Statement: We are in a power creep Meta right now since the talent overhaul. If you build properly, you have enough damage to deal with every threat. The best support you can give to your team is killing stuff instead of stunlocking it.
As someone who often finds themselves pulled toward support style builds in many games, and as a psyker main... IMO a "support psyker" is just a dps psyker that runs bubble shield. You'll support your team better by just killing things than you will by smiting, except in a few very specific scenarios such as your team getting pushed in by armor and they all forget that they have grenades and class abilities (but hey, it happens sometimes lol).
Literally this. I started playing at the talent Overhaul and after I moved to auric I realized that it's better to kill them or pump out damage then stun them
Hey Tanner, excellent points! Thanks a bunch for the shout-out, compliments, and featuring my content! I share a similar sentiment regarding Smite. I actually hate Smite, and you pinpointed the reason it's in my featured build. *Taking Assail would lock out Psykinetic's Aura*, Surge Staff makes Brain Rupture redundant in most cases, therefore I’m left with the middle child called Smite lol. There are situations where Smite is the only thing in existence that will save a run, but those moments aren’t too common. The simple fact is that unaliving enemies is a *far* superior form of CC than stun, so unless the use of Smite is better than any option available at that given moment, you’re better off dealing damage.
Calm, collected explanation that forgoes the usual insults of your older vids instead for grounded backed up arguments that are strong enough for their implications to be insult enough while teaching the audience about how the game works and how they can preform better in it. THIS is what we need more of and what I was hoping to see most when I first stumbled across this channel. Fantastic video, heres to hoping you continue this approach going forward so more people (even those more flashy build video makers) take in your advice and carry it so they become common knowledge in the darktide community. Excellent job, will definitely share this in his and wet magics discord
Don't know if Tanner will really take this to heart but this is also far more what I prefer. When one throws insults and rants, it comes off as strangely personal and emotionally charged. And there's no real need for that in 90% of situations, especially over a video game. If you do read this, do please consider the thoughts above. I very much enjoyed this genuinely measured response in comparison to some of the other content.
14:33 I just want to point out that brutal momentum is capped at 4 targets. It isn't written in the blessing description, but your attacks with brumentum do not loose damage and stagger up to 4 first targets, then starts loosing them as usual. Telepots has a video on this. So "infinite cleave" is probable an overstatement. Maybe in situations in game it feels like it but technically power sword's with brumentum cleave is not infinite. Unless there is some hidden interaction.
It is still effectively infinite cleave. if you're deleting multiple hordies and elites in oneshot it doesnt matter that you don't hit the 16th target on the light swing of an m6 powersword.
Hahaha I had the same impression but decided to keep an open mind. Most things he says sound elitist as hell, but the difference is he actually teaches people how to become elite and leave their crutches behind. Personally I can't have anything but appreciation for that. I went from being stuck exclusively in malice for over a year to solo challenging bosses on damnation in a about a week. In a month or two I hope to improve enough to regularly run auric malestrom. He atac, but he also uplift.
@@TannerLindberg Definitely taught me a lot more about this game than any other darktide youtuber. Actually helping me get better instead of just stagnating.
@@tannermullins8985Same here. I decided to pop back into Darktide again this semester and started looking for content on RUclips and stumbled across his Vet Melee Tier List, and immediately became hooked on the no-bullshit, straight to the point attitude, even if it's being approached from a level of competitiveness and skill that is beyond me. But at the same time, it's definitely rubbing off on me, because between the small adjustments to my builds and playstyle, as well as just general information on how different parts of the game work in more detail, these videos have already massively helped me as far as improving. My goal is to finish getting at least my Psyker, Vet, and Zealot to 30, then get some decent yellow gear and start trying to work up to Auric Maelstrom. I managed to get to Legend, almost Cata, in the matter of a month of playing Vermintide 2 solely by trial and error and learning the game by myself, and I fucking loved it. This game kind of made my head spin at first coming from a V2 perspective and seeing how different things are despite feeling similar, but now I feel like I have all the tools I need - I just have to put them to practice, refine my skills, and make them habit.
@@TannerLindbergyep, youre for sure wrong on this one, you presented your opinion as objective fact, in just one day of playing i have 1200 kills alone with smite...... But yea its useless right?
I use Smite pretty much exclusively as Gunpsyker, and only to force Bulwarks to drop their shields or to buy a bit of space to quickswitch back to the Maccabian 4 or Columnus and resume poking eyeballs.
Is it worth giving up the dps from the brainburst proc while shooting your autogun or the horde clear from assail though? You can use both to open up a bulwark if push comes to shove too. Not trying to shit on you or anything, but I love lightning aesthetics and have been trying to make smite work and I've been unsuccessful in making it more useful than either of the other two blitzes
@@Alex-gn6ii Assail doesn't do anything my Autogun doesn't and Brain Burst only staggers one, while Smite can stagger up to six and open them up to getting cut down.
@@Alex-gn6ii If you go assail you can't take psykinetic aura which is probably the best point in the entire tree, and for assail to be effective at horde clear you pretty much have to grab the pierce talent. Brain burst with kinetic flayer is kind of a trap talent, like wildfire, in that it looks at least decent but 99% of the time it's just gonna help you kill a poxwalker slightly faster.
