a combination of both is better. the v30s have better mids(where the sound of guitar goes) and the 75s have extended bass and highs. this guy sounds awful so the 75s help hide some of his badness behind a mid scoop eq. for a 112 get a v30, for a 212 or 412 get a combination of both.
***** Agree with Josh. Especially with gigging, you want your guitar to cut through the mix. That's what the mids section does. I like that personally. Some people like to sit behind the mix and blend in, but IMO that's flawed.
that is a great tone. I have been searching for speakers that give me the tone I have in my head and the combo between the vintage 30 and the G12T-75 nails it. Awesom
I loved the mixture of the two together. When people pick one or the other, it's partially subjective preference, but what your amp sounds like is also a bit part of it. I have mmid-heavy amps that sound better w/T-75's, and a kind of dry, cool sounding old Hammond conversion 18 watt that sounds better with a V30, but a nice balanced amp will be best served by a 2x12 or 4x12 with one or two of each. For recording, nothing beats having two separate tracks, recorded by two separate mic's on two very different speakers.
ironpirites Yes I have and no there weren't. You should match impedance (don't put an 8 ohm V30 with a 16 ohm T-75) and of course, the two speakers combined have to provide the minimum load for your amp, so if your amp requires a 16 ohm load for instance, and your two speakers are 8 ohms each, wire them in series (google "speaker wiring diagrams"), and if your amp requires only 4 ohms, you'd wire the same pair of 8 ohm speakers in parallel, and so on. But you can definitely use speakers with different power ratings together, just remember that each speaker in a 2x12 sees half the output, so a cab with one 60 watt speaker and one 75 watt speaker should only be fed a total of 120. If you had a triple-recto (150 watts) you would need both speakers to be rated for 75 watts if you ever wanted to turn the volume up high. Hope this helps, good luck.
Yes. That is the kind of thing I was wondering about. Thanks. I've read comments to the effect that pairing different speakers with different electronic characteristics can have a deleterious effect on an amp. I couldn't see how this could be true, considering the speaker is at the extreme end of the output chain in the circuitry. Comment?
ironpirites Well, if an amp requires an impedance of 8 ohms and you hook up a cabinet that only presents it with a 4 ohm load, or mix speakers of different impedances in one cabinet, it can be harmful to the amp....I'd have to know the context of the statements to know what they were talking about though. I could be missing something, and anyone else who reads this and thinks of something, feel free to chime in. . . but I can't think of any 'electronic characteristics' besides impedance that would need to be matched. It can be harmful to the speaker if you throw a 15 watt AlNiCo magnet Jensen from the 1950's in your Marshall 4x12 in place of one of the V-30's, and then continue to drive that 4x12 with the same 120 watt head, but it wouldn't do the head itself any harm.
Adam Rainstopper The impedance is not always one number. There is an impedance curve that varies with the frequencies being put out by the amplifier. My understanding is that there is potential damage to the amplifier in certain cases where unmatched speakers will have impedance curves that would make different demands on the amplifier at the same time. (I'm way out of my depth here, hence the question.) Maybe some players have damage done to their amplifiers but don't know why it happened. I'd heard about this issue and just wondered if you were familiar with it in the context of pairing different speakers.
Might have that backward. The V30 is a very mid-forward speaker while the G1275 is a scooped sounding speaker. The V30 to my ears is very warm sounding because of the mid bump, the G1275 seems cold and a slight bit ice-picky
You can so it in a single 2x12 or 4x12 cab. Just have to hace the cab wired for stereo, which many are. I have my 4x12's wired with 2 75's and V30's in an x pattern with a Marshall head and EVH each running half the cab, and can use either/or amp, or both. If I didn't run in an x pattern on my speakers, I could do like your wanting and get very distinct sounding sides of the cab. But I run in x pattern to get the most from each amp.
Vintage 30 is colder, brilliant and agressive. I think It´s good for metal sounds. The G12T-75 is warmer and darker, for punk or hardrock I think. I prefer this last one.
i like that you played something heaving for this test and not some random shit like most reviews and comparisons on youtube. however i have to agree that the timing is terrible. but finally a video that compares things i want with the sound similar to mine.
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they sound pretty full both combined. awesome.
I don't know why people all around are saying that the 30s are better for metal-they sound fucking boxy as shit to me!
a combination of both is better. the v30s have better mids(where the sound of guitar goes) and the 75s have extended bass and highs. this guy sounds awful so the 75s help hide some of his badness behind a mid scoop eq. for a 112 get a v30, for a 212 or 412 get a combination of both.
***** Agree with Josh. Especially with gigging, you want your guitar to cut through the mix. That's what the mids section does. I like that personally. Some people like to sit behind the mix and blend in, but IMO that's flawed.
I just want the ones Justin Bieber plays.
