@IronBrig4 The top performing US schools don't use corporal punishment (whereas the worst do). It's also worth mentioning that in in the days when British schools were allowed to use the tawse (leather strap used in Scottish schools) or caning, gaining "cred with your peeps" involved taking your punishment without crying. If anything it actually toughened "hard" types and as the author Roald Dahl said in the first part of his autobiography, it was actually harmful to weaker children.
I was caned at school several times. Maximum allowed was six strokes and it was always carried out by the headmaster or deputy headmaster. They always started by touching the cane on your backside to ensure it hit both cheeks simultaneously. Strokes were slower than that shown in this clip so that the next stroke came just as the pain from the previous one was easing. That way the suffering lasted longer. Before the caning you had to remove your blazer and hang it up. You then bent over to make sure the skin was tight to give maximum pain.
@@thor5446 not usually but we were expected to show that we could take a beating like a man. If a boy started sobbing or crying the caning would stop, the boy would be told to pull his trousers & pants down. The caning would then start again on the bare buttocks to make it clear that he needs to act like a man. Needless to say quite a few first year pupils had some nasty weals on their ass!
@supernumery By that logic everyone that is a child should be excused from every crime they have committed from stealing to murder because any form of assault from you locking them up to jailing them is abuse. In fact, it's so bad now in Europe there is such a thing called Parental Protective Services.
Then, he takes the cane and takes it and beats the person who canes him and shouts expletives at him while he's writhing in pain and shouts "HOW DO YOU LIKE IT!" lol.
I actually ended up fighting the woman who (tried to) beat me. lol she started walking toward me with a wooden spoon like wooden device and I lay down the Uno reverse card and ran at her and slammed her into the ground like a linebacker and jumped on top of her and grabbed her ratty old hair with my left hand and punched her in the face repeatedly with my right hand until I let the other woman in the room drag me off her. I was 5'8 and worked out on the athletics team 6 days a week. Neither of them were a match for me but they were very brave to think they were nonetheless. Lol! I was damned if I was going to let some old bitch lay a hand on me when I had done nothing deserving of being beaten. She was unable to walk for a week, i refused to apologize, and it was decided it was best that I left that school. My parents were angry with me, but they didnt touch me either. Lol this was the late 90s so the last years of corporal punishment being an option in US schools. I'm sure that incident ended up somewhere on the list of "Cons" when they were weighing whether or not to continue beating the school children. I cant believe this didnt happen more often...such as every single time they tried to beat high school kids like that. Kids bigger than the teacher in a lot of cases! I was only 14, went to home school after that. Started college at 17.
Its fortunate that some one was available to give Master Brown a sound thrashing. If you read the book he then becomes a model citizen...playing cricket for his school and studying hard to make something of him self.His improvement all due to 6 of the best!
I was caned at school which was nothing like the thrashings I sometimes got at home at least I didn't get my trousers pulled down for it like I did at home. Most of our parents agreed with caning especially in my case
After leaving Cambridge he took a temporary job as a "prep" school master. Threatened one obstreperous pupil with a whacking, and found to his chagrin he had to make good on the threat. Found he just couldn't do it. Punishment over after only one half-hearted swipe from a gym-shoe! It's in one of his autobiographical books - forget which. (Note: a "prep" - or preparatory - school is where you're sent in the UK for your early education before going on to a proper public school.)
@rezlenski There are many other societal factors, to be sure. But the prospect of caning would still make kids think "oh crap" before they engaged in any sort of delinquency.
it's not that teachers dont care nowadays; caning was banned because it was believed to be barbaric. Alas, if caning was brought back now, all of the chavs that would be caned and all of their chavvy parents would raise hell. I think it would be funny as hell though. It would definately put kids back in their place at school.
