 3 phases and conclude in 15 days .
EC wouldn't be in the dock IF its conduct was fair and above board. Simple.
Election commission should not shouldered its responsibilities to political parties to confirm the names in electrol rolls. Instead they should establish a full proof system to addition/deletion of the name, in addition to fixation of responsibility.
Present EC has to take conscious truthful and fair decision
Its the people who are suffering...
सिब्बल जी बहुत ही उपयोगी जानकारी दे रहे है परन्तु किसी तरह यह जानकारियां हिंदी में उपलब्ध कराने का कष्ट करें।
Why dont the SC judges verify the EVM and Evv pad machine personally. ? Why don't SC judges spend ample of time on verification Instead of studying pile of books .
The present EC is a stooge not acting as per the constitution.
If ballot boxes destroyed then same can be applicable to EVM also with same logic. Use ballot paper with party symbol along with barcode to help count similar to currency notes. Only manual count need to be done if there is any doubt.
Not thousands, hundreds of thousands.
EVM HATAO DESH BACHAO 💪
Any thing can be hacked as long as PEGASUS spyware is with PMO. So keep faith in God to get less vote to NDA so it can't help to get 400+ or 4000 as Nitish Kumar wished to PM last week.😊
For LeLis in India, Qureshi is the one & only CEC worth discussing anything about elections in this country.
No other CEC exists.
Many impressions of such kinds in the public and these all are not without any reasons. The public is of grave apprehension of not having fair and transparent elections in the country the manner the things continue to happen with impunity. We are of the opinion that those who love this country in a true spirit will never say or do anything wrong or against the constitutional provisions. There are people who don’t believe in such things and hence keep on doing all that for personal motives and interest without caring for the national interest.12:21
Hasn't EC put itself in the dock ???
T N Seshan has set such an example that should be considered as a hallmark of Model Code of Conduct !!
Regarding the soldier ambassador - It is part of politicization of the army
Kapil sir EX cec se pucho ke varanasi mein 2019 ke election mein jitna vote hua tha counting time voting se jaiyada vote counting hua hai kaise bholte hain ke EVM sahi hai
#eci
I want to know if the phased manner of election has any instructions from Government of the day giving unwritten instructions.
Nice debate
कपिल सिब्बल, जिन्हे हम आप एक काबिल वकील पर एक पार्टी विशेष का spokesperson ही मानते आए हैं, वो इस परिस्थिति में एक बेहतरीन सामाजिक या कहिए सामयिक रोल निभा रहे हैं (विशेष रूप से बिक चुके जर्नलिज्म के दौर में) इसके लिए उनकी जितनी भी तारीफ की जाय, कम होगी ।
Why can't there be no rallies or press conferences by any political parties ( including government programs) on all the poll days till 6 pm , irrespective of the phases , including a media blockade ????. What harm does it cause to any political party ???. If Sikkim & Arunachal would go under the president's rule then it is quite clear that the elections are held for Mr. Modi and not for the people of this country .
Yes, we worried about EC and their behaviour, because they forgot theirs responsibility just support BJP and Modi Government. Indian public votes and future in trouble because of unfair EC.
Thank you
Hundred percent counting of VVPATs is the only solution to ensure the integrity of the EVM s.
Why can't voting be done online like upi.
What Congress did to give ECI more power and autonomy? In fact, Congress neglected ECI by not giving teceth sufficient to enjoy autonomy comparable to Judiciary. In fact, CEC should be manned by Retired Judges of Supreme Court at Apex level and Judges of High Court of High Court at State level. No bureacrate should hold the office of Election Commission at Apex or State level. Howrver, Secretary of the Commission should be IAS officers.
Judges are no straight people! Congressis cry hoarse irrespective of anyone! Even if the EC was selected by President theyd say rubber stamp, by CJI they'd say CJI is bought, hy LOP theyd say not represented by RS.. point it their homework is shoddy and finding shortcuts to win