28:40 if Tetris Effect Connected ranked mode counts, your fear just became reality. This Tetris version does not have a game standard board size and it seems to lock pieces like Classic Tetris, so in that way it might take some adjusting at first. Unless it has issues with reading inputs, at that speed that amount of misdrops is inexcusable though and I will judge you for it for eternity, as you feared. Also extremely poor piece placement, though that can be a strategy to score quicker higher up the board, with such a glacial dropspeed.
I will add some things as a tetrio player: it seemingly doesn't use the usual seven bag randomization which is odd; it seems to lack a hold piece feature; & the colours of the tetrminos are random which is cursed.
@@average-neco-arc-enjoyer only the random tetromino colours are off to me, the rest is normal in classic Tetris rules, which these clones often use. Ofc. there's way more depth to the modern rules, with super-rotation, lock delay and hold. But this is more a fun add-on to a 1,44MB OS, so the simpler implementation makes sense.
That's the most amazing OS I have ever seen! For fitting on a floppy, i expected it to look like DOS. I did not expect fully functioning GUI with icons and color. Simply amazing.
Well back in the day, the Amiga OS was on a floppy and Atari later brought out newer versions of GEM which were released on a floppy. The original Mac OS was on a floppy too. You would be surprised what was possible in the past.
This OS goes to show how bloated operating systems have gotten in the past 20 years, and especially since windows vista. Of course, there's not much you can do with this cause of the custom kernal, but still.
It's not just the operating systems in themselves, but also the amount of different drivers, driver stacks, and the layers of abstraction required to support 238979823498235234 different hardware combinations really add up. There's a severe lack of standardization and unification in computing. That, and of course the calculation under capitalism is that developer time is more expensive that computing resources, so there is mostly little incentive to be efficient.
Well, this OS is literally assembly language if I don't remember wrong. Cuts down the amount of instructions to the *absolute* minimum required, but it's somewhat difficult to be productive when programming for something like that... I believe that you can run it in a VM though, so there's that...
@@Luredreier It is, yeah - 32-bit x86 FASM, IIRC. I haven't written enough assembly, let alone ancient i386-era assembly, to have a strong, informed opinion on how brutal it really is. But for what it's worth, assemblers like FASM, NASM, etc, are "macro assemblers", meaning you can effectively create reusable libraries, "functions", etc. And in the case of things like OS kernels, while C is common, you generally don't get the typical "ease" of C, C++, Rust, or whatever you're writing it in; you're going to be writing straight C [or insert language here] without any sort of standard library features, since those are all things that are generally implemented on top of the kernel -- which means you're going to be in for similar levels of brutal wheel-reinventing and extreme low-level development until you've got enough of the system implemented. While doing it all in assembly is still super hardcore, I could imagine an experienced person reaching relatively close to C levels of productivity, especially given that FASM in particular has surprisingly decent tooling and libraries available -- even purpose-built fully-fledged IDEs fresh.flatassembler.net/index.cgi?page=content/1_screenshots.txt I think the bigger "issues" are: - A. Lack of general mindshare; "popular" non-Linux operating systems, like the BSDs, already have a much smaller pool of users and developers available. - B. Lack of people familiar enough with x86 assembly to contribute - C. Being tied to particular platform; again, while macro assemblers make code re-use much easier (and therefore porting easier too), you're still writing assembly for a particular ISA, tying you to a particular architecture or subset of said architecture -- running something like Kolibri on anything that doesn't natively do 32-bit x86, or at least support some form of odd-ball x86 hardware-level translation, like Elbrus or Transmeta, requires significant porting or some sort of software-level x86 translation layer (e.g., something similar to QEMU, Box86, Blink, Rosetta). Also worth noting, while the majority of Kolibri is in assembly, there is nothing stopping you from writing a libc to make use of non-assembly programs when necessary, which is exactly what it appears they've done for a few bits and pieces -- e.g., the browser is a port of NetSurf, a tiny C browser. Similarly, I could imagine binary translation being viable; since Linux doesn't have any sort of "official" libc, the kernel syscalls tend to be very stable, making it a great lingua-franca for when applications are either distributed as proprietary Linux binaries or rely on loads of OS-specific code paths. Several daily-use-ready operating systems, like Illumos, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Windows (WSL1), and previously, OpenBSD, all have/had varying support for running unmodified Linux binaries using this approach. A number of hobbyist OS kernels do it as well. Fiwix is about ~30k sloc in total of pretty much pure C89, making it tiny and easy to compile, yet provides convincing-enough support for 32-bit x86 Linux ABI that it has been really useful for me in terms of producing verifiable builds; I currently bootstrap from a couple hundred *bytes* of hand-written, verifiable hex on "baremetal" to a modern Linux kernel + GCC/LLVM thanks to its simplicity and support for Linux binaries. And as a more real-world example: Prior to Joyent being acquired by Samsung and then eventually shutting down, they ran a large public cloud (think: AWS, GCP, Azure) based on SmartOS, their own own derived from Illumos (OpenSolaris). While they offered proper Linux virtual machines on top of bhyve/kvm