Smite runs into the same brick wall as many weapons and skills in horde games do - why toss enemies around when you can just kill them? DRG is solving this by allowing DoTs and CC tools synergize between weapons AND classes, and best VT2 "defensive" weapons are the ones that do both at the same time, like Hammer+Shield, Crowbill or all Flails
He even writes out storm, I'm positive it's just a running joke. Either because of these replies or because storm (raining) males (men) or something. Edit: he messes up at 21:12 and says it correctly
I made a new Psyker profile recently, I saw Brain Burst more than Smite on Heresy. As for Assail, I only really saw it while leveling up in Malice, Voidstrike seems to be the much more popular ranged damage option. Meanwhile, I predominantly use Purgatus and Trauma staves along with Brain Burst.
The worst thing I see with smite is when a spread out horde is smited and someone runs in to kill them, creating a U shape around them, then the smiter hits 100 peril, is forced to stop smiting and it makes the U shape collapse around the person in the horde. I've seen cause a down a few times. Also 12:00 he has his ult up and has wall, he can literally just drop the wall, swap to his staff and kill them safely. It's crazy just how many times smite is used and its not just bad, its actively detrimental.
They need to change Smite. The problem with all Psyker abilities is that they're all infinite use. This creates balance issues that in turn encourage FS to make the Psyker abilities weak compared to other classes. Now while the other classes _do_ have ways to make up for this - Ogryn Rock, Vet nade recharge and Zealot knives, each one of those either requires additional talents or is limited to single targets.
Thats exactly the peoblem with smite. Instead of fighting things naturally you have these weird moments where you dont know to engage or not engage cuz you know that smite is gonna stop eventually.
I really enjoy this type of video where you look at someone's gameplay and critic on what they're doing wrong/how they could improve it. I know it's not your original intent when making this video but i found it very helpful nonetheless. Should do more videos in that style imo.
As someone relatively new to the tide series your videos have helped me go from a pretty shitty player to someone who could reliably play in maelstrom difficulty and even auric if I try hard enough (even if the mk5 iag is carrying a lot of my weight). Just wanted to ask if you ever intend to post a video about ogryn builds or how to play ogryns at a higher level?
Firstly, whenever i used smite i [wrongly] would expect my team to be able to take advantage of it... But it usually can't happen in the most important times. And as you addressed, it can create situations where the team has to compensate greatly and spread their focus more. It preps slowly, it spreads slowly, it damages slowly, makes one move slowly, and makes the team slower. I've gotta try out that trauma staff build.
100% agree that all of the Psyker blitzes are great tools and all have their situations. Nothing really problematic about any of them. Smite is on the center tree which, from top to bottom, provides good support (though I'd say you'd be much better off cutting over to warp charges for the bubble upkeep). Smite is a great tool for keeping your run from getting overwhelmed, but it does require buy-in from your mates. I don't use smite at all because I think brain rupture is fantastic with bubble and warp charges, but my friend does and he loves it but struggles with certain situations where smite is more of a liability.
was running an Auric Maelstrom the other day with three newer players, one of the guys though assumed the role of game guru and started teaching the other two players, as he'd gotten a two characters to level 30 (I'll let that sink in) he was a die hard smite psyker, never played vet or ogryn despite having plenty of opinions on their utility. In between mopping up monstrous specialist I was constantly being summoned back to deal with single dogs and mutants this guy had locked in his smite and was crying out for the team to make the kill I mean...what? if you weren't smiting these enemies and were learning how they moved and behaved you could deal with them largely without help.
Really good video, I agree with basically everything you said. When I originally viewed that video I was thinking about your psyker tree breakdown and what you said. This person, while seeming nice enough, doesn't actually know a whole lot about what they're talking about. In another video by them, they basically said "all weapons are good if you just lower the difficultly so that's why the meta isn't real" which is certainly a take of all time. I've gotten so much better at the game because of your vids please keep them up!
Focus on the center more. It does waaaay more in the center like most explosions in Darktide. Also you can use it to get small enemies off of teammates so they can focus on damage.
Sit in the middle of your squad and don't forget you have a primary fire ranged attack with excellent suppression and unlimited ammo. Use more than just the alt fire and the staff gains even more versatility. Using the staff in more than one way or for more than one kind of scenario in a run made it a lot more fun for me
Smite is only somewhat good at being 'support' if youre also running venting shriek. Perilous combustion has some nutty interaction with smite when theres a mixed hoard with a lot of ragers. But thats a super specific scenario. Funny yes, but happens maybe once in a blue moon.
I use smite on shooter squads that are dug in. Combine that with the shield so you can actually get in range and you’ll actually be supporting your team when you need it. I use it also with the void staff so I can cover all ranges. It’s nice for saving guys that are surrounded. It’s a nice safety net for when shit gets crazy imo.
27:56 I just recently got my first character (psyker) to level 30, and I did try smite on Heresy twice with dome shield. We just barely made it out of one mission and failed the other. The moment I tried brain burst and shield, we mopped the floor because I could use my voidstrike for CC and brain burst for the surgical single target damage, while protecting my team with dome shield's 360 gunner protection and extra toughness buffs.
