Lee Strobel is why I'm an atheist. He gave a sermon at a church near me in San Diego and I attended because I was hoping to have a reason to return to practicing my faith as I had imagined I would when I got older. His talk was so uncompelling, it was the lowest form of pandering to people who weren't actually questioning anything. I walked out of the church realising there was a massive problem and I had get outside of the group think. Days later I watch a lecture by Bart Ehrman and I realized I couldn't believe anymore.
I believe that those in the industry call that _working as intended._ Of course, Strobel doesn't know it... it's like when you're on a prank show and you think you're pranking your friend, but the real prank victim is you and you think you're so smart the whole time until at the end it goes horribly wrong and then everybody turns on you and goes "Gotcha!" and you sit there wondering what just happened for three hours _because let's face it you're not that quick on the uptake and fortunately the magic of editing makes you look better in post_ and suddenly it dawns on you that maybe there's something you're missing [Time passes] hey wait a minute you're the one who just got pranked! Lee Strobel is that idiot getting pranked while thinking he's the one pranking.
In hindsight all of religion feels like a prank for me. Like you said I was in the position to think it was all the other religions who had it wrong, but I was born into the right one. Lucky me, haha. I bump into Christians still that actually think much of the Bible isn't true, like the Moses meme with the Google maps screenshot showing it's a six day walk from Cairo to Jerusalem circulating on FB right now, and still they think it's good to teach this to children. It's quite fascinating to see adults act this way.
As a former Mormon myself I can definitely confirm that they try to twist stories like that of your brother. I'm amazed they didn't go with the whole "satan's power is stronger in standing water" thing that also keeps missionaries from being able to swim. Which always struck me as odd given how baptism works.
I genuinely tried to read the book, but had to stop after the 3rd or 4th blatant circular argument. Lee Strobel: How do you know Jesus is God? Interviewee: I have this evidence. Lee Strobel: How do you know the evidence is true? Interviewee: Because Jesus is God. Lee Strobel. Good argument!
My sympathies, Mr D. I also lost my sister to an epileptic seizure and I share your pain and grief. Good thing she wasn't named Linda though... I don't know why, but I had an horrible flash at your mere mention of that name. Excellent vid... Keep 'em coming
I was saved from death while choking in a restaurant, too. But rather than crediting some imaginary entity for it, I thanked the waitress who performed the proper maneuver. And I was very glad about Dr. Heimlich for making the maneuver so well known. Even if a year later he died and never rose from the dead.
Ah, yes, the selectively-loving Heavenly Father ... Brings to mind the timeless words penned by Epicurus: "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
All the cognitive biases inherent in the human brain should be taught in public schools from an early age. Critical thinking education is the best defense against ignorance.
Thanks :D idea: you could make a short film where this person called Kee Atrobel says "I'm going to look into if there is not a god" points to his wall where there are lots of diploma's and such that show he is the worlds top researcher, then he's like "Time to find out!.... Is there a god?" And then just play clips of people saying "no". At the end of, several people from youtube and such (pick me pick me!) he would look very deeply at the camera and pose like the thinker and there is dramatic music that gets louder as he stands and a light shines on his face. "WOW! THERE IS NO GOD!" and then you see a bunch of people clapping as tears roll down his cheats, and ~fin
A Baptist preacher recommended this book to me after I told him that More Than A Carpenter was an uncompelling rant of circular reasoning and confirmation bias. Thank you for saving my time by revealing this to be the same biased malarkey that I suspected.
Having to listen to your story of losing your brother and hearing the pain in your voice sent me to tears. Hats off to you for escaping the craziness that is religion. Keep the amazing vids coming!
On a serious note, many thanks for your willingness to talk about your family and the loss of your brother. You have my heartfelt sympathy. On the lighter side, thank you for your selfless sacrifice on our behalf. I never would have suffered through the whole two hours. And finally, apropos of nothing really, Our Lady of pervasive incompetence (or maybe it should be incompetents) is a great name for a church.
You choked me up with that story of your brother. I'm sorry you had to deal with that, and on top of it, the insanity of fundamentalist Christian parenting, which fucked me up as a child, and worse as a gay teen.. When it comes to "The Case For Christ", I and a few of my atheists friends who come from devout households, had been given the book, or had it suggested to us, as absolute proof and a guarantee that we'd find Christ. I was amazed, as you were, that this "journalist" was wooed by these apologists and that he did not include equivalent opposing views. I'm thrilled you included Bob Price's book! His rebuttal devastated Strobel with a precision and plethora of information that could only come from Price! I'd say it's almost overkill, the extent to which Price picks that book apart. The cherry on top of all this is that both I and my friend, Travis, have offered or suggested to our family members Bob's rebuttal. I know you'll be shocked to hear that, while we read Strobel to appease them, all Christian members of both of our families have refused to read "The Case Against"... Anyway, thanks for this and everything you do, sir! Cheers!
I read a copy of the Case for Christ with a preface from Lee Strobel in which he pretty much makes it clear that he was merely apathetic to religion. His journey begins due to issues with his wife who had become evangelical and he was looking for a way to find common ground. When I read this book I was already skeptical but hadn't yet concluded that I was an atheist, definitely not a "militant" atheist. At that time I found Strobel's religious apathy similar to my own, so in my mind, Strobel wasn't an atheist ...he was an agnostic who hadn't seriously considered the question about the existence of God. Lee has since taken to calling himself a "former atheist" to boost his profile among evangelicals and the first time I heard this claim all I could think was, "Wait....what? No he wasn't"
I received a copy of Case For Christ by a local god-botherer. I read it and then I went and read The Case Against the Case For Christ. Robert Price is a better litigator than Lee Strobel. Also, Strobel lies in the beginning of his book. He refers to a case he 'helped' crack while he was a reporter, he even cites his own article in the book. But if you go and read it (thanks to the Tribune posting back issues online) he was not as closely involved in the newspaper article than in the book.
Oh Mr D, first of all I'm sorry to hear that you had such a rough childhood and lost a brother at that young age, I do understand that it must have been very hard. Thank you for going through these nonsense and unpacking everything in a fun way because I would have had a stroke from all the nonsense. :) I wish the best for you my friend and keep up the good work
Good video! Thanks for taking one for the team as it were. I was curious about the film/book but on the fence about the cash donation to their cause. I'll buy you a beer if we ever meet up.
I was amazed at how poorly he "investigated" things when I was reading The Case for God. He would congratulate himself for The Case for Christ a few times, talk about his past as a hard-boiled skeptical reporter, and then walk from room to room at the Discovery Institute and talk to people who weren't experts in the particular discipline that was under discussion for the chapter. It's been a while since I've read it, but there would be something like a theoretical discussion of the universal expansion and he'd go visit someone who used to be a chemist so he could be told you just don't get carbon forming under those conditions so evolution can't be true. Yes, I may have made that example up, but it falls in line with the general gist of every frigging chapter. I can remember reading the original Mad Magazine spoof "A Clockwork Lemon" when I was very young, and recall some key parts of it even though I have not read it since. I cannot recall any salient points of The Case for God that I read five years ago. That speaks to its triteness.