It would probably work in the UK too. They had caning for hundreds of years. I don't think it's a coincidence that the juvenile crime rate increased after corporal punishment was banned in schools.
good grief. This is a dramatisation of a novel written in the 1860s about events set in the 1830s and some of you act like it was happening for real yesterday. . By the standards of the time 6 of the best was moderate. Outside of school they were transporting kids for less. Most Headmasters who caned were not evil and indeed, Dr Arnold the headmaster in this was one of the most visionary and enlightened of his time. In a sense that is what the book was about.. Climb down off those high horses.
My old high school was one of the best schools in its area and it allowed corporal punishment. I went to another school in the area that didn't have corporal punishment and it was horrible. Kids shanked other kids, got in fights all the time, cheated, wouldn't listen to the teachers, etc. From my actual experience, corporal punishment is a good thing in school. It keeps the kids in line because they're afraid of getting spanked.
I moved to school in Texas from California 1 year ago, and they have the paddle at my new school. Ive gotten my backside paddled 5 times in the last year and I don't know if corporal punishment is good or bad in general but I sure do behave myself now in school
Caning remains permitted in some countries in Africa (e.g. Tanzania and Botswana) and Asia (e.g. Malaysia and Singapore). Some US states (mostly southern states like Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas and Georgia) still permit corporal punishment in schools, but the implement there isn't a cane - a paddle is used.
It is always great to think of Tommy Brown getting a good dose of the cane. In the book he was always the hero. Well here he is the hero bent over the canning block.
Our society has a weird double standard about children on the one hand theyre precious innocent things we must not harm and on the other hand in some places at least people are allowed to do things to kids not like sexual abuse or anything of course but that would be bad enough to be assault if they were adults hitting other adults the doublethink is mind boggling
It's like grandmother telling you to go and get a switch. Part of the punishment is psychological. It also allows for a certain amount of privacy. As humiliating as it is to get caned it's much more humiliating to be heard or seen while getting caned.
Ok then what makes us better - multiculturalism, Cricket, proper english, real food, nice people, a government not bankrolled by israel...the list is endless
We should bring back caning/paddling in US schools. It would solve a lot of the behavioral problems. It's hard to gain cred with your peeps when everybody knows you got your butt smacked.
Disagree. I was threatened with “spanking” by a teacher once and it was humiliating and terrifying. Why destroy a kid’s self esteem? Stop cp in all us schools . I watch this because the memory haunts me. I want it to end. Bad for humans
I remember since I was 7 I've always been caned in class, for misbehaving and getting poor marks. Of course, it hadn't been this terrible. Yet, it had at least taught me to behave better and be more disciplined. There's only one thing that got me offended, that is, when I said 'thank you' after being caned, I recieved two more lashes.
People always talk about how wrong it was for children to be caned at school but all the time children were soundly thrashed by their parents when they were naughty it was fairly normal for not all but a lot of children
Then smack them more until they realize that there's a direct relationship between the amount of caning and the degree of resistance. They gotta know who's boss.
Rebecca Hearst it sure does, because I have direct experience of what undisciplined children grow up to be. Truth be told I sympathise with you, because you don't want to see children terrorized and it is true that sometimes discipline went too far. On the other hand, we have so many social problems because in schools children are all-powerful and do what they like. This gives them a perception in life and of life that you do whatever you feel like doing.
Thomas Carleton if you had any experience of how modern children treat grown-ups and the damage this does to society, believe me your mind wouldn't laugh :)
quite,well,in terms you cuold call me stubborn like a mule sometimes,if i really don't want to move you won't get me to move most likly,even if someone could pick me up ther'd be some way of escape (HA HA!! IN YOUR FACE!!! CAN'T CATCH ME!!" now i'm not usually that fast,but i'd use cleverness and cunning meaning i'd find plenty places to "hide",but there are multiple reasons i don't have to worry even if some of them wern't there,i stil have nothing to worry 'bout,'cause my personality
a) you're generalizing Golfermillion. thats arrogant, irresponsible, and horrible b) as for our food being bad etc. you probably only went to typical tourist places and yeah those places suck. Every country has thier faults and its hardly fair to judge a country on perhaps one visit and sterotypes....
