The Korean War Week 005 - The Allied Cluster f**k at Taejon - July 23, 1950
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- Опубликовано: 6 фев 2025
- Taejon falls this week to the advancing North Korean steam roller, but the fight there is complete chaos that even sees the top American General fleeing into the local hills. However, two divisions of American reinforcements have arrived and perhaps they can turn the tide. The US also has decided to massively increase its defense spending and conscript tens of thousands of men, which may well help to do that.
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9:45 Who wrote Judas Priest into the script? 🤟
11:13 Indy you accidentally called the 19th infantry Regiment the 9th Infantry Regiment
Did you get those phones from the set of '"The Prisoner"?
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The story about the T-34 crew casually smoking cigs and bumming fuel off an American is BEYOND hilarious. History is stranger than fiction.
I learned this while I was in the Air Force it probably has to do with the general structure of most any military. That is if you look “correct” you are “correct”. In that specific case it was probably assumed that they were ROK soldiers and the tank crew just had to “look correct”.
Pretty much what happened in the first days of the russian invasion of Ukraine. Just tank crews chilling, selling their fuel for vodka
Amogus
History is NOT stranger than fiction and also would you people stop copying and pasting this endlessly like a redditor
And for add-on information; history is sure strange without context. But everything is. History can be complicated, but if you dig the explanations are there, and make perfect sense.
@@tristanholland6445 This also works in peacetime.
Back in the mid 90s while a young Marine I arrived at Fort Sill Oklahoma along with a few other jarheads, slated to be trained to be artillery cannoneers. The problem was that the next artillery cannoneer class didn't start until another month and a half or so, and there is nothing the military hates more than leaving men idle. So, every day was being filled with pointless busywork while we waited for our class. Mowing lawns, painting buildings, that sort of thing.
While on one of these busywork tasks one day I found an unsecured clipboard and stole it. The next morning when some Staff NCO came trotting imperiously into our barracks looking for more "volunteers" for that days' busywork, I grabbed that clipboard, tucked it under an arm, and started walking like I already had some assigned purpose. He glanced at me, didn't say a word, and then grabbed a few other people. Once they left, I put the clipboard away, got out of my uniform, and crawled back into bed. Worked without fail for the rest of the week too, until I finally "escaped" by managing to get permission to going back home on recruiter's assistance for a month.
You know it's serious when Indie swears in the title
Indeed. One should note these inflection points.
This isn’t even the first time
That would be 1940
You know that statement is true when Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa makes it.
The title is a little reference to an older episode on WW2: ruclips.net/video/p-_mav0kw44/видео.html
They used exactly the same er, "word" in the title of one of the WW2 Channels episodes. But I couldn't tell you in a month of Sundays which one of them it may have been.
I have a feeling it was the fall of France, but I'm not sure.
My great-grandfather was General William F. Dean and I've been anxiously awaiting this episode the moment you guys announced the series. General Dean's son (my grandfather Bill) told me about how his father had knocked out a KPA T-34 with a hand grenade. I'm not sure if the image in Wikipedia titled 'General Dean's Kill!' is the exact tank he personally knocked out, but I remember he had that photograph framed in his home. From everything I've ever heard about the man, the men who knew General Dean thought he was an absolute paragon.
Thanks so much, TimeGhost, for the work you put in to preserving and presenting history! I'm proud to call myself part of the TimeGhost Army!
Thank you so much for your additional information about your brave grandfather, Major General William Dean. I live in the city of Daejeon and have always been interested in him and have asked many elderly people here about your grandfather’s capture. Evidently at the last minute after giving a brave fight against the overwhelming North Korean army, his jeep in leaving Daejeon took a wrong left turn that ended him being separated from the rest of the retreating force. He then took to the woods in the mountains and eventually was turned in to the North Korean Army. In this episode they say he was in the mountains for a month. I have heard it was not more than two weeks. When he was captured the North Koreans did not know that he was a major general. They also did not know that he was the highest raking American officer ever captured. When this was discovered, I am sure that the communists wanted to use him for propaganda. Evidently he resisted. When freed in 1953, he was given a hero’s welcome here in Korea. But he soon left for the US. His defense of our city, Daejeon, was truely heroic. The post war government president of EeSingRee invited him to Korea to thank him personally for his heroic service to the nation. He refused to return because he felt very embarrassed by his capture. We have a statue of him on BoMonSan. It is General Dean, with the Bazooka on his shoulder, preparing to knock out a T34 Russian tank. The bronze tablet at the base refers to him as one of the great fighters for the freedom of South Korea. Your grandfather is a hero here and a truely great person who personally helped us to resist the destruction of our nation. Without that few day delay of the North Korean army, they may have made it to Pusan. If that had happened it is doubtful that the war could have continued and maybe the US would have given up. The battle of Daejeon is a critical battle as it gave time for the US to fortify the Daegu/Buson perimeter. Few people understand how close we came to losing this war. The goal of the was to protect South Korea from the invasion of North Korea. We all realize how important this is when we look north and learn how people live in North Korea!