Jim, a co-worker of my dad's, choked at dinner. My dad did Heimlich, and he survived. "All praise Jesus! He saved Jim. It wasn't his time!" Two weeks later Jim died from complications during cancer surgery. "All praise Jesus! It was his time, and he wanted Jim to be with him!" #answersForEverything.
I have epilepsy myself, and it's a pain just trying to enjoy life living with it. And one thing I despise about religion is the teaching that epilepsy is caused by demonic possession.
I've been saying the same thing about Strobel for a while now. He's either one of the worst lawyers and investigative journalist ever or a snake oil salesmen.
I read Strobel's book several years ago. Pretty bad even for apologists. Being an atheist is akin to learning how the magician does his tricks, there is no going back.
Awesome review!! I do have to thank Lee for this book, though. It was instrumental in my deconversion from Xianity. The answers to the questions that he tried to answer were so terrible, that I was forced to look at secular sources. The rest is sweet atheist history.
Thanks! Yes, I use a prompter. But I also ad-lib if I think of something funny, insightful, or relevant I want to add. That's obviously not true for the narrative videos like Mr. Deity or The Bourne Again Identity. That's stuff is memorized. But I write and rewrite and rewrite everything you see here - with the exception of the first "Fuck the Pope." That one, I wrote in five minutes in a fit of righteous anger and shot it twenty minutes later. Pure outrage!
If you were replying to me, BB, then this is what I found: "A Critique of a Popular Bible Passage Shows It’s Not the Powerful Evidence Christians Imagine" -- www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexamined/2016/03/a-critique-of-a-popular-bible-passage-shows-its-not-the-powerful-evidence-christians-imagine/ Oops! Bungalow Bill seems to have been taken up into heaven. He will, no doubt, be back any day now, sometime in the next ten or twenty thousand millenia.
Standard critique. If it sounds earlier (or dosen't fit their narrative) then it was probably added later. Except that is pure assumption. Ehrman addresses such assumptions in his debate with Price that I posted in my OP.
+Bungalow Bill I watched the Ehrman vs. Price debate. It was as inconclusive as a debate about the color of Goldilocks hair ribbon. There may have been a "historical Jesus". Or there may not have been. Or maybe he was just a conflation of wandering preachers and pagan gods. Did you know that 500 years BCE three magi (astrologers) attended the birth of Zoroaster? We do know, that right from the beginning, Christians have been divided in their opinions about Jesus. Paul was contemptuous of James and Cephas (Peter?). But then Paul tells one story, and the author of Acts tells us something quite different. Matthew and Luke give Jesus two different genealogies and tell two different "Christmas" stories, and none of the Gospels agree about details of the "Resurrection". You've noticed that? Maybe there was a Jesus. But maybe not! Maybe he did miracles, but that seems ... improbable.
+Bungalow Bill 'What you are left with is really simple. The most extreme case of mass delusion in history. The most extreme case of mass lying in history. Or a truthful account by honest men." I don't know if it has to be the most extreme case. I smell a false dichotomy. But a god who must be tortured in order to forgive us for something he knew we were going to do when he created us, is just ... unbelievable, and even if believed, certainly unworthy of respect. As for an account by honest men: I haven't believed a preacher since Innocent III proclaimed, "Deus vult!"
Ok. Congratulations I guess. Not really an argument though. And yeah, could be argued as the most extreme case in history. In relation to the subject, its place in and influence on history, and the claims being made. And that was the same stumbling block to the Jews. even though they were staring it in the face for a few thousand years with the temple sacrifices. And it had been proclaimed many times in their own scripture, such as in Danial 9 v26
Its strangely comforting to see this video from you right now. I noticed this movie on Rotten Tomatoes last week (had no idea it was coming out) and was somewhat dismayed by all the 'good' reviews of it. They basically say what you did at the beginning. Well-written, well acted, etc. and I agree with your congratulatory sentiment on those points. Unfortunately its not really the job of a movie critic to examine the arguments presented in the movie. Luckily, we have people like you willing to take the bullet for us.
Hi, God here. Listen up, nurse: I am going to let a child choke, so you must go to this other restaurant instead, so you can save her, so I can take the credit for not stopping it, so other people are convinced that I am awesome, understood? Perfect plan!
I'm sure a lot of people here know about GAM and their review of this. I think maybe if a Christian heard a bunch of funny atheists laughing their asses off at this movie, maybe they'd finally begin to understand how compelling this movie isn't. I'd sure like to play that podcast for a fan of this movie.
I remember laughing at the trailer of this movie. Thanks for the review MD. Thanks for taking a bullet for the team! I would've been in that movie theater the whole time laughing my ass off!😂
Thank you for sharing that story about your brother - I can see it was really tough for you, but it illustrates very clearly the effect religion can have on people's behaviour.
So this omnipotent God never thought of not allowing food get stuck in the daughter's throat in the first place? What is the significance of the absence of a physical entity such as water when we are told it the metaphysical soul that survives?
A competent God wouldn't design a being that eats and breathes through the same tube... or put a the pleasure center near the septic outflow for that matter.
Our perfect "intelligent design" turns out not to be very intelligent, after all. God loves dolphins more than he loves us. They breathe through a separate hole in the top of their heads, so that they never choke to death on their food. He loves kangaroos more than he loves us. Their babies are nurtured in a pouch, instead of being squeezed through an opening that is usually the size of pencil lead, leading to many maternal and infant deaths. God loves squid more than the loves us. Their retinal vessels are positioned behind the light-sensing layer of the retina, unlike in humans, where the vessels course in front of that layer, where it blocks light from reaching our rods and cones.
I don't accept Strobel was actually an atheist at all. It is a *VERY* common lie for people those involved in apologetics to claim. Having read a few of his books, there are far too many contradictions in his back story to believe the claim. At best he was an non-serious christian who gave little thought to his beliefs, but no way was he was the analytical atheist he claims.
They get it from C. S. Lewis, who also lied about being an atheist. At his prep school, Cherbourg House, he became a backslidden Christian with interests in trendy, turn-of-the-20th-century forms of neopaganism and occultism (like the works of Maurice Maeterlinck and the Theosophy of Helena Blavatsky), but he was never an atheist and he describes his so-called 'atheism' in mutually contradictory terms. Apologists think it will give them an "in" with those who don't believe. A related sort of lie is when a creationist says "I used to be an evolutionist", by which they usually mean that they took a high school biology class once and ignored it. But it never gives them added credibility with me. All it makes me do is silently ask the question "And what form of organic brain damage precipitated this renunciation of evidence and reason?"
