Sye Ten Bruggencate vs atheist Justin Schieber
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
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10:00 JS "well on a fundamental level it's not changing, x is still x at the end of the day"
After he spent the first 10 minutes trying to argue provable absolutes don't exist. And then at 11:07 "they're (logic) statements, they are dependent on a thinking mind".
I Defene atheism is those who Pretend God Does not Exist. Brother' Sye as again destroyed atheism.
I love it when atheists cite Occam’s Razor in an attempt to defend their view or refute an argument for God. Occam’s Razor is named after William of Occam, a Catholic theologian and apologist. Lol.
The principle itself has nothing to do with Catholicism, theology or apologetics, so you're making an irrelevant observation.
@@betsalprince It's just a bit ironic, don't you think? Atheists citing a theist to argue against theism?
I'm holding a gun .. How do you know you're holding a gun? Because everytime I raise it to your head, you move out of the way!
Not if you're a brain in a vat or in a simulation
Oooh.. Sye lacks empathy. That's why he clings to god for morality and he assumes others are immoral without appealing to a god for authority like he is. Many people who lack empathy believe ones who do claim to have empathy are simply lying, because empathy is not something they can see, or feel. Because in their view ,if people actually have empathy, then why do they still do selfish things ?
What is empathy?
What is empathy to you?
Presups don't assume Atheists can't be moral. That's a common misunderstanding. Presup is arguing everyone is born knowinng the objective moral standards, including Atheists
What presups are arguing is: Atheists ARE moral, just like everyone else, but if their worldview were true then there wouldn't be any objective moral standards.
So the argument is Atheists are moral *but their worldview can't justify it*
A - God is true because it has been revealed in the bible in a way we know it can't be wrong, Q - What about god deceiving people in the bible?
Sye - I don't do bible studys with Atheists...
Classic Sye dodge
You must not know what dodge means, and obviously too stupid to recognize a loaded question fallacy.
Jesus didn’t share anything with people he didn’t trust.
YEP !!!!! It's his cowardly escape hatch !
These presup debates are so easy. The denial of position results in contradiction. We don't win as presups because we're more intelligent or better debaters. It's because we're right.
Putting aside whether denial of the presup argument results in contradiction, one could also simply state that the assertions have not met their burden of evidence which is not a denial but rather a suspension of affirmation one way or the other.
@@frostitutemcnuggets1947 No, it's denial of the Christian worldview which entails contradiction. Having any worldview other than the Christian worldview entails that the person doing so will necessarily be contradicting themselves.
@@frostitutemcnuggets1947 Regarding the accusation that presup doesn't meet its burden of evidence... this is false.
Presup uses a reductio ad absurdum proof on its opponent's worldview to demonstrate it entails contradiction.
Doing that wins the debate, given its a worldview / paradigm debate... which means both sides have an equal burden to provide argumentation (with justification) for why their worldview is more rational than the opposition.
Presups do a reductio ad absurdum on their opponent's worldview to demonstrate it can't justify knowledge, rational thought, intelligibility, the uniformity of nature (required to do science), laws of logic, and much more.
Given these are all things that are required to engage in debate in the first place, it means their opponent is contradicting themselves. They're making knowledge claims while simultaneously defending a worldview that says they can't make knowledge claims. They're presupposing the laws of logic while simultaneously defending a worldview that says they can't justify the laws of logic, etc.
@@lightbeforethetunnel Can you prove that every other worldview possible will lead to a contradiction?
@@lightbeforethetunnel I'm not connecting the dots about your burden of evidence rebuttal. This isn't just two sides you realize right? There are an uncountable many worldviews that you'd have to try your funny little trick on. Maybe one of them won't reduce to absurdity. Or how about a worldview with only a single view? That would show trivially that not all worldviews have contradictions because by definition a world view with only one view has no other statement to conflict with.
What you need is a knockdown argument showing that every worldview logically reduces to absurdity and you can't do that one by one because you can do that until the end of time and get nowhere.
Sye swept the floor with him
@Siebert Lemel you obviously didn't understand the argument.
Same old previously refuted crap from Sye.
Lol the didn’t have an answer for anything sye said.
@@jman8771 Sure did skippy. Sye's argument is so laughably bad I left it to the reader's imagination.
Frostitute McNuggets lol I’ve never heard any refutation to the presup argument. To be honest the atheist arguments amount to nothing but scoffing. That’s laughable
@@jman8771 I think that's because you weren't looking very hard. I think you like argument's conclusion so you didn't really bother to actually check if the nonsense Sye is spewing holds up to even a little bit of scrutiny. That part isn't laughable, I think it's sad.
@@frostitutemcnuggets1947 don't know what you were listening to. The guy kept just wanting to move on to another topic when he was stuck. The things the atheist said had me laughing. His worldview was reduced to absurdity.