This just makes me appreciate his art even more. It truly feels like he's a character from an old british fairy tale book with illustrations. Love all the love that they gave my boi Mothman.
@@TitoVladez115 she is the butterfly winged fairy who helped us againts morgan initially, but after we defeat morgan and erect knocknarea as her successor, she assasinated knocknarea and blame the assasination to us chaldean, which kickstart destruction of britain LB.
That's why I would have preferred for Pretenders to do more damage to Knight classes and do less damage to Calvary class rather than them be obliterated by Calvary classes... but it is what it is. I'm just happy that Foreigners finally have something else that they can obliterate that is specifically for them, I mean technically they don't get hit hard by Zerks but that used to be it. Also definitely happy that Alter Ego has an official class counter now instead of just throw a Zerker at it or bring a Knight class servant and do your best to outdamage.
Is the logic of them is like 'foreigner' beat 'berserker'? Pretender: the one who can change his own personality with losing who he is. Alter Ego: the one who brought to existence because of change in personality.
FGO had already introduced Foreigner, and debateably Beast depending on whether you count that as a Servant class or not. Shielder and MoonCancer were both technically introduced previously but FGO officially canonized the former and upgraded the latter to Servant class.
And not only that, but you can even argue that, unless otherwise stated, that this “new class” really is more of a reinterpretation of Case Files’ Faker, in which case Pretender isn’t really new, it’s just been reformed from Faker to a similar equivalent. But anyways, if anything at least this mean when Case Files gets it’s rerun, there’s a high chance we’ll see Hephaestion.
FGO is the cashcow of type-moon, Nasu had to retire half of the dead apostle ancestors just because of the powercreep. When any 5 stars divine spirit can throw celestial bodies around Acr and Crimson Moon look kind of cute in comparison with a walking blackhole that is U-Olga that Thanos the planet before it even manifesting. Even then FGO is the route where the manifest destiny of the Age of Will manifest at its strongest as humans like Kiara, Berly and Wodine achieve power that surpass the old gods and the Planet's Order.
The power of Tosshiyuki Toyonaga. My favorite character he played is Mikado Ryuugamine. His voice changed fantastically as Mikado's mental state regress and regress in pursue of his extraordinary in DRRR. He's awesome.
@@pranavshinde4472Like fairies that sabotaged creating excalibur couldn’t get back to Avalon anymore right So that is kinda related to Marlin’s NP line
I like how if you got the correct choices and chose the options in red, you get different voice lines from Oberon when he uses his NP, saying "I don't have ANYTHING to tell you anymore"
@@Furigou Throughout the story, there were some dialogue options with Oberon that we can't skip (literally, the skip button disappeared)......after that, some players saw these special conversation at this last act with Oberon where us as Fujimaru can choose a normal white line (more innocent reply) and a red one (with way serious tone and implying a cold Fujimaru that was suspicious about Oberon all along) It seems that whenever we were having dialogue that were not skip-able, as long as we choose the option that showed suspicions towards Oberon, we get to see these special red dialogue in this last act. Also, now adding with what romand271 said, its would seems DW is starting to experiment with dialogues influenced scenario.....interesting......
It's also raised some concern among players, whether are we still Fujimaru or are we actually related/controlled/replaced by Outer Gods or even the Alien God.
@@taztai1506 oh, i see, thank you! It's definitely a possibility, after all, there's a traitor on the Border and all the clues pointing to Holmes might be red herrings. This makes me wonder if DW will implement multiple story paths, like in a normal VN, i don't know how the would handle it, though, with the linear progression of the game and all.
@@zaregoto6022 I mean, we also find out Oberon was faking being Merlin in Castoria's Life as well I believe, which would make sense in how Merlin didn't know Oberon was a thing.
Wry Rhyme Goodfellow is the NP of Dreams, and Lie Like Vortigern is the NP of Nightmares. Also, I'm super happy with the job Umino-sensei did with Oberon's art throughout this. Can't wait to see if she illustrates more characters in Fate or in any other games.
@@yna1nna That'll be a nightmare for me as F2P player. I've been so far without whaling and using any servant I have. But God, if there's any MochiJun's designed character, I'll go mad and obsess over it.
Fun fact:While Rhy Rhyme Good fellow is the Np that's make one fall in dream,Lie like Vortigen marks the end of the dream as if it doesn't exist anymore,just like the play A Midsummer's Night dream.
Rhy Rhyme Good fellow is an Np that starts a dream,a fairy tale a never before seen experience it starts the dream,in contrast to Oberon being in his first ascension being that of a butterfly Butterflies Mark the beginning of a day but in contrast of a dream which starts a never welcomed fantasy it puts u into sleep and starts the dream with the Morning Lark. And Lie Like Vortigen Is a noble phantasm that marks the end of the dream It is Oberon's greatest feat as he writes the fantasy,he makes u experience.and as every journey is supposed to end,he reveals the curtains on this tragedy of a dream by him himself coming on the stage to bring the end as the Robin goodfellow with his noble phantasm that devours the twilight,aka the fantasy world as a "Dragon"in literature Dragons are creatures that harbinger Chaos and mark the end the fun fact about this one is that it's shape less like a Dragon and more like a Dragonfly which personifies change and self realization as Vortigen realises his purposes.well to be honest even I don't know why? this all I am saying is probably...all a lie....
Fun fact: The boss's +2 Charge skill can be used even if him using it would cause him to NP instantly, unlike other bosses who normally won't use their charge skill. His normal Charge skill instead takes that position. So yeah worst case scenario, it's possible for him to spam his NP.
boss using charge skill then instantly use NP in the same turn has been in the game since forever though lol. I remember Gilgamesh could do that since launch
@@corvusjia9275 Something that should be kept in mind: With the later story and event fights, the AI is programmed to have a chance of using skills if they haven't acted that turn. Oberon breaks that rule since his AI is more complicated and...yeah he can just use the +2 charge one instead (His +1 charge follows the rule)
THE AMOGUS CLASS IS NOW CANON You know... With the introduction of this new class... I'm not surprised that they really did intend to make FGO live longer than expected
A lot of sub-classes that exist in Fate Lore have yet to be introduced into Grand Order, though I have a feeling that once they start work on another Fate/ Game, there is a chance they will re-brand a lot of characters class-wise.
This is gonna give me trust issues. Now I'm gonna be thinking every new ally from the chapter going forward are sus, and that they could quite possibly be a Pretender. They just turned this into "Fate/Among Us".