Had a similar experience. I found that while the insane CC is strong the dps/aoe CC i give up for it makes it not worth it. I run fire staff (instead of trauma cause i like fire)with brain burst build and bubble because i like a support CC pysker instead of smite because i can do what smite does with the fire staff but also with DPS and more effective CC and aoe
I started playing with assail because i needed horde clear and not cc and that changed everything. I like the cc but the damage is awful and smite isnt always useful but im constantly using assail. Smite is too situational for me. I much prefer surge staff assail and dueling sword as opposed to smite.
This is interesting content. Providing alternative viewpoints helps to clear up misconceptions, which helps us to further improve our competence in this game.
I used Smite once, AND I HATED IT. They took a perfectly good staff, turned it into a fancy taser and gave its old crowd control ability to something that is arguably second only to the Veteran's smoke grenade in terms of sheer worthlessness, and the smoke grenade manages to have the basic decency of not being dependent on a keystone talent in order to do more damage to all enemies in general than the light attacks of a MK1 combat knife do against literally anything in carapace armor.
It’s even worse than you described about losing firepower in the team. You’re actually losing half of it, because what I see in games is not only is the psyker not doing damage, but another teammate has to cover their ass, because when they’re smiting they can barely walk. But hey, at least they don’t blow themselves up like the assail users /s
Re: Attrition I think I get what he's trying to say. Regular groups take longer to clear rooms, but they also don't know how to dodge maulers and crushers and they're less aware of spawns (i.e. more likely to get ambushed, also don't move together). So during any end-event, imagine their team is repositioning to another objective and a wave of shotgunners or maulers catches out their zealot in front with low stamina. This quickplay zealot without stamina regen curios doesn't consider or can't run away and gets cornered. Because that zealot already messed up by mispositioning, they're going to get shot/whacked and lose health, be forced to use nades, panic-spam their flamer, etc. In this situation smite is an essentially free mistake corrector which stuns the elites, allows the zealot "breathing room/time to breathe" and allows your team to just melee them down without even costing ammo. It would cost a lot more resources to your zealot (and ogryn as he sees it unfolding and starts using his own resources), than just pausing this car-crash in motion and fixing it. If it were to happen more than once, your team might just run out of stuff and wipe. Would a plain better group like you and your friends just never end up in this situation or simply outplay it? Absolutely. Offense is the best defense, and this problem of attrition only occurs with slower groups that make lots of mistakes.
Local angry twink loses his mind that there are players out there that don't want to deal with everything optimally all the time. The fact that the game gives less skilled players a tool to easily deal with a difficult situation by just holding one button drives him mad and it's hilarious. So what if smite kills a horde 4 times slower than just melee or trauma spam, what are you going to do with those extra 3 minutes it took to finish the run?
the problem with this scenario played out, or what happens a bunch in public games and what guy is talking about, is that it isn't used for oh shit moments and course correction. You will often see it ENTIRELY too much and in ways that are either woefully ineffective or even counter-effective. The guy will and does admit that smite is actually good in the scenarios it is good in. It can save runs if you use it correctly. That doesn't magically make smiting for 22 minutes effective or good at all when it was really only useful for 2 of them. They mention taking it over brainburst for some builds for this reason. Gunker and Void Bubble take it because they need the node between it and BB and for those builds, 1 point smite is actually better than BB. The reality is though, even after a clutch moment of smite breathing room, the actually clutch and effective option is for those builds and in general is to kill/kite their way out of the bad situation. Smite doesn't punch that ticket. My 22/2minutes example obviously uses numbers I just made up, but if it doesn't bring immediately to mind the actual in-game examples of what I'm talking about; I do not believe you play the game with public matchmaking on relevant difficulties. Or you're clueless. Or you're the smite psyker who really thinks they are doing a lot, but really aren't. And the last two are the same.
That was a really good critical analysis. Not as toxic as I hoped, can't win 'em all. Now hopefully I can convince my smite addicted friend to change his ways.
I have suche a intense hatred for people that spam smite because it doesnt make the game boring it makes the game unbearably slow you have to constantly run up to enemys that would normally get to you and the worst things is most of the time they dont smite in chokes but just outside of them so it takes 10 times longer to kill everything and holy moly when they smite stuff that has yet to spawn i wish i could grab them through the screen and strangle them let the freaking spawns get here so i can actually kill them so they dont stab me in the back when you eventually reach full peril and die in the 2 seconds it takes to quell
I like brain burst more and would play with it, if mind in motion was accessible. Maybe a skill issue but I struggle to play Psyker without mind in motion to quell on the move.
