Whatever FormFutura is selling, it's not ASA. They might not have wanted to send filament to you because you exposed that their ASA is extremely impure and doesn't behave like ASA. Really appreciate these tests.
@@ScytheNoire I really enjoyed printing FormFutura for my Voron parts. Whenever I had warping issues, this was my solution. Interesting to see that the mixture also has its downsides. Pretty logical, but I would have never expected such a big difference. However, for my Voron it's working absolutely fine with no issues
They advertise it as a modified ASA with less warping. Changing material properties always has side effects but that doesn't make the stuff bad. And ASA is already a compound, so even Filament made only from A,S and A can be different to each other
@@MyTechFun In my opinion, no need to test Overture. It's identical to Polymaker. Import records (public info) show they come from the same factory in Suzhou, and I've run them side by side. The orange and purple for both is identical in color as are the spools. There are some who believe Overture is a sub-brand owned by Polymaker. I just know they have some filament coming from the same factory. There are other brands that also do the same. Flashforge makes for Voxel. Kexcelled owns / makes Hatchbox, which is their US brand (it's on their website, too). Kexcelled also produce a number of filaments for QIDI and others.
Thank you very much for this very good test! I prefer ASA over ABS, even though it is more expensive. Your test gives me a well documented guide line which filament to buy.
Great analysis, thanks! I primarily use eSun eASA so I'm happy that it was a solid contender on most metrics. I was planning on trying it for some drone frames, and it looks like a solid choice given its impact performance. I'm impressed with FlashForge's ASA too. Not great on impact performance, but it's very stiff and has very little creep, so it would be a good choice for structural parts in a 3D printer.
This video came in the perfect time. I've been doing a lot of research on what filament to use inside a car for paneling. I've been leaning towards ASA and your comparisons are exactly what I need.
I have worked in a plastics plant and all the interior panels we made were PolyPropylene. There were 2 grades and the tougher was translucent and the lesser was opaque when we purged the natural material. The stuff for under the car was a conditioner added abs and normally a regrind of any scrapped PP parts.
This is very useful information and I really like how well everything is laid out and documented. I will definitely pick up some 3DO filament and try it out. I've been printing with ELEGOO ASA quite a bit, which has had no warping, but haven't really done a head-to-head comparison with other ASA filaments.
I def appreciate this one. I rarely use ASA, so when I do need it, I don't really have the time or space to test out a bunch of different brands to find the right one
This is great testing! I was looking for the best filament to last outside in the heat, ASA was obvious, but this helped me picked which brand to use. Can't get 3DO in the US, so I will be trying FlashForge.
Thank you! ASA has gotten cheaper where I live and is now a viable filament for everyday applications. Your video is exactly what I needed! Liked & subscribed. Thank you!
Thank you so much for making this video, I print most ASA and ASA+CF, your video helped me clear some questions I had. You didn't test the main brand I use, but if I go by the average, that helps. Thank you so much
Thanks for the video! To filter the vapours from the filament, I installed the Bentobox system (with 2 radial fan mod), which circulates the air and filters it through HEPA and activated carbon. Advantage: The air temperature remains constant, no cold air is drawn in. However, for the system to work properly, the enclosure must be reasonably airtight.
Igor you have made my week! Your ASA testing confirmed my own experience. Your test discipline meets my expectations for quality of objective analysis results and your array of test parameters / results is quite impressive. As you conclude, the ultimate selection should be for the performance characteristics that are most important, and in this regard, we have made the same brand conclusion (I have observed about half of the products you tested, plus PA CF filament - disappointing). Nicely done sir... I will share your work with others. Rgrds
This is a great video. These filament brand comparison is really good. Really interested in carbon fibers brand comparisons. Also would be great to see a density metric to see kilo for kilo comparison. Having gradual increase with wall and infill comparison would be cool too unless material is just linear. I'm new to 3d printing so not sure. Thanks!
Massively time consuming test, well done. I use ASA for less stressed car parts, though i hate the smell, even if I have the printer in the garage. Maybe you should buy a serious air cleaner with so much printing indoors, for the sake of the family:)
@@ixe87 I use prusa PCCF for most parts since its not affect by moisture, is stiff and doesnt creep like nylon, can handle 130C . Also added add North PC Which should handle 185C, but havent done any car parts with it yet, but i have plans :)
@@garagecedric polycarbonate absorbs less moisture, but still its properties vary with moisture as PA does, a better alternative to PAs are PPAs( polyphtalamides or semiaromatic polyamides, but yes, they're also more expensive). polysulfone has a glass transition of 185C, yes it's more expensive than PC, but CF is an abrasive material that may reduce the life of the nozzle.the best in my opinion,although not feasiblefor economic reason would be polyertherimide (PEI), with a glass transition of 210-215C.glass transition ( temperature where the polymer starts to soften) it's not the only parameter influential to creep but plays a lot into it. Just adding a bit of info that's all :)
I just recently started printing ASA on rare occasions. The spool of Elegoo I've been using has been printing well so far. These results will definitely influence my next ASA purchases.
