@@MichaelJonesC-4-7 Hey Michael! I used to have that poster of the laughing Jesus. I always figured that if Jesus actually existed (highly unlikely as we all know here), he’d have laughed a lot more. I wanted another copy after that one got damaged, but I haven’t been able to find one. Any ideas?
I have no recollection of the first 13.7 billion years (roughly) of the existence of the universe. Why should I expect to be aware of the trillions of years to follow?
The fact that this life is all we have and nothing lasts forever, in my opinion, is the reason why we ever value anything. Imagine if you can live forever in this life. You wouldn’t need to work for a living. You would never enjoy little or mundane things because it’s nothing compare to the time scale you live. The reason why we love our family and friends is because we know someday we will lose them. But there’s a bad side to anything. We know that what or who we love don’t live forever but we can’t accept it as we think that we deserve better or the people we love deserve better. We’re blinded by our own desire for comfort that we overlook facts. Of course one can say that this kind of comfort, or belief, or faith helps us overcome struggles and for many cases, this is true. But in no way faith help solve the problems that cause the struggles in the first place. Belief in an afterlife doesn’t cure any disease, it only makes us feel better temporarily, just like drugs. Religions are like drug cartels, gaining power by taking advantage of people’s desire to feel good. They always claim to be the solution to your problem but never give a damn about the causes of the problem. The only thing infinite is our selfishness whether through wishful thinking or exploiting others’ wishful thinking.
Good sir I am offended by the idea that I will not be alive after I die. When I die OBVIOUSLY I will continue to live on as a magical ghost because I am the center of the universe.
This. Was. Excellent. I wish I could get almost one entire side of my family to listen to your last lines. Because they live their entire lives around this stuff for that next life, and it infects everything they do.
I love shining a light on the darkness. The fear of it seems to be the #1 driving force behind all major religions. I like the question Sean Carroll asked when talking about death/afterlife, "Where does the flame go when you blow out the candle?" Religions are more worshippers of death than anything else bc that's only the time when anything important begins since, to their thinking, this life is but the dusting off your shoes before entering a glorious mansion. Keep up the awesome work.
To me, the most absurd of afterlife beliefs is the idea of being reunited with the members of your family. Well, suppose I get reunited with my parents. But they won’t be there for me because they have been reunited with their parents already, who long before that had been reunited with their parents, and so on recursively. And I guess I will also be reunited with my long gone brother, who will also be reunited with his wife and daughter, both of whom will be reunited with...... Oh gosh! The implication is clear: We’ll all be reunited with every human being who has ever existed as well as those who have not been even born yet. And of course, we will also be reunited with other pre-human ancestors and other branches of life and ultimately every living being, whether an amoeba or a hippo. So, it’s gonna be really crowded, argh!
Beautifully and simply explained. If you think religion can offer an answer to any of the questions asked here then you are wasting your very short time on earth.
"If it can be said that there are no atheists in the foxholes, then it can certainly be said that there are no believers at funerals" WHEW that was the most brutal takedown of 'atheists in foxholes' I've ever heard. Well done lmao!!
The invention of heaven seems like a very successful attempt to stop the serfs from grumbling about their earthly lives and get on with their backbreaking labour by promising them paradise after death. The idea of hell was invented to stop same serfs from asking for evidence.
To be honest, i don't think any of this was purposfully "invented" at all. It is the way it is because.... well, because it works. Those ideas and concepts that did not help the idea to spread and persist just vanished. Thoughts "evolve" just like lifeforms do - and e.g. viruses don't serve any "purpose" either, they persist because they can and they work the way they work because... well, because it just works. Take an idea and modify it in a way that encourages its believers to spread it as well as discourages the believers to leave/doubt it and you have the recipe for a major religion without anyone activly aiming for that.
I don't know if I heard it on this channel or somewhere else but, when asked what you believe it will be like after you die, just ask them "what was it like for you before you were born".
Even when young I never really believed in God wholeheartedly and during my teenage years, the more I thought about it, the less convincing religion became. One of the factors was the complete failure for any idea of Heaven that made me want to go there. It seemed nothing more than a vague promise it would be wonderful.
I've enjoyed your videos (somewhat sporadically) for years. I hope you're changing minds and making the world a better place. I am curious about what happened to the acting troupe you began with. Where's Lucy (& are you two still married?), or Jesse, or god's assistant? Your skits were SO clever! Not as direct or thorough as your current videos, but I've often thought we might be able to change more minds through laughter. And, I guess, I just selfishly miss the characters you guys created. Thanks for being a voice for all of us rational, peaceful folk! 😇
No longer married to Amy. Everyone else has other things to do. I’ve been thinking of a way to bring back the skits. Hopefully, it will grow legs. We’ll see.
Between Mark Twain’s Letters from the Earth and Diane Keaton’s documentary Heaven I’ve gotten a pretty good idea of how weird the whole concept of the afterlife is.
This reminds me of an on-line debate I had with a Christian. I posed the hypothetical that I had lived a life without "sin" - even to the extent that I had never felt lust when looking at a woman not my wife. But I could not find it in me to believe in this god. Do I deserve hell? His answer was that not believing was the greatest "sin" - which says a lot. Then I asked him if his god knew me before I was born. He said yes. And was his god omniscient - knowing the future? Again, yes. So why then, I asked, would this god even allow me to be born? The stupid, not unexpected response was that god wanted me to have the "choice" to believe in him. Never mind that he, who can never be wrong KNEW that I would not believe! Even if this god were 99% sure that my eternal fate would be unending torture and still allowed me to be born it is horrible, but he knew for certain! Which eliminates free will, but let's ignore that. All that matters is, "God is good, and I get to go to magic Disneyland instead of dying."
Bertrand Russel mentioned this argument of "redressing the balance" in his essay "Why I am not a Christian." He points out that the first premise of the argument ("there is injustice in this world") would appear to suggest the opposite of the conclusion; that is, since this world is the only one on which we have to judge anything, if there is injustice in this world, the logical expectation is that there is injustice in the next as well.
*Faith;* _"Religions ultimate, get out of logic free card"._ And when combined with a little God magic & some "mysterious ways", anything becomes possible.
@ 4:55 A shoe or gourd! Nice "Life of Brian" reference. That was one of my favorite parts of the film where a new religion literally minutes old already splits into two competing sects.
Brian Dill It’s such a brilliant scene in such a brilliant movie. I saw it at least 25 times in the theater because the drummer in my band worked at the movie theater. I didn’t know then that the movie would basically become my philosophy of life. Ha!!!
As always - great video, and great take on the subject. I don't understand the concept of an after-life, as put forth by those who are religious. Why would I want to spend an eternity with family members that I wasn't that keen on spending time with in this life. Also, I'm not a fan of "worship" of any kind...so to have to spend an eternity worshiping a god, or gods, sounds like a personal hell, definitely not a heaven. I also hold to the idea that even if there is an after-life, a heaven where we have want for nothing, our current version of consciousness won't survive. What some believers refer to as a "soul" would survive, but the consciousness attached to that "soul" would not. Our current state of existence is one where we are constantly striving to fulfill our wants and/or our needs. Our current consciousness only understands that way of being. So to be thrust into an existence where we want for absolutely nothing, would be so foreign we wouldn't know how to handle it. We would at some point have a psychotic break. Add on top of that, we would have to endure the immense loss and grief experienced with losing ALL of our family at once. Yes, we would know that we MIGHT see them all again someday. But, we would know we would be separated from them for several years. The word might would become a big problem as well - because it is a possibility that we might not see them; or we will know we won't see them, as well as others who we already know have died and aren't there with us. If you think the grief can be hard when you lose someone in this life, imagine knowing you will NEVER see someone again in an after-life... Because of all of this, I hypothesize that even if there is an after-life, the "you" that you are now, won't survive. Your "soul" might, but it will have to be reshaped to handle the circumstances of it's new reality. Your previous thoughts, memories, drives and desires will have to be erased. Your ability to think and question will have to be eradicated. So either way, the version of yourself that exists today, won't continue on after death. Either way - you will die. Sure, your "soul" may live on, but what you see as yourself will die.
Oh and one question the religious don't seem to have an answer for... If marriage is till death do you part and then after death you're reunited what does that mean for someone who gets remarried after the death of a spouse. You can only have one spouse in life unless you belong to a religion that practice multiple marriages like Muslims. But Christians marriage is between one man and one woman. If the first husband dies and the woman remarried wouldn't that mean that at some point after all three are dead that the woman would have two husband's or be forced to choose between them. How can everyone be reunited if the original union was only supposed to involve two people not three?
_Man is so built that he cannot imagine his own death. This leads to endless invention of religions._ -- Robert A. Heinlein It also leads to endless inventions of afterlives which are no more substantial than the gods invented just before. At times I wonder if such people understand the boredom or insanity associated with living for a thousand or a million or a billion years, only to realize that the time spent to that point is a drop in an interminable ocean. Now to me, THAT's frightening.
one thing i did not understand is why did God ask people to keep giving birth when he want to send 99.99% of his creation to hell i can say that is a bad God and a bully
It only takes 2 seconds for any *sane* person to realize that nobody should be condemned to hell. But religious people are delusional to the point of insanity. Case in point. There are many denominations, mainly in the Southern US, whose members relish the thought of Luke 16:19-25. Those people anticipate, with *glee* the idea of being able to laugh at the tormented souls in hell. That's one of the big pleasures of being in heaven. In the past I'd have called them psychopathic. However, I've now come to think that perhaps they're suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Thinking about all the terrors they will face if they transgress leads them to rationalize their psychic captor's actions as being justified. I think that is why William Lane Craig comes out with such vile, despicable shit about suffering being good. But I could be wrong.