I used to use smite all the time in damnation because my friends didn't want me to be "malice locked" and it was either die all the time or use a crutch. Then i picked up a columnus and played pubs on malice or heresy not damnation, with brainburst and now, after learning the game, i dont have a single build with smite. Its just... Not fun, if i wanna support i bring a voidstrike and use a shield. Staggering crushers and cleaving hordes is far better support than clicking and hoping your team deals with a handful of enemies provided you're good enough to survive After watching the video fully, my thoughts havent changed but i will say it is kinda nice giving a visual warning of I AM POPPING THE BURSTER, but i dont think its worth using for that alone. Just dont deal with the burster, or deal with it before someone else might
Just get the money with a voidstrike in the meantime. Easy to use, decent damage even without perfect blessings (simply get the best base rating possible)
There is a bery real use case for dealing with armour (bulwark, crusher, mauler) while cornered. If you have room to kite i would maintain that all the staves can clear any number of ogryns. If you dont have room to kite but can get them in a choke then trauma can deal with any number still, surge pribably caps out at like 5-6, voidstrike caps at like 2-3, and purgatus takes half an hour to kill them but staggers them well so is basically just a slightly improved smite anyway. Smite here can fill in that gap on surge (for a crazy number of armoured enemies, like 7+) and voidstrike (4+). Gun psyker it depends on the loadout but you will still cap out on the number of ogryns you can deal with before needing to swap to smite. At the point you use smite you basically hope that your team can help out, or it lets you shimmy away and get back to kiting. Its a last resort tool against excessive amounts of armour when you can't kite it. Also makes waves of dogs and waves of bursters kinda trivial to deal with.
I hate the way you talk like you just sat down after a 20 Km marathon and when people stop a video they're reacting to, just to say "No it's not", but I agree with basically all your points and I'm happy someone put some of these balance and game design thoughts into words. Epic vid, gamer.
I'd enjoy smite a lot more if it was just an AoE damage ability akin to some of the grenades from other classes. Maybe have it be a charge and release attack wherein the longer it's charged to a maximum; the more damage and AoE it'd have (like the trauma staff). It could serve as a means off chaff enemy deletion where you'd charge it up, let it go, and it'd cascade through the horde, bursting weak enemies like water balloons, leaving behind the tougher, more problematic opponents to be mopped up by you and your team. I think this would make it synergize nicely with the surge staff as well, which is kinda cool because it'd encourage players to go all-in on a lightning build (neat). The charge time, peril generation, number of effected enemies, and supporting nodes would probably all need to be tweaked for this to work well, but I don't think smite can be made good without a comprehensive rework anyway. Anyways, nice video, Tanner! All your points were good and well-substantiated. Hope things are well for you and those you love, goodbye.
Joining the convo late, but great analysis. As an occasional smiter, it's just not a good blitz. It is boring in easier scenarios, but it's actualy detrimental because you're only stunning while building peril. You aren't actually dealing with the threat, you're just delaying the inevitable. You're right, you are simply hoping someone else does the damage that you aren't doing. I run it only when we're meming and want "Palpatine Hands." "LIMITED POWER!!!" It needs to be reworked or replaced. If it's damage, well, the surge did that, so that doesn't seem to resolve it. If it's more support-related, you're still stuck with the problem (enemeis) still exists, so the support would have to be *massive*. So do enemies affected take extra damage? Still relying on someone else to kill your targets. Smited enemies do less damage? Eh, most enemies that are dangerous are 1-2 shot killers. So less damage on them isn't really going to do much. Maybe an enemy health drain and provide toughness to allies? I just don't know. Seems smite was a means of taking existing assets and using them for the talent tree, since you already had them in the Surge Staff.
27:50 when I was leveling my psyker to 30 yes totally smite the heresy. For the last 5-10 levels went to damnation and it just got used less and less as I got better staff drops.
You know where smite is useful ? Stunning to cover teammate revive or fixing the servo-skull. Beside those 2 situation most staff do better. Since no zealot would bring stunstorm grenade or veteran have no shouting revival.
@@bonehed1 I've been using the voidstrike and trauma staff with it, and struggling to find a place to use Assail where I wouldn't just use the staffs instead. Thx. I'll try out gunpsyker
I'm too new to this game to tell something smart but summarizing this video, video about psyker skill tree and other people / content makers opinions I guess maybe smite just needs a rework? Maybe some ideas from other similar abilities of different games. For example, it could have a ramping up damage from tickling to smth serios (similar to dots) but slowing enemies instead of completely stunning them. At least I believe that it's easier to adjust percentages rather than radical stuned/not stuned. I like this ability very much and found Choco's smite video pretty cool however I can see the point why it's bad. Of course, thanks voidstrike exists which is very similar to my favorite fireball staff from vermintide. Still, I would be lying if I tell that I don't usually get back to smite to shot lightnings, I just like it
The only way to maximize smites value is to use ep smite with flame shriek then it becomes a decent option that's fun to use but honestly I wouldn't mind if it was reworked, its funny its called smite but it doesn't smite it just rapidly shocks things to death the surge staff is actually closer to what smiting something would be like in this case a powerful concentrated blast of lightning, its what I wish smite was instead of what it currently is.
@@infrared6973 Its up to you how you want to play if you want to kill a huge horde in 10 sec with venting shriek fine its a bit too slow for me Ill kill them in 3-4 sec with it combined with ep smite. And just in case you didn't know ep smite alone does more damage then venting shriek.