Your great-grand father was a true hero. All the South Koreans are thankful for his service.
I met your great grandfather when he was my escort to an 1968 Eagle Scout award banquet at the Kaiser building in Oakland. When he came into our home, my Dad stood up and saluted him. General Dean said, "I'm not a soldier anymore." My Dad just said, "you're are still a Medal of Honor recipient." I had a great time that night. (As a total aside, that General Dean was awarded the Combat Infantry Badge for his actions at Taejon speaks even more to his ferocity.)
- May 25th, 1940. The Allied Clusterfuck in France.
- July 23, 1950. The Allied Clusterfuck at Taejon in Korea.
Its like poetry it rhymes.
They had us in the first half, not gonna lie
*Daejeon
I’ve seen this one before
An unexpected sequel, thanks for watching!
The M20 "Super Bazooka" rocket launcher needed to take on T-34 is shown briefly at 14 minutes into the video. - The longer sequence at 14 minutes and 30 seconds shows the older, smaller, M9 Bazooka of WW2 vintage that struggled to take out T-34s.
Thanks. I'll tell the editors.
@@Southsideindy Also remember that Indy correctly stated it's 3.5", while later stating it as 60mm. The M20 was 3.5", the old Bazooka was 60mm.
Funny America saw the panzerschreck which was larger was a hell of a lot better and essentially made their own
@@Vapefly0815 Actually, he said "60 cm," which temporarily confused me.
@@jackham4407 Yup, without any significant technological breakthrough you can always scale up the diameter and get a decent boost in penetration.
Around the 17 min mark: A commander named Gaye telling his subordinate to keep his back door open. Indy delivered that line deadpan.
And to protect young dong!
You got it backwards, somebody told Gaye to keep his backdoor open.
It still can't be beat by Indy trying to keep a straight face while talking about British MP Seymour Cocks.
Once more i know why i study history. The picture of an American Major General running around in a Korean Town with an Anti-Tank-Squad behind him is something you just can't make up, because noone would believe it.
This whole battle would make the best dark comedy war film.
@@theempiredidnothingwrong3227 Yeah it's called MASH
@@ReverendMeat51 Thanks for reminding me of one of the greatest military TV show ever made. Now if you excuse me I must rebinge the whole thing go rexpiernce it’s glory. My life is gone for next week.
In 1990, after college/ROTC, I entered the USArmy as a young 'butterbar' Second Lieutenant. I attended Infantry Officers Basic Course at Ft Benning, Ga. Even though it was 40 years after events in Korea, the instructors hammered home regularly, "no more Task Force Smiths".
That's how significant the impact of these events were, to the Army psyche. We were told again and again "train as you would fight, fight to win", and for my entire decade on active service, no matter the political climate or how peaceful the situation, the standard was to train regularly for war, and to regularly receive and provide evaluations of combat related performance.
We studied the combat actions of TF Smith itself, but until the last few weeks I had no idea the level & breadth of how sub-par the performance of our units was in battle.
Thank you for these detailed descriptions of combat actions.
My grandfather served from 1950-1953. Was at the siege of pusan. And at Taejon. Along with Taegu. Remember the korea vets!
Wild!
Thanks for sharing.
@@TheKoreanWarbyIndyNeidell forward observer for the 24th, after taejon was absorbed into the 1st cavalry division. Artillery motto was "On time"
William Dean, otherwise known as Absolute Madlad! "WHICH WAY DID IT GO?!"
It sounds heroic (and it is), but if you have gotten to the point a two-star general is running around doing a sergeant's job, something has seriously gone wrongo.