Mexie Mex, I too question Strobels atheism, then I remember the no true Scotsman fallacy and try to restrain myself from judging him originally to be no true atheist. Especially since I hear that quite often from the other side, when a deeply religious person becomes an atheist, well he was no true Christian to begin with. Now that I tried to be magnanimous with his personal claims, I think Storbel is like countless TV evangelists and other con men who see a way to make an easy buck and has jumped on the money train, drinking from the tit of the Christian cash cow.
I'm always skeptical of people who claim to be atheists converted to Christianity. I'm betting they always have some kind of religious background as a child, have a bit of a rebellious time in their teens, do a bit of sex, drugs and rock'n'roll, then the conditioning kicks in and its back to church to be welcomed back to the fold, Because everyone loves a sinner who has seen the light, and they always knew they could repent and be forgiven, right?
its such a common claim made by apologetic's that it is very hard to believe that it is true. Its played up like , "I was an atheist ...UNTIL!" (story) where as deconversion from any theism is typical by THINKING. Not always, but more then not. Keep being skeptical :)
Kirk Cameron claimed he was an atheist before he became a born again Christian. But there are videos where he said his parents were Christians, and he and his sister, Candice, attended church when they were kids. I don't Kirk was ever an atheist. It's just a good sound bite for the incredulous sheep that buy his and Ray Comfort's DVDs and books.
Totally agree. No real Atheist would ever be swayed into religion so easily. I do think he may have converted to Christianity but from another religion because cases of people converting from one religion to another happen far more easily. They already believe in a God so they don't have to be convinced of that. They only need convincing that this Holy Book is more accurate than this other Holy Book. But convincing an Atheist that any Holy Book is the right one would take no less than God himself coming down from Heaven to declare "It's that one." and then everyone in the world to suddenly convert to that religion. Until that happens I'm just going to assume that every religion is full of shit and any real Atheist would do the thing. It's also possible that he was Agnostic, not Atheist. Many people don't understand the difference and identify as Atheist when they actually mean Agnostic.
I've seen the movie as well, and he does stuff before he converts to Christianity that no atheist I've ever known would do but fits in exactly with the Christian narrative that atheists have no morals trope. He steals coworker lunches, goes out of town on his pregnant wife's due date and then refuses to tell extended family that the child was born. It's because we have no morals you see. Fits in perfectly with the atheist straw man they have created. This is what leads me to believe he was never an atheist.
I'm not saying it's impossible he wasn't an atheist. My reply was to RialVestro above, who said it *was*. The fact is, there are atheists who behave immorally. Once in a while, stereotypes are indeed going to exist. That said, I agree that it's quite possible Strobel might have been confused about what "atheism" is at the time (since many are). We aren't mind readers though, and logical fallacies still don't work. I understand how annoying these associations are, being an atheist myself, but committing errors ourselves won't help. Assuming that Strobel was an atheist, I'd just say "Good riddance" or better yet point to him as a cautionary tale of how not to going about this. P. S. Edited the previous comment I made to make it clear who I'm addressing. Sorry about that.
I noted above (below?) that on his website Strobel used to have a biographical story about his conversion from Christianity to atheism -I believe in high school - when something he learned about evolution or geology proved the Bible was wrong and if the Bible was wrong then here couldn't be a god so he immediately became an atheist. If true, then his atheism was as dumb and incompetent as his journalism and his apologetic.
People don't often recognize that it's really just the Mr. Deity theme in a minor key and with a very different (Bond-ish) arrangement. Perhaps the guy who wrote the Bond theme hated cats. I'm a huge animal lover. Although, I am partial to dogs. So maybe that's what your cat is picking up on. Or, maybe you just have the audio up to loud?
Well, the original startles her too. Come to think of it, anything starting on the computer startles her. Seriously though, thanks for pointing out what the theme is. i never knew that. I love the original!
Lee strobel wife became Christian because of a friend and lee became a Christian because he didn’t want to lose his wife because obviously his wife becoming a Christian wasn’t able to love him as an atheist,
@@misterdeityI imagine this comment hasn’t aged well, given that Bob has become one of the worst type of MAGAts, Trump worshippers, racists, and misogynists.
My book LEAVING WORSHIP touches a little on the case against Jesus. Too bad they didn't read it or Dr Price's Case Against the Case for Christ before putting this film out. :D
i can remember many times when i went to church people would try to justify the bad things that happened in their lives i even did it with its heavenly fathers plan and some good will come from it which is a pile of crap.
Yeah, now that more and more people are becoming non-religious I'm curious about what atheists in like 20+ years will be like. I get the feeling that there will be a lot of atheists that are atheists just because their parents were and not because they thought critically about religion and their beliefs like how their parent's mostly likely got to atheism with. I bet there's going to be a lot of non-skeptical atheists because no belief in god was shoved down their throats when they were young but they also didn't learn how to do critical thinking and just go with the flow like how many Christians do it today.
I always say there are three kinds of believer/non-believer. Habitual, Emotional, and Philosophical. You really want to be the latter because the unexamined life isn't worth living. Or so I hear.
+D Mc Exactly. The extremely few former atheists I know are one of two types - either those raised without a theistic belief, who had never really thought about it, and weren't great thinkers anyway, and the emotional ones who found themselves in desperate straights of drug/alcohol abuse, poverty, failing marriage, etc. and decided in their desperation that a god could fix the things they couldn't. Not that they can't exist, but I have never encountered anyone raised to believe this nonsense who examined it rationally, stopped believing, and then went back.
Why would a god who has all knowledge before him and never has to learn anything design humans with the ability to choke? I damn near died on a piece of chicken days before getting married. My 7 year old daughter choked yesterday drinking water. Why couldn't we have a hole for eating and another for breathing like whales and dolphins? Intelligent design....my ass?
I'd also like to comment on the beginning of the movie where the little girl chokes on a gumball and is "miraculously saved' (Even though it was the nurse and not God). Howcome when an event like a child being saved happens, religious people say God did it? What if she died? Would they have blamed God for not helping? It just goes to show that whenever something good happens, there's always someone willing to give their god the credit. However when something bad happens, it's never EVER God's fault.
@@jonablob117 they wont blame God, they would praise him for the deaths of baby. They say "another soul won by god!" Then there would be a big party or something.
Interesting that you should bring up both Mark Twain and the tragic case of your brother. Twain's daughter, Jean, was also epileptic and also drowned in a bathtub. Even more, it was on Christmas Eve, so the story even has a Christ connection
Sir, the story of your brother's death is making me cry. The story of my mother's Alzheimer's would probably do the same for you. There is no reason to believe a loving God would do either, or any of the things he allows to happen.
The case for Christ is like lot of these so called base on true stories or true events. When their complete fake or over-exaggerated what really happened.