Excellent video mate, thanks for sharing! I have been using Apollo-X quite a lot but will be switching to 3DO. Serves them right for not sponsoring you 😂
This is awesome! I have been looking to get into asa, but all these filaments are quite expensive near where I live. Because of this, I didn't want to lose money on a bad spool
Also couldnt find any Hips filament on your channel😅 Wondering if you have any plans to check it out on your channel since it is supposed to be an underrated material!
@@MyTechFun I definitely understand! Would be nice if the brands would send it. I hope your channel does well. I understand the pain of low views despite high effort. Just remember that all of your videos are evergreen and can do better and better over time. 😁
For the next test you should use the same color for all filaments or test natural filament as the color pigments affect the properties of the filament. But still a nice and valuable test! Thank you.
Thank you for this testing Igor. I think the big barrier for large prints is the warping/shrinkage with ASA. I have only used Polymaker ASA at this point and can relate that it definitely warps. Would you be interested in doing a spinoff video on printing the Azurefilm and Formfutura with larger prints (maybe p1p bed size) for a true anti warping champion. Also, could add something to increase adhesion on some of the others that had low warping but other good performance metrics. Thanks again!
I have a similar exhaust setup for my X1C. I have the TerraBloom ECMF-100 setup as my inline fan. It is designed so you could hook up a Arduino or similar to control the fan speed.
Oh I print quite a bit ASA. A recent experience was with elegoo (can't resist to try 22USD\2kg). They print okay but warps in my K1's 45 degree C chamber... Wouldn't mind printing a lot of ABS ad well, especially when I don't need UV resistance. I print those in my garage and have a blower fan ventilate the place afterwards so the odor doesn't really bother me.
Thanks for the indepth testing, I would suggest that next time you use the same color for all brands as the pigment has quite some impact on the material properties
I print almost exclusively with ASA. The Polymaker prints wonderfully for me. Flashforge was somewhat problematic as details were not as crisp. Looking forward to try some 3DO
Great video. Please can I asking you considered Fillamentum? They have a great range of ASA colours and I find them very strong but a little fiddly to print sometimes. Anyhow, many thanks for your efforts.
Did you use glue on the buildplate? I didn’t get this directly from your video. Also on the fan part. I have a similar issue. So I’m going the way of Thomas Salander (Made with Layers) and I’m going to put a Ikea Fornuftig in place to actively filter out VoC’s. And a good reminder, after watching many video’s to the end and liking them. I finally reminded myself to click your patreon link. Time to join the MTF patreon family :) 😊
@@MyTechFun Ive had the besr results with ASA on smooth PEI plates. I hated the tetured gold Bambu plate. Id wager I could print all these in the warp test without failing
For my application (drone frames) the eSun ASA would be the best. However it's only available in black? Bummer. Extrudr ASA would have also been nice. That's what I am using right now. Anyways. Thanks for this video!
I use 3DO ASA for most things. Prints perfect on a K1 with MS FlowTech hotend. NO warping if you keep chamber at 55-60C, just throw a blanket over and block venting if needed. I limit to 20mm3/s, 150mm/s at 245C and it always works . . . Your experience may differ
I use only the chamber fan and only at 40% just to create slight negative pressure rather than actually trying to suck too much air out (it needs to get in somewhere to replace it). With a Bentobox as well, I get no smell at all in my small office space.
You know, another good test for ASA in the future might be rapid sun weathering - exposing it to UVA and some UVB frequencies (using UV lamps) for a bit then testing surface hardness and strength. After all, ASA is supposedly formulated to resist that kind of light damage, and a primary driver to select it over ABS for outdoor applications. Cheers!