@@MM22966Yep. Generals should be at a command post keeping an eye on the battlefield and monitoring the overall strategic and operational situation, not participating in tactical engagements.
That scene with the headquarters and that T34 tank would never have happened if Dean was in his HQ.
Though realistically, with communications breaking down he had no choice but to go out there himself and fight.
@@aaroncabatingan5238 Pretty much. Once you completely lose control like that there's nothing left to be done but go and fight it out.
Indie has busted out serious chest hair for a serious situation.
I sure have
Yeah baby !
I would assume the KPA has 'borrowed' his tie ...
Ginseng supplements?
I think I already saw this title about the Fall of France in 1940.
Yup. It's the "well, we had a date at 5, you didn't show up by 4h30, so I left" one. This will absolutely only make sense if you remember the episode.
@@DrVictorVasconcelosoh I think I remember that. Some French guy was supposed to meet with a British guy but the British guy wasn’t there or something right?
Yep good spot, here's the episode: ruclips.net/video/p-_mav0kw44/видео.html
“The Allied Clusterf**k - Battle of France - WW2 - May 25th 1940” (1950 Korean remastered version)
*Part 2: Electric Boogaloo
“New and Improved” clusterfuck
** Ten year anniversary edition
@@thomphin3261 k-pop remix
Feels really really weird that the Battle of France was only 10 years ago by this point in 1950. So much has changed in just 10 years, meanwhile if we go back by 10 years now in 2014, not much has really changed, I only grew older I would say.
Meanwhile in the United States, combat veterans of World War 2 who had just gotten themselves on sound financial footing by resuming the family business or establishing themselves just out of college, or finally having landed an established job, find themselves on re activation notice, especially select Military Occupation Specialties and former line and field officers. Many are forced to sell out for cheap or to close, losing their equity, leaving their newly started families in rough circumstances.
My father a Korean War veteran explained this to me, his unit especially having a number of civil engineers and skilled construction trade workers. Many of the recalled officers went on to stay in the Armed Forces.
@@lynnwood7205 lots of doctors were drafted, and nurses. Hence the resentment between the regular army docs and the drafted docs in MASH
@@pedrolopez8057 I imagine so
The last lines of an Indy Neidell video are almost always pure fire.
Thank you for the lovely comment, he writes all the weekly episodes himself!
- Jake
Douglas MacArthur wants to use nukes this soon? he's high on American Spirit for sure.
Mac saw them as just another weapon in his arsenal. The doctrine for how to employ them was still under development. He later crated a plan to nuke Chinese bases and staging areas that would have called for the use of 50 of them. The plan was never approved for a variety of reasons, not the least of which was keeping a sharp eye on Soviet intentions in Europe. The USSR was the greatest threat to the West, not Korea.
In his autobiography he mentions wanting to sever Manchuria from the Korean peninsula using radioactive waste for what that's worth.
Just imagine if the Soviets didn't have nukes at this point. Truman probably would have let MacArthur do it
@@Turf-yj9ei I doubt it. The Soviets had very few nukes at this point and no effective intercontinental delivery system. Stalin was not going to risk a mushroom cloud over Moscow to save North Korea. He had been very hesitant to support the invasion in the first place and only agreed to support it when Kim Il Sung assured him it would be a cakewalk.
At the time many American officers assumed atomic weapons were a normal part of the arsenal. They were seen as just a big bomb with a little extra spice. I believe Periscope Films on RUclips has a video from the time that talks about sending troops in about two hours after a bomb has been dropped.
In one draft, I believe of the later landing at Incheon, called for a ring of atomic bombs prior to the battle in order to disrupt resupply by the North. Sanity prevailed and this idea was dropped.
Such a weird situation. A Major General doing anti-tank work really is as stupid as anything I can think of but it was a pretty unusual situation.
I think it’s even more stupid considering there were no other officers fit for command. The Assistant Division Commander was the frail 58-year-old Pearson Menoher, who will be evacuated for health problems in August (excuse the spoiler). The Division Artillery commander, BG Henry Meyer, was on leave in the United States. The division’s chief of staff was a drunk, and none of the regimental commanders have much experience in regimental command, let alone divisional levels.
