John Fogerty Discusses His Landmark Court Case at the Grammy Museum
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- Twenty years ago, John Fogerty went to court to defend his artistic freedom. He was being sued for plagiarizing himself, and he knew he had to stand up for all future artists and songwriters especially. In a recent Q&A at the GRAMMY Museum, promoting his new exhibit "John Fogerty: Wrote A Song For Everyone," John sat down and showed the audience what he played for the jury to convince them he was in the right. This ruling set the precedent for artistic freedom.
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The best part about it is that he not only beat that jerk in court, Fogerty countersued him and forced him to pay his legal expenses to defend against the case.
what were the songs ???
The Old Man Down The Road and Run Through The Jungle
did JF get the money?
What you fail to mention is Saul Zaentz who owned Fantasy Records was able to use subterfuge to convince Tom Fogerty, Doug Clifford and Stu Cook to join Fantasy in court which pit brother against brother. Therein was the bitterness. And, the four vs one held the rights of ownership until the case was settled 10 years later. So, John was prohibited from performing his own songs for those 10 years despite being the songwriter. If you listen to him explaining for the 150th time, he is all over the map. Much is left out and I believe it took such a emotional toll that it has taken his spirit. He has said that he and Tom never were able to work through it before Tom's death. In reality, there was no "best part".
@R!OT EARTH What justice? I suggest you do the research and recognize that this was outright theft that deprived John 10 years of his life and at his prime. Justice is supposed to right a wrong. This was a contentious bitter fight that lasted 10 years. Justice delayed is justice denied.
I've seen both CCR Re-visted and a John Fogerty with his son all in the same year and hands down John Fogerty with his son was by far the better of the two. A John Fogerty concert will always be on my bucket list to see again. Truly amazing talent.....
Yup. Saw him here in '98, front row seats, (NOT that we sat in them for long!) 1 of the BEST all time performers I ever saw!
I was lucky enough to see him in concert, best damn show ever, blew me away
He was the sound of CCR, but as ass with his brother. The super ass was non of the 4 though, it was Saul Zants the owner of the record company that completely and totally ripped off the band. It took his death to finally end the hell greed he represented. I heard that a well to do celebrity purchased the assets of the company and restored ownership of John’s writing to John... end of problem. Lesson, artists, never turn over rights to what you write.
Basically, they sued John Fogerty for sounding like John Fogerty. It was utter nonsense to put it extremely politely. To hell with those guys.
The ridiculousness of the whole premise should NEVER have even gotten to court! The judge should have looked at the brief and gone, 'this is utterly ridiculous and frivolous, NO case'!
Yes, but in all logic and sense, a composer cannot, in reality 'rip off' one's self!
@@DMSProduktions Why the hell not? They're his songs and he can rip his own songs off as much as he likes! What a joke.
@@T.R.U.T.H.. I know! It was an exercise in parsimony, to the extreme! But you misread my statement!
I was living in Washington DC walking down by the Capital in around 1985 and I ran into John Fogerty he told me about this lawsuit. I had a great conversation with him, for about 5 minutes
Wow!!! What a memory to have.
This is terrible such a cut throat business. 🤨😬
I was totally unaware of the details of this situation but I have so much more respect for John Fogerty because of how he's handled it. He will always be one of my favorite artists.
It is called business. Business people hide behind this word and use it as an excuse to be low-lifes, low-class people who are more often than not, looking for a dollar at anyones' expense.
Whether or not John was hard-headed or not in the early yrs, he did not deserve all that BS for all these yrs.
Remarkable how he puts that rough edge on his voice when he sings, but there's not a trace of it when he speaks.
I always think the same. If I sing along to a CCR song in his “voice”, I can barely talk afterwards. Amazing to think he can do it day in - day out for 40-50 years and not be affected.
It’s a crime against the universe what John Fogerty has been through in the music business. How the other guys can call themselves CCR is just so very wrong. The same type of thing happened to Mark Farner who wrote all the material for Grand Funk Railroad. What a shame!