@misterdeity Mr. D, you really should have this translated [possibly minus untranslatable jokes] into the languages whose users are even more afflicted by religion biased culture and education than our own. My suggestions: Arabic [for obvious reasons] Russian [because Caesaropapism has been resurrected by Putin and needs opposition] Korean [because American Evangelicals have been successfully subverting their education] Thanks for your fantastic work.
@@pollypockets508 I lived in Korea for 6 years at various times between 1972 and 1990. UBF is not familiar [I might recognize the full form, though]. American Evangelicals are as much of a problem world-wide as Wahabi Islam's madrassas. They teach dogmatic, anti-science, anti-factual religion.
Brian, I ask again: Please have the interstitial remarks last longer than the fraction of a second they do now - I barely have time to glance at them before they disappear. I am missing out on half the humor of your series!
I'm making them longer. Have you seen the new PragerFU videos? Let me know if that length works for you. They're not all the same, but longer at least.
This is one of my favourite topics forJW questioning. Of those chosen to live on a ‘perfect and restored Earth’ will they age? When reunited with loved ones how old will the loved ones be? If Grandpa dies at72 will he be 72 when you meet him again? And so it goes on.....
Holy moly Frank, you too! miserdity read my mind too. I even made a sad video on the same subject, that I planned on uploading someday soon*. No real purpose, of any type, of a life after real life, in the largest scheme of everything. Really, think for at least 1.5 seconds about it theists! Thank you 'misterdity' and Frank! Have a hell of a day!
The contrived reward and a hollow threat, we're invented to remove money from the ignorant masses. Ignoring what we don't or will ever know, called the unknowable.
Good idea Joseph. I hope people read the Near Death Experience accounts of an afterlife: www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/archives_main.htm, and then think for themselves!
Johnny Phatt Anecdotal bullshit. Counts for nothing in the world of actual knowledge. But clearly, you need to feel like the universe was created for you and yours. I understand. I was there myself. It’s difficult. But ultimately worth it.
"Welcome to hell. There's the baby section. Over here is the torture chamber and the restaurant. Sizzler of course. And.." " "I'm sorry, Could we just go back a minute. Did you say baby section?" "Long story. So of course I'll tell it. The Bible says something like, whatever you hold true on earth shall be held true in heaven...."
A Christian will avoid committing a crime right in front of a policeman, but will then sin right in the god’s omnipresent face. Could that be because they believe in the policeman, but not so much in the god?
The eye in the sky, so to speak, knows what's up with you. That is you by the way. All-powerful, all-knowing, and ever-present as far as yourself is concerned.
@@DenisLoubet Yeah, but do you get what I'm saying? The mind is where all the power is, and we are responsible for governing it, it is our dominion. Your right about SOME Christians, probably most, being all holier than thou and hypocritical, putting on a front, a false image to hide the beastly one inside. They like to fool themselves and others, or at least try. IMO, God is a conceptual deity, in that respect, there are many gods, some not worthy of worship or reverence, only able to provide temporary satisfaction, our carnal inclinations, merely to please our senses or Ego. The carnal aspect of the mind has its place, but not at the forefront. It makes a good servant, but a bad master. The spirit realm exists within the intangible thought world of our minds, powerful forces upon our psyche. Such as ideals, principles, the things we dwell on, our thought processes, in general, good or bad, will shape us. As a man thinks, so is he. Heaven and Hell are merely states of mind, psychological conditions, and emotional consequences. Glee vs. sorrow, happiness or misery, that is to say, Heaven or Hell right here on planet Earth. Organized Christian religions are a crock and a scam, but hey, it's a living. The gullible suckers are ripe for the picking. Religion is for those that are afraid of going to hell. Spirituality is for those that have already been there. Fear is a very powerful force, the clergy, on the whole, are well aware of it.
Correction: war/thunder god with a thirst for death and blood. It was a god who made the thunder storms innthe mountains that made the flash floods that can kill with little warning.
I look at how Christian leaders and politicians who claim to be believers in some God act, and know that they don't even believe in any afterlife that involves accountability. Deathbed repentance also helps to fuel the ability to "sin".
You say somethings I seldom hear atheists bring up but that I have thought myself. Paradoxes and simple absurdities of gods and afterlife. All human myths to help us cope. If one needs it, so be it I suppose. But don’t tell me you KNOW it’s true.
There are so many things that Christians believe without evidence or argument and despite evidence to the contrary. They claim to be 110% certain of: 1. existence of Yahweh 2. effectiveness of prayer 3. heaven and hell 4. that Yahweh dictated the bible, but not any other holy book. (They know this without even looking at any of the other holy books). 5. that tithing causes prosperity. 6. the bible is inerrant. 7. Jesus came back to life. 8. Jesus' suffering was beneficial for mankind in some supernatural way.
Well done BKD! Unfortunately 99% of us watching are non believers. If only we could get this out to the religious. I’ll share where I can but to get believers to watch a 17 minuet video showing that their beliefs are bullshit would take a miracle (if only miracles happened).
The promise of the "i" living forever is meaningless; because none of the people claiming it can even tell you what the "i" is. What are they saying will endure? They aren't. They can give it a name like "soul"; but that's just another way to say "I dunno". Surely not a name, face, DNA, memories, relationships, fingerprints, etc. What unique "i"-factor existed since the start of the "i" known to us as ~you~ that remains the core defining facet of the ~i~ that is you? There isn't one. Each of us knows from experience that every facet of our narrative perspective (our lens, how it feels to be us, how we see and relate to others, how we respond to sensory input, etc) changes over time. When someone says "You can live forever", ... there's nothing there to agree or disagree with. There's nothing there to even "take on faith". It's a placeholder proposition. "Something unknown that is theoretically relevant to who you are could live forever without ever changing in any meaningful (person-altering) way". It's nonsense. They can't even define "live" or "alive" in that context. Take some 'thing' you were born with, always had, and never changed, and then was teleported (or copy/pasted; cloned; recreated; a replacement; so much for sentiment) into another realm .... Where God-magic was then used to weld that mystery element TO the rest of a newly created sentience ... it would not qualify that mystery element as being alive; no more than a piercing or tattoo is alive. nor would the larger Frankenself's monster count as ~the same person who died~; even if it self-identifies as such; even if it was basing that on duplicated or inherited memories that compulsorily generate a same (or similar) sense of self. In fact, if the reenvisioned being in a "heaven" is greatly upgraded and does not include the old flaws ... everything about that (new) sentience would be different than the old version. Even IT wouldn't feel like the same person as the person whose memories they were given. There's no reason to even think it would be the same memories. Human memory is very malleable. If a super-being transferred or duplicated the memories we had when we died ... it would be preserving the inaccuracies and the self-deceptions, and the misunderstandings, etc. It wouldn't make any sense to do that, if that super-being were creating a perfected version of someone.
When I think of religion in terms of social evolution, what things it needs to do to perpetuate itself, my own thoughts are about which of those ideas can be challenged in individuals and which can be challenged in organizations. It's obvious why religions include an afterlife, but it's also obvious why institutionally that afterlife has to be exclusive to people who follow that religion... religions that don't have that clause loose believers to their own version of Pascal's Wager- if a religion tells you that all good people, regardless of religion, get to go to the good place in the afterlife and people are inclined to take Pascal's Wager they might as well pick another religion and double their chances of winning... but on the personal level, if you are talking to individual believers who are in it for their own salvation, not for perpetuating the faith, at least in my experience, you'll see more air between them and the doctrine of the church... and if you can convert someone from believing that everyone who doesn't believe exactly like you goes to hell to 'eh, as long as you are a good person it doesn't matter what you believe' I think you've done humanity a service. (And of course, this is where dogmatic believers are going to say I'm damning those people to hell). I also see a lot of atheists who get upset with the idea of the god of the gaps. To me, that's a win for our side, as long as we can convince religious people to concede gaps when they close as science advances. I don't mind someone who thinks god created the Big Bang as long as they file that under 'personal belief' and not 'teach this in science class'. Other spots where I think there is some air between the doctrine of the religion and where believers are are contraception, abortion and the end of the world. I think religions tend to take a hard line against contraception and abortion because it robs them of potential disciples, but I think you can make the argument that if there is a god and that god is good that he wouldn't object too strongly to birth control and won't damn aborted babies too hell... the believers own morality, I think, can often find fault with the church line in these cases. I'm not sure I get the apocalypse. I don't see how believing the world will end serves a large religion... fly by night religions, sure. Their goal is to get as much money as quickly as possible but it seems a large, centrally organized religion should want long term prophets (sorry for the pun). They should, in general terms, want people to build wealth so that they can give more when they die, and they should want things like saving the earth. Surely they own some seafront property that they would like to keep afloat. That seems, to me at least, like something we could push churches to get rid of like they (mostly) did with unbaptized babies. Sorry if this is a bit unorganized. It's an idea that's been floating around in my head for a while, how to selectively breed religions, as it were, to be more accepting, and more socially conscious. I guess that's what I get for being raised Unitarian. I was encouraged as a kid to accept difference and my parents didn't mind if I was an atheist. I saw Dennett talking recently about the idea of religions evolving into something benign (he even name checked Unitarians). I guess that's more where my evangelizing is focused at this point. I see the comfort people take in faith, and I'm fine with them having it, as long as their religion is fine with me being an atheist and that public policy should be about acceptance and the long term existence of the human race (and the planet's ecosphere in general). On a completely different subject, I've mentioned it a couple times before, but I'd love it if you could leave your pithy asides on the screen just a fraction of a second longer. I'm dyslexic and my eyes just can't jump from your face to the aside and figure out what is going on there quickly enough to get them all. (That is, all the ones I would get if I had a second to read them, although I do get most of them).