Similar situation with a general on the beach on D Day. When communications break down and everything is going to hell somebody has to step in and personally get things organized and moving. Those tanks needed stopped so he organized and led from the front. I like it.
@@tyharris9994I think it’s vaguely similar. The major differences I see are that on D-Day the regimental commanders are the ones taking charge and restoring order, and to great effect. There is a reason almost all of them ended up wearing stars by the end of their career. In the few cases that American generals went in (Roosevelt and Cota), neither were divisional commanders, they were each assistant division commanders. Their bosses, Barton and Gerhardt respectively, didn’t come ashore until later. The largest difference is in the quality of the men. When the Americans landed in Normandy on D-Day, they did so with a mix of either combat veterans or able, highly trained but untested men who would turn out to be as able as their more experienced comrades.
With the 24th Division in Korea, at least initially the leadership is terribly lacking. Dean was the only one who had commanded at the divisional level before. His ADC, Menoher, was a frail old man who held the position more out of respect and courtesy than merit. His regimental commanders are largely inexperienced, with several already having been wounded, killed or fired. The men of the 24th were terribly trained, of low morale and aptitude, and were pitifully under supplied when they entered Korea. I personally cannot justify Dean, one of the few who understood and had experience at his job, running around like an NCO while his division disintegrated around him (in part due to his own poor tactical decisions).
Reminds me of Napoleon aiming a cannon himself trying to prevent the coallition from reaching Paris in winter 1814
I highly recommend the movie The Steel Helmet from 1951 for a sense of what the early days of the Korean War was like for average GI. The director Samuel Fuller was a combat veteran himself and it really captures what makes the US army so unique.
My dad was in the 1st. Cav from Japan. His regiment, the 7th., was largely doing clerical work. They were delayed from landing because of a cyclone. They didn't have any combat training nor any combat gear. They hit the beach in office uniforms wearing street shoes. They gave my dad's squad the choice of either taking a mortar, a .50 cal or a bazooka. They picked the .50 cal because one guy in his squad was nicknamed 'Frankenstein' due to how big he was and could carry the gun. I really appreciate these as they help me fill in the gaps of things my dad couldn't remember - was only 18. He joined up with his best friend in high school, they both didn't want to join airborne so they instead went to Japan.
This Browning was sitting in dusty old barracks and was of WW1 vintage. It had a huge 'tombstone' magazine with it. Just try to imagine these three teens going into this room to pick out this .50 cal. that nobody had even practiced with whatsoever. That gun was the one used later on in that No Gun Ri massacre. But wasn't my dad - he wasn't on duty at the time but it was their gun from Japan.
"The recruiting posters that had induced most these men to enter the Army mentioned all conceivable advantages and promised many good things but never suggested that the principle business of an army is to fight."
How these things repeat themselves and we never seem to learn from them.
Canada had higher recruitment by a more aggressive ad campaign, join to fight for real, during the Afghan situ than its join for a career ads since.
@@jackgraves5121 I was an Army recruiter for two and a half years during the surge, and I always hated the Army's marketing strategy. I swore once I left that dumpster fire of a command that if I were ever ordered back out there that I would make posters that said "Fighting men and women wanted! We'll guarantee you a medal, a body bag, or both," and put them all over town. I figured that it would either get me sent back to the force, or it would backfire wildly and I'd have so many applicants that I couldn't process them all.
Absolutely amazing that anyone would join the military and think that they wouldn't be fighting, at least when a war is going on. That's like joining the navy and never imagining it involved boats. Especially amazing when this was rather recent since WW2; it's 1950, WW2 ended only five years earlier! You'd think that the amount of people who went through that directly or indirectly would have prevented this kind of thing from happening, the way you might have expected it during WW1.
@@shawnconway6009 I just retired from the Army aftet 23 years. I served through the entirety of GWOT amd deployed to Iraq. Once the draw downs start, you'd be surprised just how quickly that experience is lost and complacency sets it.
It's Taegu. The softer Daegu pronunciation was a mandate by the Seoul elite, who have a softer dialect, but the locals in the southern part of the peninsula have a dialect that hits the consonants harder than the Seoul dialect. So it's Taegu, Pusan, Taejon, Pohang, etc. That's how the locals pronounce their own towns, so that's how the U.N forces pronoiunced those towns. It was during the preparations for the 1988 Olympics, when the Seoul government mandated new English spellings, with softer consonants for many cities and towns. D rather than T. B rather than P. G rather than K.
