I feel like his voice tone is good but his rhythm is a bit off? Something that can definitely be fixed. But I'm a bit disappointed that he passed because if any of the other rappers were off beat, they would've been eliminated for sure.
조재호 Hey fuck down. If you have potential, u indeed could also wipe your own ass. I know vernon, you don't. so just stfu . P-type had the potential but he fucked up obvs you don't seem to know that you smtm reject. How you gonna compare a 17 old predebut Vernon to a rap masternim? gtfo I'm zoning ouuutt
Riri Suleiman R u expecting me to say smth like "Woah!! So cool u kno Vernon?"? Lmfao hey that gay or whatever relationship u have w him doesnt fuckin matter. Potential doesnt matter in this show fucker. Skill matters and like what u have said Vernon is a predebut and p type is a rap master. Even if p type made mistakes it was better than that of Vernon. Man! The word "bitch" perfectly suits for u!!
조재호 If potential doesn't matter then idk why Vernon went through. You are obviously a great judge so maybe you should apply for SMTM . Oh i forgot? You can't ..if your are that salty about P-type not going through maybe you should just move on you lowlife. I guess i am a bitch for saying this, but you are not even worth calling anything because you need to focus on your own depressive life.
I'm afraid the judges are letting him pass just for the "show" they can get with him. Other rappers taking him down by his looks/race and idol related stuff is gonna make "news", so more publicity for them. Yeah, if that's the reason, your going too low, MNET, that's just not right. I hope that's not the reason, tho. He has a hella lot of potential, but I wouldn't let him pass this round.
Lemme start off by saying Vernon is my bias from seventeen but im gonna be honest nonetheless. Up untill the 0:32 mark is was painful. The rap itself wasnt terrible but it didnt match with the beat and sounded really forced. After that it seemed like he kind of started matching with the beat and the rapping was a little better but still sounded tense. I get what he was trying to do with the singing parts, adding some melodies but it didnt work... i dont know why maybe because he was nervous but it sounded out of tune. He definately has potential though so im still rooting for him. I just hope he gets a good coach to help him improve in these areas.
Tony Lee when did i blame the beat lol i said, amd i quote, "didnt match with the beat" meaning HE didnt match up with it. As in HIS flow was off. Does that make sense? Or do i have to give some more examples?
Tony Lee i get what ur saying but hes already been training for at least 3 years eith his company. Also, the company kpop orientated and since smtm is all about rap and hip hop, it could help him improve a lot quicker and gain experience points. Like all those survival shows
Jeonghan said that Seventeen only get around 2-3 hours of sleep, Vernon didn't. Vernon even got an IV to able to do music shows, fanmeetings and participate in the show. Imagine no sleep and no rest. I listened to the mixtapes so I know his style and this isn't it. Of course I want him to show the judges and viewers what he made of on the next round. Vernon fighting!!!!!!!!!
You're so right. His schedule is so hectic, I think it's affecting him, because I've heard him rap. Even Jessi said he's a good rapper, I don't know what the hell happened here but that is not the Vernon I know. For all of those who say he can't rap please do your research - soundcloud . com/seventeen17-3/seventeen-mixtape-vol8-b-boyb-boymeek-mill-samplingvernon
blacklover1995 if he's getting only 2-3 hrs of sleep maybe he shouldn't be participating on this program that requires a lot of time and energy? it's not even helping his image
nothingpersonalhomie I know what you are saying, but he just want to join for fun and promote Seventeen. Rookies are debuting left and right, he's just trying to get their name out there. The judges chose for him to stay because they see potential in him. SMTM4 is happy as they are getting so much attention thanks to Vernon and other Idols rapper. He get the experience and the show get viewers.
***** I'm glad that Jooheon is doing a great job, everyone cope with stress differently. The judges pass Vernon so he have to stay. Congrats to Joonheon
blacklover1995 Bobby and BI were 18, still trainees and were recording Mix and Match at the same time they participated last year. And their CEO told them they could pack and go home If they weren't succesful. And Bobby won it. Stop justifying the fact that this was so terrible, If he wasn't good enough he should have kept practicing with his company.
yes , this was horrible .. But why are people still stressed over it ? & still sends him hate for it . lol he has improved so much since this , get over it & stop being butthurt
It is a HUGE difference between a rapper and someone who raps. Anyone and I mean ANYONE can get up and say some lyrics but to be a rapper it's different. Jackson (I love that extra boy) is a person who raps people like Suga, Rap Monster, Bobby, B.I, they're rappers.
Honestly everyone who's using his age to make a point has no grounds. There was the other contestant who was a student and he clearly impressed all the judges. Age has nothing to do with it, maybe Vernon is better than what he showed but that isn't an excuse. P-Type was someone everyone thought would pass and he got eliminated because he made 2 mistakes despite his lyrics being really good and the judges knowing he was really good overall.
He may not be great but he passed for a good reason. Hansol can do better I believe. San.E and Verbal Jint wanted to see what he'll do next. Giving a chance isn't bad at all when someone is actually really good and got potential.
Nana Hanaá ... you mean it?? honestly, this is not what SMTM4 is about! they judge about the performance you give and not how you could do in the future.. I really don't know why he passed, his performance was weak... but well I guess, they will give an explanation next week
1412SAX55 yeah but this the beginning. You can't pick the best one from the beginning. You gotta see what happens next, cause known of us knows what happens next. Yes I agree his performance is weak but I don't think his rapping was bad , even though some parts were okay. San.E and VJ made him pass for his rap or they need to explain why he passed.... I honestly think that he did better with his first round. Plus SMTM4 judgers doesn't judge about the performance you give... They judge at how good you are and the underground fans are the ones that judge about the performances.
Nana Hanaá well, that's my bad english then... my bad. With performance I meant that what they show the judges (including his rapping skills and whatever) Maybe he should have used another beat, but he sounded weak.. Also, it is like this, if you mess up, you're out. why should P-Type go? He was out cuz he fogot his lyrics. If he wouldn't have messed it up, he would have been able to go to the next round for sure. He has the potential too..
1412SAX55 awwww okay got ya now. Yeah I think he should have. Yeah but to be honest I have no idea what the judgers thinks sometimes. B.I got a chance last year.. I'm not sure if they'll give chances for forgetting lyrics
Nana Hanaá nothing against his rap skills, I haven't really heard him yet and I already ready comments saying that he couldn't show everthin he's got. That's fine cuz I know last year there were many who couldn't pass even the 1st round (like Black Nut, lol, but he's fun xD ) or this time Kasper, I do listen to her but well yeah she didn't do well.. And I don't think they'll do that again. They did that last year cuz they had so many who did badly in the 1:1 and they wanted to kick out both but had to deside who isn't as worse as the other one.. so they let the others (not all, only those who they thought who are good) try to come back.. but that was only cuz they had battles with both doing good.. hope this doesn't happen this time tho xD
wow, mnet's editing really is evil. when i watched the broadcasted version, it was so cringeworthy, but this full version isn't half as bad as the broadcasted one... wow mnet...