for those who truly needed/wanted them, Joyent also ran a successful container-based service. With VMs, you've got overhead from all of the hardware virtualization, plus the overhead of running another Kernel, plus the millions of lines of extra code ripe for security vulnerabilities, but you also typically end up with either the physical server being under-utilized due to giving each and every VM truly dedicated resources [when the majority of the time, applications are not going to be maxing out memory nor pegging all cores], or you end up with poor performance due to the opposite problem - overcomitting/overselling resources, starving VMs for CPU/IO/whatever. So, containers made a ton of sense; why virtualize an entire machine, run multiple kernels, and so on, when you can just isolate applications and give the host kernel full transparency over resource allocation, thread scheduling, etc? In the Linux world, Docker and similar were new, and the way they were built was very different from the approaches taken by FreeBSD and Illumos/Solaris -- Linux essentially provided some primitive APIs you *could* possibly use to sandbox things, and then Docker was built on top of that, whereas Jails and Zones were built from the ground up as containizeration solutions. Because of that, and probably a variety of other reasons, container escapes were (are?) rampant, and so you commonly find people running Docker *on top of VMs*, essentially defeating the point. However, again, Joyent ran Illumos, not Linux; Solaris had Zones since ~2005 and they were pretty battle-tested at this point. Joyent had the competitive advantage of actually being able to run containers on multi-tenant hosts without it being a major security risk. But... again... Illumos, not Linux; it's a hard sell trying to convince your customers to port all their software to Illumos/Solaris when A. maybe they can't, B. it may cost a lot, and C. they'd be risking vendor lock-in. Joyent's solution was to just write a convincing Linux syscall translation layer -- almost something like Wine. But unlike Wine, the surface area of Linux kernel syscalls is a lot smaller than what needs to be done for Windows translation. So, [while still painful] this was actually super feasible and worked out great for them -- you could upload unmodified "Linux" Docker images and they'd transparently be converted to Illumos LX-Branded Zones with you, as the customer, being [hopefully] none the wiser.
oh my god i haven't seen kolibrios in years. i guess if there was anyone who would cover some obscure, small-ass, from-the-ground-up operating system it would be you though, so this all checks out. great as always.
Actually, those "orthodox file managers" are clones of Norton Commander (1986) not of Midnight Commander (1994) that was also a clone of NC. The third one is FAR Manager and is available for Windows, Linux, OSX and Unix and is made by the one who made RAR.
@@andreasklindt7144I tend to use gui on Linux because I'm not the most software savvy, but I always gotta get Midnight Commander because it always seems to save my ass when nothing else can...
For some additional context, a 3.1MP JPG image taken from one of Canon's first DSLRs (circa late year 2000) clocks in between 700kb and 1.7Mb (depending on color variety/exposure), meaning that many of those images from almost 23 years ago are still larger than this entire functional operating system. These images don't even take up half of a 4k display's real estate when viewed at 100%. Before you say that "JPG is compressed", this OS is heavily reliant on compression to fit into the space it does, too. RAW files from the same camera (Canon D30) are usually around 3Mb.
I had a rough day at work today, and I'm so glad that I had started watching this video before work and finished watching it after work. A real good palate cleanser at the absolute least. In seriousness though... mmmph, good vid!
I remember the QNX demo disk in the late 90s. POSIX, full graphical user interface, graphical text editor, TCP/IP networking, web browser and web server that all fit on a bootable floppy. Wild times.
QNX was amazing. I have tried a relatively small CD version but also came across the floppy one you mentioned. I also liked the similarly built linux distro called muLinux, which, however, formatted 1.44 floppies as 1.7 mb floppies (don't ask me how it did that, but it did). It had graphics, games and even a web and mail server built in.
@@tziuriky86 Microsoft used to distribute stuff in the same format: "Distribution Media Format." In addition to larger cluster sizes letting them shrink the file table, there were some other tricks. Pretty cool stuff.
I seem to vaguely remember also some kind of compressed FAT filesystem thing too... I think there was an option on Win95 to compress the filesystem and something like that was available on floppies too@@Insightfill
i like how i have never shown interest in people who most likely put :3 at the end of every sentence on youtube, yet youtube just showed me this channel and im about to binge most of the channel, and great video btw :3
A compiler usually implies the use of a mid or higher-level language and convert into processor binary. Assemblers convert processor instructions into processor binary. Compiled programs usually pull in precompiled subroutines or DLLs to add to code the programmer wrote, making them noticeably larger.
4 months snoopie?? i've been coming back to this channel every month for new videos and im starving for your videos, please come back, i need my favorite tech tuber back
The most amazing thing is that you didn't have a compatible sound or network card. Take a random ISA sound card from the second half of the 1990s and chances are it will be SB16 compatible and work with just about any OS. And the two most common decent PCI network cards of that period were probably the 3Com 3C905 and Intel Pro/100. And the Realtek 8139 was super common in cheap cards for ages, now replaced by the Gigabit-capable 8169. I'm having a harder time finding a PCI network card online that's _not_ compatible.