@@snailthelostcow63 I still think that, but least it makes sense in context. Something did not feel right with Oberon compared to the other characters, yet I didn' understand it at first.
@@bernkastelfrederica5952 I already know that we are not on the same page. Do you want me to explain my comment or ....? Your pick. Edit, well either way: ruclips.net/video/Ky2vm9ZBgzc/видео.html That should explain it.
@@bernkastelfrederica5952 Nah, the wings look like those of a dragonfly and they probably are since a dragonfly is a good midpoint between Oberon's insect/moth motif and Vortigern's dragon motif, in other words, the dragonfly would kinda work as a shot out to GoA...
Mothman became edgy and evil. I like it. The intro is also a great introduction to the Pretender Class. Also, that NP is both creepy and awesome. Reminds me of Dark Souls for some reason. Saving everything for him next week. Man, once these LB6 Banners come to NA, I am fucked, beacuse I want ALL of them!
@@hunterkun2918 If from what I've heard, it's supposed to be the alternate to Alter Ego (Strong against Saber/Lancer/Archer, weak to Assassin/Rider/Caster). Don't know if it has any other class advantages/disadvantages.
They're reusing Hollow Ataraxia tracks again. I love it. Between this, Grand Carnival, Tsukihime Remake, and Melty Blood, it's a good day to be an old TM fan.
I'm interested to see if he reverts to become more Vortigern-like as he ascends, like the Fairy Knights, or if this is his final ascension. Edit: because grammar
In Garden of Avalon Gawain describes Vortigern wearing dark armor, which you can kinda see hints of in Oberon's arms and legs. Considering GoA is also written by Nasu, I'm sure he kept it in mind, and is kind of what I'm hoping for, considering how much talk there was of Saber Alter resembling Vortigern.
I thought this was his last ascension like how Abigails is all dark compared to her first. I figured his 1st is the one used in the story a lot, second was the one all dressed in white where he looks very princely(used a few times in story) and this was the 3rd.
Finally, we have the flipside to the Alter Ego class. Now they just need to add two or three more Pretenders to flesh things out and balance will finally be achieved.
On a lighter side of the spectrum I wonder if someone like Patroclus would qualify seeing as his major claim to fame was pretending to be Achilles and essentially triggering the continuation of the trojan war with his death in doing so. I honestly cant wait to learn more about this class!
@@samh659 hapharstion is a faker class though. Pale rider is a pretender? Pretender: discard your self be it humanity or personality and be reborn. Alter egos: beings born from new persona Faker: counterfeit servants( haphasdon is iskand's counterfeit)
If we become able to summon goetia in the future, there is a very real chance that he Will be pretender class. He had pretended to be someone else(Solomon) and even hidden his true class as caster. The class affinity isn't even that far off his beast class one, being Strong against the knight classes and weak against cavalry.
Can’t believe I missed this. I’ve been seeing all the comparisons to the Faker class and even some people throwing out a potential Pretender Kingu, but this is actually the most viable possibility for a summonable Pretender servant. From what I’ve read, Pretender doesn’t just mean someone with a false identity. It also apparently requires the servant in question to have opposed Pan-Human History and the human order in the past, which Vortigern apparently did. Of the characters I’ve seen thrown around as potential Pretenders, only Kingu counts for that end, but I doubt DW would use him because he’d just be Enkidu with a different class. Goetia hits all the notes for lore and gameplay.
@@TheBlaze22b p sure I've heard aeriality during a cutscene, but it was seeing someone else playing it so I'll double check for myself later just in case lol
@@marcell_forchannel3985 Speaking of, what happened to Muryan and Aurora? Did they die? And if so, how? *(cause I really want to know, specially Aurora's case)*
Admit it, we knew from the beginning that He's the bad guy. That first (or second?) LB trailler shows ominous fairy-looking being. And his smile is so smug that it reeks of evilness...
@@masamoon1887 Well first LB6 Trailer which Muramasa made appearance by cleaving hill one. There's a fae with butterfly/moth wing sitting like a boss and a black ominous shadow below it. When it was revealed to be Oberon, that's it. "He's surely the bad guy"
Makes you wonder, if the Holmes we truly formed a bond with died in Scandinavia by Sigurd. Only for “Holmes” to be fully revitalized and healed properly through the Alien God as a pretender class.
@@aldariuskelsall319 yeah, this is something that has been going on in my mind for some time now. what if the holmes we have now is a pretender? we'll find out in the future
Well, as it turns out Mash's Galahad power was never lost nor taken. She was just mentally blocked from accessing it, and thanks to forgetting her memories when she first entered the LB, she reconnects with Galahad.
Pretender Class from the information that I gathered is strong against Alter Egos but weak against Foreigners and there the inverse of Alter Egos when it comes to their specialty where they are strong against the Knight Classes but are weak against the Calvary Class.
So we have the Knight Triangle, the Cavalry Triangle, the Extra Triangle, and whatever this new Triangle is between Alter Egos, Foreigners, and -Fakers- Pretenders. And of course Shielder and Berserker are kinda just there.
@@espurrseyes42 I'd personally call the Alter Ego-Foreigner-Pretender triangle the Outsider Triangle, since they are the 3 classes that should probably not exist outside of being created by gods and outsider intervention.
Vortigern: Hahahaha...finally, after all this time, I have been reborn. The Master: What the fuck? You're not Oberon? Who the hell are you?! Vortigern: I was given a false identity by the Welsh Fae. But with Tonelico and Cernunnos gone, my memories have resurfaced. I am Vortigern. King of Britain. And I shall destroy everything.
Pretty nice that Foreigner gets another class advantage - glad to see my Abby and Hokusai might get a chance to be story vips again. Makes me curious if we'll start seeing more Pretenders as Event Servants now. Wouldn't be surprised if Abe No Seimei ends up being one, since he's Douman's foil and the Pretender class seems to be the foil to Alter Egos.
Think issue was animation trailer made him look better and a girl till we saw how it looked also king of faries suppose look masculine the art was fine just didnt represent king of faries until the edgy design made him look more justified
sometimes people like something like this, i mean how many people like to read revenge manga or manga that make the MC to become badass and become their alter self
i was expecting him to look like a tyrant wearing a black armor just like salter his np is turning himself into a dragon and has a deeper voice but this one is much cleaner and edgy at the same time and his np is like it came out of darksouls
Technically speaking, he has black chitinous armor on his arm and legs, black royal veil and his NP turns him in the thing that can be called a “dragon” - dragonfly or some sort of it
To think we are 1 or 2 months away from this battle based on when Global releases part 1 or 2... It's so exciting!!! We will finally fight mothman, I have been craving for this fight for a really really looooong time and it's finally here!!!