KyuhyunDonghae I agree wtf am stunned it changed so much I was getting a mental breakdown on how bad it was when the episode was airing here it doesn't sound that bad SRSLY WTF MNET
You know what? I'm so incredibly proud of him. Because of all of the feedback he got on this, he took the time to work even harder to where he is today and he's improved so much. And that's what people love him for.
me being a black person that grew up around hip hop and r&b, this rap wasn't that bad don't exaggerate it. he apologized for it and his rap has greatly improved. he even got his own mixtape tho so who's the real winner here? *slowly sips*
Bushra Parveen Rap came from black culture lmao it's what most black people listen too. If you haven't listened to rap a day in your life you don't know shit about it. But he was young at the time and I can admit, it was stupid of him to go on there and promote himself and his group. But shit happens, at the end of the day he was eliminated.
chittaphon leechaiyapornkul yeah I’m sorry, I just reread what I wrote and I don’t understand my reasoning, my bad. I wrote this two years ago and don’t remember writing it💀I agree with you dw
i hope i understand what he's saying, bcs rap not only about the vibe but lyrics is also matter. and dont forget that he's only 17 years old omg dont look down on him already. anyway good luck vernon!
Ghina Wijaya that's why they shouldnt have let him passed. because he is young, he will learn more from a failure than from an easy road. that's one huge way for him to improve.
raya masaki i got what you're trying to say, but why must complain so much when he get a chance in this? maybe the judge sees any potential in him and well he just passed, not become a winner already so why must be so mad about it?
Ghina Wijaya im not complaining because i want to see a another smtm drama where he's involved. i want to see him face an utter humiliation on one on one battle with other rappers. im stocking popcorn to see that happens.
ANNOUNCEMENT!! CARATS. S.coups told to a staff to not remind vernon about this because s.coups noticed vernon was very sad when the show finished then a fan in a concert was raising a very big tarpaulin raising the the show logo then s.coups saw vernon a little bit tearing up i hope the fan felt soooooo bad about her fault. (edit):please never let vernon remember this again
여러 사정으로 제 실력 충분히 못 발휘한 걸 감안해도 이때 실력이 많이 부족했던 건 부정할 수 없음.. 그리고 팀 알리러 나왔다는 말이 래퍼들한테 불쾌하게 들렸을 수도 있다는 것도 인정함 버논이가 무슨 마음으로 그랬을지는 너무 잘 알지만 힙합밖에 모르는 사람들한테는 알 바 아니니까.. 근데 버논이는 단 한 번도 랩에 진심이 아니었던 적이 없음. 항상 열심히 했고 지금은 이 때랑은 비교도 안 되게 잘함 아이돌치고 잘하는게 아니라 그냥 래퍼들이랑 비교해도 잘하는데 대중들이 이걸로만 기억한다는 게 너무 안타까움..
I honestly don't think it was god-awful. It definitely wasn't up to par with a lot of the rappers out now, but we've got to keep in mind that he was 17 and just starting out. Now, the singing shouldn't have been added. That's what kinda killed it for me. And, also, at the end of the video it was clear that Vernon knew he didn't do well. So, the unnecessary comments can stop.
im so confused, this isnt as bad as what i was expecting considering all the hate he got for it.... i mean it's not exactly that good or anything but i dont consider it horrible (apart from the attempted singing parts tbh). but maybe it's cos everyone else was better cos i havent watched the other performances or anything
***** a lot of people think he was really bad, but i feel a lot more are just agreeing without independent thought. like obviously this wasn't good (and yeah... those singing parts... no thank you) but it wasn't the worst rap ever. it was, however, probably the worst that made it through - there were people who did better who were eliminated which is why it's caused such a commotion. if he hadn't made it through it would've just been laughed off.
I understand that some of you guys are saying he wasn't good, but seriously?? Rap is judged by flow, delivery and lyrics and most of y'all are coming to a conclusion based soley on flow and delivery. Do you even _understand_ what Vernon is saying? I, myself can barely judge cuz I sadly don't know what he is saying. Also, this is not me denying the fact that he needs improvement, lol people this is only the second episode, just like the contestants in previous SMTM seasons, they weren't all 100% in the beginning. And I know a lot of people are saying that San E passed him cuz he pitied him (or idek), but if you watched the first episode San E told Vernon something along the lines of "I would feel bad if I didnt pass you." Take this however you want, but I took it as him saying that Vernon is still not at the *omfg* factor yet but it would be a shame if he didnt pass him.
He didnt deliver anything. He was all bragged about how pretty he is and bouta flex on you ninja cuz i aint give a fuck. His lyric, pronounciation, stressing, breath and the tone were all off but yet he passed lol
Tony Lee tbh when I saw him performing for this round I thought he would fail cuz this was definitely not his best stage. but from seeing his other raps, I know that he has talent. judging from this one video wouldnt do justice to anything, lol just cuz Ptype stuttered in his performance would you say that he, ultimately as a rapper, has horrible flow/delivery? nah that wouldnt count cuz its only one video of him showcasing his rapping. Khairunnisa Nabila ure right, he's only 17 and he's only got a few dollas (sorry for that reference lmao.) also, i agree, Vernon is good at making lyrics, just hope that the judges dig his style lol. :3 Ever Greatest Vernon is pretty loll, and I dont deny that a lot of people think that. and maybe he was hyped up in your eyes, but to the judges preferences (San E and Verbal Jint), they couldve seen something that they liked about Vernon. nobody rly knows Verbal Jint's preference lmao, but as for San E, he said he tries to look for story-telling in raps cuz he finds it intriguing. other than that Vernon _does_ need improvement and practice, but writing him off rn as a bad rapper wouldnt be fair.
lavishly veiled oh and here I thought it involved keeping up with the beat and good lyrics... oh I am so stupid... this is actually just about how gangsta you look, how cool and swag you are... And it seems it also involves destroying the base and beat. And just so you know the episode was translated and you can watch it on dailymotion, so yes, I know what he's rapping.
Eli blue well isnt keeping up with the beat considered as flow/delivery? also, as I mentioned above, lyrics is (of course) something the judges critique lol. and im not too sure what you meant by "this is actually just about how gangsta you look, how cool and swag you are...", are you trying to say that the judges critque based off of that and destorying the beat?? btw ive watched the subbed episode already and the meaning of his rap wasnt as bad as his delivery. i mean no offense by that, I love Vernon lol but things werent really in his favour. as he said his debut was the week ahead, and not only that but he already had a lot of pressure on him for (a) being an idol rapper, and (b) being one of, if not _the_ youngest rapper on SMTM4. also, this might have been something only I noticed, but I feel like the clips that showed the other contestants scoffing at his performance really influenced the way other people saw it lol. :3
This is the reason why I thought Vernon's just another pretty face and so is his group. I used to see him as an arrogant and talentless individual who only rose into fame because of his looks. But I was so wrong. This may have been a big failure but I learned that he and other SEVENTEEN members are actually very talented. Aside from that, he also has a nice personality. I was so wrong to judge him harshly and it really made me smile when he told his co-members how sorry he is for being "greedy" (his words) and dragging the group into infamy. It's a good thing that SEVENTEEN and their fans have such a pleasant personality and continued supporting him, all the while pointing out the things he still has to improve. And what's even better is that Vernon learned a lot from this and continued working harder. This audition is bad and cringey, but he is improving; and that's what matters.
Eff Sanchez He also did this show,along with their debut,he was getting no sleep at all,even Jeonghan stated that he was worried about Vernon,getting no rest,he even stated that Vernon had to go to the hospital to get iv fluids during this time
You had me in the first half ngl! I thought you were only going to bash him and the group. 😅 It's my first time watching this and i'm just happy how he's improved a lot and has become the idol rapper he is now.
And here i am in 2024 just realising this videos is pure gold cuz we can defintely saw his growth and how he overcame failure and now every idol respect him and svt
Also some yall fangirls need stop with the "He's got potential" shit A lot of people with more potential than him got eliminated. Wtf they seriously need to stop passing him because of he's "looks" he ain't even all tbh.