@@cryobomber8845 The only thing I ever see from smite is smite holding things rarely ever do i see clips of smite killing anything other than dogs and basic trash
About the precision of brain burst, you argue that you can use it to snipe elites in close proximity to a daemonhost, however i've already woken up (as in, the static levitating stance) and I wonder if it's because this ability has suppression, or if it's because of that talent that spreads soulblaze to nearby enemies on elite kill. Because of that, I've kinda refrained from using it that way because i was afraid of aggroing the thing
if you're visible to the demonhost while your screen is iced up you'll generate aggro with kills even if they're nowhere near the dh. going behind a wall after grabbing a head fixes that to an extent. Soulblaze doesnt spread to dh unless you shriek at it.
Yeah you can definitely wake up a host from spread i did that the other day and i was nowhere near it. You can bb things around the host thought cuz alot of the times me clearing those enemies first is how he we past them
I just had a game running trauma staff alongside a purgatos and smite user. Guess who of us killed the most horde/lesser enemies? and killed the most specials/elite?. The Ogryn! But second behind the Ogryn was me with Trauma. I was basically kill stealing the horde held by smite. Strangely damage output the Purgatos did the most. Out of us. There was much in it mind.
smite should be changed for a new ability that gives team mates scriers gaze like buff for as long as you can stack it. then it might count as support.
I think people feel like smite is super good because when a Psyker starts using it, people feel like a huge weight is off their shoulders because the whole wave stops and they can breathe.
At 27:57 reminded me the one time I'd tried to use Smite on a Heresy Investigation mission . NEVER again am I doing that, not even halfway through the mission I saw the issues surrounding Smite . We still got through the mission in the end but for me at least , if I was using something else besides Smite I feel like it wouldn't be as hard as it was at the time .
@@TannerLindberg good point, i did not consider it at first, but now i see it.. maybe only having like 1 sec smite, then push at the end like it does now.. while also having higher peril generation to not make it spammable..
@@assasir2905Move +1 chain to empowered psionics, remove damage buff, change damage from other sources to 20%, change +1 chain node to 2 second longer stun after stopping smite. Reduce damage overall. Players need to realize it is not a damage ability, it's to stun elites.
I want to open by expressing my appreciation for your channel. I don't get a lot of time to play so like to fill my downtime with educational content on the games I play. I'm very sorry to hear that you have been targeted by hate recently. I can see why some people may take issue with the some of the language you use when you make your points but I'm old enough to be able to see the point you make and the logic you present to make it. This gives the knowledge I need to make more educated decisions in game and is exactly what I've been looking for. I've seen and tried builds created by some content creators that are extremely underwhelming or just seem off from the choices they've made and I'm very glad to find someone who's opinion I feel I can respect. I know you've name dropped some people here and there but I'm wondering if there's a list somewhere of other content creators you can recommend to someone who's looking to get better at the game and doesn't have the time to perform the kind of testing that you've done.
Players don't always optimize the fun out of the game unless it is ridiculously difficult, esp in a PvE game. Especially with Warhammer fans. A lot of people role play just cause they feel it is more fun.
Eh, I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Just use it like you would use a grenade - situationally. Problem is that people just mindlessly spam it as if it were their main tool for dealing with hordes. If Zealots had access to infinite or regenerating stun grenades, you bet you would see in pubs the same kind of behavior even though stun grenades are perfectly fine the way they are.
I’m a psyker main. I despise smite. In my opinion it’s just not good. It doesn’t have range and it locks you into one spot that doesn’t let you actually kill what is the highest threat. I will take brain burst every day of the week over smite.
Edited comment I’m changing this comment so it’s more interesting Smite brain burst assail Smite crowd control, but kind of shit Assail throw it and pray Brain burst, I see you sniper you’re going to die I just had a game with me using brain burst fully boosted with kinetic flare and kinetic residence I killed multiple snipers, multiple gunners, and if I didn’t kill the snipers, my three ogryns at the time would’ve been murdered There were also way too many belly bursters But that’s maelstrom auric for you Weapons at that time Green Cadia mk XIIIg assault chainsword Transcendent Trauma staff with Warp flurry 3 And Terrifying barrage 4 So eight meteor radius on close range kill Work out pretty good should’ve used soul stealer so that I could get more toughness from using my war abilities, but I wanted to keep the crit from metal giving me replenishment and speed But soul stealer definitely would’ve been a much better pick for this
SMITE should be removed, end of story. ( I am new to tide games with darktide being my first game started few months ago. Other things that should be removed are stealth, smoke nades. Classes should be balanced and there should be reverse lock on higher level joining lower difficulties in public games. You shouldn't be able to solo a game on any difficulty with any class. It's unchallenging, non coop and a dumb game when I know my class can solo entire game and I don't need teammates. There are many single player games, why people wanna play a coop game to solo? )
I think smite is worth bringing only with the surge staff because of the 2 target cap, and is to be used in only 4 situations, when backed into a corner, defending a person on interrogator/reviving and during a horde when a poxburster is in the group (non improved smite is capped at 18 targets), and in terms of difficulty surge smite performs very well in non damnation auric because you charge into groups by spamming fast attack with the staff for ranged immunity but the uncapped damage of trauma staff makes it superior in maelstorm, you can't just run alongside a zoomer zealot and zerg everything down. People need to start considering clear times and how do certain abilities affect the damage output of the entire group instead of looking at personal damage numbers
if you are backed into a corner hold block and politely excuse yourself from the corner. ive done this so many times cos my map knowledge is shite and it works. doesnt matter if its a pox horde or mixed. just block push occasional dodge til are free and move again.