Hi, I’ve just noticed that Bambu has a fillament I can’t find any reviews for (myst be new): PPA-CF. They also say it’s easy to print. And that it has “metal like strength”, high precision, great humidity resistance and high temp resistance. But no videos on youtube. It’s 100+ Euros for 0.75kg. It would be very interesting to see all your different kinds of tests on it (strength, layer adhesion etc.). Including heat set inserts tests. Would they maybe send you one? 😁
Great Video! Thank you! ASA is a great material. I only print it if I really need it, for example for internal parts for my Prusa XL 5T with enclosure. I only have a spool from AzureFilm, the normal black ASA (not Prime). Its OK, but it warps more than your tested AzureFilm ASA Prime. I wish I could send you some printed samples of my ASA, so you can test it an add the values to your database. Could you share your STLs and print values? But it would not be representative, because of different printer etc. Maybe i should send you some Meters from my ASA ^^
Test objects are here: www.printables.com/model/465670-mytechfun-test-objects and almost every test object is printed with max number of walls. The vertical (for layer adhesion) is missing there, I will add it when I finish replying to comments..
i am very curious about atomic branded filament if you are able to source their filament. they command a premium price, and i have had very good experience printing with their filament, but i dont really know if it's justified.
Did you already do a comparison between 'pure' and recycled filaments? I saw you tested formfutura and they offer a large range of recycled materials. So a test Apollox vs. rApollo and epla vs rpla etc. would be interesting. And does not only go for formfutura. There are also other brands with a recycled portfolio
Double check this info. X1C intakes, P1S exhausts out of that vent. At least, logicalplanet states that their venting designs won't work with X1C because flow is reversed... I only have a P1S and the exhaust blow air out of that vent.
Your work is absolutely invaluable. Thank you. One suggestion if I may: Can you print a complex feature that would test the performance of these filaments? I'm talking overhangs, bridging, dimensional accuracy, print speed (very important) and warping, just to name a few.
I don't know how you would want to include it, but it would be good to know which brands have helped you out with filament. Obviously test results are the most important thing, but given multiple filaments that work for my application I would be inclined to buy the one that's supported you.
It's mentioned in the video somewhere. From 10 filaments 3 I bought myself: Qidi, FormFutura and Sunlu. Other are sent by companies for their separate review video (which already exists for all those filaments)
10:26 You are pointing out that you have AC to keep the temperature constant, but that is not my concern since I have been using ASA the last few years. It is the airflow that will warp it immediately. I don't print with an enclosure, but I make sure all my fans are off, my window is closed and I do not walk up to the printer too fast or close the door to the room. Any of that will warp it instantly. I'm afraid that with an AC unit creating airflow right next to it will throw off the results greatly.
I think you have to watch the video again. There the point was not to have perfect conditions, but perfect constant warping conditions, to see some difference between the filaments. And it worked really good, we can see big difference between them. In perfect conditions, all of them was printed fine (test objects on X1C).
@@MyTechFun Ah, ok. Must have been the phrasing or accent. I wasn't following what was being said I just saw the AC unit and went "That is 100% warping conditions" and then heard "The temperature will be very stable" and thought "that has little to do with warping". I didn't realize the point was to induce warping.
Can you check into why the ApolloX performed so poorly in the creep test and the impact test? With that kind of creep performance, it would be rather useless for outdoor purposes.
According to other comments, this is highly modified ASA. The printability is great, but they sacrifice some other mechanical properties. But I don't have details what are the main components (beside ASA).
Hey, Shouldn't the colour be also the same for good test results? First black absorbs much more sunlight. Therefore there is a big difference between black and white asa outside. Afaik the color from the master batch has great influence on the mechanic performance.
@@MyTechFunDue to the current hype of the ppa-cf I think you should prioritize that video. It will probably get more views than average since there aren't any independent test done yet
Why change the test sample dimensions? Also, your bending measurements don't line up with your prior test values. For example, in this test you had Flashforge mush stiffer then 3DO, whereas your prior test has 3DO being stiffer then the Flashforge (3DO = 1.31mm, Flashforge = 1.43mm)
In this video, they are printed with same printer and settings. Separatly they were printed on different printers and settings. That's why this kind of comparison is better.
You should definitely print more than one part per filament, per test. I would suggest do 3-5 of each. Try to keep filament in same color. Good work though!
Eh, when the YT algorithm will start to appreciate my videos, and I don't have to make them only for my curiosity, 3-5 test objects, here we go ;-) When I am writing some scientific article, I go with more test objects, but I am not doing it for myself only.
@@MyTechFun Appreciate the tests. The reason I keep buying DuraPro ASA is because it was the only officially UL94 HB 1,5 mm antiflammabilty rated filament I knew. Turns out of the 10 ASA filaments you tested the 3DO ASA is also UL94 HB 1,5 mm rated. Thanks for making me aware of this alternative I could use. I wish there was an UL94 V-0 rated filament. Currently I have to choose ABS for that, which has less UV resistance. I don't think there is any technical reason why they couldn't make ASA with that rating.