That "aaaah I'm feeling my self" killed me 😂 he's just your typical idol. He should leave it that way instead of trying to be something he's not & embarrassing himself
Fleur L Jooheon is really good^^ but don't forget the fact that he has like more experience in stage like this bcz of No Mercy. i guess Hansol can do better.. I see you are a bit biased cuz you like Monsta X but i will not say anything bcz i like them too.. I like seventeen too but i am more into Monsta X.. I hope i can see Hansol doing it better. I know he can do it.. This was mehh
I feel bad for Vernon. he could do much better if he actually had the time. I mean 17 are doing so many promotions since they've debuted a month ago. they've been on plenty of radio shows, fan meetings, and music shows. jeonghan had said that 17 gets about 2-3 hours of sleep, but Vernon has been very nervous that he doesn't sleep at all. he even needed an iv drip. I feel bad for him since he has so many things to do while doing other things as a group, 17. but anyways I hope Vernon can actually prove the haters wrong, but he needs rest. :c
triggertheoriegroupy of course jooheon would be more confident since he was always praised in the program that monsta x has been through, so he always had complimented himself whereas hansol was a trainee for like 2 years?where of course he's very nervous and young, he's 17 and jooheon is what 20? just 3 years older which isn't much of a difference, but jooheon has more expiernce, especially when he was an underground rapper. ive been kept updated of what monsta x has been doing, and 17 has been doing a bit more than monsta x. nervousness can destroy a person in a matter of seconds, but I know Vernon is a good rapper, but tiredness and nervousness took a part of him.
kry It's not about confidence, the fact stands that Hansol showed a very disappointing performance that both the judges and contestants picked up on. Yang Hongwon is 16 and his performance was great, so inexperience and age are not justifiable factors and undeniably it comes down to skill and talent. However, alike Jooheon I give Hansol some slack because they both struggled with other arts before pursuing rap, Jooheon with backup dancing and Hansol with singing. I've followed seventeen for years and Hansol's song Mia is still my favourite seventeen tv song, but, based on this performance alone, in comparison with Minjae, Kidoh, P Type and Yano who failed, he did not deserve to pass.
triggertheoriegroupy to bring out great lyrics and practice on your flow takes time. and its time that hansol doesn't have. if you have confidence you end up doing better...if you don't you end up bringing a terrible performance. hongwon has time to do more things... I mean he doesn't have to focus on group promotions and everything, where hansol has more things to handle. yano and kidoh were also my favorites, of course it's a shame, but we cant do anything but just see how everything will unfold and see who will leave and who will continue. I actually thought vernons rap was okay until he decided to sing which made him sound like a toad lol, but I just hope he can do better, and have rest and time to practice so he can prove to the people who looked down to him that he's not just a pretty faced idol, but that he truly has talent that they should recognize.
He could use those lyrics that he had written during his trainee years.. If he had talented in rapping, I'm sure using the old lyrics are fine.. Alot of the rappers on this show recycled their verse from their songs to use in this competition.. and what taking time your talking abouy? Lol i thought this cutie pie has been training under a company
THIS IS THE PROOF THAT VERNON IMPROVED SO MUCH. I LOVE HIS RAP NOW IN EVERY SEVENTEEN SONGS. :) its better to see the failure and now the improvement. he's #trained well now.
I love Hansol (Vernon) but this wasn't as good as i thought it was gonna be. But cut him some slack, he's been through alot and he's still a rookie in what he does.
I hate how people still don't like vernon to this day because of this. like sure maybe it wasn't the best but it also wasn't the worst. he's an amazing person and he's gotten a lot better now that he's with seventeen, okay? it's just disgusting how people still send him hate over this when it was so long ago and that he's improved so much. honestly, I bet half of the people commenting "he's awful" couldn't do any better than him so yknow like leave or something if you don't like it. nobody's forcing you to watch this. get over it.
And, I am back in this video. Reading comments from those people who think Vernon is the worst. Well, everyone his so fine now. Being positive each and everyday is a talent. His rapping skills improved in so many levels, he even got the a rap collab with tobi lou and tiger JK. I'm so proud that even with lots of criticism he shows a strong mentality and do his best. ☺️ I always believed that sometimes you need to hear a criticism to make an improvement. But, as a fan and critics we should know that there's a huge difference in bashing and criticism. Let's be responsible.
[TRANS] 1. Anddup said that he didn't get how Vernon could pass this round with this standard of performance (only SanE's team passed him) 2. And he thinks Vernon is treating the competition too lightly (because previously when the judges asked Vernon why he wanted to join smtm, Vernon mentioned that he joined because he thought it was gonna be fun/interesting & he wanted to increase awareness of his team that was gonna debut soon) ~but seriously I think anddup misunderstood this young boy's intentions and hard work (**nothing about Vernon's race or anything! It was a mistranslation from somewhere random so.. ) Anyway Anddup & Vernon are gonna battle each other on the next round so let's see.. :)
Yo I have no idea why people are saying he was terrible, look I understand he was offbeat But he was trying doesn't that count for something. He was nervous and under pressure he was surrounded by many great rappers It was obvious he was nervous, those nervous maybe couldn't make him think clearly give him a break he tried and was nervous No one in the comments should play it off like you wouldn't get nervous and go off beat when you didn't mean too I mean it was still bad, but he at least tried and didn't give up half way through
And plus he was up there by himself without his members, and he's a better rapper than this If anyone here were in a band and had to perform somewhere by your self wouldn't you be nervous? And not think straight and mess up?
Fobaku HYPE yea but it was rude you all in the comments to say he was bad in the past He tried you guys seem to forget that And seem to forget that he has gotten better
Julideh Fontanez everyone was judging off performance he gave at the time, not how he tried or how he is now, not everyone starts off great even big bang were unkowm for a year or two
because it was expected that pretty face is more important than talent for San E. But I was not expecting Verbal Jint to be like this. This was the worst performance of episode 2 but he passed because of these two judges. And please don't come up with excuses like he is kid, he was tired, he has potential, dragging zico, mino, andup, etc etc. Just be thankful he passed and he has another chance to prove himself.
LOL tbh, I think VJ didn't have a choice...he looked devastated that Vernon passed, I think VJ didn't want a conflict with San E who wanted to pass Vernon, or? I dunno >_
이때는 팀을 알리기 위해서 랩을 잘 못해도 도전했던 프로그램이예요 못하는거 알고도 열심히 성장하려고 이 18살짜리가 용기내서 나왔으면 조언이나 참언을 하는건 좋지만 ㅇㄷ같이 무시나 조롱하는짓은 어른답지 못하는 행동입니다. 그리고 몇년이 지난 지금은 세븐틴의 없어서는 안되는 세븐틴의 막내라인이자 힙합팀의 막내인 멤버입니다 앞으로 더 지켜봐주세요 우리 버논이 이쁘게 봐주세요
When I hear "hajimaAaaaA" I just pee myself. But hey, if Vernon did this bad and now he is the awesome artist that he is, why can't we do too? That shows that we can have some fails but still accomplish our goals! We love you vononie
I just came here everyday...and crying!!! To non carat please stop hate him...you guys don't know how this moment affects his life.Just stop hate him...he not doing anything wrong..he just want to help his group being more famous...what wrong with him just he doing kindness...i love you vernon what ever you have done...you still be my no 1 favaurite person in the world...thanks you for make me smile.you make me want do better in my life and if one day i'm seccessful i will mention your name...thanks you for giving me strength.i love you HANSOL VERNON CHWE
I heard about this and I thought it was going to be way worse. I actually quite liked it. He could have worked on his singing part but it was actually quite nice.