Lee Strobel graduated from Yale School of Law, not Havard. I know this is just nit picking, but it gets really annoying when someone criticizes how bad someone's arguments are while repeatedly saying the wrong school they went to over and over again.
I actually read the book believe it or not. I figured I should read at least one book that's pro religion. It was just apologetics. Just your typical arguments. Why was I expecting something else? I guess because he hyped it up so much, as though he had something really excellent to say.
I was told a different story of my Mom's death for my whole childhood, because that's how we treat children sometimes. We don't treat adults that way, and the makers of the film should be embarrassed for needing to resort to fabrications.
Misterdeity evidently operated some kind of popular music band for a number of years (in partnership with Lucifer if I'm not mistaken); I imagine he produces all the music used in his videos.
Nope. I did write, perform, arrange, and produce the Mr. Deity theme and end theme, but the song at the end is from the Production Music licensed to people who use Final Cut Pro.
The Taste of Christ, I would think is more like pork not lobster, one I have heard that about human flesh and two that Jewish and Muslims will not touch it.
Thanks for sitting through that nonsense for the rest of us. If possible in the future please pay for a ticket to a different film at the theater so these bogus movies don't make any more money than they already are! Great review!
My man Steve Shives dismantled that POS, chapter by chapter, back in 2012, and I can't imagine that committing it to either digital cinema or silver nitrate improves on it in any measurable fashion. As it comes to movies of this ilk, I'll stick with _The Unbelievers,_ thankuverymuch!
I know this has nothing to do with the content of this video presentation, but I really like your bump music... or at least, that part which plays at the end of your video. Would you mind telling me the artist? Oh BTW, this really was an AWESOME review - I even subscribed! (No patronizing here...)
Stroebel did the interviews after he became a Christian (he says it at the end of the book). Therefore his personal testimony as outlined in the movie means absolutely nothing
Strobel is a flat out liar seen enough of his "debunking" atheists videos and interviews to see it. In his " the case for..." series are nothing more than emotionalism and totally lack evidence for his case. And yet he has been refuted everytime. His books are written for the choir not to really dialogue with any atheist same with Warren.(Who I also feel was never an atheist maybe agnostic too. Strange how these people portray themselves as "die hard" atheists but what they claim turned them to gawd was something totally stupid and not something to even be challenged .I would suppose these so called life long atheists are nothing but scam artists trying to cash in on gawd.
I'd never heard of the book, or movie. But my first thought was, I'll bet he's doing it for the money. Probably pays a lot better than being a reporter.
So WOTM; which is it Harvard or Yale that he graduated from? In your "The God Distraction, Chapter Three: The Word of God" you state he is a Yale graduate. In this video you say Harvard. Not that it really matters, but just curious. Point well made.
Lee Strobel is why I'm an atheist. He gave a sermon at a church near me in San Diego and I attended because I was hoping to have a reason to return to practicing my faith as I had imagined I would when I got older. His talk was so uncompelling, it was the lowest form of pandering to people who weren't actually questioning anything. I walked out of the church realising there was a massive problem and I had get outside of the group think. Days later I watch a lecture by Bart Ehrman and I realized I couldn't believe anymore.
I believe that those in the industry call that _working as intended._ Of course, Strobel doesn't know it... it's like when you're on a prank show and you think you're pranking your friend, but the real prank victim is you and you think you're so smart the whole time until at the end it goes horribly wrong and then everybody turns on you and goes "Gotcha!" and you sit there wondering what just happened for three hours _because let's face it you're not that quick on the uptake and fortunately the magic of editing makes you look better in post_ and suddenly it dawns on you that maybe there's something you're missing [Time passes] hey wait a minute you're the one who just got pranked!
Lee Strobel is that idiot getting pranked while thinking he's the one pranking.
In hindsight all of religion feels like a prank for me. Like you said I was in the position to think it was all the other religions who had it wrong, but I was born into the right one. Lucky me, haha. I bump into Christians still that actually think much of the Bible isn't true, like the Moses meme with the Google maps screenshot showing it's a six day walk from Cairo to Jerusalem circulating on FB right now, and still they think it's good to teach this to children. It's quite fascinating to see adults act this way.
Well, good for Lee!!! And I'm so glad your found your way out. It's much nicer out here.
I do admit I think this time the grass is greener on this side of the intellectual fence.
As a former Mormon myself I can definitely confirm that they try to twist stories like that of your brother. I'm amazed they didn't go with the whole "satan's power is stronger in standing water" thing that also keeps missionaries from being able to swim. Which always struck me as odd given how baptism works.
Great point!!! I’m a little late in seeing it. Sorry.
I genuinely tried to read the book, but had to stop after the 3rd or 4th blatant circular argument. Lee Strobel: How do you know Jesus is God? Interviewee: I have this evidence. Lee Strobel: How do you know the evidence is true? Interviewee: Because Jesus is God. Lee Strobel. Good argument!
My sympathies, Mr D. I also lost my sister to an epileptic seizure and I share your pain and grief. Good thing she wasn't named Linda though... I don't know why, but I had an horrible flash at your mere mention of that name. Excellent vid... Keep 'em coming
Thanks so much. I was only five months old when my brother died and we never even met. I was quite the accident.
I was saved from death while choking in a restaurant, too. But rather than crediting some imaginary entity for it, I thanked the waitress who performed the proper maneuver. And I was very glad about Dr. Heimlich for making the maneuver so well known. Even if a year later he died and never rose from the dead.
Yes it is amazing how God had to wait millennia for Heimlich to appear on the scene before taking credit for his maneuver.
Indeed!
Yep, happened to me in a restaurant too. As I was making tiny little "eep" noises, not once did I think of Yahweh, praise be to Heimlich!
Ah, yes, the selectively-loving Heavenly Father ... Brings to mind the timeless words penned by Epicurus:
"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"
Good ol' Strobel. He was one of the Christian authors that set me on my journey FROM Christian.
Oh. That's right. This is a Lee Strobel joint. So it's a movie about a man who does his best to overcome an inability to think.
_who does his best to overcome an inability to think._
And, being Lee Strobel, fails.
All the cognitive biases inherent in the human brain should be taught in public schools from an early age. Critical thinking education is the best defense against ignorance.
Amen, sister!!!
Strobel "looks" for the evidence that he wants and acts surprised that he finds it.
That's a great line!!!
Thanks :D idea: you could make a short film where this person called Kee Atrobel says "I'm going to look into if there is not a god" points to his wall where there are lots of diploma's and such that show he is the worlds top researcher, then he's like "Time to find out!.... Is there a god?" And then just play clips of people saying "no". At the end of, several people from youtube and such (pick me pick me!) he would look very deeply at the camera and pose like the thinker and there is dramatic music that gets louder as he stands and a light shines on his face. "WOW! THERE IS NO GOD!" and then you see a bunch of people clapping as tears roll down his cheats, and ~fin
Mr. D. for president.