Gravy? English! Multiculturalism - yours society hates Muslims! Cricket - best game in the world with more following than most US sports. Real food? You ever been to a pub?
"*me* so what,i don't care if you think i need one i ain't movin'." besides not liek i'd to anythin to bad to "deserve one" tfft.pfft.maye just got annoied and "had an attitude" or "raised my voice" or somethin,aybe i got pissed and gave someone the slap/punch they deserved.if i wern't to angry i'd say sorry yadda yadda,to the person i punched/slapped,anger anger anger,sometimes i can get too easily angerd. but yea. lol.
I be a walking pig if I was punished like this, I'd imagine some kids would. I'd beat up yell at talk smack to any teacher who dared to suggest this punishment. teachers don't care now adays thats all.
@IronBrig4 The top performing US schools don't use corporal punishment (whereas the worst do). It's also worth mentioning that in in the days when British schools were allowed to use the tawse (leather strap used in Scottish schools) or caning, gaining "cred with your peeps" involved taking your punishment without crying. If anything it actually toughened "hard" types and as the author Roald Dahl said in the first part of his autobiography, it was actually harmful to weaker children.
i love these kind of movies :)19th century period movies and the caning went along with it
i'm glad that Alex Pettyfer was caned by Stephen Fry in this film!
I was caned at school several times. Maximum allowed was six strokes and it was always carried out by the headmaster or deputy headmaster. They always started by touching the cane on your backside to ensure it hit both cheeks simultaneously. Strokes were slower than that shown in this clip so that the next stroke came just as the pain from the previous one was easing. That way the suffering lasted longer.
Before the caning you had to remove your blazer and hang it up. You then bent over to make sure the skin was tight to give maximum pain.
@@thor5446 not usually but we were expected to show that we could take a beating like a man. If a boy started sobbing or crying the caning would stop, the boy would be told to pull his trousers & pants down. The caning would then start again on the bare buttocks to make it clear that he needs to act like a man. Needless to say quite a few first year pupils had some nasty weals on their ass!
@@thor5446 yes most definitely but most behaved for a while after a caning
@@thor5446 no, parents did not do that to me or my brothers. We were taught respect from early age
@@Bossman1959uk Were you in tears after any of your beatings? I’m guessing you might have been struggling to hold back tears?
No I wasn’t in tears despite it being painful. I didn’t want the additional beating tears would bring and I wanted to prove I was a tough guy.
I wish my school would allow this
Same
Caning ended in the UK in 1986 (the year I left school) and yes, I have noticed that behaviour among the young has worsened.
@supernumery By that logic everyone that is a child should be excused from every crime they have committed from stealing to murder because any form of assault from you locking them up to jailing them is abuse. In fact, it's so bad now in Europe there is such a thing called Parental Protective Services.
agreed i dont think theres anything wrong with it in certain cases and definitley today the behaviour in school is appauling
Yeah, Now they are not truamatized.. How sad!! Right?
Statistically, youth crime rates in the UK are far lower now than when caning was still in use
i felt so bd for that cute kid
Then, he takes the cane and takes it and beats the person who canes him and shouts expletives at him while he's writhing in pain and shouts "HOW DO YOU LIKE IT!" lol.
That generation did start some of the worst wars in history.
It's a made for TV movie. This was released in the UK in 2005 (according to IMDb)
We got sent for 'cracks' for the slightest of misdemeanors at my school.
All it taught us was "don't get caught next time"!