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i come here every single day just to hear "hajimaAa"
HE SOUNDS LIKE HES GOING TO CRY ASDFGHJK
LOL
Same lmao
This is one of the videos that dragged me into the seventeen fandom 😂😆 no regrets
hiphop unit has these type of comments like in checkin 😂😂
guys chill... he's only 17 and he got a few dollars
Shining Diamond ? 😂🔫
Lol
Jen san T_T fighting Vernon
😂😂
Jen san every time I think of this kid...this line comes into my head lmfao
Ok it was pretty bad, but I'll never forget "headlines headlines" I'm sorry but that part was funny
MushiHoshi 😂😂 I love vernon but that shit was too funny
scramdleb I honestly want to say headlines, headlines when I meet him. I'm so mean 😩
the song is from drake, it's called Headlines lmao
I thought it was good actually
MushiHoshi NaEgA HoSh
*can yall believe it's about to be 2 years...and these are still some iconic lines* 😂❤
It's been stuck in my head for so long
3 years now
nataly foUR yeARs
@@nessa6909 fIvE yEaRs
@@yusrabarre7784 sIx YeArS
Awwwww in the end he is just standing there smiling🙂I love Vernon, always has a positive attitude
Love this comment
SaythenameSeventeen he sucks at rap so he had to get fail
댓글러 Rude.
댓글러 bish! Are you a carat?
댓글러 He was just nervous lmao, it's a natural reaction. That's why he didn't do good. He has improved a lot in two years though.
"Headlines, headlines." Never forget
좆소 데뷔해서 이름 좀 알려보겠다고 나왔다가 어린 나이에 욕 ㅈㄴ 처먹었었지
끝나고 팀에 피해준 것 같다고 미안해했고
지금은 유명해져서 사랑 많이 받고 잘 사는 거 보기 좋음
Even Vernon makes fun of this oh my god
you're not supposed to say oh my god
Oh my
rlly? lmao
@@Janeah oh my god.
@@Janeah Oh my God
Oh my Fucking God
At least he was feeling himself Lmaoo. I love VERNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON.
Lmaooo I'm ded
Every time I get sad I think about this and feel better
Shawna Gray OH NY GOIDNESS IM SCREAMING AT THIS COMMENT
i saw u on lolikittys vid
Watch never ever by got7 or I shall end you. SAME
Shawna Gray cause this is funny?
Shawna Gray I were in lolilittys viddd
I feel like his voice tone is good but his rhythm is a bit off? Something that can definitely be fixed. But I'm a bit disappointed that he passed because if any of the other rappers were off beat, they would've been eliminated for sure.
Soobin B he passed because of "HEADLINES HEADLINES...
It's probably cuz he is absolutely gorgeous...smh
honestly yes, I love him but at the end of his rap I was like uhhhh baby you can do better next time
.
Here I am like 3 years later
He has potential. I know vernon but his voice soo much better without it being forced..i love the end
Yass i agree with you😉
Riri Suleiman me too
조재호 Hey fuck down. If you have potential, u indeed could also wipe your own ass. I know vernon, you don't. so just stfu . P-type had the potential but he fucked up obvs you don't seem to know that you smtm reject. How you gonna compare a 17 old predebut Vernon to a rap masternim? gtfo
I'm zoning ouuutt
Riri Suleiman R u expecting me to say smth like "Woah!! So cool u kno Vernon?"? Lmfao hey that gay or whatever relationship u have w him doesnt fuckin matter. Potential doesnt matter in this show fucker. Skill matters and like what u have said Vernon is a predebut and p type is a rap master. Even if p type made mistakes it was better than that of Vernon. Man! The word "bitch" perfectly suits for u!!
조재호 If potential doesn't matter then idk why Vernon went through. You are obviously a great judge so maybe you should apply for SMTM . Oh i forgot? You can't ..if your are that salty about P-type not going through maybe you should just move on you lowlife.
I guess i am a bitch for saying this, but you are not even worth calling anything because you need to focus on your own depressive life.
yeh is vernon
ay
lube
les get it now
lube
hEADLINES hEADLINES
I wanna cry 😂
LUBE FUCK
kajimaaaaaahahahahahahaaaa
sarah schneller lmao I'm crying
BLESS THIS COMMENT IM LAUGHING MY ASS OFF
Whoooooooo vvveeerrrrrnooonnnn I will always love you no mater what
Even if ther are millions of "headlines headlines"
"im zoning out"
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Headlines, Headlines
“yeahh I'm feeling my seeelff”
I'm afraid the judges are letting him pass just for the "show" they can get with him. Other rappers taking him down by his looks/race and idol related stuff is gonna make "news", so more publicity for them. Yeah, if that's the reason, your going too low, MNET, that's just not right. I hope that's not the reason, tho. He has a hella lot of potential, but I wouldn't let him pass this round.
akoyaahime All of the judges failed him except Verbal Jint and San.E's team
rodinagrace20 Yeah, I read~ it could've been their honest decision, but i'm still afraid ;;.
Yea I agree
akoyaahime wther it was their honest decision or not, he has now become an easy target...
akoyaahime 'race'................ No one said anything about his race. It was a mistranslation by someone on titter that everyone got to believe
Lemme start off by saying Vernon is my bias from seventeen but im gonna be honest nonetheless. Up untill the 0:32 mark is was painful. The rap itself wasnt terrible but it didnt match with the beat and sounded really forced.
After that it seemed like he kind of started matching with the beat and the rapping was a little better but still sounded tense.
I get what he was trying to do with the singing parts, adding some melodies but it didnt work... i dont know why maybe because he was nervous but it sounded out of tune.
He definately has potential though so im still rooting for him. I just hope he gets a good coach to help him improve in these areas.
Sounded like he was choking while trying to sing those parts
Tony Lee when did i blame the beat lol i said, amd i quote, "didnt match with the beat" meaning HE didnt match up with it. As in HIS flow was off. Does that make sense? Or do i have to give some more examples?
People with valid points dont need to insult others to get it across.
Tony Lee i get what ur saying but hes already been training for at least 3 years eith his company. Also, the company kpop orientated and since smtm is all about rap and hip hop, it could help him improve a lot quicker and gain experience points. Like all those survival shows
Yeah true. I mean he was probably nervous but then again thats no excuse
Jeonghan said that Seventeen only get around 2-3 hours of sleep, Vernon didn't. Vernon even got an IV to able to do music shows, fanmeetings and participate in the show. Imagine no sleep and no rest. I listened to the mixtapes so I know his style and this isn't it. Of course I want him to show the judges and viewers what he made of on the next round. Vernon fighting!!!!!!!!!
You're so right. His schedule is so hectic, I think it's affecting him, because I've heard him rap. Even Jessi said he's a good rapper, I don't know what the hell happened here but that is not the Vernon I know.
For all of those who say he can't rap please do your research - soundcloud . com/seventeen17-3/seventeen-mixtape-vol8-b-boyb-boymeek-mill-samplingvernon
blacklover1995 if he's getting only 2-3 hrs of sleep maybe he shouldn't be participating on this program that requires a lot of time and energy? it's not even helping his image
nothingpersonalhomie I know what you are saying, but he just want to join for fun and promote Seventeen. Rookies are debuting left and right, he's just trying to get their name out there. The judges chose for him to stay because they see potential in him. SMTM4 is happy as they are getting so much attention thanks to Vernon and other Idols rapper. He get the experience and the show get viewers.