OS on a floppy? In 2020's! That's unheard of. Amiga OS did something very similar in 80-90's on DD disk (880Kb) without packing files. QNX did this in 2000's and you had browser on fully multitasking OS. Still. Keep up the good work Kolibri! Small is beautiful.
I’d like to see someone get the last version of x86 Mac Pro Desktop with a terabyte of RAM and terabytes of SSD storage, and then see how many virtualbox instances of KolibriOS you can run simultaneously on one modern machine.
@@bitsculptor clickbait thumbnails are quite common these days, I understand the struggle of keeping the algorithm happy just wish that authors would add a comment acknowledging what they did so that people wouldn't lose their minds over these gimmicks, adding the comment shouldn't hurt them since they already got the click
lol, I thought from the thumbnail you may have been talking about DOS 6.21 with the no-hard drive installation option, where it essentially lets you use DOS with a single 3.5 in. floppy. It's a solid option if you have an era-appropriate machine with a dysfunctional or absent hard drive / hdd controller.
You're the only person whose contwnt i love so much i watch it without speeding it up Please do awesome stupud crap more frequently Honestly, i would've thrown money at you if i could, the stupid payment system won't let me :(. I promise to do so as soon as i get out of that hellhole of a country
@@Gold171 more like "my free time is too valuable to waste it on watching something at regular speed, but i'm still interested enough to invest some amount of time into the vid". That's how i feel about most content. But sometimes there are things that are eorth the full 40 minutes or however long they take. Even though i'm so used to 2x or sometimes even 3x, that regular human speech feels weird now
Is there any compression with this system at all? Because I find it slightly hard to believe that you could pull off a GUI with a decent selection of fairly functional applications in just 1.44MB. The desktop wallpaper looks good enough that I'd imagine it would be 1.44MB it's self. Also you are absolutely adorable and earn a subscribe because of that :3
A gui can be created by a bunch of geometrical functions that draw such shapes, you don't really need chunky graphical libraries and classes that contain graphical objects to display anything like that like we do nowadays with high level programming: it's all programmed in assembly so it is fairly possible.It's likely that the biggest file in the whole thing is the wallpaper 😁😁 I've tried the predecessor of this OS already 20 years ago (Menuet OS) and it's always been like this. I used to make stuff in BASIC as a kid and weighted nothing. If you look into yesteryear programming and formats you'll find amazing stuff. Like the HAM format which allowed me to make videos with VHS quality weighting maybe 500KB for Amiga computers. About 5 years ago I even made a website with such files, that could be downloaded on Amiga computers (late 80's / early 90's): my Amiga 1200, for example, had only a 14 mhz CPU, 2 megs of ram and up to 4096 colours graphics. Equipped with a network card and a browser, I could access my own website and download such video files directly, that would literally start IMMEDIATELY with no delay when clicked or run through command line, as the image frames and sound bits were thrown directly onto the hardware without any special processing or decoding. While the quality is nothing compared to nowadays formats and tech, it was amazing to see the snappiness of such system (the OS just boots in 1 second in there, and has software that was used in the 80's to make Sci-fi movies....). Imagine videos with audio and all, just a few KB's, so they'd also fit floppies if you'd wish so 😁😁 Essential and minimalist computing is possible and is fun.
My problem is that I am too old. The first company I worked for had what they claimed was the largest privately owned computer in western Europe. It had three processing units and filled a massive barn of a room. I was told that its operating system was so big that it needed a whole megabyte to run it! How times change.
One might say DOS counts, but DOS notoriously required users to swap disks to load any program that isn't a part of the minimal amount of files and commands built in. As somebody born right around the time Windows switched to NT, I'm not fond of DOS, so I poke fun of its name. I always say it's called Disk OS because you need loads of disks to actually use it, not because it fits on a disk.
Ngl I'd love to use this to just play tetris on an old system without a bunch of bs, have some audio playback from a cd drive and not worry about old drives or installing stuff. Glad I came back across this old OS and thank you for showing me what it absolutely can do with a lil love.
If you think about it, it's more insane that lazy programming and quick profit is making us use bloated stuff that consumes a lot more power = electricity and waste more time than it should. If nowadays computers were equipped with OS's and software programmed like this, they'd be flying fast like spaceships!
Brings back memories. I remember downloading FDD friendly Linux distros and writing them to floppies with Rawrite. Actually one of my first exposure to Linux, aside of Knoppix.
Menuet OS is where its at, i was introduced to it in a computer science class in the year 2k. Its amazing what's on a single floppy....doom yes, internet, yes...and more. AND Who remembers Arachne ...I got it compressed and used a virtual ram program to boot bare min msdos with mouse, emm386, smartdrv dos ppp and network support....etc, then pkunzip arachne to 2 or 4 mb ram disk, whatever it was.
Kolibri is a re-built / derivative of Menuet OS, but yeah I remember it well. I do not remember Arachne, but I do remember muLinux, a graphical Linux distro with X server, games and web / mail server on over-compressed floppies (they'd turn 1.44 into 1.7 mb floppies with some special utility and filesystem). But if you look at other architecture, Amiga's Kickstart did basically the same thing, the basic OS with GUI just fit a 720Kb floppy. (I love this stuff, I still play with an Amiga 1200 from 1992 which can connect to the web and play videos using its native HAM format which is kinda VHS quality and hyper-fast / snappy loading as it requires no processing).