As a Buddhist, I believe that the "afterlife" is simply reincarnating and doing it all again; however the purpose is to discover enlightenment in oneself. I diverge from traditional thinking, however, and I believe that our purpose is to create "heaven" on earth (eventually). There are many beautiful and wonderful things in life. Now if we could just figure out how to eliminate (or at least, minimize) the suffering, then it would make sense to why we keep coming back and trying. I believe that we are capable of achieving this goal (and we grow closer to it every cycle thanks to advances in technology), but it's clear that we still have a long ways to go.
I know the prospect of constantly repeating lifetimes of suffering seems like Hell (or Purgatory) for many. However, I hope that you will agree that making a "Heaven on Earth" eventually is something that we should all aspire to?
Let's assume you're right. Please supply me with the mechanism/method for reincarnation...including the physics and chemistry of same (anatomical and locational details will help too...)...please give me at least one example of a verifiable reincarnated being...I will accept one of any type, human or other animal.
@@HarryNicNicholas that would be cool to know. However once you know everything what benefit does such a place offer? To me that’s the skeevey part that catches me out. Constant unending boredom, and/or enslavement to existence. I find great personal comfort in the knowledge that life has a back door. I know it’s weird but I find the finality of life absolutely beautiful. To quote doctor who before it was shit, “dying gives us size”. I like knowledge acquisition as much as the next autodidact but not for eternity.
a period of time The word aeon /ˈiːɒn/, also spelled eon (in American English), originally meant "life", "vital force" or "being", "generation" or "a period of time", though it tended to be translated as "age" in the sense of "ages", "forever", "timeless" or "for eternity". Also, It is a Latin transliteration from the koine Greek word ὁ αἰών (ho aion), from the archaic αἰϝών (aiwon). In Homer it typically refers to life or lifespan. Its latest meaning is more or less similar to the Sanskrit word kalpa and Hebrew word olam. ... αἰϝών) for "age" is present in words such as longevity and mediaeval. So, I would assume no need for worries or concerns about actual eternal boredom or any other thing for that matter. Heaven and/or Hell is experienced right here on planet Earth. These are "places" of consciousness, states of mind. Where we dwell depends on what we dwell on, many go to and fro. The Bible is all about our psychology, the human condition, and how the condition of one's psyche affects their quality of life, their own as well as others. Psyche is Greek for the soul, it is our essence, it makes or breaks us, and is prone to utter destruction from within, AKA depravity and/or insanity. So, basically, it comes down to living sublimely, with joy and peace of mind, or with misery, anguish, mental torment, despair, etc.
Another thing to ponder, Luke 17:33 states something to the effect of ( as there are varying translations ) "He that seeks to preserve his own life shall surely lose it, but he that gives it up for my sake shall keep it, as attributed to having been Jesus's words. IMO, meaning giving up our old carnal self-serving ways for the better way, willfully becoming Christ-like, which seems counter-intuitive or utterly unappealing to many folks. In other words, giving up the old Self for a new spiritually ascended Self, as not all Selves are worth preserving. So, perhaps more simply put, once we change our ways for the better, that is when the good life begins and continues on, until we literally die, of course.
First time I heard Pascal's wager I was confused because I couldn't understand why anyone as smart as Pascal could come up with such a dumb argument. However it was only years later when researching Pascal for an engineering lecture I was giving that I realized that Pascal's 'world' was very polarised into Catholic or non-Catholic, and that's why he had such binary premises, ergo his logically fallacious argument.
In Pascal's time, compliance with Christian doctrine was required and enforced against authors. I think he wrote his book "Proofs of Christ" as a parody in a very subtle form, so that he wouldn't be prosecuted by the church. The wager is preposterous but the religious police of his time thought he had caved in and was actually promoting their system. When you analyze it though...I can't imagine that it wasn't a tongue in cheek move on Pascal's part. I read this book and it is so logically fallacious that even a beginning student of logic could tear it apart. It satisfied the church though. Maybe that says something about their collective thinking process.
This life is just a blip regardless of if an after life exists or not. But that doesn't mean the pain and suffering experienced in this life don't matter. Regardless of what anyone thinks the after life is or if it doesn't exist at all, everyone should be spending this life making the quality of life better for future generations. If you're making life worse for others then what is even the point of your life. Your own life time may just be a blip but others will continue to live beyond you, unless we all die simultaneously at the same time, but otherwise the difference between good and evil is how you treat others. If you go threw life thinking nothing matters and treat people like shit, if there is such a place as Hell which I seriously doubt you belong there. If instead you try your best to improve the quality of life for others then you should be able to go to heaven regardless of what you actually believe should it exist. And if it doesn't exist well you should want to do good out of genuine kindness not the promise of a reward in however you imagine heaven to be. I think many religious people only act kind because they prefer the reward over the threat and wouldn't choose kindness if they didn't believe in this type of after life. It's honestly the only reason why I don't try to convince anyone their religion is wrong... Unless of course they try to tell me I'm going to hell simply for not believing in which case then I'm more than happy to shatter their dillusions.
Another view on the afterlife is that people's views and actions are recorded for future generations to consider and judge after they die. If they did good things and had accurate views then they will be judged well by future generations. If they did bad things and inaccurate views then they will be judged harshly. Whether or not they actually experience this judgement or not, is a matter of faith.
"The afterlife without the gobbledygook" :) Excellent!!! #goddessrules at 4:47 I should know, went out with one for... who knows how long it really was. I got no time to talk about time. Makes me feel god like MUWHAHAHAHA
I think the survival instinct, and the desire to evade confrontation with mortality is what drives us to imagine that we are something more than this meat-puppet. To be fair, oblivion is difficult to imagine. (Like trying to remember before I was born). And I, for one, really, really don't want to die. And while we truly know _nothing_ about the afterlife, there is a conspicuous absence of evidence regarding the afterlife as well (and not for want of looking). Human souls have no detectable mass. There is no conspicuous energy change as a body's systems systematically fail. We've not been able to verify a single ghost or spirt or disembodied manifestation. Even witness accounts of near-death-experiences are conspicuously variant. So given that we haven't been able to _detect_ anything in a universe that otherwise teems with side-channel evidence of phenomena, sooner or later, we have to confront the _likelihood_ that there's nothing beyond mortality, even if we're never certain. Unless we're in a simulation, in which case all evidence are, themselves, intentional simulations. Same/same if we're merely the (extremely vivid, mechanically consistent) dreams of Azathoth.
Well said. I agree most people don't think what eternity means. An eternal God that is "outside of time" who is all knowing is, to me, nonsensical. What, I ask believers: What does a Being that knows all possible outcomes think about? Why would She or even could She if that outcome is already known? She would be static, a cingularity of all time and all possibilities at once. This Being would not think, for all thoughts are in time (thought is a progression of ideas, progression is time) and are already known... Imagine, an eleven dimensional singularity that is made of lower dimensional fields (like a magnet) and these fields are all possible universes and each Universe is made of even lower dimensions of every possible event for that universe (this is how God "knows" everything because She is all possibilities. If She is conscious, all she would or could know is absolute loneliness and absolute boredom.) However, in Universes that allows for conscious beings there can be Demigods because they are in time which allows for thought, but they are not the One, the singularity that is " the same yesterday today and forever".
Michael Reeser This is such great stuff!!! This is the thinking through that the religious don’t do. Existing immaterially and at no time (outside time) has no connection to anything we understand as existing. All of the attributes of God make Her existence impossible or at least incomprehensible. At which point I say again, “why should I care?” And thanks so much for your pronoun support. You’re my new best friend. Call me!!!
Michael Reeser The other thing I’ve never gotten a believer to answer - how does God “act” if She’s outside time? And how does She create time in the first place when creation requires time to begin with? People talk about this stuff like they know what they’re talking about. But it’s pure made up nonsense.
Thanks for your reply, you made my day. Usually I get blank stares when I point out the contradiction of an eternal all knowing God. I also like to point out to believers that eternal life cheapens life and that it is the non-believer that truly holds life as precious (to their incredulous dismay.) Also, their silly arguments about the meaning of life is equally nonsensical. "Meaning" doesn't exist outside of human rhetoric. We are the Gods of meaning and purpose. We create meaning out of the threads of our life experiences that we weave into, for some, a security blanket that keeps them warm and secure, but for others it is an itchy and uncomfortable robe they can't wait to shed.
I think the best argument regarding the afterlife as we imagine it is best put by Sam Harris and sustained by neuroscience. The consciousness and all we regard as ourselves is stored in the connections between neurons. Therefore if even small damage to the brain leaves us without big chunks of our personality and cognitive functions, so why would we thing that our consciousness would be the same, or survive the death of the brain?
Bungalo Bill is right. Once you've accepted the magic of religion, all things are possible. Except a God who refrains from violence and life-threatening misinformation.
Mmmmmm...k Accept the magic of life from nothing and all things seem pretty possible as well. Especially when the magician was a no show. American Indians would commit suicide when they got smallpox for fear they would be horribly scarred in the afterlife also. They would mutilate the bodies of their enemies for the same reason. True story bro.