A Baptist preacher recommended this book to me after I told him that More Than A Carpenter was an uncompelling rant of circular reasoning and confirmation bias. Thank you for saving my time by revealing this to be the same biased malarkey that I suspected.
Having to listen to your story of losing your brother and hearing the pain in your voice sent me to tears. Hats off to you for escaping the craziness that is religion. Keep the amazing vids coming!
On a serious note, many thanks for your willingness to talk about your family and the loss of your brother. You have my heartfelt sympathy. On the lighter side, thank you for your selfless sacrifice on our behalf. I never would have suffered through the whole two hours. And finally, apropos of nothing really, Our Lady of pervasive incompetence (or maybe it should be incompetents) is a great name for a church.
HAHAHA!!! I love "Our Lady of Pervasive Incompetence." And I actually may have met her.
krisula Moyer - I've always wanted to see a church named "Our Lady of the Hysterical Misconception".
You choked me up with that story of your brother. I'm sorry you had to deal with that, and on top of it, the insanity of fundamentalist Christian parenting, which fucked me up as a child, and worse as a gay teen..
When it comes to "The Case For Christ", I and a few of my atheists friends who come from devout households, had been given the book, or had it suggested to us, as absolute proof and a guarantee that we'd find Christ. I was amazed, as you were, that this "journalist" was wooed by these apologists and that he did not include equivalent opposing views.
I'm thrilled you included Bob Price's book! His rebuttal devastated Strobel with a precision and plethora of information that could only come from Price! I'd say it's almost overkill, the extent to which Price picks that book apart. The cherry on top of all this is that both I and my friend, Travis, have offered or suggested to our family members Bob's rebuttal. I know you'll be shocked to hear that, while we read Strobel to appease them, all Christian members of both of our families have refused to read "The Case Against"...
Anyway, thanks for this and everything you do, sir! Cheers!
I read a copy of the Case for Christ with a preface from Lee Strobel in which he pretty much makes it clear that he was merely apathetic to religion. His journey begins due to issues with his wife who had become evangelical and he was looking for a way to find common ground.
When I read this book I was already skeptical but hadn't yet concluded that I was an atheist, definitely not a "militant" atheist. At that time I found Strobel's religious apathy similar to my own, so in my mind, Strobel wasn't an atheist ...he was an agnostic who hadn't seriously considered the question about the existence of God.
Lee has since taken to calling himself a "former atheist" to boost his profile among evangelicals and the first time I heard this claim all I could think was, "Wait....what? No he wasn't"
I received a copy of Case For Christ by a local god-botherer. I read it and then I went and read The Case Against the Case For Christ. Robert Price is a better litigator than Lee Strobel.
Also, Strobel lies in the beginning of his book. He refers to a case he 'helped' crack while he was a reporter, he even cites his own article in the book. But if you go and read it (thanks to the Tribune posting back issues online) he was not as closely involved in the newspaper article than in the book.
Oh Mr D, first of all I'm sorry to hear that you had such a rough childhood and lost a brother at that young age, I do understand that it must have been very hard.
Thank you for going through these nonsense and unpacking everything in a fun way because I would have had a stroke from all the nonsense. :)
I wish the best for you my friend and keep up the good work
Good video! Thanks for taking one for the team as it were. I was curious about the film/book but on the fence about the cash donation to their cause. I'll buy you a beer if we ever meet up.
Lee Strobel investigates Christianity the way I investigate a nice big piece of chocolate cake after a rough day
I was amazed at how poorly he "investigated" things when I was reading The Case for God. He would congratulate himself for The Case for Christ a few times, talk about his past as a hard-boiled skeptical reporter, and then walk from room to room at the Discovery Institute and talk to people who weren't experts in the particular discipline that was under discussion for the chapter. It's been a while since I've read it, but there would be something like a theoretical discussion of the universal expansion and he'd go visit someone who used to be a chemist so he could be told you just don't get carbon forming under those conditions so evolution can't be true. Yes, I may have made that example up, but it falls in line with the general gist of every frigging chapter. I can remember reading the original Mad Magazine spoof "A Clockwork Lemon" when I was very young, and recall some key parts of it even though I have not read it since. I cannot recall any salient points of The Case for God that I read five years ago. That speaks to its triteness.
My brother choked once and his teacher did the Heimlech. He was shot later on. Survived that too. Praise be the penguin god.
Jim, a co-worker of my dad's, choked at dinner. My dad did Heimlich, and he survived. "All praise Jesus! He saved Jim. It wasn't his time!"
Two weeks later Jim died from complications during cancer surgery. "All praise Jesus! It was his time, and he wanted Jim to be with him!"
#answersForEverything.
thank you for your service as always
a vase for christ - he's ashes
I'm sorry to hear about your brother.
Thanks. But I never blamed you. It's not your fault.
I have epilepsy myself, and it's a pain just trying to enjoy life living with it. And one thing I despise about religion is the teaching that epilepsy is caused by demonic possession.
I absolutely love your video's by the way. Very well articulated.
My heart aches when you tell this story Mr. D thanks for sharing it. It means something to me
I've been saying the same thing about Strobel for a while now. He's either one of the worst lawyers and investigative journalist ever or a snake oil salesmen.
I read Strobel's book several years ago.
Pretty bad even for apologists.
Being an atheist is akin to learning how the magician does his tricks, there is no going back.
Awesome review!! I do have to thank Lee for this book, though. It was instrumental in my deconversion from Xianity. The answers to the questions that he tried to answer were so terrible, that I was forced to look at secular sources. The rest is sweet atheist history.
These are very well done. I don’t know if you are reading this, but you are extremely articulate.
Thanks! Yes, I use a prompter. But I also ad-lib if I think of something funny, insightful, or relevant I want to add. That's obviously not true for the narrative videos like Mr. Deity or The Bourne Again Identity. That's stuff is memorized. But I write and rewrite and rewrite everything you see here - with the exception of the first "Fuck the Pope." That one, I wrote in five minutes in a fit of righteous anger and shot it twenty minutes later. Pure outrage!
Brilliant as always Mr. D. Thank you :) Sorry about your brother. Take car my friend and keep up the good work!
If you were replying to me, BB, then this is what I found: "A Critique of a Popular Bible Passage Shows It’s Not the Powerful Evidence Christians Imagine" -- www.patheos.com/blogs/crossexamined/2016/03/a-critique-of-a-popular-bible-passage-shows-its-not-the-powerful-evidence-christians-imagine/
Oops! Bungalow Bill seems to have been taken up into heaven. He will, no doubt, be back any day now, sometime in the next ten or twenty thousand millenia.