There are a few places where you transition from one section of the map to another and are greeted by a narrow hallway with a horde waiting for you after the door opens, just holding smite as the door opens is generally a good idea so nothing runs into your team. Also you can't push away 5 crushers that are body blocking you (but trauma staff solves all these problems and why I don't run surge/smite in maelstorm)@@kudosbudo
If youre playing with smite and surge and a dueling sword you dont have any horde clear which is prt of the reason why so many smite psykers go down and get swarmed.
Yeah, I tried smite for a few games and never came back. It's simply inferior to other option, might be the worst blitz in the game even, even smoke nade has something interesting going for it.
"Holding things still and hoping that people come to your rescue is -- I don't know any support player who'd like that. Maybe like someone's girlfriend who only plays on sedition is into that kind of thing..." Yeaaaaah, I know a few people who fit that exact bill.
I just got into Darktide, and I have absolutely zero context fr most of these discussions... I'm just amazed what level of autism it is that this janky, non-competitive, overly-simple PvE horde shooter is somehow deserving of TWO half-hour analytical dissertations in the implications of a single in-game ability.
Eh, I agree with a lot of what you said, but not with the game being overy-simple. There's a lot of hidden and/or poorly explained mechanics coming into play at the same time, and the ways they synergize and combine can be complicated enough. I'm an average scrub who comes home after work and uni, plays like three games and calls it a night, so I'm grateful for people like Tanner and jtc who dig deep.
This "Overly-simple" PvE horde shooter seem kinda hard to most regular plebs I encounter. I'm not talking about the level 30-50 who instantly die the moment they enter auric games: even most level 500+ psykers I meet trend to blast themselves, unable to manage peril; solo stealth zealot manage to die with the most unkillable/safest build since they want to speedrun but only speedrun their own ragequit. It sounds hateful but I love them all xD I just wonder how some people can have so many hours and still not know the basics of the game.
theres 1 easter egg hidden in this video btw. reply if you think you found it im curios who the nebby people are.
since the topic is smite are you referring to smite the video game
Statement: We are in a power creep Meta right now since the talent overhaul. If you build properly, you have enough damage to deal with every threat. The best support you can give to your team is killing stuff instead of stunlocking it.
Trauma Staff mentioned! This is a Victory for the OGs.
As someone who often finds themselves pulled toward support style builds in many games, and as a psyker main... IMO a "support psyker" is just a dps psyker that runs bubble shield. You'll support your team better by just killing things than you will by smiting, except in a few very specific scenarios such as your team getting pushed in by armor and they all forget that they have grenades and class abilities (but hey, it happens sometimes lol).
Literally this. I started playing at the talent Overhaul and after I moved to auric I realized that it's better to kill them or pump out damage then stun them
Hey Tanner, excellent points! Thanks a bunch for the shout-out, compliments, and featuring my content! I share a similar sentiment regarding Smite.
I actually hate Smite, and you pinpointed the reason it's in my featured build. *Taking Assail would lock out Psykinetic's Aura*, Surge Staff makes Brain Rupture redundant in most cases, therefore I’m left with the middle child called Smite lol.
There are situations where Smite is the only thing in existence that will save a run, but those moments aren’t too common. The simple fact is that unaliving enemies is a *far* superior form of CC than stun, so unless the use of Smite is better than any option available at that given moment, you’re better off dealing damage.
Calm, collected explanation that forgoes the usual insults of your older vids instead for grounded backed up arguments that are strong enough for their implications to be insult enough while teaching the audience about how the game works and how they can preform better in it. THIS is what we need more of and what I was hoping to see most when I first stumbled across this channel. Fantastic video, heres to hoping you continue this approach going forward so more people (even those more flashy build video makers) take in your advice and carry it so they become common knowledge in the darktide community. Excellent job, will definitely share this in his and wet magics discord
Don't know if Tanner will really take this to heart but this is also far more what I prefer.
When one throws insults and rants, it comes off as strangely personal and emotionally charged. And there's no real need for that in 90% of situations, especially over a video game.
If you do read this, do please consider the thoughts above. I very much enjoyed this genuinely measured response in comparison to some of the other content.
Ok, saying “I don’t wanna be misconstrued as insulting, so I’m not gonna say it” literally right after saying it is just flat out strange man.
14:33 I just want to point out that brutal momentum is capped at 4 targets. It isn't written in the blessing description, but your attacks with brumentum do not loose damage and stagger up to 4 first targets, then starts loosing them as usual. Telepots has a video on this. So "infinite cleave" is probable an overstatement. Maybe in situations in game it feels like it but technically power sword's with brumentum cleave is not infinite. Unless there is some hidden interaction.
It is still effectively infinite cleave. if you're deleting multiple hordies and elites in oneshot it doesnt matter that you don't hit the 16th target on the light swing of an m6 powersword.
Thought at first you were a douche, but your statements are always right and on point.