Obviously the hope is that our consciousness is more than just the connections between neurons. There's no evidence that we exist anywhere but in the cells of our brain, but there's no logical contradiction in people having some other existence. It could be like a computer backup copy that allows us to reboot after our brain-based existence ceases. Consider the analogy of a rare old book that is destroyed in a fire. All evidence suggests that the book we just lost was the last existing copy and it has just been lost forever, but there is nothing we could ever do to verify that. There will always be a possibility of another copy somewhere. For example, consider the concept of quantum immortality, based on imagining the case of Schrodinger's cat from the cat's perspective. If the many worlds interpretation of quantum physics were correct, then the only worlds that we're sure to not find ourselves in are the worlds in which we've ceased to exist. No matter how we stack the odds against the cat, from the cat's perspective it always wins because that's the only outcome that it can possibly witness.
We have no memory of an eternal existence _before_ our lives began, so why would we expect one to leave with us? And without a memory, what exactly would make an afterlife _ours?_ We'd be different people in a different place, or in other words, there could be no afterlife for "us."
Esoteric Judaism - Kabbalah - has always suggested a journey up the Tree Of Life, through the sephiroth when we die, before getting recycled. What we didn't learn in life, we supposedly have to meditate on in this intermediary state.
No, it was a correction to Mr. Deity's statement at 5.35 that Judaism didn't have a doctrine about the afterlife. Exoteric Judaism doesn't, but Kabbalah, which is not only psychological Judaism, but psychological Christianity too, does. One has to test it out oneself through initiation rather than believe it blindly. Obviously we can't test out the after death bits but we can get an idea of how consciousness works while alive. It will always be subjective. Atheism is a necessary stage as humanity progresses from the Piscean to Aquarian Age, in my opinion.
+summerofplums You do realize that you are I and the fly on my window and the ant on my patio are all currently at the very tip of the tree of life don't you? Those that reproduce will spread branches from their point. I only know a tiny tiny tiny fraction of the knowledge currently contained in Wikipedia. You can sit and meditate all you want and you will still not have an ounce more knowledge. To gain knowledge you actually have to go out and observe and do things.and find out from other people what they have observed and done and what were the results.
+summerofplums I assume you are talking to me. Einstein formulate special relativity after studying the results of the Michelson-Morley experiments which showed that the speed of light was independent of the motion of the observer. His paper on the photoelectric effect with which he won the Nobel prize was based on the work and observations made by Heinrich Hertz and Max Planck. Similarly Heisenberg's work was based off of the observations of others.
I was a fairly devout Christian for 47 years. I remember when I was a kid when my uncle (definitely not a christian) died, and my aunt (huge bible-thumper) who was married to him WAILING "He's in hell! He's in hell!" How horrible it must be to believe your loved-one is in flames and eternal torment after they pass. Christianity is fucking cancer.
If she loved him that much... all she has to do is sin some more and be guaranteed a re-acquaintance. That would be a wonderful story of the power of love.
Here on earth you can get your validation from being a better person because you believe in Jesus and you know more about God than almost everyone else (from a slightly worse denomination) The problem with a (Christian) afterlife is that literally everyone there passed the test/ fit the mold and on average everyone there is a better Christian than you are. Do you want to feel second best for eternity?
Multiple deities creating multiple worlds over and over again. The Mormon's spin on the Here After explains Chuck Shurley aka God on Supernatural. Dude was absolutely psychotic. I guess even an immortal being would go psychotic after being in eternity for billions of years.
It is no wonder Mormons are all in to MLMs... It is literally how their belief system is structured. Their God is a God over all of them and gains more power and glory from them. Then they become Gods that still glorify the God above them and are glorified by the people they created... Who then become Gods, etc, etc.
@Wolf-dog Cat-dog 2.0 Oh yeah for this lot it is particularly utterly lacking self awareness. But in general, the primary reason they tend to want to do right by their God of choice is for the rewards of doing so. If their religion said that they got nothing for obeying and hell for disobeying, most of them would not bother believing.
@Wolf-dog Cat-dog 2.0 Thanks, edited. Quick replying on a phone is dangerous for coherent text 😆. Agreed for the most part. Some are genuine in belief and try to use it to reflect on how to be a force of good in the world, but the vast majority use it as a badge to flash to speak to how right and good they are while hiding behind the deity as the only reason.
Good questions, although I believe that Heaven and Hell are merely states of the mind, "places" of consciousness that bring about various psychological effects, such as peace and joy or misery and despair and a host of other forms of mental disorder.
At the end of the day ask this question: Do you consider yourself "I don't believe in God or I believe there is no god or I have an absence of belief that there is a god"? These three statements are different. 😮
I'm on the strong anti-theist side which means there are most likely no gods. Would be different if I could prove the non-existence of nothing. But only a god could maybe do that...
Well, oddly enough, all three stances can be applied to one person. I mean, absence of belief, and don't believe are pretty close to the same thing, but you can not believe in any gods, but know some gods like the abrahamic gods don't exist.
Whichever God there is out there if any will show himself should he choses to. When he does, there is no denial about his existence. There is one thing for certain about mankind: pride and arrogance. We think we know so much and preset our beliefs and barriers to beliefs. At the end of the day no man can influence another to believe. One can present overwhelming amount of evidence and the other still can't see it as sufficient. To each his own. And if there's a god, that god will judge each person according to what they know. Be blessed!
any "eternal afterlife" would be far worse in reality than the very worst hell any human has ever dreamed of... Most people can't even stand to do the one thing they love the most for more than a few hours before getting bored with it... and even exceptional people become bored with things after a few days of doing them... Now try to imagine doing something like "praising God" for all eternity... have you EVER considered exactly how long that is? After you have worshiped at God's feet for a trillion trillion trillion years, you still have just as much time left as when you started. Even after you've worshiped that way for a trillion times more of THAT number, you have not reduced the total AT ALL. In fact, you will NEVER EVER EVER get to stop. And most of you can't even stay awake for an hour in church...
frater chaos I guess the rebuttal to that will be : 1) God will make it fun - I heard a Christian asked me a question : "Do you think that God that make sex fun will not make heaven fun ? " I responded : " Yeah , sure ( sarcastically ) : God made it so fun that having it will many and lusting for it - is a sin - brilliant god you have there buddy - now imagine heaven ? " 2) We are flawed on the earth - God will remove that so we can't sleep or get bored .We will be spirits that is eternal.
"No believers at funerals" - Perfect!
Threatening an atheist with Hell is like threatening an adult that Santa will not leave them presents for xmas.
That’s such a great analogy!!!
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Thanks!
Loving your work! It makes me smile.
Stay safe, man!
May god b-less. ; )
@@MichaelJonesC-4-7 Hey Michael! I used to have that poster of the laughing Jesus. I always figured that if Jesus actually existed (highly unlikely as we all know here), he’d have laughed a lot more. I wanted another copy after that one got damaged, but I haven’t been able to find one. Any ideas?
This is one of Brian's best. It captures all the best arguments against Christianity,
I have no recollection of the first 13.7 billion years (roughly) of the existence of the universe. Why should I expect to be aware of the trillions of years to follow?
The fact that this life is all we have and nothing lasts forever, in my opinion, is the reason why we ever value anything. Imagine if you can live forever in this life. You wouldn’t need to work for a living. You would never enjoy little or mundane things because it’s nothing compare to the time scale you live. The reason why we love our family and friends is because we know someday we will lose them. But there’s a bad side to anything. We know that what or who we love don’t live forever but we can’t accept it as we think that we deserve better or the people we love deserve better. We’re blinded by our own desire for comfort that we overlook facts. Of course one can say that this kind of comfort, or belief, or faith helps us overcome struggles and for many cases, this is true. But in no way faith help solve the problems that cause the struggles in the first place. Belief in an afterlife doesn’t cure any disease, it only makes us feel better temporarily, just like drugs. Religions are like drug cartels, gaining power by taking advantage of people’s desire to feel good. They always claim to be the solution to your problem but never give a damn about the causes of the problem. The only thing infinite is our selfishness whether through wishful thinking or exploiting others’ wishful thinking.
Good sir I am offended by the idea that I will not be alive after I die. When I die OBVIOUSLY I will continue to live on as a magical ghost because I am the center of the universe.
Now that's funny!
This. Was. Excellent. I wish I could get almost one entire side of my family to listen to your last lines. Because they live their entire lives around this stuff for that next life, and it infects everything they do.
I lost my whole 40+ Irish Catholic and Protestant family to this religion that primed them to be nazis.
I love shining a light on the darkness. The fear of it seems to be the #1 driving force behind all major religions. I like the question Sean Carroll asked when talking about death/afterlife, "Where does the flame go when you blow out the candle?" Religions are more worshippers of death than anything else bc that's only the time when anything important begins since, to their thinking, this life is but the dusting off your shoes before entering a glorious mansion. Keep up the awesome work.
This is a really strong one Brian. Great job.
Please keep the text on the screen a moment longer. Lots of people read a little slow. Nothing wrong with appealing to a broad audience.
I'm not even sure it adds anything as it is a distraction, perhaps less and faded in and out.
@@marquisdemoo1792 I enjoy it. I get a good chuckle now & then. I’d say fewer with your excellent suggestion of having them fade out.
My fiancee is a librarian. Smartest slow reader I ever met.
I had to get my money back from Evelyn Wood!
@@marquisdemoo1792 watching the movie in the background?(such a distraction lol)
To me, the most absurd of afterlife beliefs is the idea of being reunited with the members of your family. Well, suppose I get reunited with my parents. But they won’t be there for me because they have been reunited with their parents already, who long before that had been reunited with their parents, and so on recursively. And I guess I will also be reunited with my long gone brother, who will also be reunited with his wife and daughter, both of whom will be reunited with......