To clarify: it is a common notion that shape-charge warheads "melt" the armor. Actually, the temperatured doesn't reach that high. It's just that the pressure of the explosion is so focused that it can punch through thick layers of armor.
I believe the 60mm rocket is what the original M1/M9 bazooka would have fired, the 3.5" M20 would have fired an 88.9mm rocket.
I noticed this, but perhaps Indy was referring to the length of the rocket?
@@aegirkarl1411 a 60mm long rocket would be about the size of a hand grenade
@@kelariusable Yes, 60mm long 88.9mm rocket would be shorter than it’s wide but Indy said 60cm long.
He is referring to the length of the M28A2 rocket used in the M20 Super Bazooka, which is 60 *centimeters* long as he said at 14:46. He got the facts right on this one.
@@ndx6779 I stand corrected, I heard mm instead of cm which is accurate, just kind of a coincidence that the M1 tube was 60mm diameter.
I think you should bring back the biography specials as a way to enter into more details. One on William Dean, espefially on his actions during this week and his subsequent capture and imprisonment would be really interesting, for example. He was one of the last generals in history to fight on the frontline.
Hi Indy
Thrilling week.
Lot to learn about this war.
Awaiting for more.
Thanks
Might I recommend that when you're showing a map you also show a mini map showing the whole peninsula with that location highlighted? I would think that most of your audience don't know where these locations are.
I served on the USS Nitze, glad to hear her namesake mentioned! And you pronounced it correctly! Most say either Nit-zee or Nitz.
I am curious if there will be a special regarding Mobile Army Hospitals? I know I'm not talking about the TV series but you hear a lot more/have more focus about actual Mobile Army Hospitals when Korea took off(Yes the TV show helped in that recognition). You think of the soldiers going through the meat grinder on a daily basis, then you have the medical staff trying to keep them alive through it all. I love this work and all the historical research that goes into it and all series!
Hi I am loving this new series. One thing though, is there anyway you could make the military unit markers (divisions, regiments etc) a bit bigger please as I find them hard to read. Many thanks
After 10 years in the making. We finally got a proper sequel to the fustercluck that happened in France in 1940.
This fully deserves to have swearing in the title. The whole sequence starting with Dean hunting a tank is insanity.
Such a smooth transition into the Time Ghost Army bit at the end!
That last line really hits. Well said.
TFW your name is Hobart Gay and you're told to keep your back door open.
In the words of George Takei,
“Oooh my!”
And protect Yeongdong.
@@DS-tv2fi "Oooh! Oh mah lord!"
I have enjoyed and learned alot so far on the Korean War. I have done 2 tours of the ROK as a member of the US Army and Korea has become a 1st world country since the War. Also, the ROK military, considering what little they had, and training did do the as good of a job fighting against their invader. I would not want to go against the ROK military today as they are a hard and tough force to be recon with. Just as the old Viet Cong.
The KPA was EXTREMELY well organized, holy shit
At about 14:50 when your discussing the bazooka's you get a little mixed up. The WW2 2.36 inch bazooka was 60mm, the newly arriving 3.5 inch weapon is 89mm.
@@AndrewBlacker-t1d A spelling Nazi, shock, awwww there there.
I very much enjoyed your video and I gave it a Thumbs Up
Thanks Great job. awesome series
It would be interesting to see something that actually covers the other side and takes into account their experiences and perspective. As is it's just another reliving "the glory days" narrative that doesn't take into account that even in South Korea it is common knowledge that according to the findings of their own government that 80% of the war crimes committed in the Korean War were committed by the American and South Korean forces.
@@DinoCism until you realize the same source you used only has sources to graves in the South. The North can and should have participated, if the percentages are the same during the UN occupation. North Korea can only gain diplomatic wins. They have nothing to lose, everything to gain. Yet they did not, seems suspicious
Awesome episode!
I know it says "Clusterf**k" in the title, but holy moly I was not expecting a clusterf**k of THIS magnitude.
No one is ever ready for those -TimeGhost Ambassador
Would have loved to hear the story of Sergeant George D. Libby of the 24th Infantry Division, who was killed while protecting a Half-track full of wounded soldiers with his own body. He recieved the Medal of Honor for his action during the withdrawn after the Battle of Taejon on July 20th.