28:40 if Tetris Effect Connected ranked mode counts, your fear just became reality.
This Tetris version does not have a game standard board size and it seems to lock pieces like Classic Tetris, so in that way it might take some adjusting at first.
Unless it has issues with reading inputs, at that speed that amount of misdrops is inexcusable though and I will judge you for it for eternity, as you feared.
Also extremely poor piece placement, though that can be a strategy to score quicker higher up the board, with such a glacial dropspeed.
aaaa ;-;
No wonder KolibriOS is so fast and small, it's written completely in x86 assembly code.
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I will add some things as a tetrio player: it seemingly doesn't use the usual seven bag randomization which is odd; it seems to lack a hold piece feature; & the colours of the tetrminos are random which is cursed.
@@average-neco-arc-enjoyer only the random tetromino colours are off to me, the rest is normal in classic Tetris rules, which these clones often use.
Ofc. there's way more depth to the modern rules, with super-rotation, lock delay and hold.
But this is more a fun add-on to a 1,44MB OS, so the simpler implementation makes sense.
Cannot wait to rewatch this 25 times in next two weeks. Thanks for video
It's written 100% in assembly... which means porting to another CPU architecture will be... not easy.
Why would you want to port it?
@@lukealadeen7836because ARM64 and RISC-V would be nice
isn't this written in fasm tho ? i feel like it wouldnt be impossible to port to arm
That explains everything actually. All my assembly projects were super unstable, probably helps to know what you're doing though 😂
Chatgpt from 2040 can do it easy!
I can't stop laughing about the boiling hard drive. Very creative work on your videos my friend.
The thumbnail "It's so small!" is probably not what you wanna hear in bed from a partner. ha-ha
JFC I died from laughter when I saw that. Not into the whole catboy thing, but hey, good content is good content.
@@CyroTheSpiderI think he's trans, not just a catboy
@@solidnywonsz Yeah, I think she came out in one of the videos later, this video was almost like a year ago at this point.
absolutely fucking incredible. this is how I found your channel and I don't think I could've asked for a better introduction
Same. Really refreshing and different to the norm style commenting. Love it
That's the most amazing OS I have ever seen! For fitting on a floppy, i expected it to look like DOS. I did not expect fully functioning GUI with icons and color. Simply amazing.
You should look up AmigaOS then, that fit on a DD diskette (half of the HD this one uses). :P
@snotspat Ahhh, C= Commodore Amiga. Those were the days. 1.3, 2.0.
Just what I was thinking. My A1000 booted from a single floppy.
Well back in the day, the Amiga OS was on a floppy and Atari later brought out newer versions of GEM which were released on a floppy. The original Mac OS was on a floppy too. You would be surprised what was possible in the past.
@@cliffhulcoopofficial8075 not surprised at all. Got my first amiga in 1988.
This OS goes to show how bloated operating systems have gotten in the past 20 years, and especially since windows vista. Of course, there's not much you can do with this cause of the custom kernal, but still.
It's not just the operating systems in themselves, but also the amount of different drivers, driver stacks, and the layers of abstraction required to support 238979823498235234 different hardware combinations really add up. There's a severe lack of standardization and unification in computing. That, and of course the calculation under capitalism is that developer time is more expensive that computing resources, so there is mostly little incentive to be efficient.
Well, this OS is literally assembly language if I don't remember wrong.
Cuts down the amount of instructions to the *absolute* minimum required, but it's somewhat difficult to be productive when programming for something like that...
I believe that you can run it in a VM though, so there's that...
Win 11 со всеми обновлениями может весить 50 ГБ. Это просто дичь какая-то.
@@redtex но линукс все еще может быть очень худым (разные дистро конечно могут и дофига занимать)
@@Luredreier It is, yeah - 32-bit x86 FASM, IIRC.
I haven't written enough assembly, let alone ancient i386-era assembly, to have a strong, informed opinion on how brutal it really is. But for what it's worth, assemblers like FASM, NASM, etc, are "macro assemblers", meaning you can effectively create reusable libraries, "functions", etc.
And in the case of things like OS kernels, while C is common, you generally don't get the typical "ease" of C, C++, Rust, or whatever you're writing it in; you're going to be writing straight C [or insert language here] without any sort of standard library features, since those are all things that are generally implemented on top of the kernel -- which means you're going to be in for similar levels of brutal wheel-reinventing and extreme low-level development until you've got enough of the system implemented.
While doing it all in assembly is still super hardcore, I could imagine an experienced person reaching relatively close to C levels of productivity, especially given that FASM in particular has surprisingly decent tooling and libraries available -- even purpose-built fully-fledged IDEs fresh.flatassembler.net/index.cgi?page=content/1_screenshots.txt
I think the bigger "issues" are:
- A. Lack of general mindshare; "popular" non-Linux operating systems, like the BSDs, already have a much smaller pool of users and developers available.