I wish & I'am sure the public also wishes John Fogerty all the happiness in the world. It's the best thing in the world, he has given us so much happiness listening to his music.
NO such word as 'I'am'!
DMSProduktions no such word as "produktions"
I grew up in the 60's listening to CCR...its now 2015, and am Thankful that I still have my ears to hear John play in Honolulu June 5 @ Blaisdell Center where Elvis Played. Thank you CCR.
That lawsuit was a joke to begin with. Stu Cook is a veteran musician and knew that the two songs were not that similar, but went a head any way. Good for John for kicking their greedy sorry asses!
IT'S ALL ABOUT THE PUBLISHING, BABY!!!
If you make music, make sure YOU make YOUR OWN publishing company and keep ALL of the rights to YOUR songs!!!!!!
I wonder why they can t just put a copyright (circle around a c) on their work like visual artists do... maybe they can now... I’m sure lots of things have changed - can’t even copy photographs without photographers permission now.
The problem is that they own the industry just like the bankers own the politicians.
There is no reason to give your publishing or copywrite or ownership in any way over to any publishing company! You can do it all by yourself! Even if you don't go through the steps of registering your songs and setting up your own publishing company, you can always record your songs, write them out and send them to yourself in an envelope you keep sealed. That is a proven legal copywrite. ALSO! Never think somebody will not steal your songs! I have heard so many stories of songwriters having their songs stolen... Even if no money was ever made! I personally have lost my own recording tapes to a studio that would not turn them over to me. They were unfinished and nothing was ever done with them but it always bugged me that I paid for the tape, the recording time and the studio owner would not give me the recordings. I guess they thought that if I started making money they could sell the tapes but that to me is laughable.
@@flagemdown66 - It is far easier in today's world to own your own publishing rights. When Fogerty and CCR were in their early 20's, back in the 1960s, the knowledge of how to do that was limited, and the ability to get your music heard was very difficult. You basically had to sign with a record company in order to be heard, and the record companies took advantage of these young musicians who were, at the time, ignorant of the legal implications of those contracts. It was a dirty game run by reprehensible people.
@@jsmith1746 yep
The Old Man Down The Road and Run Through The Jungle don't sound the same but they do sound like
john
Stylistically yes.
I would love to have been on the jury, I would've convinced the jury he sounded more like The Blue Ridge Rangers.
Lol,I love listening to JF. He can tell a story and make a person laugh.He can be very comical. I really like that in him.
THIS WAS SO GOOD! SO HAPPY YOU WON AND CAN KEEP ON DOING WHAT YOU DO BEST !
What amazes me about John Fogerty is the STYLE of his writing is so tongue in cheek SOUTHERN / CAJUN / Southland USA , yet, he is from ......... (*drum roll *)
NORTHERN CALIFORNIA ...?!
Saw you in Toronto more than 40 years ago -- so glad you won!
John Fogerty is amazing and I followed this story back in the day and was very happy to hear that he won the case . Huge Fogerty fan since I was a kid .
OMG, the people of Fantasy Records were pure sadists!!!! Have loved the music of Creedance for many decades. John is such great artists.
I hope the case is settled in your favor. After listening to your honest explanation of what is happening, it is obvious you are the owner of your song as publisher. You have my full support. Love your voice and music.
+Valerie Armstrong 30 years too late
He is the only singer / songwriter who s songs i like all, its such Instant good feeling music, even the sad songs 😃 i was lucky enough to see him twice and he nailed it from beginning till end. What an energy, what an entertainer what a legend. This humble and honest man deserves all the respect in the world. Greetings from the Netherlands everyone ❤️❤️
For some strange reason John Fogerty sounds like John Fogerty,
😂😂😂😂
+Justin York 😂
Winford Lewis yes. He plays like him, sings like him....writes like him....
yeah. John Fogarty should sue John Fogarty for sounding like John Fogarty!