You're not wrong, mentions color testing at the end of the video. He doesn't make a profit off of these videos, I don't think he explicitly says this, but I think he want to own a variety of colors.
Honestly it wouldn't matter. I work in plastics manufacturing. We have pigment we blend into our products. We have two pigment manufacturers. They each require their own trials and testing before we can use them. They each create different results. Different compounds can create the same pigment. We have 5 variations of white, each with a different density and different effects on our products.
Hi Igor, unfortunately your test tests are almost useless because each colour pigment creates different material characteristics. When we test materials from same manufacture but from different colours we get completely different results.
Your warping test is severely flawed and does not reflect reality. Reality of warping is for example overhang performance and warp while using fans. Or larger thin printed parts. Pla prints overhangs perfectly with max fans. Thin overhangs with asa however does not work well. My use of asa for example requires a chamber temperature of around 60-70c for the print to even finish and not crash mid print. Did you try this and do you know why?
@@riba2233 No. Every single cosplayer would use ASA if it printed overhangs, bridges and similar well. There's a reason you only print these small mechanical parts shown in the video. That is what people almost always print. As soon as you add fans, which you must for bridges and overhangs, you add warping. A frustrating factor that is introduced and inevitable with the material. If you have ever printed large ASA prints, long thin parts or difficult overhangs and bridges you would know what I mean. The frustrating part is that this weakness of ASA isnt the focus. How they handle this is the pinnacle of ASA progress for the different companies the last few years. If cosplayers and other hobby printers could print ASA as PLA they would almost always use the ASA as it is so much better for the use, apart from the printability. I understand this might go over most peoples heads who mostly print PLA, but ASA would be the absolute best material if it cleared this hurdle.
Whatever FormFutura is selling, it's not ASA. They might not have wanted to send filament to you because you exposed that their ASA is extremely impure and doesn't behave like ASA.
Really appreciate these tests.
gotta be a petg mix like an abs +
@@ScytheNoire I really enjoyed printing FormFutura for my Voron parts. Whenever I had warping issues, this was my solution. Interesting to see that the mixture also has its downsides. Pretty logical, but I would have never expected such a big difference. However, for my Voron it's working absolutely fine with no issues
They advertise it as a modified ASA with less warping. Changing material properties always has side effects but that doesn't make the stuff bad. And ASA is already a compound, so even Filament made only from A,S and A can be different to each other
Thanks, Igor. I print a lot of ASA, and this is really helpful! Mostly QIDI and Polymaker / Overture, so it was good to see the differences.
Overture was too expensive to ship from US to EU (I bought Overture PETG, I couldn't find it in Europe)
@@MyTechFun In my opinion, no need to test Overture. It's identical to Polymaker. Import records (public info) show they come from the same factory in Suzhou, and I've run them side by side. The orange and purple for both is identical in color as are the spools. There are some who believe Overture is a sub-brand owned by Polymaker. I just know they have some filament coming from the same factory. There are other brands that also do the same. Flashforge makes for Voxel. Kexcelled owns / makes Hatchbox, which is their US brand (it's on their website, too). Kexcelled also produce a number of filaments for QIDI and others.
@@MyTechFun Overture and Polymaker are the same filaments, Overture is a sub-brand of Polymaker.
Thanks for including warping test. It's a huge decision factor for all the people that don't have an enclosed printer!
Thank you very much for this very good test!
I prefer ASA over ABS, even though it is more expensive. Your test gives me a well documented guide line which filament to buy.
Excellent test. Videos like these are incredibly valuable to the 3D printing community. Thanks!
Great analysis, thanks! I primarily use eSun eASA so I'm happy that it was a solid contender on most metrics. I was planning on trying it for some drone frames, and it looks like a solid choice given its impact performance.
I'm impressed with FlashForge's ASA too. Not great on impact performance, but it's very stiff and has very little creep, so it would be a good choice for structural parts in a 3D printer.
This video came in the perfect time. I've been doing a lot of research on what filament to use inside a car for paneling. I've been leaning towards ASA and your comparisons are exactly what I need.
have you looked into protopasta's HTPLA and CFHTPLA?
I have worked in a plastics plant and all the interior panels we made were PolyPropylene. There were 2 grades and the tougher was translucent and the lesser was opaque when we purged the natural material. The stuff for under the car was a conditioner added abs and normally a regrind of any scrapped PP parts.
@@rallyfeindlol "PP parts"
@@ThisisDD phrasing! Haha
Thanks for such a comprehensive test 👍
Thank you, and more similar comming soon (10 transparend petg, 8 black ABS..)