- B. Lack of people familiar enough with x86 assembly to contribute
- C. Being tied to particular platform; again, while macro assemblers make code re-use much easier (and therefore porting easier too), you're still writing assembly for a particular ISA, tying you to a particular architecture or subset of said architecture -- running something like Kolibri on anything that doesn't natively do 32-bit x86, or at least support some form of odd-ball x86 hardware-level translation, like Elbrus or Transmeta, requires significant porting or some sort of software-level x86 translation layer (e.g., something similar to QEMU, Box86, Blink, Rosetta).
Also worth noting, while the majority of Kolibri is in assembly, there is nothing stopping you from writing a libc to make use of non-assembly programs when necessary, which is exactly what it appears they've done for a few bits and pieces -- e.g., the browser is a port of NetSurf, a tiny C browser.
Similarly, I could imagine binary translation being viable; since Linux doesn't have any sort of "official" libc, the kernel syscalls tend to be very stable, making it a great lingua-franca for when applications are either distributed as proprietary Linux binaries or rely on loads of OS-specific code paths.
Several daily-use-ready operating systems, like Illumos, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Windows (WSL1), and previously, OpenBSD, all have/had varying support for running unmodified Linux binaries using this approach.
A number of hobbyist OS kernels do it as well. Fiwix is about ~30k sloc in total of pretty much pure C89, making it tiny and easy to compile, yet provides convincing-enough support for 32-bit x86 Linux ABI that it has been really useful for me in terms of producing verifiable builds; I currently bootstrap from a couple hundred *bytes* of hand-written, verifiable hex on "baremetal" to a modern Linux kernel + GCC/LLVM thanks to its simplicity and support for Linux binaries.
And as a more real-world example:
Prior to Joyent being acquired by Samsung and then eventually shutting down, they ran a large public cloud (think: AWS, GCP, Azure) based on SmartOS, their own own derived from Illumos (OpenSolaris).
While they offered proper Linux virtual machines on top of bhyve/kvm for those who truly needed/wanted them, Joyent also ran a successful container-based service.
With VMs, you've got overhead from all of the hardware virtualization, plus the overhead of running another Kernel, plus the millions of lines of extra code ripe for security vulnerabilities, but you also typically end up with either the physical server being under-utilized due to giving each and every VM truly dedicated resources [when the majority of the time, applications are not going to be maxing out memory nor pegging all cores], or you end up with poor performance due to the opposite problem - overcomitting/overselling resources, starving VMs for CPU/IO/whatever.
So, containers made a ton of sense; why virtualize an entire machine, run multiple kernels, and so on, when you can just isolate applications and give the host kernel full transparency over resource allocation, thread scheduling, etc?
In the Linux world, Docker and similar were new, and the way they were built was very different from the approaches taken by FreeBSD and Illumos/Solaris -- Linux essentially provided some primitive APIs you *could* possibly use to sandbox things, and then Docker was built on top of that, whereas Jails and Zones were built from the ground up as containizeration solutions. Because of that, and probably a variety of other reasons, container escapes were (are?) rampant, and so you commonly find people running Docker *on top of VMs*, essentially defeating the point.
However, again, Joyent ran Illumos, not Linux; Solaris had Zones since ~2005 and they were pretty battle-tested at this point. Joyent had the competitive advantage of actually being able to run containers on multi-tenant hosts without it being a major security risk. But... again... Illumos, not Linux; it's a hard sell trying to convince your customers to port all their software to Illumos/Solaris when A. maybe they can't, B. it may cost a lot, and C. they'd be risking vendor lock-in.
Joyent's solution was to just write a convincing Linux syscall translation layer -- almost something like Wine. But unlike Wine, the surface area of Linux kernel syscalls is a lot smaller than what needs to be done for Windows translation. So, [while still painful] this was actually super feasible and worked out great for them -- you could upload unmodified "Linux" Docker images and they'd transparently be converted to Illumos LX-Branded Zones with you, as the customer, being [hopefully] none the wiser.
seeing e621 in what i thought was a normal tech video was JARRING
i guess youre a man of culture
6:44
"No, back, back, back! meow :3"
god i fucking love this channel
NO BACK BACK BACK *meow*
meow :3
meow :3
mrow! :3
Also 14:11 Holy f K , it's upside down 😂
oh my god i haven't seen kolibrios in years. i guess if there was anyone who would cover some obscure, small-ass, from-the-ground-up operating system it would be you though, so this all checks out. great as always.
Or Michael MJD, who I jokingly refer to as Druaga1 minus weed. Still convinced they're the same person.
Actually, those "orthodox file managers" are clones of Norton Commander (1986) not of Midnight Commander (1994) that was also a clone of NC. The third one is FAR Manager and is available for Windows, Linux, OSX and Unix and is made by the one who made RAR.
Midnight Commander is still around, developed and maintained. I use the current version 4.8.30 on Linux every day.
DOS Navigator was (and still is) my absolute favorite.
@@worroSfOretsevraH In my dos days, I remember giving up of NC in favor of DN. I think it was version 1.5 and it was better in many ways than NC.
@@andreasklindt7144 I use MC on my slackware laptop, even under KDE. I find it more comfortable and easy to use than Dolphin or any explorer like FM.