***** I'm glad that Jooheon is doing a great job, everyone cope with stress differently. The judges pass Vernon so he have to stay. Congrats to Joonheon
blacklover1995 Bobby and BI were 18, still trainees and were recording Mix and Match at the same time they participated last year. And their CEO told them they could pack and go home If they weren't succesful. And Bobby won it.
Stop justifying the fact that this was so terrible, If he wasn't good enough he should have kept practicing with his company.
"hajimaAaaAA"
9년이나 됐는데 가끔씩 슬플때 웃음치료사 헫라인맨 보러 온다
guys, it's better not to tell show this to new carats
we must protect our newbies
so _hajiMaaAaa_
kw__che hi i'm a new carat
Too late
Im mew, I found them 5 months agoo *I Searched Vernon* Amd I Got this--
Too bad, I'm already here
Too late man...oh wait I ain’t new OOP
I feel bad for him... I really liked SEVENTEEN's debut and I actually liked his first audition, but this was awful :/
It's okay he's young, he'll get better :)
Soren Sorensen it's not awful?
Moonlightfrida It's awful.
Soren Sorensen YOU DONT DARE HE IS BEAUTIFUL
Soren Sorensen even the first one was terrible too
it's ok i still love you vernon....
mint ♡ OML IT'S A MAYUP
IF YOU HATE ON VERNON, I WILL FIND YOU AND WILL CRUSH YOU.
겨우 고등학생 나이에 데뷔준비하느라 힘들었을텐데 팀 알리겠다고 쇼미까지 나간 마음이 너무 예쁘네. 잘 성장해준 버논이가 멋져ㅎㅎ 지금은 랩도 춤도 최고
중요한건 지금이지 누구나 다 잘 못할때가있는데 그럼에도 나자신에게 남들에게 부끄럽더라도 노력안할지와 당당하기위해 노력해서 성장할지는 본인의 선택이고 지금은 버논이 랩 너무 잘하고있으니 된거아닌가
I feel like i'm the only one who didn't think it was terrible. Yeah it definitely needed work, but I didn't find it awful.
agree
agree
It was off beat bruh..
+Aniqa ♡ the rap itself its not bad, but its awfully off beat...and off beat ruins everything
he's improved so much and has made a name for himself in kpop, get over this already lord
yes , this was horrible .. But why are people still stressed over it ? & still sends him hate for it . lol he has improved so much since this , get over it & stop being butthurt
In my opinion it wasn't even that bad though honestly, yes he was off beat but the rapping wasn't bad & he's improved sm so why do people care
Right I agree .. but i say horrible as in he was the least skilled out of the other contestants
People are just joking
Ziyaa Syair ikr😒
People are mad because they passed him and failed rappers that were a whole lot better than him.
But Jackson is not a rapper, he's just a person who raps.
That is a rapper
A rapper is someone who raps
Im not dissing Jackson, he said this to himself. I love him mwa.
It is a HUGE difference between a rapper and someone who raps. Anyone and I mean ANYONE can get up and say some lyrics but to be a rapper it's different. Jackson (I love that extra boy) is a person who raps people like Suga, Rap Monster, Bobby, B.I, they're rappers.
Chili Pepper lol just watched the vid lol'd soo hard
😂😂😂 That line is iconic. That was the first video I saw with Jackson actually. And his adorableness on the show was what made me look into GOT7. 🤣🤣🤣
He went from this to “take off your mask now, 이제는 해제, now
It's time to dance now.”
I’m so proud of him.
헫라인헫라인 생각나서 1년에 1번씩 들어줘야함
17년부터 6년째 출석중이다
너 나냐? ㄹㅇㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
ㅋㅋㅋ씹
24년 출첵 완료
Honestly everyone who's using his age to make a point has no grounds. There was the other contestant who was a student and he clearly impressed all the judges. Age has nothing to do with it, maybe Vernon is better than what he showed but that isn't an excuse. P-Type was someone everyone thought would pass and he got eliminated because he made 2 mistakes despite his lyrics being really good and the judges knowing he was really good overall.
watzittoya437501 true
true (2)
True bobby won that shit when he was only 18
+RAWAN UYU YOU ARE SO TRUE!!! I LOVE HOW YOU ANSWER THIS
so true
He may not be great but he passed for a good reason. Hansol can do better I believe. San.E and Verbal Jint wanted to see what he'll do next. Giving a chance isn't bad at all when someone is actually really good and got potential.
Nana Hanaá ... you mean it?? honestly, this is not what SMTM4 is about! they judge about the performance you give and not how you could do in the future.. I really don't know why he passed, his performance was weak... but well I guess, they will give an explanation next week
1412SAX55 yeah but this the beginning. You can't pick the best one from the beginning. You gotta see what happens next, cause known of us knows what happens next. Yes I agree his performance is weak but I don't think his rapping was bad , even though some parts were okay. San.E and VJ made him pass for his rap or they need to explain why he passed.... I honestly think that he did better with his first round.
Plus SMTM4 judgers doesn't judge about the performance you give... They judge at how good you are and the underground fans are the ones that judge about the performances.
Nana Hanaá well, that's my bad english then... my bad. With performance I meant that what they show the judges (including his rapping skills and whatever) Maybe he should have used another beat, but he sounded weak..
Also, it is like this, if you mess up, you're out. why should P-Type go? He was out cuz he fogot his lyrics. If he wouldn't have messed it up, he would have been able to go to the next round for sure. He has the potential too..
1412SAX55 awwww okay got ya now. Yeah I think he should have.
Yeah but to be honest I have no idea what the judgers thinks sometimes. B.I got a chance last year.. I'm not sure if they'll give chances for forgetting lyrics
Nana Hanaá
nothing against his rap skills, I haven't really heard him yet and I already ready comments saying that he couldn't show everthin he's got. That's fine cuz I know last year there were many who couldn't pass even the 1st round (like Black Nut, lol, but he's fun xD ) or this time Kasper, I do listen to her but well yeah she didn't do well..
And I don't think they'll do that again. They did that last year cuz they had so many who did badly in the 1:1 and they wanted to kick out both but had to deside who isn't as worse as the other one.. so they let the others (not all, only those who they thought who are good) try to come back.. but that was only cuz they had battles with both doing good..
hope this doesn't happen this time tho xD
wow, mnet's editing really is evil. when i watched the broadcasted version, it was so cringeworthy, but this full version isn't half as bad as the broadcasted one... wow mnet...
KyuhyunDonghae To me, this is worse tho :p
I couldn't agree more.
Zico and the others literally said that vernon was bad. What editing?
KyuhyunDonghae I agree wtf am stunned it changed so much I was getting a mental breakdown on how bad it was when the episode was airing here it doesn't sound that bad SRSLY WTF MNET
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You know what? I'm so incredibly proud of him. Because of all of the feedback he got on this, he took the time to work even harder to where he is today and he's improved so much. And that's what people love him for.
me being a black person that grew up around hip hop and r&b, this rap wasn't that bad don't exaggerate it. he apologized for it and his rap has greatly improved. he even got his own mixtape tho so who's the real winner here? *slowly sips*
OMG SAME
Bushra Parveen Rap came from black culture lmao it's what most black people listen too. If you haven't listened to rap a day in your life you don't know shit about it. But he was young at the time and I can admit, it was stupid of him to go on there and promote himself and his group. But shit happens, at the end of the day he was eliminated.
Chanyeol The Elf shut up bitch rap and hip hop comes from black culture so it has everything to do with what she said.