I just found your channel, subscribed, and I wanted to say I really like the format your present the test and information. Well done!
This is very useful information and I really like how well everything is laid out and documented. I will definitely pick up some 3DO filament and try it out.
I've been printing with ELEGOO ASA quite a bit, which has had no warping, but haven't really done a head-to-head comparison with other ASA filaments.
I def appreciate this one. I rarely use ASA, so when I do need it, I don't really have the time or space to test out a bunch of different brands to find the right one
Exactly the topic I needed! I print a lot in ASA and this video was very helpful. Thanks!
This is great testing! I was looking for the best filament to last outside in the heat, ASA was obvious, but this helped me picked which brand to use. Can't get 3DO in the US, so I will be trying FlashForge.
Glad it helped! I think they have a reseller in US. Try to ask 3DO about it. (you can mention the video too ;-) )
Thank you!
ASA has gotten cheaper where I live and is now a viable filament for everyday applications. Your video is exactly what I needed!
Liked & subscribed.
Thank you!
Hurray! Been waiting for this video for a long time. Köszönjük, Igor😍
You have one of the most important content for me.thank you for the great work 👍🏻
Thanks, Igor. A very useful video! I am slowly emptying my ABS stash and moving over to ASA, mostly 3DO, so I am very pleased with the results, too.
Thank you so much for making this video, I print most ASA and ASA+CF, your video helped me clear some questions I had.
You didn't test the main brand I use, but if I go by the average, that helps.
Thank you so much
Great vide0, one the best ones you've ever done, congratulations 😊
I'm a big polymaker fan, so I am currently watching the video looking forward to learn about it's properties compared to other brands :)
This was great! I may have to switch brands now but well worth it. & yes... my bell is on :)
Hahaha, your graph for the subscription got me 😂 had to stop the video to make sure I was subscribed and I already was. Good work
Thanks for the video! To filter the vapours from the filament, I installed the Bentobox system (with 2 radial fan mod), which circulates the air and filters it through HEPA and activated carbon. Advantage: The air temperature remains constant, no cold air is drawn in. However, for the system to work properly, the enclosure must be reasonably airtight.
As always, THE BEST videos !!!! Thanks for sharing those results and thank you for doing this type of comparisons.
Igor you have made my week! Your ASA testing confirmed my own experience. Your test discipline meets my expectations for quality of objective analysis results and your array of test parameters / results is quite impressive. As you conclude, the ultimate selection should be for the performance characteristics that are most important, and in this regard, we have made the same brand conclusion (I have observed about half of the products you tested, plus PA CF filament - disappointing).
Nicely done sir... I will share your work with others. Rgrds
one of the best classic MTF vids!
i don't print ASA but always wanted to know how the brands compare
curious now about woodfill filaments
This is a great video. These filament brand comparison is really good. Really interested in carbon fibers brand comparisons. Also would be great to see a density metric to see kilo for kilo comparison. Having gradual increase with wall and infill comparison would be cool too unless material is just linear. I'm new to 3d printing so not sure. Thanks!
Lovely video. I print a lot of ASA, almost exclusively pokymaker, 3DO and West3d. All are
Excellent.
why asa and not others ? there are better and easier to print filaments in my opinion
Massively time consuming test, well done. I use ASA for less stressed car parts, though i hate the smell, even if I have the printer in the garage. Maybe you should buy a serious air cleaner with so much printing indoors, for the sake of the family:)
Thank you, I am glad that you find the video useful!
What material do you prefer for more stressed car parts?
@@ixe87 I use prusa PCCF for most parts since its not affect by moisture, is stiff and doesnt creep like nylon, can handle 130C . Also added add North PC Which should handle 185C, but havent done any car parts with it yet, but i have plans :)
@@ixe87 depend of the stress type. Against bending pc-cf. But I like ASA too.
@@garagecedric polycarbonate absorbs less moisture, but still its properties vary with moisture as PA does, a better alternative to PAs are PPAs( polyphtalamides or semiaromatic polyamides, but yes, they're also more expensive). polysulfone has a glass transition of 185C, yes it's more expensive than PC, but CF is an abrasive material that may reduce the life of the nozzle.the best in my opinion,although not feasiblefor economic reason would be polyertherimide (PEI), with a glass transition of 210-215C.glass transition ( temperature where the polymer starts to soften) it's not the only parameter influential to creep but plays a lot into it. Just adding a bit of info that's all :)
Liked and subbed. Thanks for these videos!
Awesome, thank you!
Just a comment to help with the algorithm. Thanks for the video. Great selection of brands!!!