Korean War Week 005 episode: I did not review the comments to see if this was mentioned. Indy called the Super Bazooka (3.5") round as 60 mm. That size was the original Bazooka round. Bigger one should be near 90mm. Near the 14:50-ish time mark in the video. Just correcting this accidental error.
The rocket was about 24" or 60mm in length with an 3.5" or 89mm warhead.
-TimeGhost Ambassador
We all remember the Monty Python sketch where a soldier wants to quit the Army because he joined for the advertised water skiing....
Well, I want to play the piano.
Ive never heard of that. Must be a bit too old for my time
9:46 Didn't expect a Judas Priest reference in a Korean war video but I like it :D
I wondered who'd get it. I got way more happy writing it than I likely should have.
Ah ha! So it wasn't just me!
What song did he reference? Sorry, I’m young. 😂
@@Icicle_Racing ruclips.net/video/3rChtdCdCnM/видео.html
Living after Midnight.
@@Icicle_Racing Living After Midnight
The American government treated post WW2, pre Korean War, S.K., as just another Banana republic, complete with a lightly armed parade army, led by the standard usual leader of the firestarter variety. The Soviets treated post WW2, pre Korean War, N.K., as a fully formed Communist dictatorship, with its well trained, well armed, soldiers ready for war as a fully functional "special branch" of the Red Army.
Well the US did not want to expand militarily and therefore did not need or want a huge military establishment for themself or their clients. This desire not to spend on the military and bring the troops home,especially by congress is one of the issues continually brought up in the WW2 series as the war in the pacific is reaching its end. Military expansion as an end in itself does not seem to have benefited the Soviet Union.
The US government also withheld aid because they expected Rhee to invade the North if he had a fully equipped army.
@@rob-xo2ygKnowing Rhee, yeah I see why the Americans would think that.
@@aaroncabatingan5238 Some of the pre-war border clashes were started by ROK troops, and Rhee sometimes engaged in wild talk about charging north to the Yalu. Not arming the ROK Army with anything heavier than some armoured cars was meant to discourage such ambitions.
Loving this series 😊
We have some specials on the way too!
I caught the Judas Priest lyrics. Well played, sir. Well played.🤘🤘
Thanks for watching!
Absolutely loving the color combat footage!
Happy to hear!
Indy, really really loving this series.
If I may, have you checked out a book titled "From Pusan to Panmunjon (Memories of War)", a memoir by general Paik, Sun Yup.
Pretty sure the book is a required/recommended reading for US Army officers being assigned to USFK (United States Forces Korea).
It's probably the best primary source of the Korean War from a S. Korean view, written by someone who was in command if ROKA 1st Division when the Korean War started.
I understand why he talks mostly from the perspective of the US, but I wish he would also cover more of the Korean perspective.
Indy dropping an f bomb in the title. Yeah, not going well for us so far lol
I absolutely love this channel and all the work from TimeGhost. Indy mentioned the contingent of Royal Australian Navy deployed to Korea in the early years of the war. My Grandfather was actually on one of those ships, the HMAS Warramunga and would deploy several times over the war (He would also later serve in Malaya and leave the Royal Australian Navy just before the outbreak of Vietnam). He developed asbestosis as a result of his service yet spoke extremely highly of his time in the military and even refused to apply for compensation for his illness. He passed away in the middle of 2023 at 92 years old and was incredibly patriotic to his last breath. The work you guys do to keep these stories alive goes well beyond just mere educational documentaries. Thank you so much for keeping our history alive!!
Can I have a suggestion? When you show zoomed in map of the current battle, do like Wikipedia and Google Earth do - in lower right corner show little zoomed out map of the whole region to help us orientate ourselves better. Thank you.
And it worked. Thank you for implementing ny suggestion ;)
New Zealand also sent naval forces on 3 July. Seems to have taken them an awful long time to get to Korea though - but they were there by the end of August.
When hearing some of the stories I'm wondering if MASH wasn't actually a dockumentary...
Cool episodes, sadly the divisions were not prepared!