Same
chittaphon leechaiyapornkul yeah I’m sorry, I just reread what I wrote and I don’t understand my reasoning, my bad. I wrote this two years ago and don’t remember writing it💀I agree with you dw
i hope i understand what he's saying, bcs rap not only about the vibe but lyrics is also matter. and dont forget that he's only 17 years old omg dont look down on him already. anyway good luck vernon!
Ghina Wijaya being 17 is not an excuse in hip hop..
Sterben isshoman well i mean here is since he's only 17 he can improving his skill more and more. its still too early to judge him.
Ghina Wijaya that's why they shouldnt have let him passed. because he is young, he will learn more from a failure than from an easy road. that's one huge way for him to improve.
raya masaki i got what you're trying to say, but why must complain so much when he get a chance in this? maybe the judge sees any potential in him and well he just passed, not become a winner already so why must be so mad about it?
Ghina Wijaya
im not complaining because i want to see a another smtm drama where he's involved. i want to see him face an utter humiliation on one on one battle with other rappers. im stocking popcorn to see that happens.
겨우 고등학생인 나이에 데뷔하느라 힘들았을텐데 팀 알리고싶어서 쇼미까지 나갔는데 욕만 먹어서 고둥학생이란 나이에 형들한테 미안하고 죄송한 마음까지 생기게 했다니… 이렇게 멋있고 잘 성장해준 한솔이가 대견하면서 찡하다…💗💎
ANNOUNCEMENT!! CARATS.
S.coups told to a staff to not remind vernon about this because
s.coups noticed vernon was very sad when the show finished then a fan in a concert was raising a very big tarpaulin raising the the show logo then s.coups saw vernon a little bit tearing up i hope the fan felt soooooo bad about her fault.
(edit):please never let vernon remember this again
버논의 흑역사이자 쇼미의 최대 의문점
이거듣고도 잘하는지 못하는지 구분못하는거보면 전 귀가 없는듯..ㅠㅠ
@@답답하게말하다가끊는 그런듯해여
@@답답하게말하다가끊는 10초 때부터 그냥 진짜 ㅋㅋㅋ 끄고싶었움
존나못함
시비거는거 아니고 랩을 1도 몰라서 그러는데요 랩 잘한다 못한다를 어떻게 나누나요?
여러 사정으로 제 실력 충분히 못 발휘한 걸 감안해도 이때 실력이 많이 부족했던 건 부정할 수 없음.. 그리고 팀 알리러 나왔다는 말이 래퍼들한테 불쾌하게 들렸을 수도 있다는 것도 인정함 버논이가 무슨 마음으로 그랬을지는 너무 잘 알지만 힙합밖에 모르는 사람들한테는 알 바 아니니까.. 근데 버논이는 단 한 번도 랩에 진심이 아니었던 적이 없음. 항상 열심히 했고 지금은 이 때랑은 비교도 안 되게 잘함 아이돌치고 잘하는게 아니라 그냥 래퍼들이랑 비교해도 잘하는데 대중들이 이걸로만 기억한다는 게 너무 안타까움..
아직도 비웃음거리로 남는게 너무 속상하네요... 지금은 잘하는데
참고로...이거...버논이 데뷔하고 2개월?만에 나간거임...
I honestly don't think it was god-awful. It definitely wasn't up to par with a lot of the rappers out now, but we've got to keep in mind that he was 17 and just starting out. Now, the singing shouldn't have been added. That's what kinda killed it for me.
And, also, at the end of the video it was clear that Vernon knew he didn't do well. So, the unnecessary comments can stop.
I literally just type "Vernon Hajima"
💀💀
SAME NNSJNZ
ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
I typed "Headlines headlines"
Litterly same 🤣
뉴챔프 이야기 듣고 보니까 멘탈이 오히려 대단해 보이네...
ㅇㅈ 븅2ㅡ신마냥 뒤지게못함ㅋㅋㅋㅋ 지도 맨날 저거보면서 이불킥할듯 ㄹㅇ 얼마나 쪽팔릴까 ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
lmao vernon is one of my ult biases and i know he's improved but this always makes me laugh so much
Yes it was bad but Andup....
Edit: it was a minstraslation he didn't said "this is just for koreans" he said "smtm is only tv rap show in Korea"
Have nothing sexier than Vernon saying: "HEADLIINEEES HEADLIINEES"
Luis gerardo avila maybe... ¬u¬
Now he's got more money than everyone who ever dissed him.
저때 버논 욕 했던 입장에서 말 하자면, 버논은 너무 순진했고, 저때 쇼미는 너무 잔인했음
please play this at my funeral
Will do
😂😂
It's OK Vernon... It's OK to fall down and learn to pick yourself up... You will be a better man... Hwaiting!!
THE AMOUNT OF IMPROVEMENT.. EVERYTHING IS EO WEIRD COUNTING THAT THEY ARE ONE OF THE BIGGEST GROUP NOW.
im so confused, this isnt as bad as what i was expecting considering all the hate he got for it.... i mean it's not exactly that good or anything but i dont consider it horrible (apart from the attempted singing parts tbh). but maybe it's cos everyone else was better cos i havent watched the other performances or anything
***** a lot of people think he was really bad, but i feel a lot more are just agreeing without independent thought. like obviously this wasn't good (and yeah... those singing parts... no thank you) but it wasn't the worst rap ever.
it was, however, probably the worst that made it through - there were people who did better who were eliminated which is why it's caused such a commotion. if he hadn't made it through it would've just been laughed off.
***** I love hansol so so much
but this was horrible tbh
his lyrics were sorta bad...
***** a lot of the hate come from his look and from being a idol. The second one is a "sure you will be hated" on SMTM.
+Lase O I literally busted a gut laughing when he started singing 'i'm feeling myself....'
0:45 ~ 0:57 이 부분은 좋다
ㅇㅈ 세븐틴 좋아하지만 다른부분은 엄..
딕션이 구려서 뭐라하는지 몰겠고 헐떡이는데..아이고 한솔아 ㅠㅠ
언제들어도 충격적인 랩이다
Marco Dalht rok ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
1:03 you're welcome
I understand that some of you guys are saying he wasn't good, but seriously?? Rap is judged by flow, delivery and lyrics and most of y'all are coming to a conclusion based soley on flow and delivery. Do you even _understand_ what Vernon is saying? I, myself can barely judge cuz I sadly don't know what he is saying. Also, this is not me denying the fact that he needs improvement, lol people this is only the second episode, just like the contestants in previous SMTM seasons, they weren't all 100% in the beginning. And I know a lot of people are saying that San E passed him cuz he pitied him (or idek), but if you watched the first episode San E told Vernon something along the lines of "I would feel bad if I didnt pass you." Take this however you want, but I took it as him saying that Vernon is still not at the *omfg* factor yet but it would be a shame if he didnt pass him.
He's good with create lyrics whoever he still in the young age. I think he's the magnae in smtm4.