Oh gosh! The implication is clear: We’ll all be reunited with every human being who has ever existed as well as those who have not been even born yet. And of course, we will also be reunited with other pre-human ancestors and other branches of life and ultimately every living being, whether an amoeba or a hippo.
So, it’s gonna be really crowded, argh!
Beautifully and simply explained. If you think religion can offer an answer to any of the questions asked here then you are wasting your very short time on earth.
Paul Turner Well said!!!
Well, this is why most religions often treat suicide as a sin.
"If it can be said that there are no atheists in the foxholes, then it can certainly be said that there are no believers at funerals" WHEW that was the most brutal takedown of 'atheists in foxholes' I've ever heard. Well done lmao!!
Thanks. I’ve always hated that foxholes line. It’s bullshit. But the funerals point is spot on. Don’t you think?
*THIS IS THE MOST FULFILLING VIDEO FOR THIS 53 YEAR OLD GNOSTIC ATHEIST!*
*THANK YOU!*
12dollarsand78cents what makes you Gnostic?
The invention of heaven seems like a very successful attempt to stop the serfs from grumbling about their earthly lives and get on with their backbreaking labour by promising them paradise after death. The idea of hell was invented to stop same serfs from asking for evidence.
To be honest, i don't think any of this was purposfully "invented" at all. It is the way it is because.... well, because it works. Those ideas and concepts that did not help the idea to spread and persist just vanished.
Thoughts "evolve" just like lifeforms do - and e.g. viruses don't serve any "purpose" either, they persist because they can and they work the way they work because... well, because it just works.
Take an idea and modify it in a way that encourages its believers to spread it as well as discourages the believers to leave/doubt it and you have the recipe for a major religion without anyone activly aiming for that.
I don't know if I heard it on this channel or somewhere else but, when asked what you believe it will be like after you die, just ask them "what was it like for you before you were born".
Great work! A truly superior being would never send another living being to hell.
Even when young I never really believed in God wholeheartedly and during my teenage years, the more I thought about it, the less convincing religion became. One of the factors was the complete failure for any idea of Heaven that made me want to go there. It seemed nothing more than a vague promise it would be wonderful.
I've enjoyed your videos (somewhat sporadically) for years. I hope you're changing minds and making the world a better place. I am curious about what happened to the acting troupe you began with. Where's Lucy (& are you two still married?), or Jesse, or god's assistant? Your skits were SO clever! Not as direct or thorough as your current videos, but I've often thought we might be able to change more minds through laughter. And, I guess, I just selfishly miss the characters you guys created. Thanks for being a voice for all of us rational, peaceful folk! 😇
No longer married to Amy. Everyone else has other things to do. I’ve been thinking of a way to bring back the skits. Hopefully, it will grow legs. We’ll see.
Between Mark Twain’s Letters from the Earth and Diane Keaton’s documentary Heaven I’ve gotten a pretty good idea of how weird the whole concept of the afterlife is.
This reminds me of an on-line debate I had with a Christian. I posed the hypothetical that I had lived a life without "sin" - even to the extent that I had never felt lust when looking at a woman not my wife. But I could not find it in me to believe in this god. Do I deserve hell? His answer was that not believing was the greatest "sin" - which says a lot. Then I asked him if his god knew me before I was born. He said yes. And was his god omniscient - knowing the future? Again, yes. So why then, I asked, would this god even allow me to be born? The stupid, not unexpected response was that god wanted me to have the "choice" to believe in him. Never mind that he, who can never be wrong KNEW that I would not believe!
Even if this god were 99% sure that my eternal fate would be unending torture and still allowed me to be born it is horrible, but he knew for certain! Which eliminates free will, but let's ignore that. All that matters is, "God is good, and I get to go to magic Disneyland instead of dying."
Bertrand Russel mentioned this argument of "redressing the balance" in his essay "Why I am not a Christian." He points out that the first premise of the argument ("there is injustice in this world") would appear to suggest the opposite of the conclusion; that is, since this world is the only one on which we have to judge anything, if there is injustice in this world, the logical expectation is that there is injustice in the next as well.
*Faith;* _"Religions ultimate, get out of logic free card"._
And when combined with a little God magic & some "mysterious ways", anything becomes possible.
@ 4:55 A shoe or gourd! Nice "Life of Brian" reference. That was one of my favorite parts of the film where a new religion literally minutes old already splits into two competing sects.
Brian Dill It’s such a brilliant scene in such a brilliant movie. I saw it at least 25 times in the theater because the drummer in my band worked at the movie theater. I didn’t know then that the movie would basically become my philosophy of life. Ha!!!
misterdeity I suppose part of the joy for me is the somewhat exclusive club of people who get/remember the "shoe or gourd" reference.
I've found my reason for living, hearing Brian refer to himself as "Bri Bri". Always warms my heart.
As always - great video, and great take on the subject.
I don't understand the concept of an after-life, as put forth by those who are religious. Why would I want to spend an eternity with family members that I wasn't that keen on spending time with in this life. Also, I'm not a fan of "worship" of any kind...so to have to spend an eternity worshiping a god, or gods, sounds like a personal hell, definitely not a heaven.
I also hold to the idea that even if there is an after-life, a heaven where we have want for nothing, our current version of consciousness won't survive. What some believers refer to as a "soul" would survive, but the consciousness attached to that "soul" would not. Our current state of existence is one where we are constantly striving to fulfill our wants and/or our needs. Our current consciousness only understands that way of being.
So to be thrust into an existence where we want for absolutely nothing, would be so foreign we wouldn't know how to handle it. We would at some point have a psychotic break. Add on top of that, we would have to endure the immense loss and grief experienced with losing ALL of our family at once. Yes, we would know that we MIGHT see them all again someday. But, we would know we would be separated from them for several years. The word might would become a big problem as well - because it is a possibility that we might not see them; or we will know we won't see them, as well as others who we already know have died and aren't there with us. If you think the grief can be hard when you lose someone in this life, imagine knowing you will NEVER see someone again in an after-life...
Because of all of this, I hypothesize that even if there is an after-life, the "you" that you are now, won't survive. Your "soul" might, but it will have to be reshaped to handle the circumstances of it's new reality. Your previous thoughts, memories, drives and desires will have to be erased. Your ability to think and question will have to be eradicated. So either way, the version of yourself that exists today, won't continue on after death. Either way - you will die. Sure, your "soul" may live on, but what you see as yourself will die.
This episode is one of my favorites. Well done, sir -well done!
Randall Heath You’ve made my fortnight!!!
Oh and one question the religious don't seem to have an answer for... If marriage is till death do you part and then after death you're reunited what does that mean for someone who gets remarried after the death of a spouse. You can only have one spouse in life unless you belong to a religion that practice multiple marriages like Muslims. But Christians marriage is between one man and one woman. If the first husband dies and the woman remarried wouldn't that mean that at some point after all three are dead that the woman would have two husband's or be forced to choose between them. How can everyone be reunited if the original union was only supposed to involve two people not three?
This was your best video yet!
Thanks for the video Mr. Deity. Hope to finish it tomorrow (I listened the 7 first minutes)
One of your best videos ever. Hands down.
Agreed. I've been watching for... 4-5 years now, if it matters
_Man is so built that he cannot imagine his own death. This leads to endless invention of religions._
-- Robert A. Heinlein
It also leads to endless inventions of afterlives which are no more substantial than the gods invented just before. At times I wonder if such people understand the boredom or insanity associated with living for a thousand or a million or a billion years, only to realize that the time spent to that point is a drop in an interminable ocean.
Now to me, THAT's frightening.
I want to die with my sword in my hand so that I spend eternity feasting and womanising in Odin's hall.
And so it shall be.
Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women? Then become governor of California?
Hel's realm has better internet. That's where all the geeks ended up.
Valhalla is where all the jocks ended up.
Folkvangr is better :)
ALL SUCH GREAT POINTS, which should be rudimentary to understanding how silly these religions are.
As a Cheryl who just turned forty, the opening was a bit of a shock.
one thing i did not understand is why did God ask people to keep giving birth when he want to send 99.99%
of his creation to hell
i can say that is a bad God and a bully
It only takes 2 seconds for any *sane* person to realize that nobody should be condemned to hell. But religious people are delusional to the point of insanity.
Case in point. There are many denominations, mainly in the Southern US, whose members relish the thought of Luke 16:19-25. Those people anticipate, with *glee* the idea of being able to laugh at the tormented souls in hell. That's one of the big pleasures of being in heaven.
In the past I'd have called them psychopathic. However, I've now come to think that perhaps they're suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Thinking about all the terrors they will face if they transgress leads them to rationalize their psychic captor's actions as being justified. I think that is why William Lane Craig comes out with such vile, despicable shit about suffering being good.
But I could be wrong.
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Mr. D, you really should have this translated [possibly minus untranslatable jokes] into the languages whose users are even more afflicted by religion biased culture and education than our own. My suggestions:
Arabic [for obvious reasons]
Russian [because Caesaropapism has been resurrected by Putin and needs opposition]
Korean [because American Evangelicals have been successfully subverting their education]
Thanks for your fantastic work.
Korean? Are you familiar with UBF?
@@pollypockets508 I lived in Korea for 6 years at various times between 1972 and 1990. UBF is not familiar [I might recognize the full form, though]. American Evangelicals are as much of a problem world-wide as Wahabi Islam's madrassas. They teach dogmatic, anti-science, anti-factual religion.