@@andreasklindt7144I tend to use gui on Linux because I'm not the most software savvy, but I always gotta get Midnight Commander because it always seems to save my ass when nothing else can...
Again, I really like how she makes such an obscure OS like Kolibri become an teeny cutie operating system.
What? It's a dude, don't be offensive
@@seemasse-more6333 meow :3
@@seemasse-more6333not according to her website
lmao@@seemasse-more6333
@@seemasse-more6333 I mean, they look like a trans girl, sound like a trans girl, and act like a trans girl...
My favorite part was when you meowed at the task bar
MEOW!
meow :3
For some additional context, a 3.1MP JPG image taken from one of Canon's first DSLRs (circa late year 2000) clocks in between 700kb and 1.7Mb (depending on color variety/exposure), meaning that many of those images from almost 23 years ago are still larger than this entire functional operating system. These images don't even take up half of a 4k display's real estate when viewed at 100%.
Before you say that "JPG is compressed", this OS is heavily reliant on compression to fit into the space it does, too. RAW files from the same camera (Canon D30) are usually around 3Mb.
The distro for OS-9 (a multi-user preemptive multitasking OS) was two 150kb floppies. 1.44 Mb is not that small.
seems still actively used and upgraded for other cpu ...
I thought BEOS was cool at 44 meg download
I thought Mac OS stopped supporting floppy boot by that point
@@charliekahn4205 Not Mac OS9, OS-9
I would also note that Mac OS9 is neither multi-user nor does it have preemptive multitasking.
lol. But does it have a GUI tho?
Early versions of GEOS fit on a single 5.25 inch floppy disk, 170KB a side.
And me with a 5.25” drive and diskettes still...
I’ve been having a rough few days, however your videos never fail to make me laugh, thank you so much for what you do Snoopie 💕
She more or less is who I wanted to be during college, a cute femme tech nerd with chill vibes. I'm only half of those sadly.
@@SockyNoob never too late :3
I had a rough day at work today, and I'm so glad that I had started watching this video before work and finished watching it after work. A real good palate cleanser at the absolute least. In seriousness though... mmmph, good vid!
I remember the QNX demo disk in the late 90s. POSIX, full graphical user interface, graphical text editor, TCP/IP networking, web browser and web server that all fit on a bootable floppy. Wild times.
Came here to find this. Yup the QNX demo was sweet.
QNX was amazing. I have tried a relatively small CD version but also came across the floppy one you mentioned. I also liked the similarly built linux distro called muLinux, which, however, formatted 1.44 floppies as 1.7 mb floppies (don't ask me how it did that, but it did). It had graphics, games and even a web and mail server built in.
@@tziuriky86 Microsoft used to distribute stuff in the same format: "Distribution Media Format." In addition to larger cluster sizes letting them shrink the file table, there were some other tricks. Pretty cool stuff.
I seem to vaguely remember also some kind of compressed FAT filesystem thing too... I think there was an option on Win95 to compress the filesystem and something like that was available on floppies too@@Insightfill
i like how i have never shown interest in people who most likely put :3 at the end of every sentence on youtube, yet youtube just showed me this channel and im about to binge most of the channel, and great video btw :3
A compiler usually implies the use of a mid or higher-level language and convert into processor binary. Assemblers convert processor instructions into processor binary. Compiled programs usually pull in precompiled subroutines or DLLs to add to code the programmer wrote, making them noticeably larger.
Using the xp fall wallpaper in a video makes you officially an obscure niche internet celebrity
4 months snoopie?? i've been coming back to this channel every month for new videos and im starving for your videos, please come back, i need my favorite tech tuber back
Underrated channel, deserves more
meow :3
you are all of my favorite tech youtubers thrown into one omg
I love the humor and general vibe of this channel! Just a minute into this video I subbed, keep up the great work.
The most amazing thing is that you didn't have a compatible sound or network card. Take a random ISA sound card from the second half of the 1990s and chances are it will be SB16 compatible and work with just about any OS. And the two most common decent PCI network cards of that period were probably the 3Com 3C905 and Intel Pro/100. And the Realtek 8139 was super common in cheap cards for ages, now replaced by the Gigabit-capable 8169. I'm having a harder time finding a PCI network card online that's _not_ compatible.
Hewwo snoop :3 you're awesome and i hope you're doing well at the new place :3
Windows also has 2 text editors. Notepad for plain text and Wordpad for rich text.
Been binging the hell out of your videos recently, you def need to come back! Much love dude hope everything with the move is going well.
I remember running QNX from a three inch floppy disk in the early 00's. The system was also loaded into RAM.
Full gui, qnx was like magic
@@RichardFraser-y9t Yes it was! 😉
Yeah, every time i see stuff like this the reaction is "Oh, someone 'innovated' what QNX-Demo did in 1999".
Now try the QNX floppy disk demo!
The swears make you sound like an eighth grader but the OS is cool
OS on a floppy? In 2020's! That's unheard of. Amiga OS did something very similar in 80-90's on DD disk (880Kb) without packing files. QNX did this in 2000's and you had browser on fully multitasking OS. Still. Keep up the good work Kolibri! Small is beautiful.