He didnt deliver anything. He was all bragged about how pretty he is and bouta flex on you ninja cuz i aint give a fuck. His lyric, pronounciation, stressing, breath and the tone were all off but yet he passed lol
Tony Lee tbh when I saw him performing for this round I thought he would fail cuz this was definitely not his best stage. but from seeing his other raps, I know that he has talent. judging from this one video wouldnt do justice to anything, lol just cuz Ptype stuttered in his performance would you say that he, ultimately as a rapper, has horrible flow/delivery? nah that wouldnt count cuz its only one video of him showcasing his rapping. Khairunnisa Nabila ure right, he's only 17 and he's only got a few dollas (sorry for that reference lmao.) also, i agree, Vernon is good at making lyrics, just hope that the judges dig his style lol. :3 Ever Greatest Vernon is pretty loll, and I dont deny that a lot of people think that. and maybe he was hyped up in your eyes, but to the judges preferences (San E and Verbal Jint), they couldve seen something that they liked about Vernon. nobody rly knows Verbal Jint's preference lmao, but as for San E, he said he tries to look for story-telling in raps cuz he finds it intriguing. other than that Vernon _does_ need improvement and practice, but writing him off rn as a bad rapper wouldnt be fair.
lavishly veiled oh and here I thought it involved keeping up with the beat and good lyrics... oh I am so stupid... this is actually just about how gangsta you look, how cool and swag you are... And it seems it also involves destroying the base and beat.
And just so you know the episode was translated and you can watch it on dailymotion, so yes, I know what he's rapping.
Eli blue well isnt keeping up with the beat considered as flow/delivery? also, as I mentioned above, lyrics is (of course) something the judges critique lol. and im not too sure what you meant by "this is actually just about how gangsta you look, how cool and swag you are...", are you trying to say that the judges critque based off of that and destorying the beat??
btw ive watched the subbed episode already and the meaning of his rap wasnt as bad as his delivery. i mean no offense by that, I love Vernon lol but things werent really in his favour.
as he said his debut was the week ahead, and not only that but he already had a lot of pressure on him for (a) being an idol rapper, and (b) being one of, if not _the_ youngest rapper on SMTM4.
also, this might have been something only I noticed, but I feel like the clips that showed the other contestants scoffing at his performance really influenced the way other people saw it lol. :3
This is the reason why I thought Vernon's just another pretty face and so is his group. I used to see him as an arrogant and talentless individual who only rose into fame because of his looks. But I was so wrong. This may have been a big failure but I learned that he and other SEVENTEEN members are actually very talented. Aside from that, he also has a nice personality. I was so wrong to judge him harshly and it really made me smile when he told his co-members how sorry he is for being "greedy" (his words) and dragging the group into infamy. It's a good thing that SEVENTEEN and their fans have such a pleasant personality and continued supporting him, all the while pointing out the things he still has to improve. And what's even better is that Vernon learned a lot from this and continued working harder. This audition is bad and cringey, but he is improving; and that's what matters.
Thanks you❤
Eff Sanchez
He also did this show,along with their debut,he was getting no sleep at all,even Jeonghan stated that he was worried about Vernon,getting no rest,he even stated that Vernon had to go to the hospital to get iv fluids during this time
You had me in the first half ngl! I thought you were only going to bash him and the group. 😅
It's my first time watching this and i'm just happy how he's improved a lot and has become the idol rapper he is now.
And here i am in 2024 just realising this videos is pure gold cuz we can defintely saw his growth and how he overcame failure and now every idol respect him and svt
6년뒤인 지금 이친구는 아이돌 AR 부셔버리는 라이브 아이돌래퍼로 성장되었다!!! 고진감래!!☆
I'm laughing 😂wtf is this and I thought his first round was bad. But he just proved my ass wrong lmao San E I love you but sweetie are you deaf?
Also some yall fangirls need stop with the "He's got potential" shit A lot of people with more potential than him got eliminated. Wtf they seriously need to stop passing him because of he's "looks" he ain't even all tbh.
That "aaaah I'm feeling my self" killed me 😂 he's just your typical idol. He should leave it that way instead of trying to be something he's not & embarrassing himself
well he is just new, he did a good job anyways, there should be a reason if why he passed, not just for "looks"
***** please, Jooheon is new as well they debuted around the same time. That excuse is invalid. He just isn't a good rapper.
Fleur L Jooheon is really good^^ but don't forget the fact that he has like more experience in stage like this bcz of No Mercy. i guess Hansol can do better.. I see you are a bit biased cuz you like Monsta X but i will not say anything bcz i like them too.. I like seventeen too but i am more into Monsta X.. I hope i can see Hansol doing it better. I know he can do it.. This was mehh
Except for the missing of beats, he did great. For those who still hate him, wait a while, he will shine soon like a shining diamond
He is shining like a big diamond right now. Thank you for trusting him❤
Now he's a popular kpop idol, rapper and model. SO PROUD OF YOU VERNON
And hes KOMCA cridited with woozi
this is strangely adorable
he was only seventeen and got a few dollars lol. he didn't go further why so mad??
I feel bad for Vernon. he could do much better if he actually had the time. I mean 17 are doing so many promotions since they've debuted a month ago. they've been on plenty of radio shows, fan meetings, and music shows. jeonghan had said that 17 gets about 2-3 hours of sleep, but Vernon has been very nervous that he doesn't sleep at all. he even needed an iv drip. I feel bad for him since he has so many things to do while doing other things as a group, 17. but anyways I hope Vernon can actually prove the haters wrong, but he needs rest. :c
kry We can't really use that excuse can we, especially since Jooheon was in the same situation and had a great performance.
triggertheoriegroupy of course jooheon would be more confident since he was always praised in the program that monsta x has been through, so he always had complimented himself whereas hansol was a trainee for like 2 years?where of course he's very nervous and young, he's 17 and jooheon is what 20? just 3 years older which isn't much of a difference, but jooheon has more expiernce, especially when he was an underground rapper. ive been kept updated of what monsta x has been doing, and 17 has been doing a bit more than monsta x. nervousness can destroy a person in a matter of seconds, but I know Vernon is a good rapper, but tiredness and nervousness took a part of him.
kry It's not about confidence, the fact stands that Hansol showed a very disappointing performance that both the judges and contestants picked up on. Yang Hongwon is 16 and his performance was great, so inexperience and age are not justifiable factors and undeniably it comes down to skill and talent. However, alike Jooheon I give Hansol some slack because they both struggled with other arts before pursuing rap, Jooheon with backup dancing and Hansol with singing. I've followed seventeen for years and Hansol's song Mia is still my favourite seventeen tv song, but, based on this performance alone, in comparison with Minjae, Kidoh, P Type and Yano who failed, he did not deserve to pass.
triggertheoriegroupy to bring out great lyrics and practice on your flow takes time. and its time that hansol doesn't have. if you have confidence you end up doing better...if you don't you end up bringing a terrible performance. hongwon has time to do more things... I mean he doesn't have to focus on group promotions and everything, where hansol has more things to handle. yano and kidoh were also my favorites, of course it's a shame, but we cant do anything but just see how everything will unfold and see who will leave and who will continue. I actually thought vernons rap was okay until he decided to sing which made him sound like a toad lol, but I just hope he can do better, and have rest and time to practice so he can prove to the people who looked down to him that he's not just a pretty faced idol, but that he truly has talent that they should recognize.
He could use those lyrics that he had written during his trainee years.. If he had talented in rapping, I'm sure using the old lyrics are fine.. Alot of the rappers on this show recycled their verse from their songs to use in this competition.. and what taking time your talking abouy? Lol i thought this cutie pie has been training under a company
THIS IS THE PROOF THAT VERNON IMPROVED SO MUCH. I LOVE HIS RAP NOW IN EVERY SEVENTEEN SONGS. :) its better to see the failure and now the improvement. he's #trained well now.
I love Hansol (Vernon) but this wasn't as good as i thought it was gonna be. But cut him some slack, he's been through alot and he's still a rookie in what he does.