Standard critique. If it sounds earlier (or dosen't fit their narrative) then it was probably added later. Except that is pure assumption. Ehrman addresses such assumptions in his debate with Price that I posted in my OP.
+Bungalow Bill
I watched the Ehrman vs. Price debate. It was as inconclusive as a debate about the color of Goldilocks hair ribbon.
There may have been a "historical Jesus". Or there may not have been. Or maybe he was just a conflation of wandering preachers and pagan gods. Did you know that 500 years BCE three magi (astrologers) attended the birth of Zoroaster?
We do know, that right from the beginning, Christians have been divided in their opinions about Jesus. Paul was contemptuous of James and Cephas (Peter?). But then Paul tells one story, and the author of Acts tells us something quite different. Matthew and Luke give Jesus two different genealogies and tell two different "Christmas" stories, and none of the Gospels agree about details of the "Resurrection". You've noticed that?
Maybe there was a Jesus. But maybe not! Maybe he did miracles, but that seems ... improbable.
+Bungalow Bill 'What you are left with is really simple. The most extreme case of mass delusion in history. The most extreme case of mass lying in history. Or a truthful account by honest men."
I don't know if it has to be the most extreme case. I smell a false dichotomy. But a god who must be tortured in order to forgive us for something he knew we were going to do when he created us, is just ... unbelievable, and even if believed, certainly unworthy of respect.
As for an account by honest men: I haven't believed a preacher since Innocent III proclaimed, "Deus vult!"
Ok. Congratulations I guess. Not really an argument though. And yeah, could be argued as the most extreme case in history. In relation to the subject, its place in and influence on history, and the claims being made.
And that was the same stumbling block to the Jews. even though they were staring it in the face for a few thousand years with the temple sacrifices. And it had been proclaimed many times in their own scripture, such as in Danial 9 v26
hello Mr deity I want to say your channel is awesome thanks a million
On the choking subject, why did god put the food tube and the breathing tube right next to each other, making choking a possibility?
He's a dick
@@nathanjasper512 which makes the whole choking thing make a bit more sense... heehee
Its strangely comforting to see this video from you right now.
I noticed this movie on Rotten Tomatoes last week (had no idea it was coming out) and was somewhat dismayed by all the 'good' reviews of it. They basically say what you did at the beginning. Well-written, well acted, etc. and I agree with your congratulatory sentiment on those points. Unfortunately its not really the job of a movie critic to examine the arguments presented in the movie.
Luckily, we have people like you willing to take the bullet for us.
I'm still recovering. ;-)
Hi, God here. Listen up, nurse: I am going to let a child choke, so you must go to this other restaurant instead, so you can save her, so I can take the credit for not stopping it, so other people are convinced that I am awesome, understood?
Perfect plan!
CheapPhilosophy OMG!!! That’s so awesome!!! That’s the best anyone’s ever put it. Kudos!!!
I'm sure a lot of people here know about GAM and their review of this. I think maybe if a Christian heard a bunch of funny atheists laughing their asses off at this movie, maybe they'd finally begin to understand how compelling this movie isn't. I'd sure like to play that podcast for a fan of this movie.
I bet Linda the neighbor was pissed when she saw that she wasn't in the movie. Lol
Wow. Thanks for all you do, MD.
I remember laughing at the trailer of this movie. Thanks for the review MD. Thanks for taking a bullet for the team! I would've been in that movie theater the whole time laughing my ass off!😂
I L❤VE You!!!
Amazing review. THANKS!
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I'm SO incredibly saddened & sorry for your horrible loss.
Elektric Skeptic Johaniskraut Bernstein L'OrCheard So glad you liked it!
Thank you for sharing that story about your brother - I can see it was really tough for you, but it illustrates very clearly the effect religion can have on people's behaviour.
You suffered through that swill? Hat's off to you sir.
yesssssss. can't wait to watch this.
I think she basically told him he would never get sex again unless he converted.
So this omnipotent God never thought of not allowing food get stuck in the daughter's throat in the first place?
What is the significance of the absence of a physical entity such as water when we are told it the metaphysical soul that survives?
A competent God wouldn't design a being that eats and breathes through the same tube... or put a the pleasure center near the septic outflow for that matter.
Our perfect "intelligent design" turns out not to be very intelligent, after all. God loves dolphins more than he loves us. They breathe through a separate hole in the top of their heads, so that they never choke to death on their food. He loves kangaroos more than he loves us. Their babies are nurtured in a pouch, instead of being squeezed through an opening that is usually the size of pencil lead, leading to many maternal and infant deaths. God loves squid more than the loves us. Their retinal vessels are positioned behind the light-sensing layer of the retina, unlike in humans, where the vessels course in front of that layer, where it blocks light from reaching our rods and cones.
9:40 Seems that i have book to buy and read now 9:40
I don't accept Strobel was actually an atheist at all. It is a *VERY* common lie for people those involved in apologetics to claim. Having read a few of his books, there are far too many contradictions in his back story to believe the claim. At best he was an non-serious christian who gave little thought to his beliefs, but no way was he was the analytical atheist he claims.
They get it from C. S. Lewis, who also lied about being an atheist. At his prep school, Cherbourg House, he became a backslidden Christian with interests in trendy, turn-of-the-20th-century forms of neopaganism and occultism (like the works of Maurice Maeterlinck and the Theosophy of Helena Blavatsky), but he was never an atheist and he describes his so-called 'atheism' in mutually contradictory terms.
Apologists think it will give them an "in" with those who don't believe. A related sort of lie is when a creationist says "I used to be an evolutionist", by which they usually mean that they took a high school biology class once and ignored it. But it never gives them added credibility with me. All it makes me do is silently ask the question "And what form of organic brain damage precipitated this renunciation of evidence and reason?"
Mexie Mex, I too question Strobels atheism, then I remember the no true Scotsman fallacy and try to restrain myself from judging him originally to be no true atheist. Especially since I hear that quite often from the other side, when a deeply religious person becomes an atheist, well he was no true Christian to begin with. Now that I tried to be magnanimous with his personal claims, I think Storbel is like countless TV evangelists and other con men who see a way to make an easy buck and has jumped on the money train, drinking from the tit of the Christian cash cow.
I'm always skeptical of people who claim to be atheists converted to Christianity.
I'm betting they always have some kind of religious background as a child, have a bit of a rebellious time in their teens, do a bit of sex, drugs and rock'n'roll, then the conditioning kicks in and its back to church to be welcomed back to the fold,
Because everyone loves a sinner who has seen the light, and they always knew they could repent and be forgiven, right?
its such a common claim made by apologetic's that it is very hard to believe that it is true. Its played up like , "I was an atheist ...UNTIL!" (story) where as deconversion from any theism is typical by THINKING. Not always, but more then not. Keep being skeptical :)
oh god, tell me about it. every single one who says that has the same story without an exception. have seen them a plenty.