I actually ended up fighting the woman who (tried to) beat me. lol she started walking toward me with a wooden spoon like wooden device and I lay down the Uno reverse card and ran at her and slammed her into the ground like a linebacker and jumped on top of her and grabbed her ratty old hair with my left hand and punched her in the face repeatedly with my right hand until I let the other woman in the room drag me off her. I was 5'8 and worked out on the athletics team 6 days a week. Neither of them were a match for me but they were very brave to think they were nonetheless. Lol! I was damned if I was going to let some old bitch lay a hand on me when I had done nothing deserving of being beaten. She was unable to walk for a week, i refused to apologize, and it was decided it was best that I left that school. My parents were angry with me, but they didnt touch me either. Lol this was the late 90s so the last years of corporal punishment being an option in US schools. I'm sure that incident ended up somewhere on the list of "Cons" when they were weighing whether or not to continue beating the school children. I cant believe this didnt happen more often...such as every single time they tried to beat high school kids like that. Kids bigger than the teacher in a lot of cases! I was only 14, went to home school after that. Started college at 17.
"Texas Justice"...
aww poor boy, he looks so scared.
Its fortunate that some one was available to give Master Brown a sound thrashing. If you read the book he then becomes a model citizen...playing cricket for his school and studying hard to make something of him self.His improvement all due to 6 of the best!
I was caned at school which was nothing like the thrashings I sometimes got at home at least I didn't get my trousers pulled down for it like I did at home. Most of our parents agreed with caning especially in my case
i would never have liked to be caned even the thought of it makes me shiver
I'm just interested that Stephen Fry is playing a bad guy....that doesn't happen enough and he's pretty scary
After leaving Cambridge he took a temporary job as a "prep" school master. Threatened one obstreperous pupil with a whacking, and found to his chagrin he had to make good on the threat. Found he just couldn't do it. Punishment over after only one half-hearted swipe from a gym-shoe! It's in one of his autobiographical books - forget which.
(Note: a "prep" - or preparatory - school is where you're sent in the UK for your early education before going on to a proper public school.)
it's from the film "tom Brown's schoolday"
oh Alex...
I had 3 brutal strokes of the cNe in 1973 . 4 so say making a racket in the corridor
.when 5 ths were doing exams .
Right you are...master goody two shoes Brown deserved this and more...IMHO
I don't think Tom meant that STEALING was a tradition
There is caning in every Singapore school but it is on the palm unless you do something very wrong.
For the most serious canable offences, the caning is in front of the whole school!
On the palm is actually worse than on the bum. More painful (less soft tissue to absorb the shock) and a risk of injury as well.
@rezlenski There are many other societal factors, to be sure. But the prospect of caning would still make kids think "oh crap" before they engaged in any sort of delinquency.
Yes, it was Rugby public school.
Most "acting out" is from frustration and boredom.
Как называется фильм?
Tom Brown's School Days.
it's not that teachers dont care nowadays; caning was banned because it was believed to be barbaric. Alas, if caning was brought back now, all of the chavs that would be caned and all of their chavvy parents would raise hell.
I think it would be funny as hell though. It would definately put kids back in their place at school.
@IronBrig4 WOW how great that someone has realised that if you are not allowed to punish someone they will take the piss.
LOL!! I'd LOVE to be caned by Stephen Fry!
What if the person getting paddled/caned resists?
Boys used to sometimes put a book down their trousers when being caned.
It would probably work in the UK too. They had caning for hundreds of years. I don't think it's a coincidence that the juvenile crime rate increased after corporal punishment was banned in schools.
Actually, the opposite is true - it's far lower now since corporal punishment ended
anyone got the full vid uploaded
I bet Stephen Fry liked doing that scene ;)
based on a film set over 150 years ago?
One of my teachers shouted at me today and I was scared out my life never mess with him again 😫😫
Amongst other things.
You will want to check him out, Stephen Fry.