Hahaha I had the same impression but decided to keep an open mind. Most things he says sound elitist as hell, but the difference is he actually teaches people how to become elite and leave their crutches behind. Personally I can't have anything but appreciation for that. I went from being stuck exclusively in malice for over a year to solo challenging bosses on damnation in a about a week. In a month or two I hope to improve enough to regularly run auric malestrom.
He atac, but he also uplift.
Im definitely not always right id hate life if i was
@@TannerLindberg Definitely taught me a lot more about this game than any other darktide youtuber. Actually helping me get better instead of just stagnating.
@@tannermullins8985Same here. I decided to pop back into Darktide again this semester and started looking for content on RUclips and stumbled across his Vet Melee Tier List, and immediately became hooked on the no-bullshit, straight to the point attitude, even if it's being approached from a level of competitiveness and skill that is beyond me. But at the same time, it's definitely rubbing off on me, because between the small adjustments to my builds and playstyle, as well as just general information on how different parts of the game work in more detail, these videos have already massively helped me as far as improving. My goal is to finish getting at least my Psyker, Vet, and Zealot to 30, then get some decent yellow gear and start trying to work up to Auric Maelstrom. I managed to get to Legend, almost Cata, in the matter of a month of playing Vermintide 2 solely by trial and error and learning the game by myself, and I fucking loved it. This game kind of made my head spin at first coming from a V2 perspective and seeing how different things are despite feeling similar, but now I feel like I have all the tools I need - I just have to put them to practice, refine my skills, and make them habit.
@@TannerLindbergyep, youre for sure wrong on this one, you presented your opinion as objective fact, in just one day of playing i have 1200 kills alone with smite...... But yea its useless right?
I use Smite pretty much exclusively as Gunpsyker, and only to force Bulwarks to drop their shields or to buy a bit of space to quickswitch back to the Maccabian 4 or Columnus and resume poking eyeballs.
This is the way
Is it worth giving up the dps from the brainburst proc while shooting your autogun or the horde clear from assail though? You can use both to open up a bulwark if push comes to shove too. Not trying to shit on you or anything, but I love lightning aesthetics and have been trying to make smite work and I've been unsuccessful in making it more useful than either of the other two blitzes
@@Alex-gn6ii Assail doesn't do anything my Autogun doesn't and Brain Burst only staggers one, while Smite can stagger up to six and open them up to getting cut down.
@@Alex-gn6ii If you go assail you can't take psykinetic aura which is probably the best point in the entire tree, and for assail to be effective at horde clear you pretty much have to grab the pierce talent. Brain burst with kinetic flayer is kind of a trap talent, like wildfire, in that it looks at least decent but 99% of the time it's just gonna help you kill a poxwalker slightly faster.
Jtc was doing a big brain play to get BB buffed and u may have spoiled the plan
dont worry, fatshark don't watch people with strongly-worded criticism! the plan is still in motion
Smite runs into the same brick wall as many weapons and skills in horde games do - why toss enemies around when you can just kill them?
DRG is solving this by allowing DoTs and CC tools synergize between weapons AND classes, and best VT2 "defensive" weapons are the ones that do both at the same time, like Hammer+Shield, Crowbill or all Flails
MAELSTROM
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NOT STORM
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im going to keep saying maelstorm sorry
He even writes out storm, I'm positive it's just a running joke. Either because of these replies or because storm (raining) males (men) or something.
Edit: he messes up at 21:12 and says it correctly
@@Silphius It is an easy mistake and once you've ingrained how to say something its hard to change.
It's patriarchy kamikaze
I made a new Psyker profile recently, I saw Brain Burst more than Smite on Heresy.
As for Assail, I only really saw it while leveling up in Malice, Voidstrike seems to be the much more popular ranged damage option.
Meanwhile, I predominantly use Purgatus and Trauma staves along with Brain Burst.
The worst thing I see with smite is when a spread out horde is smited and someone runs in to kill them, creating a U shape around them, then the smiter hits 100 peril, is forced to stop smiting and it makes the U shape collapse around the person in the horde. I've seen cause a down a few times.
Also 12:00 he has his ult up and has wall, he can literally just drop the wall, swap to his staff and kill them safely. It's crazy just how many times smite is used and its not just bad, its actively detrimental.
That is why you stop smite before hitting 100 so the horde gets pushed to the ground, that way the team has even more time to react.
They need to change Smite. The problem with all Psyker abilities is that they're all infinite use. This creates balance issues that in turn encourage FS to make the Psyker abilities weak compared to other classes. Now while the other classes _do_ have ways to make up for this - Ogryn Rock, Vet nade recharge and Zealot knives, each one of those either requires additional talents or is limited to single targets.
Thats exactly the peoblem with smite. Instead of fighting things naturally you have these weird moments where you dont know to engage or not engage cuz you know that smite is gonna stop eventually.
I really enjoy this type of video where you look at someone's gameplay and critic on what they're doing wrong/how they could improve it. I know it's not your original intent when making this video but i found it very helpful nonetheless. Should do more videos in that style imo.
As someone relatively new to the tide series your videos have helped me go from a pretty shitty player to someone who could reliably play in maelstrom difficulty and even auric if I try hard enough (even if the mk5 iag is carrying a lot of my weight).