Thanks for that!
Thank you for this video, as always very informative video
Nice! Hope to see this with all the PC Blends that are available too
Thank you for this great comparison!
Great video! Very beneficial and answered all my questions!
I just recently started printing ASA on rare occasions. The spool of Elegoo I've been using has been printing well so far. These results will definitely influence my next ASA purchases.
Excellent video mate, thanks for sharing! I have been using Apollo-X quite a lot but will be switching to 3DO.
Serves them right for not sponsoring you 😂
Thanks for the great video!
Glad you liked it! Thank you for the support!
This is awesome! I have been looking to get into asa, but all these filaments are quite expensive near where I live. Because of this, I didn't want to lose money on a bad spool
Also couldnt find any Hips filament on your channel😅 Wondering if you have any plans to check it out on your channel since it is supposed to be an underrated material!
@@harkrits.nagpal6505 yeah that would be nice!
Exceptional work!
Your thorough testing and greatly appreciated. I'm fascinated to see the results of your color testing, that was a solid observation.
If possible it would be great to see a round two with white filament from every brand. Hope the channel does well!
Eh, I should then re-buy all those filaments. My budget don't allows me this and I am not so curious about it currently to invest.
@@MyTechFun I definitely understand! Would be nice if the brands would send it. I hope your channel does well. I understand the pain of low views despite high effort. Just remember that all of your videos are evergreen and can do better and better over time. 😁
For the next test you should use the same color for all filaments or test natural filament as the color pigments affect the properties of the filament.
But still a nice and valuable test!
Thank you.
Thank you for this testing Igor. I think the big barrier for large prints is the warping/shrinkage with ASA. I have only used Polymaker ASA at this point and can relate that it definitely warps.
Would you be interested in doing a spinoff video on printing the Azurefilm and Formfutura with larger prints (maybe p1p bed size) for a true anti warping champion. Also, could add something to increase adhesion on some of the others that had low warping but other good performance metrics. Thanks again!
Polymaker ASA I think is a good brand/product, but in my case, warping and shrinkage did not have a happy end in my case. I still have to tweak stuff
I have a similar exhaust setup for my X1C. I have the TerraBloom ECMF-100 setup as my inline fan. It is designed so you could hook up a Arduino or similar to control the fan speed.
love your videos!!!!!! keep it up plz
Oh I print quite a bit ASA. A recent experience was with elegoo (can't resist to try 22USD\2kg). They print okay but warps in my K1's 45 degree C chamber...
Wouldn't mind printing a lot of ABS ad well, especially when I don't need UV resistance.
I print those in my garage and have a blower fan ventilate the place afterwards so the odor doesn't really bother me.
Thanks for the indepth testing, I would suggest that next time you use the same color for all brands as the pigment has quite some impact on the material properties
I print almost exclusively with ASA.
The Polymaker prints wonderfully for me.
Flashforge was somewhat problematic as details were not as crisp. Looking forward to try some 3DO
Great video. Please can I asking you considered Fillamentum? They have a great range of ASA colours and I find them very strong but a little fiddly to print sometimes. Anyhow, many thanks for your efforts.
Very interesting, thank you for that. Do you have uv numbers for test days?
Thank you. No I don't have UV numbers, basically, those 4 days were the last summer days here in Budapest.
Did you use glue on the buildplate? I didn’t get this directly from your video.
Also on the fan part. I have a similar issue. So I’m going the way of Thomas Salander (Made with Layers) and I’m going to put a Ikea Fornuftig in place to actively filter out VoC’s.
And a good reminder, after watching many video’s to the end and liking them. I finally reminded myself to click your patreon link. Time to join the MTF patreon family :) 😊
Engineering plate + glue stick (for warping test on P1P: textured PEI, no adhesive). Thank you for the support!
@@MyTechFun Ive had the besr results with ASA on smooth PEI plates. I hated the tetured gold Bambu plate. Id wager I could print all these in the warp test without failing
Thank you.
video idea: ASA welding with acetone / friction welding bonding tests
Interesting ideas. Thx.
35 degrees peak in summer is not good enough to test 😁 in my country it can reach 55 degrees and more , btw great video
Wow, where do you live? My budget is not enough to travel to so hot places for testing purposes :-)
@@MyTechFun In Kuwait Middle East 🫣, the PLA melted inside the car 😂
Maybe I will test some filaments under the sun
For my application (drone frames) the eSun ASA would be the best.
However it's only available in black? Bummer.
Extrudr ASA would have also been nice. That's what I am using right now.
Anyways. Thanks for this video!