Normally, I would say the fight was so underwhelming for all the build up and surprise, but after the hell that is Cernunnos, I’m fine with the difficulty.
Interesting the ost at the beginning comes from the fate/hollow ataraxia right? Edit: I figured it out what's it called. False Transmiguration of the soul. Very fitting...
i swear to god , there was a part my ear would never ever forget when he does his np. The howling of the giant bug tho, creepiest sound that ive ever heard, i was wearing headphone btw.
Okay, what's this sound at 13:00? If that's the hole out of this space closing/collapsing I would understand. But my first impression is that sounds like he hit something as in "hit rock bottom". That should be impossible. It's a hole; no entrance no exit no beginning no end.
Honestly I was expecting Vortigern to be 7' tall with black armor and having a perma-frown along with a Zweihander. And him transforming into a dragon. I wasn't expecting him to be a Belzeebub reference
Yes, he's basically Vortigern, the Oberon attributes are only the wings and stuff. The face and body is basically Vortigern, Oberon is just a name he was forced to received.
Vortigern is an oberon face it seems since before he transformed into oberon all the insects mistook him for oberon despite him being 100% vortigern. the vortigern in garden of avalon was an old man I belive so in his prime he looked like this most likely
Can someone clarify this for me. Oberon Vortigern is a combination of the Vortigern of pan human history and Oberon, one of the 1000 year calamities. The fairies of the forest believed Vortigern to be Oberon and this belief caused the Oberon calamity to become one with Vortigern, creating Oberon • Vortigern. The Vortigern of PHH had knowledge of Oberon from PHH, which was both a character in a play and perhaps a fairy that Shakespeare met (this bit of a PHH Oberon is a theory mostly) and because of some confusion on his part and an identity crisis, this was the Oberon he came to act as. When the Welsh forest burnt down, Vortigern's malice and evil combined with the rage and resentment of the calamity oberon and it caused this to eventually occur. I'm also certain that if its true, the fairy Shakespeare met could have become the calamity Oberon if under the right circumstances, similarly to Barghest and Melusine.
From what I understand the version in the lostbelt is just Vortigern who was brainwashed by the Welch fairies 🧚♀️ into thinking he was Oberon. When the Welch fairies died the brainwashing ended. The summonable version might role Oberon into the servant as a way to suppress Vortigern Also PHH Oberon is involved with Siegfried story to be specific he guarded the Nibelungen Treasure
@@rexarc2477 yep, but Oberon doesn’t look like this the body and dragonfly wings are 100% Vortigern’s. The butterfly/moth wings are Oberon’s. The personality Vortigern originally had when he was Oberon was might be Oberon’s actual personality
Bad gacha , have repetitive gameplay BUT have interesting gimmick the more your progress and good story despite the cons I still respect people still care with this game and still willing to put their time.
Speaking of Grand, I've always wondered how Daybit found a way to form a contract with a Grand Servant in the first place. Something like that shouldn't be possible without said Servant relinquishing their Grand title (like what First Hassan did in Babylonia).
@@cameraredeye3115 Its already explained by Da Vinci, iirc, by comparing Wodime to Daybit While Wodime can do literally anything within the realm of what is possible, Daybit can achieve what seems to reside within the realm of impossibility. What's impossible for many others would not be the case for Daybit
Someone in another thread mentioned that of all the classes in Fate Lore, they still haven't introduced 'Saver'. I wouldn't be surprised if both Grand Berserker and the first Saver make an appearance in the next lostbelt. ...And I'm going to guess the Saver reveal will NOT be on our side.
@Harry Shade it might not matter Voyager does equal Foreigner but yet here we are. Even if Faker isn’t the same they might put her there to flush out the class more
How I feel like His acenstion will operate like this 1st: Oberon (how he was when he was on our side) 2nd: fusion of Oberon and Vortigern (the Boss Version) 3rd: Vortigern (one we haven't seen yet)
@@zerocrimson8725 Actually his appereance is 100% because the fairys also change him physically, Vortigern in Garden of Avalon was described as a Black hole in the form of a man with Black armor also the fact that it was said that saber alter resembles to him
@@rodolfosanchez3397 Yeah, because they were talking about his OLDER self, the only physical changes they made to him were his "Bug" details, the real question is, how the fuck does Oberon look like?
This just makes me appreciate his art even more. It truly feels like he's a character from an old british fairy tale book with illustrations. Love all the love that they gave my boi Mothman.
At first I was disappointed and I was like
Nuuuuuuuuu I thought it was Titania not her gddmn husbandddd
And then he goes like-
Mothman? Isnt the Emperor the mothman..Oberon is more of butterfly.
@@Written_in_the_Starss they're both Mothman.
@@Steven-xz5xt tbh QSH is a peacock, not a moth
@@ieket yeah his design is even compared to a peacock, he really is a peacock tbh we just wrongly call him mothman
Oberon's first design was already really great, but his Vortigern design? Simply AMAZING. Umino Chica really hit the ballpark on this one.
But I like first design He looks shine and cheerful. 😢
Where did our cute mothboy go?!
@@mdifaazhari9591 he joined those damn butterfly
@@mdifaazhari9591 puberty changed him 😔
@@brutalnobody5240 He became a Dragonfly instead of a Moth.
Oberon-Vorti is still a Gigachad even when he is a bad guy
Words of wisdom
Taking into account what happened in LB6…he is the lesser evil than any inhabitant of this cursed lostbelt
@@dmitriystarostin8023 Facts, I actually laughed at what happened to Aurora. She got what she fucking deserved!
@@Darkwings01 what happened to her and which is she ?
@@TitoVladez115 she is the butterfly winged fairy who helped us againts morgan initially, but after we defeat morgan and erect knocknarea as her successor, she assasinated knocknarea and blame the assasination to us chaldean, which kickstart destruction of britain LB.
His design is incredible. Artist did a phenomenal job and his voice actor really gives him life. Can't wait to summon him.