Why is it surprising? Yes MSDOS can fit in a 2.5mb floppy disk... We called it the "boot disk"
The innuendo in the thumbnail was quite something. Very amazing video!
Saw the boiled hard drive and heard the phrase “taquito summoning circle” and knew I had to sub.
Are you okay? Is a new video gonna come out soon? We miss you!
And here i thought it was Puppy Linux when i saw the community post. Because i dont read.
i always have a smile whenever you upload! glad you uploaded! :3
the editing is so good :3
i wonder if he edits the videos himself or someone else does it :)
I’d like to see someone get the last version of x86 Mac Pro Desktop with a terabyte of RAM and terabytes of SSD storage, and then see how many virtualbox instances of KolibriOS you can run simultaneously on one modern machine.
You stuck that diskette in the wrong way around, dude!
I'm SCREAMING at your thumbnail for this video! The floppy is BACKWARDS!!!!
I was surprised how far down I had to scroll to find this comment. The backwards floppy was the only reason I clicked on the video. 😂
@@bitsculptor clickbait thumbnails are quite common these days, I understand the struggle of keeping the algorithm happy just wish that authors would add a comment acknowledging what they did so that people wouldn't lose their minds over these gimmicks, adding the comment shouldn't hurt them since they already got the click
I forgot this operating system was so small! It's that assembly based OS I tried out for a bit a few years ago.
Everything should be assembly.
another banger 🔥🔥🔥
lol, I thought from the thumbnail you may have been talking about DOS 6.21 with the no-hard drive installation option, where it essentially lets you use DOS with a single 3.5 in. floppy. It's a solid option if you have an era-appropriate machine with a dysfunctional or absent hard drive / hdd controller.
Getting any OS on a floppy is impressive.
So is getting a whole ass floppy into a camera. 😂
You're the only person whose contwnt i love so much i watch it without speeding it up
Please do awesome stupud crap more frequently
Honestly, i would've thrown money at you if i could, the stupid payment system won't let me :(. I promise to do so as soon as i get out of that hellhole of a country
If I don't want to watch someone's stuff I just don't watch it. Speeding it up is weird... I never use it.
@@MrBearyMcBearface That is the state of people's attention span in this day and age.
@@Gold171 more like "my free time is too valuable to waste it on watching something at regular speed, but i'm still interested enough to invest some amount of time into the vid".
That's how i feel about most content.
But sometimes there are things that are eorth the full 40 minutes or however long they take.
Even though i'm so used to 2x or sometimes even 3x, that regular human speech feels weird now
Is there any compression with this system at all? Because I find it slightly hard to believe that you could pull off a GUI with a decent selection of fairly functional applications in just 1.44MB. The desktop wallpaper looks good enough that I'd imagine it would be 1.44MB it's self.
Also you are absolutely adorable and earn a subscribe because of that :3
A gui can be created by a bunch of geometrical functions that draw such shapes, you don't really need chunky graphical libraries and classes that contain graphical objects to display anything like that like we do nowadays with high level programming: it's all programmed in assembly so it is fairly possible.It's likely that the biggest file in the whole thing is the wallpaper 😁😁 I've tried the predecessor of this OS already 20 years ago (Menuet OS) and it's always been like this. I used to make stuff in BASIC as a kid and weighted nothing. If you look into yesteryear programming and formats you'll find amazing stuff. Like the HAM format which allowed me to make videos with VHS quality weighting maybe 500KB for Amiga computers. About 5 years ago I even made a website with such files, that could be downloaded on Amiga computers (late 80's / early 90's): my Amiga 1200, for example, had only a 14 mhz CPU, 2 megs of ram and up to 4096 colours graphics. Equipped with a network card and a browser, I could access my own website and download such video files directly, that would literally start IMMEDIATELY with no delay when clicked or run through command line, as the image frames and sound bits were thrown directly onto the hardware without any special processing or decoding. While the quality is nothing compared to nowadays formats and tech, it was amazing to see the snappiness of such system (the OS just boots in 1 second in there, and has software that was used in the 80's to make Sci-fi movies....). Imagine videos with audio and all, just a few KB's, so they'd also fit floppies if you'd wish so 😁😁 Essential and minimalist computing is possible and is fun.
PS: Smash the fash 😎😎 always!
" a stock installation of Windows is 27 GBs, and Linux isn't much better at 500 MBs.."
Isn't much better? That's 54x smaller 😭😭
wrjbg we git big stiràge
My problem is that I am too old. The first company I worked for had what they claimed was the largest privately owned computer in western Europe. It had three processing units and filled a massive barn of a room. I was told that its operating system was so big that it needed a whole megabyte to run it! How times change.
The Druaga references were superb! The video was great as always! Hopefully things will be better for you.
An even more fascinating fact is that the whole thing including all programs are written in assembly by hands. What f
this is the most interesting review of KolibriOS I've ever seen so far...