I use 3DO ASA for most things. Prints perfect on a K1 with MS FlowTech hotend.
NO warping if you keep chamber at 55-60C, just throw a blanket over and block venting if needed.
I limit to 20mm3/s, 150mm/s at 245C and it always works . . .
Your experience may differ
Thanks!
Thank you for your support!
Excellent.
I use only the chamber fan and only at 40% just to create slight negative pressure rather than actually trying to suck too much air out (it needs to get in somewhere to replace it).
With a Bentobox as well, I get no smell at all in my small office space.
You know, another good test for ASA in the future might be rapid sun weathering - exposing it to UVA and some UVB frequencies (using UV lamps) for a bit then testing surface hardness and strength. After all, ASA is supposedly formulated to resist that kind of light damage, and a primary driver to select it over ABS for outdoor applications. Cheers!
Hi,
I’ve just noticed that Bambu has a fillament I can’t find any reviews for (myst be new): PPA-CF. They also say it’s easy to print. And that it has “metal like strength”, high precision, great humidity resistance and high temp resistance. But no videos on youtube. It’s 100+ Euros for 0.75kg. It would be very interesting to see all your different kinds of tests on it (strength, layer adhesion etc.). Including heat set inserts tests. Would they maybe send you one? 😁
I just got a spool of PPA-CF. Video comming after Bambu PC and PA6 filaments.
Great Video! Thank you!
ASA is a great material. I only print it if I really need it, for example for internal parts for my Prusa XL 5T with enclosure. I only have a spool from AzureFilm, the normal black ASA (not Prime). Its OK, but it warps more than your tested AzureFilm ASA Prime. I wish I could send you some printed samples of my ASA, so you can test it an add the values to your database. Could you share your STLs and print values? But it would not be representative, because of different printer etc. Maybe i should send you some Meters from my ASA ^^
Test objects are here: www.printables.com/model/465670-mytechfun-test-objects and almost every test object is printed with max number of walls. The vertical (for layer adhesion) is missing there, I will add it when I finish replying to comments..
“Best” is very subjective, I wish you’d had a “sparkle test” because I love me some sparkly filament! More sparkle = more better! 😂
OK. Correction: Best according to my testings and between tested filaments only ;-)
@@MyTechFun I’ve watched enough of your videos to know that for you the best is the filament that puts up a fight 😆
i am very curious about atomic branded filament if you are able to source their filament. they command a premium price, and i have had very good experience printing with their filament, but i dont really know if it's justified.
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Did you already do a comparison between 'pure' and recycled filaments?
I saw you tested formfutura and they offer a large range of recycled materials.
So a test Apollox vs. rApollo and epla vs rpla etc. would be interesting.
And does not only go for formfutura. There are also other brands with a recycled portfolio
Double check this info. X1C intakes, P1S exhausts out of that vent. At least, logicalplanet states that their venting designs won't work with X1C because flow is reversed... I only have a P1S and the exhaust blow air out of that vent.
i like the 3DO Asa, besides your shipping information gets hacked.
Lol
I also had to install an inline fan - mine goes to a large carbon canister rather than outside.
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3DO looks to be the best all around
Your work is absolutely invaluable. Thank you. One suggestion if I may: Can you print a complex feature that would test the performance of these filaments? I'm talking overhangs, bridging, dimensional accuracy, print speed (very important) and warping, just to name a few.
I don't know how you would want to include it, but it would be good to know which brands have helped you out with filament. Obviously test results are the most important thing, but given multiple filaments that work for my application I would be inclined to buy the one that's supported you.
It's mentioned in the video somewhere. From 10 filaments 3 I bought myself: Qidi, FormFutura and Sunlu. Other are sent by companies for their separate review video (which already exists for all those filaments)
10:26 You are pointing out that you have AC to keep the temperature constant, but that is not my concern since I have been using ASA the last few years. It is the airflow that will warp it immediately. I don't print with an enclosure, but I make sure all my fans are off, my window is closed and I do not walk up to the printer too fast or close the door to the room. Any of that will warp it instantly. I'm afraid that with an AC unit creating airflow right next to it will throw off the results greatly.
I think you have to watch the video again. There the point was not to have perfect conditions, but perfect constant warping conditions, to see some difference between the filaments. And it worked really good, we can see big difference between them. In perfect conditions, all of them was printed fine (test objects on X1C).
@@MyTechFun Ah, ok. Must have been the phrasing or accent. I wasn't following what was being said I just saw the AC unit and went "That is 100% warping conditions" and then heard "The temperature will be very stable" and thought "that has little to do with warping". I didn't realize the point was to induce warping.