It only took 3 years, but at last, an Alter-Ego counter class, also doing less damage to Cavalry classes will make them kinda easy to fight as bosses
Until a class disadvantages change gimmick obliterated our asses of course
I mean atleast Oberon can change his class advantage with his 3rd skill so it makes it quite random interms of difficulty
That's why I would have preferred for Pretenders to do more damage to Knight classes and do less damage to Calvary class rather than them be obliterated by Calvary classes... but it is what it is. I'm just happy that Foreigners finally have something else that they can obliterate that is specifically for them, I mean technically they don't get hit hard by Zerks but that used to be it.
Also definitely happy that Alter Ego has an official class counter now instead of just throw a Zerker at it or bring a Knight class servant and do your best to outdamage.
@@dearickangelonej.legaspi6686 that has yet to be confirmed. It was on the leak, but we cannot verify until we get him.
Is the logic of them is like 'foreigner' beat 'berserker'?
Pretender: the one who can change his own personality with losing who he is.
Alter Ego: the one who brought to existence because of change in personality.
In this video, fgo flexes its influence on the Fate franchise by introducing another entirely new class. More at 10
FGO had already introduced Foreigner, and debateably Beast depending on whether you count that as a Servant class or not. Shielder and MoonCancer were both technically introduced previously but FGO officially canonized the former and upgraded the latter to Servant class.
At this point, FGO is The Fate. I already regard it as the main Fate and others as additions.
And not only that, but you can even argue that, unless otherwise stated, that this “new class” really is more of a reinterpretation of Case Files’ Faker, in which case Pretender isn’t really new, it’s just been reformed from Faker to a similar equivalent. But anyways, if anything at least this mean when Case Files gets it’s rerun, there’s a high chance we’ll see Hephaestion.
FGO is the cashcow of type-moon, Nasu had to retire half of the dead apostle ancestors just because of the powercreep. When any 5 stars divine spirit can throw celestial bodies around Acr and Crimson Moon look kind of cute in comparison with a walking blackhole that is U-Olga that Thanos the planet before it even manifesting. Even then FGO is the route where the manifest destiny of the Age of Will manifest at its strongest as humans like Kiara, Berly and Wodine achieve power that surpass the old gods and the Planet's Order.
@@Kanethedragon indeed i was waiting hephaestion first but mothman is the apetizer.
His NP is absolutely phenomenal!! Especially when they get consumed into the Abyss and i just absolutely love his Background Song when casting the NP!
True.
Damn its hard being an f2p . And they might release him soon right after Vitch banner...i still got to wait 2 years but shit man .
Same
@@muramasa7537 start saving them quartz bro
Also when the vile king swallows the enemy team where exactly do they go? Its so cool but I'm so confused what happens after he eats them?
I am.
In love with this man.
His voice acting, his art, his class name being awesome, this fight, his theme.
Lord forgive me, for I have simped.
The power of Tosshiyuki Toyonaga. My favorite character he played is Mikado Ryuugamine. His voice changed fantastically as Mikado's mental state regress and regress in pursue of his extraordinary in DRRR. He's awesome.
@@einzweichschein and kicks racism to the CURVE.
I gave bombastic side eye to Melusine, Baobhan and even Woodwose for their simping but I truly have no moral highground lmao
マーリンの宝具で散々聴いてた「罪なき者のみ通るがいい」の意味がようやくわかった。
What meaning?????
@@pranavshinde4472Like fairies that sabotaged creating excalibur couldn’t get back to Avalon anymore right
So that is kinda related to Marlin’s NP line
おわぁ!?!?!
そういうことか？!!?
I like how if you got the correct choices and chose the options in red, you get different voice lines from Oberon when he uses his NP, saying "I don't have ANYTHING to tell you anymore"
Wait, what's this about?
@@Furigou Throughout the story, there were some dialogue options with Oberon that we can't skip (literally, the skip button disappeared)......after that, some players saw these special conversation at this last act with Oberon where us as Fujimaru can choose a normal white line (more innocent reply) and a red one (with way serious tone and implying a cold Fujimaru that was suspicious about Oberon all along)
It seems that whenever we were having dialogue that were not skip-able, as long as we choose the option that showed suspicions towards Oberon, we get to see these special red dialogue in this last act. Also, now adding with what romand271 said, its would seems DW is starting to experiment with dialogues influenced scenario.....interesting......
It's also raised some concern among players, whether are we still Fujimaru or are we actually related/controlled/replaced by Outer Gods or even the Alien God.
@@taztai1506 oh, i see, thank you!
It's definitely a possibility, after all, there's a traitor on the Border and all the clues pointing to Holmes might be red herrings.
This makes me wonder if DW will implement multiple story paths, like in a normal VN, i don't know how the would handle it, though, with the linear progression of the game and all.
@@taztai1506 what does it mean?
That's got to be one of the coolest looking servant I've ever seen
So it would seem
It make sense why oberon hates merlin since he can see through him with his clairvoyance
Also in Arthurian lore Vortigern wanted child merlin body to mix with cement to build a castle. That's have context but is funnier without.
@@naoeotobitaka9789 Ah yes. Merlin-based cement.
Actually no, Merlin literally cant see Oberon, at all.
Merlin thought we were talking to no one.
@@splicertinker1809 i like to think merlin was lying just piss off oberon since he could've told us the truth about him from the beginning
@@zaregoto6022 I mean, we also find out Oberon was faking being Merlin in Castoria's Life as well I believe, which would make sense in how Merlin didn't know Oberon was a thing.
Wry Rhyme Goodfellow is the NP of Dreams, and Lie Like Vortigern is the NP of Nightmares.
Also, I'm super happy with the job Umino-sensei did with Oberon's art throughout this. Can't wait to see if she illustrates more characters in Fate or in any other games.
Dude imagine if they got Mochizuki Jun
@@akitasettongumi reminding me of PH and Vanitas gorgeous art rn, i would actually scream if they got Mochizuki sensei
@@yna1nna
That'll be a nightmare for me as F2P player. I've been so far without whaling and using any servant I have. But God, if there's any MochiJun's designed character, I'll go mad and obsess over it.
Fun fact:While Rhy Rhyme Good fellow is the Np that's make one fall in dream,Lie like Vortigen marks the end of the dream as if it doesn't exist anymore,just like the play A Midsummer's Night dream.
Rhy Rhyme Good fellow is an Np that starts a dream,a fairy tale a never before seen experience it starts the dream,in contrast to Oberon being in his first ascension being that of a butterfly Butterflies Mark the beginning of a day but in contrast of a dream which starts a never welcomed fantasy it puts u into sleep and starts the dream with the Morning Lark.