+Winford Lewis Yeah, it's not realistic to expect someone to change, totally, just because they are no longer working with the same people. For that matter, sounding like someone who was a major influence in your evolution as a musician is hardly surprising. I have a former bandmate that wrote an entire albums worth of songs that were quite good but went nowhere because of one nearly universal criticism, "You sound too much like Neil Young!" I can tell you, for a fact, that he makes no effort to "imitate" Neil's singing voice like tribute bands do. That is how he is going to sound regardless of what he sings. Here's a link to "American Native" so you can see for yourself:
ruclips.net/video/LKQozSvf7wk/видео.html
Creeps will never stop being creeps. Glad John won!
I hope you are in a better place today sir, been a fan, since 1970. Thank you for talent and your amazing music.
We have a CCR/Fogerty tribute artist here who calls himself John Forgery!
Thats funny
Pretty dam funny
@@bradthompson5547 It is! HIS drummer, now plays with ME!
That is great man
Where is home for u guy's?
It's a CRIME what they did to him.
Congratulations John, GOD BLESS YOU. Your music is part of my life. Thank you for everything. CCR my favorite band.
Tanks Mr John Fogerty for the music !!! long long life !!
2019
Those who hate John Fogerty...DO NOT!
Unless you are in denial.
John Fogerty put CCR on the
rock and roll map. THAT IS A FACT!
Tengo mas de 50 años de escuchar a John y nunca podría confundir el tono de su voz, es única.
Suing somebody for taking inspiration from their own work is the most American thing ever.
Thank You Mr. Fogerty
Scrapingthebottom f
Still love when they were all together.
This is absolutely Nuckin Futts and just a glimpse of how slimy the entertainment business is.
Phil sloan, stolen from, death attempt.....killing the goose who laid gold eggs.....his gift shut down, stunted.....we all lost many many new songs
Celebrating 50 years of.....
COSMO'S FACTORY 🎸 THE GREATEST STUDIO RECORDED ALBUM IN ROCKNROLL HISTORY.
John, you are awesome! Love your keyboard player Bob Malone too! I'm your fan forever in spirit and song.
Basically, there’s a family resemblance between all of his “children”.
The deal is John Fogerty IS CCR. Period. Thank God deal like this are never done anymore.
austin teutsch yes. Basically. He should have gotten the copyrights to CCR, the logo, etc. Because he was under contract and the others were playing with him, he should have had them sign a contract with him. Then, he could replace guys and still be CCR. They should have replaced Tom when he left. The other two should have enjoyed the ride. Once Johns contract was fulfilled he should have renegotiated to get MORE of his past CCR publishing. Plus, he should have asked for some ownership in the label and the contract should note that he can have an independent cpa verify the accounting books. Now, of course they could just keep two sets of books, but if discovered, that's a felony. It wouldn't be John taking them to court, it would be the government. John would reap the losses.
WRONG, CCR WAS 4 PEOPLE.
mohamedisapedophile basically the other 3 was musicians just playing John's songs , John wrote ALL the hits , it could have been anyone playing drums , base etc , John WAS CCR !
Wrong! Stu Cook wrote one of CCR's biggest hits in 1972, SWEET HITCHHIKER. I have lived during that time so I know.
austin teutsch lol
sweet hitchhiker? What ever !
Without John. There was no credence.
alse, you idiot. That's like saying The Doors wouldn't have happened, without Jim Morrison, which we all know is wrong. Without Robbie Krieger, Light My Fire wouldn't even exist. The difference, between CCR and The Doors, is that CCR didn't come to an agreement about finances, before they recorded their first album. They became successful, then started discussing finances, which was a BAD IDEA. The Doors agreed to split ALL earnings, before fame and success came. Same with Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, and many other bands. It's, really, too bad that CCR didn't do the same. Money ruins everything good.
yes so true.you get rid of the singer,song writer,and guitar player!!yeah your band will live on!!lol.john is doing great and the rest of the band is doing what?lol.well people need dish washes as well!!!lol
@@CooManTunes wow you are sad need of knowing the facts!!im not sure what the dorks,im sorry the doors.got to do with anything,ccr thougt the they could do it without john and voted him out!!!there you go,sad but true.get you facts straight before you ramble on.what is john doing now?and what are the sad poser whats left of ccr doing now?lol.