:(
leave my alex alone!
lol, he lies so cutely:P
'it's a prank sir'
alex pettyfer
Ty Taylor.
good grief. This is a dramatisation of a novel written in the 1860s about events set in the 1830s and some of you act like it was happening for real yesterday. . By the standards of the time 6 of the best was moderate. Outside of school they were transporting kids for less. Most Headmasters who caned were not evil and indeed, Dr Arnold the headmaster in this was one of the most visionary and enlightened of his time. In a sense that is what the book was about.. Climb down off those high horses.
my mom did this to me even when i was 15 and Im a girl, but i can run thou
My old high school was one of the best schools in its area and it allowed corporal punishment. I went to another school in the area that didn't have corporal punishment and it was horrible. Kids shanked other kids, got in fights all the time, cheated, wouldn't listen to the teachers, etc.
From my actual experience, corporal punishment is a good thing in school. It keeps the kids in line because they're afraid of getting spanked.
I moved to school in Texas from California 1 year ago, and they have the paddle at my new school. Ive gotten my backside paddled 5 times in the last year and I don't know if corporal punishment is good or bad in general but I sure do behave myself now in school
@@paulfitzpatrick1334 lol, fucking liar
Maybe people who like hurting kids should be afraid too
the old guy looks like piers from AGT
It is, of course, Stephen "Bugger me with a fish fork" Fry.
where is it permitted?
Caning remains permitted in some countries in Africa (e.g. Tanzania and Botswana) and Asia (e.g. Malaysia and Singapore).
Some US states (mostly southern states like Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Texas and Georgia) still permit corporal punishment in schools, but the implement there isn't a cane - a paddle is used.
Many places I believe but hey so are lots of even crueler things what a brave new world that has such things in it
It is always great to think of Tommy Brown getting a good dose of the cane. In the book he was always the hero. Well here he is the hero bent over the canning block.
Flashman, is that you?
@viikidaviking you should see him as the duke of wellington in blackadder the third.
that the boy from stormbreaker? alex pettifer or something?
Our society has a weird double standard about children on the one hand theyre precious innocent things we must not harm and on the other hand in some places at least people are allowed to do things to kids not like sexual abuse or anything of course but that would be bad enough to be assault if they were adults hitting other adults the doublethink is mind boggling
It's like grandmother telling you to go and get a switch. Part of the punishment is psychological. It also allows for a certain amount of privacy. As humiliating as it is to get caned it's much more humiliating to be heard or seen while getting caned.
Been there. Done that
You thought that too huh?
Ok then what makes us better - multiculturalism, Cricket, proper english, real food, nice people, a government not bankrolled by israel...the list is endless
We should bring back caning/paddling in US schools. It would solve a lot of the behavioral problems. It's hard to gain cred with your peeps when everybody knows you got your butt smacked.
Disagree. I was threatened with “spanking” by a teacher once and it was humiliating and terrifying. Why destroy a kid’s self esteem? Stop cp in all us schools . I watch this because the memory haunts me. I want it to end. Bad for humans
A 17 year old student how has been through this.
It not child abuse unless marks are left but again make it reasonable.
wow deep thinking...
Poor boy!
that cute kid is alex and hes so cute when he was little!!
CUTE KID!
Damn right.....
Tom was your typical goody two shoes. It was good to see him get a dose of the cane. Smarten him up to the real world in my opinion.
I remember since I was 7 I've always been caned in class, for misbehaving and getting poor marks. Of course, it hadn't been this terrible. Yet, it had at least taught me to behave better and be more disciplined. There's only one thing that got me offended, that is, when I said 'thank you' after being caned, I recieved two more lashes.
General Melchett.
"Well, bugger me with a fish fork!"
@IronBrig4 Yeah, sure it works. Like capital punishment in the US. Now, remind, me, what is the crime rate in the US exactly?
There are loads of people in prison in usa
@@dianerose7631 you’ve just replied to a comment from 10 years ago, don’t you think crime rate would’ve changed from then😂
what was he doing to him!!!???