And Lie Like Vortigen
Is a noble phantasm that marks the end of the dream
It is Oberon's greatest feat as he writes the fantasy,he makes u experience.and as every journey is supposed to end,he reveals the curtains on this tragedy of a dream by him himself coming on the stage to bring the end as the Robin goodfellow with his noble phantasm that devours the twilight,aka the fantasy world as a "Dragon"in literature Dragons are creatures that harbinger Chaos and mark the end the fun fact about this one is that it's shape less like a Dragon and more like a Dragonfly which personifies change and self realization as Vortigen realises his purposes.well to be honest even I don't know why? this all I am saying is probably...all a lie....
Fun fact: The boss's +2 Charge skill can be used even if him using it would cause him to NP instantly, unlike other bosses who normally won't use their charge skill. His normal Charge skill instead takes that position. So yeah worst case scenario, it's possible for him to spam his NP.
yeah, he did that 2 times in a row and obliterated me
boss using charge skill then instantly use NP in the same turn has been in the game since forever though lol. I remember Gilgamesh could do that since launch
@@corvusjia9275 Something that should be kept in mind: With the later story and event fights, the AI is programmed to have a chance of using skills if they haven't acted that turn. Oberon breaks that rule since his AI is more complicated and...yeah he can just use the +2 charge one instead (His +1 charge follows the rule)
........WHAT!?!?!?
THE AMOGUS CLASS IS NOW CANON
You know... With the introduction of this new class... I'm not surprised that they really did intend to make FGO live longer than expected
Well i think the class Savior and gatekeeper so they can still explore more options
We haven't fight the aliens yet so...
A lot of sub-classes that exist in Fate Lore have yet to be introduced into Grand Order, though I have a feeling that once they start work on another Fate/ Game, there is a chance they will re-brand a lot of characters class-wise.
@@TwilightNightGaming hopefully Apocrypha Vlad in Lancer
This is gonna give me trust issues. Now I'm gonna be thinking every new ally from the chapter going forward are sus, and that they could quite possibly be a Pretender. They just turned this into "Fate/Among Us".
Dw really going through lengths he looks too badass
Right? That design is beast!
Remember when people said Oberon's design is off and out of place?
His voicelines sounds badass as well
Chico did such an amazing job.
@@snailthelostcow63 I still think that, but least it makes sense in context. Something did not feel right with Oberon compared to the other characters, yet I didn' understand it at first.
I have a feeling that if this is Oberon's final ascension art, it's going to be story locked just like Douman's third ascension
I hope they have a quest that unlocks it like douman’s
@@strawbeegato from what I’ve seen there’s a little scene that plays and reveals his true class almost like they did with EOR
I didn’t realize the scene was literally in this video, kek
maybe even his class will be locked to ruler.
@@thefool8224 I kinda doubt that but it can be possible
The build up, twist, music his voice acting, atmosphere. One of my fav moments in fgo tbh
ここで今まででオベロン疑ってると主人公のセリフの選択肢増えるのすごいよな、
いきなり赤文字出てきて怖かったけど
Oberon literally Cast Off his false identity to reveal that he was Vortigern all along. This is meta on so many levels.
Cast off!!
Change dragonfly...
@@reisawatariX3 More like Fly really.
@@bernkastelfrederica5952 I already know that we are not on the same page. Do you want me to explain my comment or ....?
Your pick.
Edit, well either way: ruclips.net/video/Ky2vm9ZBgzc/видео.html
That should explain it.
@@reisawatariX3 *proceeds to get rekt as everything should be*
@@bernkastelfrederica5952 Nah, the wings look like those of a dragonfly and they probably are since a dragonfly is a good midpoint between Oberon's insect/moth motif and Vortigern's dragon motif, in other words, the dragonfly would kinda work as a shot out to GoA...
Mothman became edgy and evil. I like it. The intro is also a great introduction to the Pretender Class. Also, that NP is both creepy and awesome. Reminds me of Dark Souls for some reason.
Saving everything for him next week. Man, once these LB6 Banners come to NA, I am fucked, beacuse I want ALL of them!
Same bro, this LB pack to much value
Same here, Morgan, lolilot, percival, Koyanskaya and now this... what I will do in twor years I dunno, but I'll get them all
Someone explain to me what this new class is, I don’t understand Japanese. What’s Pretender?
@@hunterkun2918 If from what I've heard, it's supposed to be the alternate to Alter Ego (Strong against Saber/Lancer/Archer, weak to Assassin/Rider/Caster). Don't know if it has any other class advantages/disadvantages.
@@slayinderp7501
Strong against Alter Egos, weak to Foreigners.
They're reusing Hollow Ataraxia tracks again. I love it. Between this, Grand Carnival, Tsukihime Remake, and Melty Blood, it's a good day to be an old TM fan.
Good year*
What song is this?
@@teshayweatherspoon9704 False Transmigration of the Soul
His design is so badass and the bite in his voice sounds cool I’m definitely rolling for him when he comes to NA
Edit: I started JP and I got him ahh
here we go again with large sinkholes in the wallets
@@수사삿 right did you see how his banner made 3 billion yen? Oberon is a very powerful mothman
@@leone4304 Powerful AND popular
*Through tears of betrayal*: Mothman, there's no need to feel down.
I said Mothman, lift a man off the ground.
@Oppai-sama Mothman (YMCA parody)
I'm interested to see if he reverts to become more Vortigern-like as he ascends, like the Fairy Knights, or if this is his final ascension.
Edit: because grammar
This might be his 2nd actually, with the 3rd being the most like his true self
I'd say this is 2nd and 3rd is more "beastly" since the other calamities are all inhuman looking
In Garden of Avalon Gawain describes Vortigern wearing dark armor, which you can kinda see hints of in Oberon's arms and legs.
Considering GoA is also written by Nasu, I'm sure he kept it in mind, and is kind of what I'm hoping for, considering how much talk there was of Saber Alter resembling Vortigern.
@Rin Rin actually he white dragon he had consume albion relative blood arthur father pendragon was suppose be the red dragon
I thought this was his last ascension like how Abigails is all dark compared to her first. I figured his 1st is the one used in the story a lot, second was the one all dressed in white where he looks very princely(used a few times in story) and this was the 3rd.
Finally, we have the flipside to the Alter Ego class. Now they just need to add two or three more Pretenders to flesh things out and balance will finally be achieved.
Hephaestion and The Pale Rider here we go!