John you are an inspiration to me, keep fighting even at your lowest. Thank you for your inspirational songs and life story. Can't wait to see you in a few weeks in Connecticut. Keep on rockin John
The lawsuit sounds similar to Monsanto and their hybrid seeds (GMO)
The whole thing sort of reminds me of an old interview with John Illsley of Dire Straits when they were touring Israel when the question was along the lines .. would the group carry on if Mark called it a day? John just looked at the interviewer and said Mark was Dire Straits and if there was no Mark then there would be no Dire Straits. Just beyond comprehension that the other three CCR band members didn't seem to understand at any juncture it was JF's creativity that was directly lining their pockets. A band is never a democracy, at best it is a benevolent dictatorship.
Except for rush
John Fogerty = good man
Saul Zaentz = kant danz
But he'll steal your money...
@@GeoffreyGentryMusic Watch him or he'll rob you blind!
it's about time john. thanks for all the great music you brought to this world. keep fighting for us. the spirit world is on you side. those people that like to sue are trapped in there egos. it's terrible what they put you thru. but just think what you've learned. and you still one of the most spiritual songwriter singer in our world as we now it. so go on bro make some more tunes that will out live all of us.
I don't know...I got a little whiff of "Green River" at 8:50. Call out the lawyers!
How could you hide a voice so great that it sold millions of records? God gave Fogarty that voice!
Your man-made religious delusion has NOTHING to do with ANYTHING. It's really sad. People blabbering their religious mental illnesses.
Fogerty
LONG LIVE JOHN C FOGERTY!!!!
Well, this explains why Stu Cook & Doug Cosmo Clifford refused to sign my Green River album when the were in Atlantic City a few years ago. SMH, God Bless John
Whoa...what was their excuse?
@@QuarrellaDeVil They feel that the whole band should sign the albums, and decline to autograph CCR albums due to Tom no longer being with us. I did get Doug to autograph a copy of his 1972 solo album.
Corporate greed tries to extinguish your talent. But they were not able to do it. A victory for all artists everywhere.
It comes down to one word: "greed".
"Mr. Greed" is my favorite John Fogerty song, and was written about Saul Zaentz.
yes so true and the band gor nothing now and john is doing well!!lol
With a name like Saul, would you expect anything else? 😒 That was the scumbag Lawyers name, ugh, sorry Saul, YOU LOSE, AND ALSO PAY MR. FOGERTY FOR HIS INCONVENIENCE AND DEFENSE FEES 😂
Fantasy Records was NOT the publisher of the CCR songs. The songs were published by(among others) Jon Dora Music Inc. Fantasy held the "mechanical" copyright, that being the actual physical recordings on 45rpm, LP, CD or cassette.
im happy for you, a blessed man.
What's funny to me is the only CCR member I knew was John Fogerty and I still know and don't care who the others were
exactly salute
Yeah, if you listen real close you can hear the other CCR guys, still whining in the background, but then I turn up JOHN'S music and you can't hear them anymore!
@@bebo5558 LOL! True dat!
yeah the others are snakes.
Tom Fogerty is dead, but the other 2 are still alive, still trying to live off the name. I think one's name is Stu.
John Fogerty did get justice since the ruling was in his favor. I do not know how it could have gone the other way. A person plays writes and sings like them selves no matter what it is born in them. I heard part of that in a movie once and I believe that is more true then false.
Everyone well most everyone says. John WAS CREEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL !!! ALL THE WAY !!!!
he won because of the music
When will RUclips average the audio volume of all the videos? This one is low the next one blow my eardrums out
Thank you. I was vaguely familiar with a case out there involving Fogerty but didn't know the facts. As a songwriter, publisher, and a lawyer, I can't begin to describe the pandora's box this would have opened had Fogerty lost. I mentioned to a very successful songwriter that I sometimes get my songs mixed up. He replied: "Wait 'till you've written 500 and they're all in the same tune." He was joking, of course, but songwriters have a style in the same manner as singers do. The songwriting community, particularly the writer/artists such as Fogerty, dodged a huge bullet here.