"why do you need multiple text editors" programmers who only use their darling vim or nano, but can't handle using their second option
boiling hard drive was the best introduction to this channel i couldve ever gotten thank you
One might say DOS counts, but DOS notoriously required users to swap disks to load any program that isn't a part of the minimal amount of files and commands built in. As somebody born right around the time Windows switched to NT, I'm not fond of DOS, so I poke fun of its name. I always say it's called Disk OS because you need loads of disks to actually use it, not because it fits on a disk.
It's called the Disk Operating System because it operates your disk drive
The thumbnail image doesn’t inspire a lot of confidence; the 3-1/2” floppy is inserted wrong. 😢
So I've found this channel today, and now I'm gonna be up until 6am meowing and in tights
Never underestimate what can be done with the floppy disk!
Never underestimate what can be done with good programming...
"oh and the operating system just FUCKING booted" --- Subscribed.
Ngl I'd love to use this to just play tetris on an old system without a bunch of bs, have some audio playback from a cd drive and not worry about old drives or installing stuff. Glad I came back across this old OS and thank you for showing me what it absolutely can do with a lil love.
Why is the floppy disk backwards in your video thumbnail? Funny content though, just found your channel!
been finding so many great tech/old software and hardware channels lately. definitely subbed!
I hope you're doing well. You make entertaining videos, and I can see there's only been one upload after this video.
HOLY bingle, litterally new fav channel :#
Keep posting bangers!
the correct method to play tetris is to clear lines by filling them all the way in, hope this helps~
oh my god
@@WindowsG >:3
amazingly impressive :0
The taquitoes legacy lives on….
Btw good stuff, love your content!!
Thank you RUclips for recommending me this. I love it so much. ^^
Catboy computer guy, of course ! Perfection ! (Nya~)
this is really, really awesome!!
I actually did a fucking spit-take when the GUI popped up, how the hell??? amazing stuff. I just assumed that it was just gonna be a command line.
See you in hopefully not nearly as long….
Uploaded 6 months ago.
Lol
well, in my defense i did say hopefully
@@WindowsG haha, for sure! No worries friend, the randomness is kinda part of the charm
The most amazing thing is that the floppy drive can read the disk when inserted backwards 🙃
I like the way you constructed the fake problem with real elements,
As soon as you said "a certain website" I knew it was going to be e6. I haven't even watched any of your videos and I just knew.
I remember the QNX demo floppy years ago. Still the same level of impressed with this!
never seen such a great tetris player before!
Ohmygod this is the first video of yours I've seen, and am loving your channel! :D Already subscribed.
You should try and find the QNX one disk drmo.
Soo fun to watch! Thank you for a nice video about this super-amazing OS! 🙂
remember to stay safe and it's okay to take your time!
I loooove the video style!!!
Waiting for the next one 👀
Glad to see that the file manager does really support showing thumbnail
the fact that an OS this small exists, and then it has a GUI is just insane
If you think about it, it's more insane that lazy programming and quick profit is making us use bloated stuff that consumes a lot more power = electricity and waste more time than it should. If nowadays computers were equipped with OS's and software programmed like this, they'd be flying fast like spaceships!
@@tziuriky86 ... and you would not need to buy new hardware everytime a microsoft developer sneezes
Finally, someone who talks my language and actually KNOWS what they're talking about.
Literally my new favorite channel.
A whole operating system on a floppy drive? How cool! 😊
I was not expecting a GUI! Startled me.
YES i wanna watch you struggle with numbers! xD
Came here to rage about backward-insert-floppy thumbnail unfairly triggering me.. staying and subscribing because this is great.
The most impressive thing to me is that you got it to work with the floppy diskette in backwards. (thumbnail photo) 😆
Never heard of this, definitely messing with it when I get the chance to :3 Has a nice little GUI and everything!
a friend of mine brought me here, i think i have a new favorite channel
Brings back memories. I remember downloading FDD friendly Linux distros and writing them to floppies with Rawrite. Actually one of my first exposure to Linux, aside of Knoppix.
I have a weird ptsd attack with this episode as I was watching it on my phone while stealing someone else's french fries
thank you for making me feel good about my tetris skills!
Trackball Users Are Master Race! Greetings from my ProtoArc EM03!
YESSSSSS NEW VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!
Menuet OS is where its at, i was introduced to it in a computer science class in the year 2k. Its amazing what's on a single floppy....doom yes, internet, yes...and more. AND Who remembers Arachne ...I got it compressed and used a virtual ram program to boot bare min msdos with mouse, emm386, smartdrv dos ppp and network support....etc, then pkunzip arachne to 2 or 4 mb ram disk, whatever it was.
Kolibri is a re-built / derivative of Menuet OS, but yeah I remember it well. I do not remember Arachne, but I do remember muLinux, a graphical Linux distro with X server, games and web / mail server on over-compressed floppies (they'd turn 1.44 into 1.7 mb floppies with some special utility and filesystem). But if you look at other architecture, Amiga's Kickstart did basically the same thing, the basic OS with GUI just fit a 720Kb floppy. (I love this stuff, I still play with an Amiga 1200 from 1992 which can connect to the web and play videos using its native HAM format which is kinda VHS quality and hyper-fast / snappy loading as it requires no processing).