Lets do a 100-years war week by week coverage after this series
Actually one year for one week would be quite enough, there was long period where nothing happen
Thank you for this video series on the Korean War. It is remarkable to be learning about a conflict that was hardly mentioned in history classes I had in school-and I am a baby boomer. It is mind boggling that nothing was seemingly learned between 1945 and 1950. Yes, hindsight is most definitely 20/20 but not being able to see past cocktail parties and golf games to recognize the threat of the USSR is unbelievable to say the least. Talk about being unprepared. SMH🤦♀️
What threat of the USSR ??? 😂😂 They just came out of a war for their very sirvival as a people, not someone you pick fights with
@@Cotac_Rastic How, exactly, did anyone pick a fight with them? Communists were evil 75yrs ago and are evil now.
As a child growing up in the ‘50’s USA, we had 3 fears-the Boogie Man, Communists and Nuclear War. I’m surprised that we aren’t all on Anti-Anxiety meds as adults.
14:56 Shape Charges dont "burn" through armour :) They push a "jet" of metal through the Armour. That jet is indeed quite hot, but thats not relevant for the penetrative power. The concentration of a whole lot of kinetic power on a small area is. I have a video in German explaining that mechanism on my channel :) Nice episode, as always.
I'm still straggling behind the 21st...
My dad served in the Aus Navy in Korea. He rarely spoke about it.
Great video, as always. Is it possible to do a zoomed out, then zoom in map? My knowledge of Korean geography is not (yet) up to scratch.
I can pass the suggestion on, thanks for watching!
- Jake
I loved the book by T R Fehrenbach, This Kind Of War, amazing history of the Korean War. Haven’t read the books referenced here in this series but now I want to!
Great episode as always, but those phones on Indy's desk, I don't recall seeing any like that much more than maybe 60 years ago. I'm in my 70s now but does anyone at least in his/her late 70s recall seeing those cobra like phones during the early 1950s? Assuming some people actually remember seeing such phones as early as 1950 that's an amazing touch by Indy to put them on his desk for this Korean War series!
I looked it up (wikipedia): "The Ericofon was designed in the late 1940s by a design team including Gösta Thames, Ralph Lysell, and Hugo Blomberg." SO, avante garde, but not impossible :)
As @clasdauskas said designed in the late 40s! By 1956 they were sold for public purchase in Europe and Australia.
I saw one of those phones being used by the TVA guys in the latest Deadpool movie, I wondered if Indy was on the other side
I'm subscribed to this channel, and I still didn't get a notice that this video dropped 15 hours ago - like I had for every previous video here so far.
No, I don't have the bell clicked, but I get all the notifications from the WW2 in real time channel without it clicked there. 🤔
Yeah, McCarthy has a list... In his pants! (sorry - american late night talk show running gag reference.)
Great video I hope to see you guys upload more in the future 😊
Brilliant Episode!!!
Thanks for watching!
Week in Review
Military Industrial Complex: Hell yeah, baby!
Americans in Taejon: Shit show.
Other allies: nervous whining
Russian and China: Pass the popcorn, please.
North Korea: Damn, this is pretty easy!
South Korea: I'm too big to fail!
Shaped charges work by using pressure. They basicly make the armor "flow" away. They dont use heat. But its a common misconception reinforced by the name for shaped charge ammunition "High Explosive Anti Tank" or "HEAT".
The Super Bazooka used a 90mm rocket. The 60mm was used by the old version which was insufficient to destroy the T-34.
Thanks TG
"Okay, three tokens" was really funny
17:30 (spoilers for ww2 in real time fans) Hobart Gay was in the car carrying Patton when it was hit by a truck back in 1945. Patton was injured and died a few days later.
Meanwhile....In the UK the first major sabotage acts occurred in July, with 9 naval Ammo barges 'mysteriously' blowing up in Portsmouth. The Ammo was intended for ships heading for Korea. there were numerous other, lesser, acts of sabotage, but this ws, AFAIK, the worst. My late Father was recalled to the RN (much to his disgust, after serving from 1936 - 1948, and being invalided out!) and was in Pompey at the time. He told me that there wa a lot of 'Bolshy' - his word - agitation among the dockyard workers, with Uncle Joe still being regarded by many as something of a hero.
12:20 There is 1 imposter Among Us 😭
Hi Indie -- We know a lot about the German generals who led the Blizkriegs, and the Soviet generals who led the drives to the West. Who were the North Korean generals who led such an amazingly successful attack on the South? Do we know? Thanks for so many fascinating presentations.