I want Goetia
On a lighter side of the spectrum I wonder if someone like Patroclus would qualify seeing as his major claim to fame was pretending to be Achilles and essentially triggering the continuation of the trojan war with his death in doing so.
I honestly cant wait to learn more about this class!
@@magicandmace-1151 or "the man from Chaldea"
@@samh659 hapharstion is a faker class though. Pale rider is a pretender?
Pretender: discard your self be it humanity or personality and be reborn.
Alter egos: beings born from new persona
Faker: counterfeit servants( haphasdon is iskand's counterfeit)
If we become able to summon goetia in the future, there is a very real chance that he Will be pretender class. He had pretended to be someone else(Solomon) and even hidden his true class as caster. The class affinity isn't even that far off his beast class one, being Strong against the knight classes and weak against cavalry.
Maybe, Goetia might've been a sort of "pretender prototype"
Can’t believe I missed this. I’ve been seeing all the comparisons to the Faker class and even some people throwing out a potential Pretender Kingu, but this is actually the most viable possibility for a summonable Pretender servant.
From what I’ve read, Pretender doesn’t just mean someone with a false identity. It also apparently requires the servant in question to have opposed Pan-Human History and the human order in the past, which Vortigern apparently did. Of the characters I’ve seen thrown around as potential Pretenders, only Kingu counts for that end, but I doubt DW would use him because he’d just be Enkidu with a different class. Goetia hits all the notes for lore and gameplay.
If we get summonable Surtr he’ll probably be pretender class as well considering he was faking as Sigurd on us for 80% of the story.
Pretender class is pretending identity not the class itself also vangogh should been pretender class technically
Kingu was enkidu not knowing he was ressurected but a shell of his former self that could survive without the heart
THEY DID NOT HAVE TO MAKE MY BOY OBIGGA SO CLEAN WITH THE TRANSITION, THE BOSS THEME, THE VOICE, THE FUCKIN EVERYTHING. GOT DAMMN!
不穏なbgmと共に現れて、奈落の虫に喰われた時はまじで絶望したけど…その後また感動した
Every time FGO uses Hollow Ataraxia's themes, you know you are in for a banger!
Where did they used them???
@@pranavshinde4472Vortigern reveal
@@r.k845 That's From ataraxia???
@@pranavshinde4472 Do you have any idea how many FGO tracks are from HA and stay night lol.
Quite a few.
@@r.k845 few examples
正直かっこよすぎて欲しくなった
We've come a long way from "just" seven servant classes huh?
Say what you want about FGO but most of our world building and explanation of lore comes from it
I mean, Ruler and Avenger class were already a thing anyway
4 of the 7 extra classes in F/GO come from prior works, at least.
coughwatchercough
Well, to be fair we started out with ruler class. Orleans revealed that instantly so the seven classes were only by themselves in Fuyuki
they reused a lot of old bgm from fsn, ccc and hollow ataraxia for this lb and I'm glad
IKR "False transmigration of the Soul" is so fitting for a character like Oberon
Ccc?
@@TheBlaze22b remember Muryan's first appearance ? I think that's what they meant
@@TheBlaze22b p sure I've heard aeriality during a cutscene, but it was seeing someone else playing it so I'll double check for myself later just in case lol
@@marcell_forchannel3985 Speaking of, what happened to Muryan and Aurora? Did they die? And if so, how? *(cause I really want to know, specially Aurora's case)*
Still waiting for his rateup
My JP SQ want to be burned too.
Probably pretty soonish
He's either coming soon, or he's gonna be the new years servant
new year is probably that mapo tofu guy
@@gnt163 AGREED
I love how they use Fate/Stay Night and Fate/Hollow Ataraxia music throughout this lostbelt, such nostalgia...
Admit it, we knew from the beginning that He's the bad guy. That first (or second?) LB trailler shows ominous fairy-looking being. And his smile is so smug that it reeks of evilness...
His appearances in the trailers were not that obvious imo.
In the game new opening, tho ? Totally...
@@masamoon1887 in the lb6 teaser thingy he looks innocent but the class changes and stuff and people who have anxiety/trust issues are just too good
@@masamoon1887 Well first LB6 Trailer which Muramasa made appearance by cleaving hill one. There's a fae with butterfly/moth wing sitting like a boss and a black ominous shadow below it. When it was revealed to be Oberon, that's it. "He's surely the bad guy"
While I agree with the obvious clue that Oberon is sus, what no one expected is that he is actually Vortigern...
Just realized the fight is taking place inside the Dragonfly's maw - the end of his NP shows your characters in this exact same place
Seeing the Ruler class card turn into Pretender class keep me curious if the theory that Holmes is a traitor is true or not....
Ah yes.. That's what I'm afraid of when i see the transition
Makes you wonder, if the Holmes we truly formed a bond with died in Scandinavia by Sigurd. Only for “Holmes” to be fully revitalized and healed properly through the Alien God as a pretender class.
@@aldariuskelsall319 yeah, this is something that has been going on in my mind for some time now. what if the holmes we have now is a pretender? we'll find out in the future
Yup people made speculations about this and why he avoids any of the foreigners class maybe they could see through him, or class advantage
There's a theory of Holmes being a traitor?
Ngl the whole boss fight including the intro was intimidating... Giving me chills
The next Pretender class servant is gonna be Emiya holding Ea while in his normal costume but it's golden instead of red
Whre did you hear that
@@ozysalt4831 I think that's just a joke. Based on how Gil called Emiya "Faker" in UBW.
Nimrod emiya confirmed
@@hida99ash make sense , but for a moment i thought it was true , because of the faker thing , but obviusly emiya cant recreate Ea
Probably holmes
女プレイヤーたちが「虫は苦手だけどイケメンだからいいや」ってつぶやいてるのを見て
俺の心ぐちゃぐちゃになった
女が悪いイケメンを好きになる理論やで
女だからね.......
Don't know why, don't know How, but i love the fact that the camelot Mash is back
And she can now also wield Black Barrel on top of that. Damn, Mash is becoming OP now...
Well, as it turns out Mash's Galahad power was never lost nor taken. She was just mentally blocked from accessing it, and thanks to forgetting her memories when she first entered the LB, she reconnects with Galahad.
Pretender Class from the information that I gathered is strong against Alter Egos but weak against Foreigners and there the inverse of Alter Egos when it comes to their specialty where they are strong against the Knight Classes but are weak against the Calvary Class.
Thanks for the info. This actually makes a lot of sense. Trying to avoid as many story spoilers as an NA player.