Can you check into why the ApolloX performed so poorly in the creep test and the impact test? With that kind of creep performance, it would be rather useless for outdoor purposes.
According to other comments, this is highly modified ASA. The printability is great, but they sacrifice some other mechanical properties. But I don't have details what are the main components (beside ASA).
i'd like to see you test Fusion filaments ASA they claim the HDT is much higher than other ASA
I didn't realize YT paid so poorly
Hey,
Shouldn't the colour be also the same for good test results?
First black absorbs much more sunlight. Therefore there is a big difference between black and white asa outside.
Afaik the color from the master batch has great influence on the mechanic performance.
please test the new banbuklabs ppa cf :) i would lovve to know the creep results
Its here. Only after BL PC and PA6 (in progress)
@@MyTechFun awesome!!!
@@MyTechFunDue to the current hype of the ppa-cf I think you should prioritize that video. It will probably get more views than average since there aren't any independent test done yet
Why change the test sample dimensions? Also, your bending measurements don't line up with your prior test values. For example, in this test you had Flashforge mush stiffer then 3DO, whereas your prior test has 3DO being stiffer then the Flashforge (3DO = 1.31mm, Flashforge = 1.43mm)
In this video, they are printed with same printer and settings. Separatly they were printed on different printers and settings. That's why this kind of comparison is better.
I can get a good enough roll of 1KG ABS on ebay for £7 to £9, ASA isn't close to as cheap.
Yes. But if you need weather and UV resistance even the best price will not help.
Just concerns me that i know for a fact that different colors can have different results
You should definitely print more than one part per filament, per test. I would suggest do 3-5 of each. Try to keep filament in same color. Good work though!
Eh, when the YT algorithm will start to appreciate my videos, and I don't have to make them only for my curiosity, 3-5 test objects, here we go ;-)
When I am writing some scientific article, I go with more test objects, but I am not doing it for myself only.
Still various colors? We know pigment changes material behavior so not completely fair
Extrudr DuraPro ASA missing in action.
Oh, and many others. But 10 is nice round number 🙂
@@MyTechFun Appreciate the tests. The reason I keep buying DuraPro ASA is because it was the only officially UL94 HB 1,5 mm antiflammabilty rated filament I knew.
Turns out of the 10 ASA filaments you tested the 3DO ASA is also UL94 HB 1,5 mm rated. Thanks for making me aware of this alternative I could use.
I wish there was an UL94 V-0 rated filament. Currently I have to choose ABS for that, which has less UV resistance. I don't think there is any technical reason why they couldn't make ASA with that rating.
editing sucks. absolutely the no1 reason i only have like 12 videos posted and no subs. haha.
Wouldn’t same color for testing be better for data?
It's not obvious that they would use the same additives, even if they are the same colour.
You're not wrong, mentions color testing at the end of the video. He doesn't make a profit off of these videos, I don't think he explicitly says this, but I think he want to own a variety of colors.
Honestly it wouldn't matter. I work in plastics manufacturing. We have pigment we blend into our products. We have two pigment manufacturers. They each require their own trials and testing before we can use them. They each create different results. Different compounds can create the same pigment. We have 5 variations of white, each with a different density and different effects on our products.
Yay, another completely invalid test.
Hi Igor, unfortunately your test tests are almost useless because each colour pigment creates different material characteristics. When we test materials from same manufacture but from different colours we get completely different results.
Your warping test is severely flawed and does not reflect reality. Reality of warping is for example overhang performance and warp while using fans. Or larger thin printed parts.
Pla prints overhangs perfectly with max fans. Thin overhangs with asa however does not work well.
My use of asa for example requires a chamber temperature of around 60-70c for the print to even finish and not crash mid print. Did you try this and do you know why?
He did use overhangs, fan, and printed thin parts, what are you talking about?
@@riba2233 No. Every single cosplayer would use ASA if it printed overhangs, bridges and similar well. There's a reason you only print these small mechanical parts shown in the video. That is what people almost always print. As soon as you add fans, which you must for bridges and overhangs, you add warping. A frustrating factor that is introduced and inevitable with the material.
If you have ever printed large ASA prints, long thin parts or difficult overhangs and bridges you would know what I mean. The frustrating part is that this weakness of ASA isnt the focus. How they handle this is the pinnacle of ASA progress for the different companies the last few years. If cosplayers and other hobby printers could print ASA as PLA they would almost always use the ASA as it is so much better for the use, apart from the printability. I understand this might go over most peoples heads who mostly print PLA, but ASA would be the absolute best material if it cleared this hurdle.
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