I hate how people still don't like vernon to this day because of this. like sure maybe it wasn't the best but it also wasn't the worst. he's an amazing person and he's gotten a lot better now that he's with seventeen, okay? it's just disgusting how people still send him hate over this when it was so long ago and that he's improved so much. honestly, I bet half of the people commenting "he's awful" couldn't do any better than him so yknow like leave or something if you don't like it. nobody's forcing you to watch this. get over it.
와... 진짜 버논이 몇년동안 진짜 잘성장했다..... 지금 버논이 욕하시는 분들은 요즘영상 꼭 봐주시면 좋겠어요 ㅠㅠ 강요는 아니니까 보시면 정말 놀라실거에요!!!
this video make me happy,because now we can see how much Vernon grow and learned more about rap.
How is possible that he don't pass?
This rap have grammar and body, i feel it! The rap is not about how fast rap 😱❤️
this has to be in some try not to cringe challenge bc i can't
He’s improved so much from this omg
And, I am back in this video. Reading comments from those people who think Vernon is the worst. Well, everyone his so fine now. Being positive each and everyday is a talent. His rapping skills improved in so many levels, he even got the a rap collab with tobi lou and tiger JK.
I'm so proud that even with lots of criticism he shows a strong mentality and do his best. ☺️ I always believed that sometimes you need to hear a criticism to make an improvement. But, as a fan and critics we should know that there's a huge difference in bashing and criticism. Let's be responsible.
Vernon has improved so much ever since he joined SEVENTEEN
[TRANS] 1. Anddup said that he didn't get how Vernon could pass this round with this standard of performance (only SanE's team passed him)
2. And he thinks Vernon is treating the competition too lightly (because previously when the judges asked Vernon why he wanted to join smtm, Vernon mentioned that he joined because he thought it was gonna be fun/interesting & he wanted to increase awareness of his team that was gonna debut soon) ~but seriously I think anddup misunderstood this young boy's intentions and hard work
(**nothing about Vernon's race or anything! It was a mistranslation from somewhere random so.. )
Anyway Anddup & Vernon are gonna battle each other on the next round so let's see.. :)
우리 버논이 어린 나이에 욕만 먹었는데.. 이제 나가면 될거 같은데 쇼미더머니에 쓸 시간이 없네..
돈은 벌만큼 벌었으니
자기증명 욕구 있을수도
저 흑역사도 지우고 싶고
Yo I have no idea why people are saying he was terrible, look I understand he was offbeat
But he was trying doesn't that count for something.
He was nervous and under pressure he was surrounded by many great rappers
It was obvious he was nervous, those nervous maybe couldn't make him think clearly
give him a break he tried and was nervous
No one in the comments should play it off like you wouldn't get nervous and go off beat when you didn't mean too
I mean it was still bad, but he at least tried and didn't give up half way through
And plus he was up there by himself without his members, and he's a better rapper than this
If anyone here were in a band and had to perform somewhere by your self wouldn't you be nervous? And not think straight and mess up?
Julideh Fontanez if you watched the rap battle phase you'd know he 's is pretty bad.
Fobaku HYPE yea but it was rude you all in the comments to say he was bad in the past
He tried you guys seem to forget that
And seem to forget that he has gotten better
Julideh Fontanez everyone was judging off performance he gave at the time, not how he tried or how he is now, not everyone starts off great even big bang were unkowm for a year or two
Fobaku HYPE I know that's what I was trying to say
To me it seemed like everyone expected Vernon to be awesome from start to finish
살다가 한번씩 생각나는랩ㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋㅋ
*_3 years later and I'm still here_*
Compared to a lot of the people they failed, he should not have passed.
i think so... dont get me wrong hes my bias in seventeen but wow this performance was. simply. bad.
Disappointed with Verbal Jint more than San E.
praava rai why?
because it was expected that pretty face is more important than talent for San E. But I was not expecting Verbal Jint to be like this. This was the worst performance of episode 2 but he passed because of these two judges. And please don't come up with excuses like he is kid, he was tired, he has potential, dragging zico, mino, andup, etc etc. Just be thankful he passed and he has another chance to prove himself.
praava rai
i don't know, I can't really say how VJ judges xD and no i'm not going to^^, I only pulled the same face as all the others^^
LOL tbh, I think VJ didn't have a choice...he looked devastated that Vernon passed, I think VJ didn't want a conflict with San E who wanted to pass Vernon, or? I dunno >_
praava rai lol i don't think vj even wants to be there, he looks so zoned out 99% of the time.
이건 주기적으로 들으러 와줘야됨ㅋㅋㅋ 졷같은데 중독성있음
i don't get what's wrong with this, it's better than anything i could ever do💀💀
yea but hes a professional rapper and he went on a show to show off his rap. comparing yourself with him is pointless lol
hE WAS NERVOUS AF OK
HE IS SO TALENTED U GUYS HAVE NO IDEA ma babeeee
YES VERNON
Id rather have vernon fail than see the hate K-netz will give him :( But Vernon is good But he didn't do good here I think its because he was nervous
Yi Bolt Agreee!! K netizens sometimes are scary.. His a good rapper but his verse here was a soso for me too..
Hoshikai Svt from next weeks preview he rapped his Mixtape so we gotta deal with the hate until next week I feel sorry for Vernon
Really?? He used his mixtape?? omg i'm more scared now...
This is going to be in one of his dark pasts
I GET SO STRESSED WHEN I WATCH THIS
Vernon you improved so much I’m so proud🥺🫂
이때는 팀을 알리기 위해서 랩을 잘 못해도 도전했던 프로그램이예요
못하는거 알고도 열심히 성장하려고 이 18살짜리가 용기내서 나왔으면 조언이나 참언을 하는건 좋지만 ㅇㄷ같이 무시나 조롱하는짓은 어른답지 못하는 행동입니다.
그리고 몇년이 지난 지금은 세븐틴의 없어서는 안되는 세븐틴의 막내라인이자
힙합팀의 막내인 멤버입니다
앞으로 더 지켜봐주세요
우리 버논이 이쁘게 봐주세요
그저 엄
엄 ㅋㅋ
아무리 팬이어도 이건 못하는겁니다
이게 잘하는거면 최엘비 랩 듣고 오세요
아이돌중에서만 잘하지 래퍼치곤....
@@user-YJH0526 이 분은 잘한다고 한 적 없는데요 죄송한데 한솔이가 실력 부족 했던 건 맞는데 님이 댓글단 거 보면 한솔이 팬 맞나 싶어요
헐 버논 쇼미도 나왔었구나ㄷㄷ 열심히 살았네
When I hear "hajimaAaaaA" I just pee myself. But hey, if Vernon did this bad and now he is the awesome artist that he is, why can't we do too? That shows that we can have some fails but still accomplish our goals! We love you vononie
When Vernon looks depressed on a variety show its cause he's thinking of this moment
Im glad vernon passed bc although his rap wasn't satisfying, he has amazing potential and abilities and I think that's why SanE passed him
1:03 That's one smooth ''HajimaaAAAaa''
Just want to say I'm very proud of Vernon, he's improved so much since headlines headlines!!
I just came here everyday...and crying!!! To non carat please stop hate him...you guys don't know how this moment affects his life.Just stop hate him...he not doing anything wrong..he just want to help his group being more famous...what wrong with him just he doing kindness...i love you vernon what ever you have done...you still be my no 1 favaurite person in the world...thanks you for make me smile.you make me want do better in my life and if one day i'm seccessful i will mention your name...thanks you for giving me strength.i love you HANSOL VERNON CHWE
I heard about this and I thought it was going to be way worse. I actually quite liked it. He could have worked on his singing part but it was actually quite nice.