People always talk about how wrong it was for children to be caned at school but all the time children were soundly thrashed by their parents when they were naughty it was fairly normal for not all but a lot of children
What moral values that must have taught them am I right
I don't like the beating, but thats what they did in the olden days!
mos tof my family is American...I steer clear of tourist places...i can judge things myself
Then smack them more until they realize that there's a direct relationship between the amount of caning and the degree of resistance. They gotta know who's boss.
ouch my teacher beat me once and i was soo upset that i acctually glued his chair (i am a boy)
but rarelt enforced. kids arent as docile and blind as they use to be. they know their rights partially
dis movie tells a lot abt british ppl.
+Roses Rodgers that they used to be disciplined? Yes, it does :)
And your comment says a lot about your education.
Rebecca Hearst it sure does, because I have direct experience of what undisciplined children grow up to be.
Truth be told I sympathise with you, because you don't want to see children terrorized and it is true that sometimes discipline went too far. On the other hand, we have so many social problems because in schools children are all-powerful and do what they like. This gives them a perception in life and of life that you do whatever you feel like doing.
+Celegorm Feanorson ML
Thomas Carleton if you had any experience of how modern children treat grown-ups and the damage this does to society, believe me your mind wouldn't laugh :)
There were riots back then, wild ones. A result of the environment.
quite,well,in terms you cuold call me stubborn like a mule sometimes,if i really don't want to move you won't get me to move most likly,even if someone could pick me up ther'd be some way of escape (HA HA!! IN YOUR FACE!!! CAN'T CATCH ME!!" now i'm not usually that fast,but i'd use cleverness and cunning meaning i'd find plenty places to "hide",but there are multiple reasons i don't have to worry even if some of them wern't there,i stil have nothing to worry 'bout,'cause my personality
@happygamestvfun1 There would be no kids left if they allowed capital punishments in school. I think you meant corporal punishment.
@IronBrig4
Yeah, sure it works. Like capital punishment in the US I guess.
If they were still doing this today, I'll bet:
1) The UK wouldn't have a chav problem
2) The riots wouldn't have happened
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His bottom be sore for awhile like to see what his bottom look like
well, why say that here?
OK then I am so glad I live in Britain, the finest nation on earth
Alex....
a) you're generalizing Golfermillion. thats arrogant, irresponsible, and horrible
b) as for our food being bad etc. you probably only went to typical tourist places and yeah those places suck. Every country has thier faults and its hardly fair to judge a country on perhaps one visit and sterotypes....
Would love to can Alex at his age righ now ;D
harder harder lol
id take it over expulsion or even suspension
@irule31795 once a teacher hit me with a set of keys and i thumb tacked his chair lmfao! same with u!
lol i remember seeing this on tv a few years ago. isn't it kinda weid that stephen fry (the headmaster) is gay in real life? ooo jus wrong...
@@dianerose7631 I was a child when I made that comment, 13 years later I’d say I completely agree with you
@@CaledonianCloud i agree too
3) i would be a lot nicer to teachers
wow that is so fake though...
Barbarism.
Gravy? English! Multiculturalism - yours society hates Muslims! Cricket - best game in the world with more following than most US sports. Real food? You ever been to a pub?
It scared me into being who i am today :)
well, lets see...I have one of the best jobs ever - and get paid well! I have a beatiful GF and get to go to amazing places like Lord's on a whim...
"*me* so what,i don't care if you think i need one i ain't movin'." besides not liek i'd to anythin to bad to "deserve one" tfft.pfft.maye just got annoied and "had an attitude" or "raised my voice" or somethin,aybe i got pissed and gave someone the slap/punch they deserved.if i wern't to angry i'd say sorry yadda yadda,to the person i punched/slapped,anger anger anger,sometimes i can get too easily angerd. but yea. lol.
what makes yours the finest?
ok we are the most democratic - lets start there
I be a walking pig if I was punished like this, I'd imagine some kids would. I'd beat up yell at talk smack to any teacher who dared to suggest this punishment. teachers don't care now adays thats all.
I bet Stephen Fry enjoyed this; usually he has to pay rent boys for the privilege.
BOOOOOOOOOOOOring Stephen Fry. Crap.
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