Good sound comparison. I especially like the end where both speakers were used. Sounded the most interesting.
that is a great tone. I have been searching for speakers that give me the tone I have in my head and the combo between the vintage 30 and the G12T-75 nails it. Awesom
ugh the timing
Mixed sound is killer!
I loved the mixture of the two together. When people pick one or the other, it's partially subjective preference, but what your amp sounds like is also a bit part of it. I have mmid-heavy amps that sound better w/T-75's, and a kind of dry, cool sounding old Hammond conversion 18 watt that sounds better with a V30, but a nice balanced amp will be best served by a 2x12 or 4x12 with one or two of each. For recording, nothing beats having two separate tracks, recorded by two separate mic's on two very different speakers.
Have you actually put one of each in a 2x12? Were there any issues caused by the difference in power ratings of the two speakers?
ironpirites Yes I have and no there weren't. You should match impedance (don't put an 8 ohm V30 with a 16 ohm T-75) and of course, the two speakers combined have to provide the minimum load for your amp, so if your amp requires a 16 ohm load for instance, and your two speakers are 8 ohms each, wire them in series (google "speaker wiring diagrams"), and if your amp requires only 4 ohms, you'd wire the same pair of 8 ohm speakers in parallel, and so on. But you can definitely use speakers with different power ratings together, just remember that each speaker in a 2x12 sees half the output, so a cab with one 60 watt speaker and one 75 watt speaker should only be fed a total of 120. If you had a triple-recto (150 watts) you would need both speakers to be rated for 75 watts if you ever wanted to turn the volume up high. Hope this helps, good luck.
Yes. That is the kind of thing I was wondering about. Thanks. I've read comments to the effect that pairing different speakers with different electronic characteristics can have a deleterious effect on an amp. I couldn't see how this could be true, considering the speaker is at the extreme end of the output chain in the circuitry. Comment?
ironpirites Well, if an amp requires an impedance of 8 ohms and you hook up a cabinet that only presents it with a 4 ohm load, or mix speakers of different impedances in one cabinet, it can be harmful to the amp....I'd have to know the context of the statements to know what they were talking about though. I could be missing something, and anyone else who reads this and thinks of something, feel free to chime in. . . but I can't think of any 'electronic characteristics' besides impedance that would need to be matched. It can be harmful to the speaker if you throw a 15 watt AlNiCo magnet Jensen from the 1950's in your Marshall 4x12 in place of one of the V-30's, and then continue to drive that 4x12 with the same 120 watt head, but it wouldn't do the head itself any harm.
Adam Rainstopper The impedance is not always one number. There is an impedance curve that varies with the frequencies being put out by the amplifier. My understanding is that there is potential damage to the amplifier in certain cases where unmatched speakers will have impedance curves that would make different demands on the amplifier at the same time. (I'm way out of my depth here, hence the question.) Maybe some players have damage done to their amplifiers but don't know why it happened. I'd heard about this issue and just wondered if you were familiar with it in the context of pairing different speakers.
Have both, and both sound very well :)
Im thinking mix them in my mx12 will be any good with my marshall dsl100hr? Thannks
Might have that backward. The V30 is a very mid-forward speaker while the G1275 is a scooped sounding speaker. The V30 to my ears is very warm sounding because of the mid bump, the G1275 seems cold and a slight bit ice-picky
ok.. thanks... i liked the sound, especially the mixed sound
Imo the G12T sounds better. Think old school- MOP era Metallica sound
Actually that would be incorrect, Metallica started using V30 in the Master album, they used G12T-75's in the RTL/Kill Em All Era.
In this vid there are Chinese V30, but i've tested also the English V30, and there is absolutely no difference. Zero.
G12t75 better far
both sound good. I would like a multi-cab set up with switching system to utilize both tones.
You can so it in a single 2x12 or 4x12 cab. Just have to hace the cab wired for stereo, which many are. I have my 4x12's wired with 2 75's and V30's in an x pattern with a Marshall head and EVH each running half the cab, and can use either/or amp, or both. If I didn't run in an x pattern on my speakers, I could do like your wanting and get very distinct sounding sides of the cab. But I run in x pattern to get the most from each amp.
Are you kidding me? The 12T-75 sound like they have a blanket cloaked over them. The V30 has much more presence.
I just installed a V-30 and G12T-75 in my Diezel 2x12 cab. Sounds great, but not quite like the "mixed" version here, though :)
Vintage 30 is colder, brilliant and agressive. I think It´s good for metal sounds. The G12T-75 is warmer and darker, for punk or hardrock I think. I prefer this last one.
The G12T-75 sounds like its way more scooped in the mids
i like that you played something heaving for this test and not some random shit like most reviews and comparisons on youtube. however i have to agree that the timing is terrible. but finally a video that compares things i want with the sound similar to mine.
how can you tell with the background music sounds like the radio
great! good quality control then/
For metal better is V30 for other, better G12 easy
G12T-75 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yeah v30
G12T-75 OK OK OK
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