Quantum Axe
Thanks, but I'm not God.....
damn it, i was about to convert.
Kirk Cameron claimed he was an atheist before he became a born again Christian. But there are videos where he said his parents were Christians, and he and his sister, Candice, attended church when they were kids. I don't Kirk was ever an atheist. It's just a good sound bite for the incredulous sheep that buy his and Ray Comfort's DVDs and books.
when christians tell us about the things their god has done for them, they forget there are millions of children starving and dying frm diseases.
Well, they're very special and God looks out for THEM while ignoring others. That's just science!
Yeah, I highly doubt Strobel was ever an Atheist. More like a dishonest Christian.
Totally agree. No real Atheist would ever be swayed into religion so easily. I do think he may have converted to Christianity but from another religion because cases of people converting from one religion to another happen far more easily. They already believe in a God so they don't have to be convinced of that. They only need convincing that this Holy Book is more accurate than this other Holy Book. But convincing an Atheist that any Holy Book is the right one would take no less than God himself coming down from Heaven to declare "It's that one." and then everyone in the world to suddenly convert to that religion. Until that happens I'm just going to assume that every religion is full of shit and any real Atheist would do the thing.
It's also possible that he was Agnostic, not Atheist. Many people don't understand the difference and identify as Atheist when they actually mean Agnostic.
+RialVestro Come now, don't fall into the No True Scotsman. We can't know his mind.
(Edited to add who I'm addressing here.)
I've seen the movie as well, and he does stuff before he converts to Christianity that no atheist I've ever known would do but fits in exactly with the Christian narrative that atheists have no morals trope. He steals coworker lunches, goes out of town on his pregnant wife's due date and then refuses to tell extended family that the child was born. It's because we have no morals you see. Fits in perfectly with the atheist straw man they have created. This is what leads me to believe he was never an atheist.
I'm not saying it's impossible he wasn't an atheist. My reply was to RialVestro above, who said it *was*. The fact is, there are atheists who behave immorally. Once in a while, stereotypes are indeed going to exist. That said, I agree that it's quite possible Strobel might have been confused about what "atheism" is at the time (since many are). We aren't mind readers though, and logical fallacies still don't work. I understand how annoying these associations are, being an atheist myself, but committing errors ourselves won't help. Assuming that Strobel was an atheist, I'd just say "Good riddance" or better yet point to him as a cautionary tale of how not to going about this.
P. S. Edited the previous comment I made to make it clear who I'm addressing. Sorry about that.
I noted above (below?) that on his website Strobel used to have a biographical story about his conversion from Christianity to atheism -I believe in high school - when something he learned about evolution or geology proved the Bible was wrong and if the Bible was wrong then here couldn't be a god so he immediately became an atheist. If true, then his atheism was as dumb and incompetent as his journalism and his apologetic.
Strobel's _research_ ran the gamut from A to B.
Yeshuahfullofit 2.0 That's funny!!!
*+misterdeity*
Thanks! I appreciate your humor as well.
Love your vids! - long time subscriber.
May god b-less. ; )
Your beginning music startles my cat. Why do you hate cats?
People don't often recognize that it's really just the Mr. Deity theme in a minor key and with a very different (Bond-ish) arrangement. Perhaps the guy who wrote the Bond theme hated cats. I'm a huge animal lover. Although, I am partial to dogs. So maybe that's what your cat is picking up on. Or, maybe you just have the audio up to loud?
Well, the original startles her too. Come to think of it, anything starting on the computer startles her. Seriously though, thanks for pointing out what the theme is. i never knew that. I love the original!
Jesus is passed out drunk at the wheel from all that water he turned into wine.
Nice work. Love the play on Macarthur’s Way of the Master-if that’s what you intended.
It's actually in response to Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort's "Way of the Master." I don't think I know the other reference.
Lee strobel wife became Christian because of a friend and lee became a Christian because he didn’t want to lose his wife because obviously his wife becoming a Christian wasn’t able to love him as an atheist,
That would make me wannabe a xian you know that conditional love theists bring.But I still dont buy it a bit from Strobel
@@Azho64 he also a fraud that constantly wants someone yo buy his books.
@@匕卄モ匕卄丹れKち Correct its all abt money not gawd or even truth.
@@Azho64 of its why he a fraud and charlatan.
RM Price's "The Case Against the Case for Christ" is a far better researched work than Strobel's - by a scholar who remains an atheist.
0nly This I love Bob!!!
@@misterdeityI imagine this comment hasn’t aged well, given that Bob has become one of the worst type of MAGAts, Trump worshippers, racists, and misogynists.
My book LEAVING WORSHIP touches a little on the case against Jesus. Too bad they didn't read it or Dr Price's Case Against the Case for Christ before putting this film out. :D
i can remember many times when i went to church people would try to justify the bad things that happened in their lives i even did it with its heavenly fathers plan and some good will come from it which is a pile of crap.
I'm so sorry to learn about your brother. :'(
I don't know about Strobel but so often when Christians say they used to be atheists what they really mean is that they weren't all that religious.
Yeah, now that more and more people are becoming non-religious I'm curious about what atheists in like 20+ years will be like. I get the feeling that there will be a lot of atheists that are atheists just because their parents were and not because they thought critically about religion and their beliefs like how their parent's mostly likely got to atheism with. I bet there's going to be a lot of non-skeptical atheists because no belief in god was shoved down their throats when they were young but they also didn't learn how to do critical thinking and just go with the flow like how many Christians do it today.
I always say there are three kinds of believer/non-believer. Habitual, Emotional, and Philosophical. You really want to be the latter because the unexamined life isn't worth living. Or so I hear.
+D Mc
Exactly. The extremely few former atheists I know are one of two types - either those raised without a theistic belief, who had never really thought about it, and weren't great thinkers anyway, and the emotional ones who found themselves in desperate straights of drug/alcohol abuse, poverty, failing marriage, etc. and decided in their desperation that a god could fix the things they couldn't. Not that they can't exist, but I have never encountered anyone raised to believe this nonsense who examined it rationally, stopped believing, and then went back.
Why would a god who has all knowledge before him and never has to learn anything design humans with the ability to choke? I damn near died on a piece of chicken days before getting married. My 7 year old daughter choked yesterday drinking water. Why couldn't we have a hole for eating and another for breathing like whales and dolphins? Intelligent design....my ass?
Such a great point. I live alone part of the time, and I'm always a little worried about choking on food. It's so stupid!!!
I'd also like to comment on the beginning of the movie where the little girl chokes on a gumball and is "miraculously saved' (Even though it was the nurse and not God). Howcome when an event like a child being saved happens, religious people say God did it? What if she died? Would they have blamed God for not helping? It just goes to show that whenever something good happens, there's always someone willing to give their god the credit. However when something bad happens, it's never EVER God's fault.