Brian, I ask again: Please have the interstitial remarks last longer than the fraction of a second they do now - I barely have time to glance at them before they disappear. I am missing out on half the humor of your series!
I'm making them longer. Have you seen the new PragerFU videos? Let me know if that length works for you. They're not all the same, but longer at least.
I agree. I miss a lot of your points because the presentation is to rapid to absorb and appreciate. 😒
This is one of my favourite topics forJW questioning. Of those chosen to live on a ‘perfect and restored Earth’ will they age? When reunited with loved ones how old will the loved ones be? If Grandpa dies at72 will he be 72 when you meet him again? And so it goes on.....
Such a great video! Thanks for your hard work!
As someone currently living with a 3 year old child, I can confirm that He'll is probably sticky.
Please tell me that's your typo, not mine.
misterdeity There's a special level of hell reserved for autocorrect.
Oooohhhhh... sharp one!
Outstanding, Brian. Thank you.
Brian "Brian Keith" Dalton is back!
You are so good and putting my thoughts into words. What kind of sorcery gives you this power? :-)
Frank Swarbrick I have direct access to your thoughts. Sorry.
Holy moly Frank, you too! miserdity read my mind too.
I even made a sad video on the same subject, that I planned on uploading someday soon*. No real purpose, of any type, of a life after real life, in the largest scheme of everything. Really, think for at least 1.5 seconds about it theists! Thank you 'misterdity' and Frank! Have a hell of a day!
Excellent video. So happy I found your content. So well produced too. Helps convey the ideas succinctly.
Great to have you watching. I have to finish this series, damnit!!!
The contrived reward and a hollow threat, we're invented to remove money from the ignorant masses. Ignoring what we don't or will ever know, called the unknowable.
Ignorance on your part. And no, I'm not religious. (It's were, not we're)
Well done! Excellent though you do make it painful for many people as you encourage them to think for themselves!
Good idea Joseph. I hope people read the Near Death Experience accounts of an afterlife: www.nderf.org/NDERF/NDE_Archives/archives_main.htm, and then think for themselves!
Johnny Phatt Anecdotal bullshit. Counts for nothing in the world of actual knowledge. But clearly, you need to feel like the universe was created for you and yours. I understand. I was there myself. It’s difficult. But ultimately worth it.
Another fantastic video. Thank you
The one thing about people that try to use pascal's wager as an argument is that they forget their god is not the only horse in the race.
"Welcome to hell. There's the baby section. Over here is the torture chamber and the restaurant. Sizzler of course. And.." " "I'm sorry, Could we just go back a minute. Did you say baby section?" "Long story. So of course I'll tell it. The Bible says something like, whatever you hold true on earth shall be held true in heaven...."
A Christian will avoid committing a crime right in front of a policeman, but will then sin right in the god’s omnipresent face. Could that be because they believe in the policeman, but not so much in the god?
The eye in the sky, so to speak, knows what's up with you. That is you by the way. All-powerful, all-knowing, and ever-present as far as yourself is concerned.
@@stevedyches4635 Omnipresence re-defined as aerial surveillance!
Cool!
@@DenisLoubet Yeah, but do you get what I'm saying? The mind is where all the power is, and we are responsible for governing it, it is our dominion. Your right about SOME Christians, probably most, being all holier than thou and hypocritical, putting on a front, a false image to hide the beastly one inside. They like to fool themselves and others, or at least try.
IMO, God is a conceptual deity, in that respect, there are many gods, some not worthy of worship or reverence, only able to provide temporary satisfaction, our carnal inclinations, merely to please our senses or Ego. The carnal aspect of the mind has its place, but not at the forefront. It makes a good servant, but a bad master.
The spirit realm exists within the intangible thought world of our minds, powerful forces upon our psyche. Such as ideals, principles, the things we dwell on, our thought processes, in general, good or bad, will shape us. As a man thinks, so is he. Heaven and Hell are merely states of mind, psychological conditions, and emotional consequences. Glee vs. sorrow, happiness or misery, that is to say, Heaven or Hell right here on planet Earth. Organized Christian religions are a crock and a scam, but hey, it's a living. The gullible suckers are ripe for the picking. Religion is for those that are afraid of going to hell. Spirituality is for those that have already been there. Fear is a very powerful force, the clergy, on the whole, are well aware of it.
Correction: war/thunder god with a thirst for death and blood. It was a god who made the thunder storms innthe mountains that made the flash floods that can kill with little warning.
Great video misterdeity. You got yourself another sub!
I look at how Christian leaders and politicians who claim to be believers in some God act, and know that they don't even believe in any afterlife that involves accountability. Deathbed repentance also helps to fuel the ability to "sin".
Intelligent and entertaining as always
You say somethings I seldom hear atheists bring up but that I have thought myself. Paradoxes and simple absurdities of gods and afterlife. All human myths to help us cope. If one needs it, so be it I suppose. But don’t tell me you KNOW it’s true.
There are so many things that Christians believe without evidence or argument and despite evidence to the contrary. They claim to be 110% certain of:
1. existence of Yahweh
2. effectiveness of prayer
3. heaven and hell
4. that Yahweh dictated the bible, but not any other holy book. (They know this without even looking at any of the other holy books).
5. that tithing causes prosperity.
6. the bible is inerrant.
7. Jesus came back to life.
8. Jesus' suffering was beneficial for mankind in some supernatural way.
Great work here!! 💜
Well done BKD! Unfortunately 99% of us watching are non believers. If only we could get this out to the religious. I’ll share where I can but to get believers to watch a 17 minuet video showing that their beliefs are bullshit would take a miracle (if only miracles happened).
Thanks for this one, Brian. Especially today.
The promise of the "i" living forever is meaningless; because none of the people claiming it
can even tell you what the "i" is.
What are they saying will endure?
They aren't.
They can give it a name like "soul"; but that's just another way to say "I dunno".
Surely not a name, face, DNA, memories, relationships, fingerprints, etc.
What unique "i"-factor existed since the start of the "i" known to us as ~you~
that remains the core defining facet of the ~i~ that is you?
There isn't one. Each of us knows from experience that every facet of our narrative perspective (our lens, how it feels to be us, how we see and relate to others, how we respond to sensory input, etc) changes over time.
When someone says "You can live forever", ... there's nothing there to agree or disagree with.
There's nothing there to even "take on faith". It's a placeholder proposition. "Something unknown that is theoretically relevant to who you are could live forever without ever changing in any meaningful (person-altering) way".
It's nonsense.
They can't even define "live" or "alive" in that context.
Take some 'thing' you were born with, always had, and never changed, and then was teleported
(or copy/pasted; cloned; recreated; a replacement; so much for sentiment)
into another realm ....
Where God-magic was then used to weld that mystery element TO the rest of a newly created sentience ...
it would not qualify that mystery element as being alive; no more than a piercing or tattoo is alive.
nor would the larger Frankenself's monster count as ~the same person who died~; even if it self-identifies as such; even if it was basing that on duplicated or inherited memories that compulsorily generate a same (or similar) sense of self.
In fact, if the reenvisioned being in a "heaven" is greatly upgraded and does not include the old flaws ... everything about that (new) sentience would be different than the old version. Even IT wouldn't feel like the same person as the person whose memories they were given.
There's no reason to even think it would be the same memories. Human memory is very malleable. If a super-being transferred or duplicated the memories we had when we died ... it would be preserving the inaccuracies and the self-deceptions, and the misunderstandings, etc. It wouldn't make any sense to do that, if that super-being were creating a perfected version of someone.
Chills at the end.
I've been dead, more than once. Been there done that. No stories to tell. :)
So have I, more than once. I did learn a bit about what's next.
@@KerbalFacile I'm just waiting for the next time. I won't forget the DNR this time. 🙂
Excellent as usual. One of your best. What challenge could anyone bring except illogical, irrational nonsense?
Yes, I'm sure I'll get quite a bit of that.
Wow - I see that stupidity as well as arrogance reign supreme within the confines of the limited cranium of yours.
When I think of religion in terms of social evolution, what things it needs to do to perpetuate itself, my own thoughts are about which of those ideas can be challenged in individuals and which can be challenged in organizations. It's obvious why religions include an afterlife, but it's also obvious why institutionally that afterlife has to be exclusive to people who follow that religion... religions that don't have that clause loose believers to their own version of Pascal's Wager- if a religion tells you that all good people, regardless of religion, get to go to the good place in the afterlife and people are inclined to take Pascal's Wager they might as well pick another religion and double their chances of winning... but on the personal level, if you are talking to individual believers who are in it for their own salvation, not for perpetuating the faith, at least in my experience, you'll see more air between them and the doctrine of the church... and if you can convert someone from believing that everyone who doesn't believe exactly like you goes to hell to 'eh, as long as you are a good person it doesn't matter what you believe' I think you've done humanity a service. (And of course, this is where dogmatic believers are going to say I'm damning those people to hell).
I also see a lot of atheists who get upset with the idea of the god of the gaps. To me, that's a win for our side, as long as we can convince religious people to concede gaps when they close as science advances. I don't mind someone who thinks god created the Big Bang as long as they file that under 'personal belief' and not 'teach this in science class'.