So we have the Knight Triangle, the Cavalry Triangle, the Extra Triangle, and whatever this new Triangle is between Alter Egos, Foreigners, and -Fakers- Pretenders. And of course Shielder and Berserker are kinda just there.
@@espurrseyes42 I'd personally call the Alter Ego-Foreigner-Pretender triangle the Outsider Triangle, since they are the 3 classes that should probably not exist outside of being created by gods and outsider intervention.
Knight Triangle, Cavalry Triangle, Grail/Law Triangle and Persona?,Psyche?,Mind? Triangle. Shielder and Berserker are just there.
@@shaymin123able
I mean... if you're calling Extra Triangle 1 the "Law Triangle", then Extra 2 should be the "Chaos Triangle".
Insane reveal. Literally gave me chills
ok, but that Class card intro was genuinely amazing!
Lb6 part3 entrance scene is just another level of greatness
1:50 I love the Servant Class cards!
I would love a game that makes more use of the “Guess Who” part of the Holy Grail War...
That first BGM sounds really familiar for some reason.
it's from fate hollow ataraxia
@@xoutaku7600 Oh shit yea you right.
It's already been used since 2020‘s summer event
Vortigern: Hahahaha...finally, after all this time, I have been reborn.
The Master: What the fuck? You're not Oberon? Who the hell are you?!
Vortigern: I was given a false identity by the Welsh Fae. But with Tonelico and Cernunnos gone, my memories have resurfaced. I am Vortigern. King of Britain. And I shall destroy everything.
The uncle of artoria.
So lostbelt collapse and he cannot go since he legit servant pan human history that got modified
Damn, this boss fight music is really amazing.
Pretty nice that Foreigner gets another class advantage - glad to see my Abby and Hokusai might get a chance to be story vips again.
Makes me curious if we'll start seeing more Pretenders as Event Servants now. Wouldn't be surprised if Abe No Seimei ends up being one, since he's Douman's foil and the Pretender class seems to be the foil to Alter Egos.
It's funny how Oberon wasn't liked because of his art until he went through his emo phase
Think issue was animation trailer made him look better and a girl till we saw how it looked also king of faries suppose look masculine the art was fine just didnt represent king of faries until the edgy design made him look more justified
sometimes people like something like this, i mean how many people like to read revenge manga or manga that make the MC to become badass and become their alter self
People just not liked his art just in the day that LB6 was released. One day after, everyone was already in love with him.
It's literally just another case of Nightingale
It takes a little bit of time to get used to it cuz of the unique art
I was also one of the people who hated his doofy art design. He looked like a douche. Now he looks way more cooler with his emo look.
Mothman became the Impostor, I can't believe it.
Sussy Mothman ~UwU~
When the Moth is Vortigern
i was expecting him to look like a tyrant wearing a black armor just like salter his np is turning himself into a dragon and has a deeper voice but this one is much cleaner and edgy at the same time and his np is like it came out of darksouls
Technically speaking, he has black chitinous armor on his arm and legs, black royal veil and his NP turns him in the thing that can be called a “dragon” - dragonfly or some sort of it
the hardest fight in the game followed by the laggiest fight in the game. I love this lostbelt
The theme for his np is beautiful
He's way too cool. What a badass servant
And what a nice profile pic u have, fellow follower of the ancient ones
To think we are 1 or 2 months away from this battle based on when Global releases part 1 or 2... It's so exciting!!! We will finally fight mothman, I have been craving for this fight for a really really looooong time and it's finally here!!!
He looks like Akechi when he reveals himself as the traitor.
You mean pancake boy?
Nah. More like the Big Reveal at the end Mementos
Normally, I would say the fight was so underwhelming for all the build up and surprise, but after the hell that is Cernunnos, I’m fine with the difficulty.
You can make the fight harder by not just running a foreinger tbf
He looks cool as all hell, who else agrees man?
Okay, honestly at first I didn't like Oberon's design but godamn if this didn't change my mind. Absolutely amazing
this lostbelt made Grand Order the Main Franchise of Fate and Gudao/Gudako the Protagonist of the Protagonists.
Thank god for chica umino (oberon artist) if it wasn't for her this lostbelt won't become this gigantic epic story arc.
*Merlin:* Your uncle looks gnc af
*Arturia and Morgan:* What?
About to become xNaya's most viewed video, the hype for husbandos are real!
Interesting the ost at the beginning comes from the fate/hollow ataraxia right?
Edit: I figured it out what's it called. False Transmiguration of the soul.
Very fitting...
I think it's from Fate Hollow Ataraxia
マジでかっこよすぎる！
Just when I thought there was no edgier class than avenger, This appeared!
He looks pretty cool.
Also he becomes a dragonfly! As in Vortigern the White Dragon!
That lost against the red/orange dragon
Arthur and Artoria: we're Welsh.
Artoria: but he's a Saver
Is Pretender the alter ego for the Knight class we were hoping for?
Yes
I love his design! Reminds me of Howl from Howl’s Moving Castle.
さすが羽海野チカと言うかオベロン誕生の不思議で素敵な一枚絵が一目見た瞬間に絶望的なオベロンのあの顔と痩せ細った身体にまとわりつく大量の蟲に恐怖を覚えたよ・・・
オベロンの声優さんの声の良さと開発スタッフによる専用BGMがマッチしてて良き！
プリテンダー？ルーラー？アーチャー？
これって妖精騎士ランスロットとかと一緒で再臨毎にクラスチェンジする感じなら廻すから！
実装いつですか！
i swear to god , there was a part my ear would never ever forget when he does his np. The howling of the giant bug tho, creepiest sound that ive ever heard, i was wearing headphone btw.
Okay, what's this sound at 13:00? If that's the hole out of this space closing/collapsing I would understand. But my first impression is that sounds like he hit something as in "hit rock bottom". That should be impossible. It's a hole; no entrance no exit no beginning no end.
Honestly I was expecting Vortigern to be 7' tall with black armor and having a perma-frown along with a Zweihander.
And him transforming into a dragon.
I wasn't expecting him to be a Belzeebub reference
Same
His Spirit Origin was corrupted
@@romanemperor3160 I mean vortigern's still a piece of the servant, the other half is just a fairy king
It's always the smiley ones that are not suppose to trusted :(
*Playing Great Pretender*
反吐が出る！の言い方が好き
THE HOLLOW ATARAXIA MUSIC AT THE START AAAAAAA
2 more years before I can properly experience LB6 but MAN AM I EXCITED
Why is the dragon-moth so hot?