I am outraged that a genius like John Fogarty, who creates music for the rest of the world to not only enjoy but love, has been subjected to this shit. A John Fogarty song that John Fogarty has created is owned by him - no company, legal firm or court ruling can create a John Fogerty song - only John Fogerty can. Case Closed. (P.S. - John, you are also an amazing singer and guitarist - really one of the most talented individuals in the history of rock and roll!).
@RATED Saul basically screwed them all.
Great stuff John! 60s n 70s best music! Keep it going!
Sing em out John --- they are your songs. And cause you sang them for us and we loved them --- they are ours too.
Good for you John Fogerty, a victory over Fantasy well overdue !!! -
It was a win for all recording artists! - Thanks for sharing the video with us -
Can't wait to see you at the Nokia Theater doin' Cosmo's Factory, HEY TONIGHT ! -
Keep On Chooglin' !
ummm I can't stop laughing at the boopp boop examples lol
Would have loved to be on that jury!!! Would have awarded you legal fees too!
Well done John F - you deserve much more than you get but we all appreciate you for surexx
It's as stupid as Neil Young sued for not sounding enough like Neil Young...
I have those 2 albums...they were weak. not worth the money.
Jimmy Fallon does Neil Young better than Neil Young does Neil Young
@@justina249 haha...if you say so
@@dannobles4299 i seen that on a comment once when Jimmy did s Neil Young skit. Cracked me up
The one thumbs down on this video must've been that ratfink Saul Zaentz.
big deal, only retards click the thumbs anyways
Ping Pong
I guess you don't get a whole lotta clicks huh?
It's what they do for their livings. Haters they're called
@DIRTYBOB59 Bingo!
DIRTYBOB59 says the man with Charles Manson as his avatar/icon.
John is the best. He was Creedence. Seeing him at Beacon at end of tour. So happy for him
Anthony Gair I miss his brother Tom and the rest of CCR, but John is phenomenal...
The music industry lives in a BIZZARO world very few of us can comprehend.
I think an absurdity has gone unnoticed here. Had the publisher that sued Fogerty won the case, then Fogerty would have been required to pay the publisher who in turn would have been required to pay half of the judgment to the aggrieved writer who wrote the original song, "Run Through the Jungle." That writer of couse was the defendant, Fogerty. The moral here for this and many other reasons I won't go into is that if you record your own songs and if it is at all possible, publish them yourself. A publisher's job is to get the song recorded which Fogerty surely didn't need but I suppose his giving up the publishing was part of the Creedence record deal. Many years ago when I made my first recording a music person "offered" to publish a song I wrote that was on the record. I wasn't all that savvy but had better sense than to give away half of my song. It has since been recorded by several acts and although I didn't get rich I got 100% of the royalties rather than the 50% I would have got had I accepted that generous offer.
So much respect for this man because he didn't allow himself to be stepped on by soul sucking no talent charlatans.
This video ought to be shown as a lesson in any school that has even a small but sort of legit music curriculum.
I love ya’ John 😂🤣😂🙄Keep on Rockin’ ....fine man, fine father, great musician !!
Tan lindo John Fogerty Desde 1969 🥰🥰🥰🥰👍👍👍👍
Thanks John saw you two years ago great show. I love run through the jungle I hope you can make peace and perform it again.
The first two CCR albums and songs from the others are so much better than his solo work. And the Duckee Market still exists.
So Incredible and Unbelievable!!! Wow !!!
It's really pathetic that any legal system lets something like this go to court.
Criminal to steal and accuse the victim.
Fantasy Records should be forced to hand over mechanical copyrights on ALL Creedence and Blue Ridge Rangers recordings to John Fogarty - FREE, GRATIS!