Other spots where I think there is some air between the doctrine of the religion and where believers are are contraception, abortion and the end of the world. I think religions tend to take a hard line against contraception and abortion because it robs them of potential disciples, but I think you can make the argument that if there is a god and that god is good that he wouldn't object too strongly to birth control and won't damn aborted babies too hell... the believers own morality, I think, can often find fault with the church line in these cases. I'm not sure I get the apocalypse. I don't see how believing the world will end serves a large religion... fly by night religions, sure. Their goal is to get as much money as quickly as possible but it seems a large, centrally organized religion should want long term prophets (sorry for the pun). They should, in general terms, want people to build wealth so that they can give more when they die, and they should want things like saving the earth. Surely they own some seafront property that they would like to keep afloat. That seems, to me at least, like something we could push churches to get rid of like they (mostly) did with unbaptized babies.
Sorry if this is a bit unorganized. It's an idea that's been floating around in my head for a while, how to selectively breed religions, as it were, to be more accepting, and more socially conscious. I guess that's what I get for being raised Unitarian. I was encouraged as a kid to accept difference and my parents didn't mind if I was an atheist. I saw Dennett talking recently about the idea of religions evolving into something benign (he even name checked Unitarians). I guess that's more where my evangelizing is focused at this point. I see the comfort people take in faith, and I'm fine with them having it, as long as their religion is fine with me being an atheist and that public policy should be about acceptance and the long term existence of the human race (and the planet's ecosphere in general).
On a completely different subject, I've mentioned it a couple times before, but I'd love it if you could leave your pithy asides on the screen just a fraction of a second longer. I'm dyslexic and my eyes just can't jump from your face to the aside and figure out what is going on there quickly enough to get them all. (That is, all the ones I would get if I had a second to read them, although I do get most of them).
As a Buddhist, I believe that the "afterlife" is simply reincarnating and doing it all again; however the purpose is to discover enlightenment in oneself. I diverge from traditional thinking, however, and I believe that our purpose is to create "heaven" on earth (eventually). There are many beautiful and wonderful things in life. Now if we could just figure out how to eliminate (or at least, minimize) the suffering, then it would make sense to why we keep coming back and trying. I believe that we are capable of achieving this goal (and we grow closer to it every cycle thanks to advances in technology), but it's clear that we still have a long ways to go.
Philemon Vanderbeck Fuck me!!! No thanks!
I know the prospect of constantly repeating lifetimes of suffering seems like Hell (or Purgatory) for many. However, I hope that you will agree that making a "Heaven on Earth" eventually is something that we should all aspire to?
Not realistic at all especially with the nature of the human condition, wishful thinking can easily be dismissed.
Let's assume you're right. Please supply me with the mechanism/method for reincarnation...including the physics and chemistry of same (anatomical and locational details will help too...)...please give me at least one example of a verifiable reincarnated being...I will accept one of any type, human or other animal.
And your evidence for this is....
A fear based reality is a powerful tool used by the weak to appease their own distress
and greed.
Inspiring...I got an uplifting - dare I say almost religious - feeling. The truth WILL set you free, indeed.
YOU'RE TEARING ME APART LISA! 🤣
The idea of being conscious for an eternity sounds like my worst kind of hell
it could be cool, i'd quite like to know how the story of the universe ends, but eternity singing hymns, no thanks.
@@HarryNicNicholas that would be cool to know. However once you know everything what benefit does such a place offer? To me that’s the skeevey part that catches me out. Constant unending boredom, and/or enslavement to existence. I find great personal comfort in the knowledge that life has a back door. I know it’s weird but I find the finality of life absolutely beautiful. To quote doctor who before it was shit, “dying gives us size”. I like knowledge acquisition as much as the next autodidact but not for eternity.
a period of time
The word aeon /ˈiːɒn/, also spelled eon (in American English), originally meant "life", "vital force" or "being", "generation" or "a period of time", though it tended to be translated as "age" in the sense of "ages", "forever", "timeless" or "for eternity".
Also, It is a Latin transliteration from the koine Greek word ὁ αἰών (ho aion), from the archaic αἰϝών (aiwon). In Homer it typically refers to life or lifespan. Its latest meaning is more or less similar to the Sanskrit word kalpa and Hebrew word olam. ... αἰϝών) for "age" is present in words such as longevity and mediaeval.
So, I would assume no need for worries or concerns about actual eternal boredom or any other thing for that matter. Heaven and/or Hell is experienced right here on planet Earth. These are "places" of consciousness, states of mind. Where we dwell depends on what we dwell on, many go to and fro. The Bible is all about our psychology, the human condition, and how the condition of one's psyche affects their quality of life, their own as well as others. Psyche is Greek for the soul, it is our essence, it makes or breaks us, and is prone to utter destruction from within, AKA depravity and/or insanity. So, basically, it comes down to living sublimely, with joy and peace of mind, or with misery, anguish, mental torment, despair, etc.
Another thing to ponder, Luke 17:33 states something to the effect of ( as there are varying translations ) "He that seeks to preserve his own life shall surely lose it, but he that gives it up for my sake shall keep it, as attributed to having been Jesus's words. IMO, meaning giving up our old carnal self-serving ways for the better way, willfully becoming Christ-like, which seems counter-intuitive or utterly unappealing to many folks. In other words, giving up the old Self for a new spiritually ascended Self, as not all Selves are worth preserving. So, perhaps more simply put, once we change our ways for the better, that is when the good life begins and continues on, until we literally die, of course.
First time I heard Pascal's wager I was confused because I couldn't understand why anyone as smart as Pascal could come up with such a dumb argument. However it was only years later when researching Pascal for an engineering lecture I was giving that I realized that Pascal's 'world' was very polarised into Catholic or non-Catholic, and that's why he had such binary premises, ergo his logically fallacious argument.
I've actually had a college professor try to push that wager on the class as something worthy of serious consideration.
In Pascal's time, compliance with Christian doctrine was required and enforced against authors. I think he wrote his book "Proofs of Christ" as a parody in a very subtle form, so that he wouldn't be prosecuted by the church. The wager is preposterous but the religious police of his time thought he had caved in and was actually promoting their system. When you analyze it though...I can't imagine that it wasn't a tongue in cheek move on Pascal's part. I read this book and it is so logically fallacious that even a beginning student of logic could tear it apart. It satisfied the church though. Maybe that says something about their collective thinking process.
Thank you for your very important and valuable work!
Your hair is awesome, keep it up.
David Sharlot Hahahaha!!!
"...immediate comfort gain of their lives extending forever."
Mormons aren't familiar with Bram Stoker's Dracula?
This life is just a blip regardless of if an after life exists or not. But that doesn't mean the pain and suffering experienced in this life don't matter. Regardless of what anyone thinks the after life is or if it doesn't exist at all, everyone should be spending this life making the quality of life better for future generations. If you're making life worse for others then what is even the point of your life. Your own life time may just be a blip but others will continue to live beyond you, unless we all die simultaneously at the same time, but otherwise the difference between good and evil is how you treat others. If you go threw life thinking nothing matters and treat people like shit, if there is such a place as Hell which I seriously doubt you belong there. If instead you try your best to improve the quality of life for others then you should be able to go to heaven regardless of what you actually believe should it exist. And if it doesn't exist well you should want to do good out of genuine kindness not the promise of a reward in however you imagine heaven to be. I think many religious people only act kind because they prefer the reward over the threat and wouldn't choose kindness if they didn't believe in this type of after life. It's honestly the only reason why I don't try to convince anyone their religion is wrong... Unless of course they try to tell me I'm going to hell simply for not believing in which case then I'm more than happy to shatter their dillusions.
Cheryl sees the ghosts of the bear cub, the whale, that dog...
Another view on the afterlife is that people's views and actions are recorded for future generations to consider and judge after they die. If they did good things and had accurate views then they will be judged well by future generations. If they did bad things and inaccurate views then they will be judged harshly. Whether or not they actually experience this judgement or not, is a matter of faith.
"The afterlife without the gobbledygook" :) Excellent!!!
#goddessrules at 4:47 I should know, went out with one for... who knows how long it really was. I got no time to talk about time. Makes me feel god like MUWHAHAHAHA
I think the survival instinct, and the desire to evade confrontation with mortality is what drives us to imagine that we are something more than this meat-puppet. To be fair, oblivion is difficult to imagine. (Like trying to remember before I was born). And I, for one, really, really don't want to die.
And while we truly know _nothing_ about the afterlife, there is a conspicuous absence of evidence regarding the afterlife as well (and not for want of looking). Human souls have no detectable mass. There is no conspicuous energy change as a body's systems systematically fail. We've not been able to verify a single ghost or spirt or disembodied manifestation. Even witness accounts of near-death-experiences are conspicuously variant.
So given that we haven't been able to _detect_ anything in a universe that otherwise teems with side-channel evidence of phenomena, sooner or later, we have to confront the _likelihood_ that there's nothing beyond mortality, even if we're never certain.
Unless we're in a simulation, in which case all evidence are, themselves, intentional simulations. Same/same if we're merely the (extremely vivid, mechanically consistent) dreams of Azathoth.
Well said. I agree most people don't think what eternity means. An eternal God that is "outside of time" who is all knowing is, to me, nonsensical. What, I ask believers: What does a Being that knows all possible outcomes think about? Why would She or even could She if that outcome is already known? She would be static, a cingularity of all time and all possibilities at once. This Being would not think, for all thoughts are in time (thought is a progression of ideas, progression is time) and are already known... Imagine, an eleven dimensional singularity that is made of lower dimensional fields (like a magnet) and these fields are all possible universes and each Universe is made of even lower dimensions of every possible event for that universe (this is how God "knows" everything because She is all possibilities. If She is conscious, all she would or could know is absolute loneliness and absolute boredom.) However, in Universes that allows for conscious beings there can be Demigods because they are in time which allows for thought, but they are not the One, the singularity that is " the same yesterday today and forever".