正直めちゃくちゃかっこいい好き()
This lostbelt was just everyone role playing as other characters lol
I just realized that too. lol
Its like every character want to be someone else and or want to do something else.
I hope I ain’t the only one who still wants to see what Vortigern looks like without the whole oberon thing.
There's a cg of him surronded by bugs so i assume that was before his aint graph got mixed.
apparently this is how he looks like. I read somewhere that he mostly looks like vortigern and all the fairy attributes like wings are from Oberon.
Yes, he's basically Vortigern, the Oberon attributes are only the wings and stuff. The face and body is basically Vortigern, Oberon is just a name he was forced to received.
Vortigern is an oberon face it seems since before he transformed into oberon all the insects mistook him for oberon despite him being 100% vortigern. the vortigern in garden of avalon was an old man I belive so in his prime he looked like this most likely
Apparently this is a younger Vortigern
Can someone clarify this for me. Oberon Vortigern is a combination of the Vortigern of pan human history and Oberon, one of the 1000 year calamities. The fairies of the forest believed Vortigern to be Oberon and this belief caused the Oberon calamity to become one with Vortigern, creating Oberon • Vortigern.
The Vortigern of PHH had knowledge of Oberon from PHH, which was both a character in a play and perhaps a fairy that Shakespeare met (this bit of a PHH Oberon is a theory mostly) and because of some confusion on his part and an identity crisis, this was the Oberon he came to act as.
When the Welsh forest burnt down, Vortigern's malice and evil combined with the rage and resentment of the calamity oberon and it caused this to eventually occur.
I'm also certain that if its true, the fairy Shakespeare met could have become the calamity Oberon if under the right circumstances, similarly to Barghest and Melusine.
I think you are right, but might be that Oberon was fused with Vortigern by force, idk
From what I understand the version in the lostbelt is just Vortigern who was brainwashed by the Welch fairies 🧚♀️ into thinking he was Oberon.
When the Welch fairies died the brainwashing ended.
The summonable version might role Oberon into the servant as a way to suppress Vortigern
Also PHH Oberon is involved with Siegfried story to be specific he guarded the Nibelungen Treasure
@@hexbug9737 soo there is a real oberon out there?
@@rexarc2477 yep, but Oberon doesn’t look like this the body and dragonfly wings are 100% Vortigern’s.
The butterfly/moth wings are Oberon’s.
The personality Vortigern originally had when he was Oberon was might be Oberon’s actual personality
That hollow ataraxia music gave me the chills
When Oberon listen to much Linkin Park, he even has de dragonfly wings from Hybrid Theory
Yo! A fellow man of music culture.
Someone mentioning LP after so many years god im happy :")
@@clarissafariha4504 always and forever my friend!
@@NotiShounen cheers bro
Say what you will about FGO's gacha system, but even six years after release the still manage to release stories that just kick all kinds of ass!
The gacha sucks and I really hate that it does because fgo is simply amazing!
Bad gacha , have repetitive gameplay BUT have interesting gimmick the more your progress and good story despite the cons I still respect people still care with this game and still willing to put their time.
vortigern is an evil dragon
no wonder his dragon form looks like bugs
Are we seriously gonna get a new class?! So exciting!
Thanks for the spoiler on from the title, I was really trying to wait and figure it out through the story
wait a minute, remember there's a ruler in our Chaldea too who also claimed he was a caster?
sus
The Counter Force forcefully changed Holmes class from Caster to Ruler.
To prevent him from uncovering the truth about many other things.
@@bismarckimperia8781 I mean he could be lying.
このbgm聞くとホロウのバゼットとアヴェンジャーとのシーン思い出す
So he turns into a pilgrim butterfly from Dark Souls. Nice.
Imagine the final Lostbelt face-off with a Grand Berserker of Daybit.
Im hyped for ORT.
Speaking of Grand, I've always wondered how Daybit found a way to form a contract with a Grand Servant in the first place. Something like that shouldn't be possible without said Servant relinquishing their Grand title (like what First Hassan did in Babylonia).
@@cameraredeye3115 Its already explained by Da Vinci, iirc, by comparing Wodime to Daybit
While Wodime can do literally anything within the realm of what is possible, Daybit can achieve what seems to reside within the realm of impossibility.
What's impossible for many others would not be the case for Daybit
Someone in another thread mentioned that of all the classes in Fate Lore, they still haven't introduced 'Saver'.
I wouldn't be surprised if both Grand Berserker and the first Saver make an appearance in the next lostbelt. ...And I'm going to guess the Saver reveal will NOT be on our side.
the pretender logo looks like a mix of alter ego and avenger styles to me I LOVE IT!
Shakespeare "NOT my fault!"
I wonder if Faker = Pretender, like certain shadow of Iskandar that appeared in El-Melloi II
It isn't
Is faker stronger then iskander has his chariot and has mystic eyes of paralyzing based on superior will
@Harry Shade pretender false identity
@Harry Shade it might not matter Voyager does equal Foreigner but yet here we are.
Even if Faker isn’t the same they might put her there to flush out the class more
Faker is a counterfeit class that Dr. Heartless made himself. It has nothing to do with Pretender.
Oh this moment is so hype! Not wonder why this has so many views despite only having like 4 days around.
これまでの頭おかしい異聞帯のボスと比べれば、そこまで苦戦はしなかった。
どちらかと言えばケルヌンノスの方がやばかった
@d p モルガン相手なら全然スペイシュ乱射してたら勝てるけどあれ村正でも無理だった
ケルヌンノスで石が2つ飛んでいったクソ雑魚マスターが通ります
@@シュレッダー-o7c 涙拭けって・・・
How I feel like His acenstion will operate like this
1st: Oberon (how he was when he was on our side)
2nd: fusion of Oberon and Vortigern (the Boss Version)
3rd: Vortigern (one we haven't seen yet)
His appearance is 100% Vortigern, only the bug details are from Oberon, even in his first form
@@zerocrimson8725 Actually his appereance is 100% because the fairys also change him physically, Vortigern in Garden of Avalon was described as a Black hole in the form of a man with Black armor also the fact that it was said that saber alter resembles to him
@@rodolfosanchez3397 Yeah, because they were talking about his OLDER self, the only physical changes they made to him were his "Bug" details, the real question is, how the fuck does Oberon look like?
エンディングの絵が綺麗