The essence of religion is: Heads, I win. Tails, you lose.
@@misterdeity Yeah pretty much. They're always right even when they're wrong.
@@jonablob117 they wont blame God, they would praise him for the deaths of baby. They say "another soul won by god!" Then there would be a big party or something.
Next review: "The Shack".
its a little old place where we can get together! :D
DK Kempion As long as he doesn't review "The Room". That mess is proof of the non existence of a loving and caring deity.
Interesting that you should bring up both Mark Twain and the tragic case of your brother. Twain's daughter, Jean, was also epileptic and also drowned in a bathtub. Even more, it was on Christmas Eve, so the story even has a Christ connection
Sir, the story of your brother's death is making me cry. The story of my mother's Alzheimer's would probably do the same for you. There is no reason to believe a loving God would do either, or any of the things he allows to happen.
Good video enjoy your content.
I took the bullet too as I could not pay any of my writers enough to watch and review this movie. Regards, Goat from Ruthless Reviews.
The case for Christ is like lot of these so called base on true stories or true events. When their complete fake or over-exaggerated what really happened.
Lee Strobel graduated from Yale School of Law, not Havard. I know this is just nit picking, but it gets really annoying when someone criticizes how bad someone's arguments are while repeatedly saying the wrong school they went to over and over again.
Aaron Hart and now I believe i've made my point.
misterdeity What point? That you don't fact check your videos?
Aaron Hart How annoying it is when someone gets something wrong when it can be easily checked. 😉
I agree. :)
god needed all those children who choked tho death for the priests who are in heaven...they have their needs...
Confirming just what I thought about the book - BUNK!
I actually read the book believe it or not. I figured I should read at least one book that's pro religion. It was just apologetics. Just your typical arguments. Why was I expecting something else? I guess because he hyped it up so much, as though he had something really excellent to say.
That's the problem with apologetics; they're never new ideas! The majority of them are a few centuries old.
That's very true. It's the same old stuff over and over as though they're actually making good points.
I was told a different story of my Mom's death for my whole childhood, because that's how we treat children sometimes.
We don't treat adults that way, and the makers of the film should be embarrassed for needing to resort to fabrications.
PineCreek sent me here. Glad he did!
And me. And I tried to up-vote... but I see that I'd already done so - 3 years ago...
Me, too. Thanks be to Doug, and Mr Deity
I want to know where you got that outro music? I know, I know - serious video and all I can ask is about the jazz at the end? Sorry, but I love it!
Misterdeity evidently operated some kind of popular music band for a number of years (in partnership with Lucifer if I'm not mistaken); I imagine he produces all the music used in his videos.
Nope. I did write, perform, arrange, and produce the Mr. Deity theme and end theme, but the song at the end is from the Production Music licensed to people who use Final Cut Pro.
You would know the right answer. Curse your omniscience!
I think you missed in the list of relatives, Brother Jingle smith.
I remember reading that book in high school. It's very persuasive if you already want to believe in it when you open it. ;)
The Taste of Christ, I would think is more like pork not lobster, one I have heard that about human flesh and two that Jewish and Muslims will not touch it.
I'm told Jesus tastes like chicken.
misterdeity Really! Well boss man let me ask you this. Because of transubstantiation is OK to dip the Eucharist in honey mustard sauce?
Thanks for sitting through that nonsense for the rest of us. If possible in the future please pay for a ticket to a different film at the theater so these bogus movies don't make any more money than they already are! Great review!
Linda is such a beauty!
My man Steve Shives dismantled that POS, chapter by chapter, back in 2012, and I can't imagine that committing it to either digital cinema or silver nitrate improves on it in any measurable fashion. As it comes to movies of this ilk, I'll stick with _The Unbelievers,_ thankuverymuch!
How does this video only have 1.4k likes
I gave it another one.
But yeah, how come I _just_ found this channel?
_The fool says in his heart that there is no God, but the wise man shouts it from his rooftop._
*- Yeshuahfullofit 14:1*
Michael Jones Hahahaha!
Howdy, deity. I spent the last decade making sure I've forgotten at least half of mormonism. I'd be useless at a bible trivia event.
Do you think that he left out the other side of the case side so it would be more popular?
I read A Case for Christ, and it left me more convinced that the character of Jesus is not real. So much for his case.
Gotta slow down on the subliminals.
Bramble451 what subliminals? Jk
I just bought "The Passion of the Christ" cheap on Bluray.
Hey, I'm a sucker for fantasy and gore!
Every now and then, I get the urge for a snuff film. Gonna have to take a look at that one.
+misterdeity Snuff films? Really? Please check that term on google and reconsider... ;)
I know this has nothing to do with the content of this video presentation, but I really like your bump music... or at least, that part which plays at the end of your video. Would you mind telling me the artist?
Oh BTW, this really was an AWESOME review - I even subscribed! (No patronizing here...)
Dave Loomis The Music is just part of the Production Music that comes with Final Cut Pro. It’s not available elsewhere to purchase. Sorry.
Nice job, Mr. Deity. Now I'm going to listen to the _God Awful Movies_ review of the same movie.
I'm expecting a few more dick jokes in that one. :)
Stobal book is a personal testimony to how he came to Christ 🤷
Stroebel did the interviews after he became a Christian (he says it at the end of the book). Therefore his personal testimony as outlined in the movie means absolutely nothing
Strobel is a flat out liar seen enough of his "debunking" atheists videos and interviews to see it. In his " the case for..." series are nothing more than emotionalism and totally lack evidence for his case. And yet he has been refuted everytime.
His books are written for the choir not to really dialogue with any atheist same with Warren.(Who I also feel was never an atheist maybe agnostic too. Strange how these people portray themselves as "die hard" atheists but what they claim turned them to gawd was something totally stupid and not something to even be challenged .I would suppose these so called life long atheists are nothing but scam artists trying to cash in on gawd.
So Lee isn’t good at anything except lying?
I'd never heard of the book, or movie. But my first thought was, I'll bet he's doing it for the money. Probably pays a lot better than being a reporter.
4:27 Strobel actually went to Yale Law, not Harvard.
I know. I thought I would be meta and mess up something easily checked.
Wifey looks pretty dopey, not hard to see how she converted.
no the "handsome devil" is Lucy ... come on !
So WOTM; which is it Harvard or Yale that he graduated from? In your "The God Distraction, Chapter Three: The Word of God" you state he is a Yale graduate. In this video you say Harvard. Not that it really matters, but just curious. Point well made.
It is Harvard. I fucked that up in TGD. Whoops. (I feel like Rick Perry).
Thanks for sacrificing so I don't have to endure the retched stench.
Take the Doobie Brothers song "Jesus is just alright" and change it to "Lying for Jesus is just OK".
you NEVER want mouth-to-mouth from "Linda" 🤮