Michael Reeser This is such great stuff!!! This is the thinking through that the religious don’t do. Existing immaterially and at no time (outside time) has no connection to anything we understand as existing. All of the attributes of God make Her existence impossible or at least incomprehensible. At which point I say again, “why should I care?” And thanks so much for your pronoun support. You’re my new best friend. Call me!!!
Michael Reeser The other thing I’ve never gotten a believer to answer - how does God “act” if She’s outside time? And how does She create time in the first place when creation requires time to begin with? People talk about this stuff like they know what they’re talking about. But it’s pure made up nonsense.
Thanks for your reply, you made my day. Usually I get blank stares when I point out the contradiction of an eternal all knowing God. I also like to point out to believers that eternal life cheapens life and that it is the non-believer that truly holds life as precious (to their incredulous dismay.) Also, their silly arguments about the meaning of life is equally nonsensical. "Meaning" doesn't exist outside of human rhetoric. We are the Gods of meaning and purpose. We create meaning out of the threads of our life experiences that we weave into, for some, a security blanket that keeps them warm and secure, but for others it is an itchy and uncomfortable robe they can't wait to shed.
I think the best argument regarding the afterlife as we imagine it is best put by Sam Harris and sustained by neuroscience. The consciousness and all we regard as ourselves is stored in the connections between neurons. Therefore if even small damage to the brain leaves us without big chunks of our personality and cognitive functions, so why would we thing that our consciousness would be the same, or survive the death of the brain?
Why would you have legs if they had been amputated??
Why would you be awake if you died in a coma??
Bungalo Bill is right. Once you've accepted the magic of religion, all things are possible. Except a God who refrains from violence and life-threatening misinformation.
Mmmmmm...k Accept the magic of life from nothing and all things seem pretty possible as well. Especially when the magician was a no show.
American Indians would commit suicide when they got smallpox for fear they would be horribly scarred in the afterlife also. They would mutilate the bodies of their enemies for the same reason. True story bro.
Obviously the hope is that our consciousness is more than just the connections between neurons. There's no evidence that we exist anywhere but in the cells of our brain, but there's no logical contradiction in people having some other existence. It could be like a computer backup copy that allows us to reboot after our brain-based existence ceases.
Consider the analogy of a rare old book that is destroyed in a fire. All evidence suggests that the book we just lost was the last existing copy and it has just been lost forever, but there is nothing we could ever do to verify that. There will always be a possibility of another copy somewhere.
For example, consider the concept of quantum immortality, based on imagining the case of Schrodinger's cat from the cat's perspective. If the many worlds interpretation of quantum physics were correct, then the only worlds that we're sure to not find ourselves in are the worlds in which we've ceased to exist. No matter how we stack the odds against the cat, from the cat's perspective it always wins because that's the only outcome that it can possibly witness.
Yes, and he was hardly the first to use that argument
We have no memory of an eternal existence _before_ our lives began, so why would we expect one to leave with us? And without a memory, what exactly would make an afterlife _ours?_ We'd be different people in a different place, or in other words, there could be no afterlife for "us."
What can one learn on earth that can ever be used in a perfect heaven?
Esoteric Judaism - Kabbalah - has always suggested a journey up the Tree Of Life, through the sephiroth when we die, before getting recycled. What we didn't learn in life, we supposedly have to meditate on in this intermediary state.
Aaaand? .... are you suggesting this weirdness is true, any more than the Christian explanation??
No, it was a correction to Mr. Deity's statement at 5.35 that Judaism didn't have a doctrine about the afterlife. Exoteric Judaism doesn't, but Kabbalah, which is not only psychological Judaism, but psychological Christianity too, does. One has to test it out oneself through initiation rather than believe it blindly. Obviously we can't test out the after death bits but we can get an idea of how consciousness works while alive. It will always be subjective. Atheism is a necessary stage as humanity progresses from the Piscean to Aquarian Age, in my opinion.
+summerofplums You do realize that you are I and the fly on my window and the ant on my patio are all currently at the very tip of the tree of life don't you? Those that reproduce will spread branches from their point. I only know a tiny tiny tiny fraction of the knowledge currently contained in Wikipedia. You can sit and meditate all you want and you will still not have an ounce more knowledge. To gain knowledge you actually have to go out and observe and do things.and find out from other people what they have observed and done and what were the results.
...like Einstein, Heisenberg.
+summerofplums I assume you are talking to me. Einstein formulate special relativity after studying the results of the Michelson-Morley experiments which showed that the speed of light was independent of the motion of the observer. His paper on the photoelectric effect with which he won the Nobel prize was based on the work and observations made by Heinrich Hertz and Max Planck. Similarly Heisenberg's work was based off of the observations of others.
Well I'm in hell right now, so there's that.
I was a fairly devout Christian for 47 years. I remember when I was a kid when my uncle (definitely not a christian) died, and my aunt (huge bible-thumper) who was married to him WAILING "He's in hell! He's in hell!" How horrible it must be to believe your loved-one is in flames and eternal torment after they pass. Christianity is fucking cancer.
If she loved him that much... all she has to do is sin some more and be guaranteed a re-acquaintance. That would be a wonderful story of the power of love.
Here on earth you can get your validation from being a better person because you believe in Jesus and you know more about God than almost everyone else (from a slightly worse denomination)
The problem with a (Christian) afterlife is that literally everyone there passed the test/ fit the mold and on average everyone there is a better Christian than you are.
Do you want to feel second best for eternity?
Please study the subject conditionalism. Eternal torment is a lie
Multiple deities creating multiple worlds over and over again. The Mormon's spin on the Here After explains Chuck Shurley aka God on Supernatural. Dude was absolutely psychotic. I guess even an immortal being would go psychotic after being in eternity for billions of years.
I love every single jab at Prager(F)U.
Most ignorant people would.
It is no wonder Mormons are all in to MLMs... It is literally how their belief system is structured. Their God is a God over all of them and gains more power and glory from them. Then they become Gods that still glorify the God above them and are glorified by the people they created... Who then become Gods, etc, etc.
@Wolf-dog Cat-dog 2.0 Oh yeah for this lot it is particularly utterly lacking self awareness. But in general, the primary reason they tend to want to do right by their God of choice is for the rewards of doing so. If their religion said that they got nothing for obeying and hell for disobeying, most of them would not bother believing.
@Wolf-dog Cat-dog 2.0 Thanks, edited. Quick replying on a phone is dangerous for coherent text 😆.
Agreed for the most part. Some are genuine in belief and try to use it to reflect on how to be a force of good in the world, but the vast majority use it as a badge to flash to speak to how right and good they are while hiding behind the deity as the only reason.
This video makes my day!
Time to get a life, pal.
Brian, the text disappears too quickly to read it.
That's to make sure you pay attention.
It's also why my food got cold. I couldn't eat it while I was watching this or I'd miss stuff.
That's done in order to bypass critical thinking and place it in your subconscious mind.
We all take turns playing bridge with God, Jesus, and St Peter. For eternity 🤣🤣
What if Tommy was in hell? Could Cheryl live with that for eternity?
Heaven has to be Hell.
Good questions, although I believe that Heaven and Hell are merely states of the mind, "places" of consciousness that bring about various psychological effects, such as peace and joy or misery and despair and a host of other forms of mental disorder.
every time the text said "peter", i got more and more paranoid
Why no more chapter number in the title ? Also, you should give a link to the playlist in the description ;)
To be honest, I forgot that I was doing that. D'oh!!! And that's a good idea. I'll see if I can figure out how to do that.
Hehe ^^ Never hesitate to give people an occasion to binge watch your content ;)
Follow the Gourd!!
At the end of the day ask this question:
Do you consider yourself "I don't believe in God or I believe there is no god or I have an absence of belief that there is a god"? These three statements are different. 😮
I'm on the strong anti-theist side which means there are most likely no gods. Would be different if I could prove the non-existence of nothing. But only a god could maybe do that...
Well, oddly enough, all three stances can be applied to one person. I mean, absence of belief, and don't believe are pretty close to the same thing, but you can not believe in any gods, but know some gods like the abrahamic gods don't exist.
Whichever God there is out there if any will show himself should he choses to. When he does, there is no denial about his existence. There is one thing for certain about mankind: pride and arrogance. We think we know so much and preset our beliefs and barriers to beliefs. At the end of the day no man can influence another to believe. One can present overwhelming amount of evidence and the other still can't see it as sufficient.
To each his own. And if there's a god, that god will judge each person according to what they know.
Be blessed!
any "eternal afterlife" would be far worse in reality than the very worst hell any human has ever dreamed of...
Most people can't even stand to do the one thing they love the most for more than a few hours before getting bored with it... and even exceptional people become bored with things after a few days of doing them...
Now try to imagine doing something like "praising God" for all eternity... have you EVER considered exactly how long that is?
After you have worshiped at God's feet for a trillion trillion trillion years, you still have just as much time left as when you started. Even after you've worshiped that way for a trillion times more of THAT number, you have not reduced the total AT ALL.
In fact, you will NEVER EVER EVER get to stop. And most of you can't even stay awake for an hour in church...
frater chaos
I guess the rebuttal to that will be :
1) God will make it fun - I heard a Christian asked me a question : "Do you think that God that make sex fun will not make heaven fun ? "
I responded : " Yeah , sure ( sarcastically ) : God made it so fun that having it will many and lusting for it - is a sin - brilliant god you have there buddy - now imagine heaven ? "
2) We are flawed on the earth - God will remove that so we can't sleep or get bored .We will be spirits that is eternal.