Wait a minute.... Free & Gratis mean the same thing.... Or are you being redundant on purpose? Reremember that to next time OK?
@@stlbusker3025 The words do mean the same, yes, but, due to common practice the two words are often thrown together in a sentence as if to strengthen each other's meaning, to emphasise each other's meaning.
John Fogerty is not someone to be messed with.
LOL... wish I could have been in court to witness the computer geek do his thing. :)
Disney sued Saul Zaentz for being a copyright infringement of Scrooge McDuck.
START A PETITION PEOPLE against those in the industry who have done him wrong for profit.
Some parts of the music industry, really do stink to high heaven of infected shit! The mean spirited, petty minded bullshit which is prevalent in certain facets of it make you sick to the pit of your stomach...!!! Keep on rockin' John!!!
Money money money is what makes the world go round but money money money also makes the world go down
John Fogerty speaking about music publishing made me immediately think of Badfinger. They were ripped off big time by the management side of music. A very sad ending for Pete Ham and Tom Evans as a result.
Phil sloan
Taken to court for being similar to himself, or sounding like himself what a great waste of his time and not to mention all the songs we missed when he couldnt or wouldnt play due to contract shit, 5year deals and golden chains, crazy
They sound nothing alike, actually; even with the same tone and tuning. You want to hear a bunch of songs sound EXACTLY the same, listen to ANY country song in the last five years.
sirroxalot
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
They HAVE a similar vibe/feel, but musically totally different and in different keys!
Heck that's so funny, the computer story
It's a good feeling to know John finally got the last laugh. Happy for you my man.
14 Top-40 songs - 1969-1971. That was Fogerty. Not Fantasy Records or CCR.
John has an uncanny resemblance to himself!
Actually sounds more like Born on the Bayou. Ridiculous. He loves that E7 drone. What jerks.
So sad are things in life, WE as music Lovers Have been deprived of what John could have and should Have been able to record his Song writing and Musical composition's are still to this day are the prelude to a better feeling threw out our day
DAM THE MACHINE
New music artists need an agent just like sport figures do, so they can avoid all the rip off legal contracts they need to sign to distribute their music in retail markets. Either that or start there own publishing company from the get go, even before they start gigging.
What a heart breaking story, especially as a songwriter myself!
John is the best storyteller-in his songs and describing real events. Everyone can relate to the preposterous nature of the suit and the hilarious vindication in court: computerized Fogarty: WHAT!
Greed is really something special
Doesn't matter if it sounds like you, you wrote the song's... So these guys are living off of you
It's always about "the money , root of all evil.
The parasites moved in to feed on and kill the art.
Which song do you like better? As a song I like the "old man" one better - especially for the guitar work. I do wish it was recorded with CCR circa 1970 - I love that sound they had at the time. The 80's solo stuff always bugs me somehow, kinda digital sounding, can't put my finger on it. But I don't hold it against John, I hold it against modern technology. So grateful for this awesome artist.
I noticed that as well - electronic drums were fairly new, and John used it quite a bit on his Centerfield album. He used track recording to put each instrument and the vocals on, layered on from individual takes. I still like the album a lot, though. I enjoy his follow-up album "Eye of the Zombie" even more, and that one featured some session musicians to give more of a "jam" type of feeling and fullness to the recordings.
I appreciate John Fogerty explaining why he sounds like John Fogerty.
Now, let "Fantasy" records explain why their name sounds similar to the Disney animation "Fantasia".
Disney could've also sued Saul Zaentz for being a copyright infringement of Scrooge McDuck.
"The bad guys." It's not like they haven't made a sh*tload of money off him and CCR already. I worked at a record label and publishing companies. I'm on the artist and songwriter's side, I don't care if it's John Fogerty or John Doe. These companies are like a necessary evil to help launch careers & often w/bad contracts. At the end of the day, most people could do what they do, but most people CANNOT do what the singer/songwriters do and inspire thousands that come after them. That's why these companies keep leaching on. How can you steal something that you still half-own?