This title gives me some kind of deja vu . Where have i seen it before🤔🤔
Somewhere 10 years ago maybe? Thanks for watching!
Indy, do you have plans to use the resources of the Truman and Eisenhower Presidential Libraries in this series?
After WW2, the Army was now #3 priority in the budget. The advent of atomic weapons made the newly formed Air Force #1 and the Navy was desperate to be relevant in atomic strategy, left at #2. The Army kept a force structure way beyond their ability to properly fund, they needed spots for the officers who stayed after WW2. Duty in Japan was ceremonial, parades and such. The equipment wasn't updated, the old stuff was just polished for parades. The 3.5in Bazooka had been developed in WW2 but since it was believed there would never be another conventional war, never produced in quantity. The USA wasn't prepared for the age of the 'brush fire war' and it took to long to regain the advantage we had achieved just 6 years earlier. This Kind of War...
Small note on how shaped charges actually work:
Whether the resultant plasticized copper mass is a long jet or a solid slug, penetration is achieved in the same way: sheer velocity.
I never knew "Lightning Joe" Collins became Chief of Staff.Nice one.
Livin' After Midnight!
Rockin to the Dawn.
Lovin' 'til the morning.
Then I’m gone, I’m gone.
After Midnight you say? Verify your clock.
@9:45 They was all geared up to score again, loaded, loaded. Ha. JP. Nice one. I played that song for years in different bands. Now, of course, it's living until around 9:30 - 10, tops. Cheers.
You know it's gonna be a good episode when Indy quotes a Judas Priest song.
Had to do a double take to make sure I wasn’t hearing things but I love the Judas Priest reference.
**sits down and proceeds to wait several weeks for the Canadians, the Turks and the Filipinos to be mentioned**
and Aussies
@@divarachelenvy The Aussies got mentioned in the second? episode. Our Mustangs shot up a South Korean train!
This series is highlighting why the modern US military is the way it is today. This fighting retreat is a unique situation that I doubt the US military would find itself in ever again. That to the two retreating convos shooting at each other, etc. It goes to show lots of these seemingly random Army rules and regulations had their origins in conflicts like Korea. Really interesting
Yep, never happened in Vietnam nope
@@derrickstorm6976in vietnam such retreat never happened in battle
Thank you for the lesson.
And thank you for watching.
Just remembered this, Hobart Gay of the 1st Cavalry Division was missing an eyeball as a result of an accident suffered during the interwar period.
The injury forced him to leave the cavalry for the quartermaster corps, where he began his rise to Major General on the staff of George Patton.
This is a good illustration why you can’t take a combat vets experience at face value. It’s harder to remember events exactly as they happen especially with chaos, time, and exaggeration.
This is worth watcing twice
@@AndrewBlacker-t1deh, you got the point
@@AndrewBlacker-t1d This is a spelling error, they clearly know "simple words." Just a small mistake, chill.
@@AndrewBlacker-t1d "watching" is the active inflectional form of, "watch" and not a word of its own right. You should learn basic grammar and then whine about insignificant spelling errors
Thanks for watching!
Alright Korean War Week 5
Great show :) How cool, is that not a VFR chart?
The Korean War is only a month old and in one month the North Koreans seem unstoppable advancing deep into the Allies' lines. The Allies themselves after reeling from their long rest since World War Two have to regather and focus on what is at hand. Even more so, political machinations are taking place whereby the Cold War is only five years old and both the US and the USSR will build up their forces in a political game of chess. The Korean War is only but a pawn in the grand schemes of political maneuverers but that pawn has cost the lives of thousands and will only continue to do so. Godspeed to those who died in the Korean War.
This reminds me of an old apocryphal quote about the US Army: “the Americans do not feel the need to read their manuals, no do they feel obligated to follow their doctrine”
Feels good to finally be early!
Thanks for watching the premiere!
there's this computer game, the Operational Art of War, and the first scenario puts you in charge of NATO forces in the Korean war.
I started playing only to have ally lines overrun and enemy columns streaming into major cities. i thought i had done something to lose so bad... i didn't realize that's how it was *supposed* to begin.
i mean... i knew things started out bad but i think growing up in the era of MASH altered my perception of the war.
Gonna have to go back and revisit that scenario again now... maybe play along with the show! 🤔