Just wanted to ask if you ever intend to post a video about ogryn builds or how to play ogryns at a higher level?
Firstly, whenever i used smite i [wrongly] would expect my team to be able to take advantage of it... But it usually can't happen in the most important times. And as you addressed, it can create situations where the team has to compensate greatly and spread their focus more.
It preps slowly, it spreads slowly, it damages slowly, makes one move slowly, and makes the team slower.
I've gotta try out that trauma staff build.
100% agree that all of the Psyker blitzes are great tools and all have their situations. Nothing really problematic about any of them. Smite is on the center tree which, from top to bottom, provides good support (though I'd say you'd be much better off cutting over to warp charges for the bubble upkeep). Smite is a great tool for keeping your run from getting overwhelmed, but it does require buy-in from your mates. I don't use smite at all because I think brain rupture is fantastic with bubble and warp charges, but my friend does and he loves it but struggles with certain situations where smite is more of a liability.
was running an Auric Maelstrom the other day with three newer players, one of the guys though assumed the role of game guru and started teaching the other two players, as he'd gotten a two characters to level 30 (I'll let that sink in) he was a die hard smite psyker, never played vet or ogryn despite having plenty of opinions on their utility. In between mopping up monstrous specialist I was constantly being summoned back to deal with single dogs and mutants this guy had locked in his smite and was crying out for the team to make the kill I mean...what? if you weren't smiting these enemies and were learning how they moved and behaved you could deal with them largely without help.
Really good video, I agree with basically everything you said. When I originally viewed that video I was thinking about your psyker tree breakdown and what you said. This person, while seeming nice enough, doesn't actually know a whole lot about what they're talking about. In another video by them, they basically said "all weapons are good if you just lower the difficultly so that's why the meta isn't real" which is certainly a take of all time.
I've gotten so much better at the game because of your vids please keep them up!
Good video, have any tips on the trauma staff? I don’t like the way it feels, but I’m aware how good it is
Focus on the center more. It does waaaay more in the center like most explosions in Darktide. Also you can use it to get small enemies off of teammates so they can focus on damage.
Sit in the middle of your squad and don't forget you have a primary fire ranged attack with excellent suppression and unlimited ammo. Use more than just the alt fire and the staff gains even more versatility. Using the staff in more than one way or for more than one kind of scenario in a run made it a lot more fun for me
See im this way with void strike. I love the trauma staff i hate void strike with a passion
I run brain burst just to tell players in the lobby how much I despise smite.
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I dont see brain burst enough but brain burst can carry a run and its especially good for bossing. I love purgatus and bb
Smite is only somewhat good at being 'support' if youre also running venting shriek. Perilous combustion has some nutty interaction with smite when theres a mixed hoard with a lot of ragers. But thats a super specific scenario. Funny yes, but happens maybe once in a blue moon.
I use smite on shooter squads that are dug in. Combine that with the shield so you can actually get in range and you’ll actually be supporting your team when you need it. I use it also with the void staff so I can cover all ranges. It’s nice for saving guys that are surrounded. It’s a nice safety net for when shit gets crazy imo.
27:56 I just recently got my first character (psyker) to level 30, and I did try smite on Heresy twice with dome shield. We just barely made it out of one mission and failed the other. The moment I tried brain burst and shield, we mopped the floor because I could use my voidstrike for CC and brain burst for the surgical single target damage, while protecting my team with dome shield's 360 gunner protection and extra toughness buffs.
Had a similar experience. I found that while the insane CC is strong the dps/aoe CC i give up for it makes it not worth it.
I run fire staff (instead of trauma cause i like fire)with brain burst build and bubble because i like a support CC pysker instead of smite because i can do what smite does with the fire staff but also with DPS and more effective CC and aoe
I started playing with assail because i needed horde clear and not cc and that changed everything. I like the cc but the damage is awful and smite isnt always useful but im constantly using assail. Smite is too situational for me. I much prefer surge staff assail and dueling sword as opposed to smite.
"I don't want to say something that could misconstrued as insulting" after already saying it lmao😂
This is interesting content. Providing alternative viewpoints helps to clear up misconceptions, which helps us to further improve our competence in this game.
Haven't watched the full vid yet but your music tastes are on POINT. Sensual is a banger same with full bodied
I used Smite once, AND I HATED IT.
They took a perfectly good staff, turned it into a fancy taser and gave its old crowd control ability to something that is arguably second only to the Veteran's smoke grenade in terms of sheer worthlessness, and the smoke grenade manages to have the basic decency of not being dependent on a keystone talent in order to do more damage to all enemies in general than the light attacks of a MK1 combat knife do against literally anything in carapace armor.
It’s even worse than you described about losing firepower in the team. You’re actually losing half of it, because what I see in games is not only is the psyker not doing damage, but another teammate has to cover their ass, because when they’re smiting they can barely walk.
But hey, at least they don’t blow themselves up like the assail users /s
Re: Attrition
I think I get what he's trying to say. Regular groups take longer to clear rooms, but they also don't know how to dodge maulers and crushers and they're less aware of spawns (i.e. more likely to get ambushed, also don't move together).
So during any end-event, imagine their team is repositioning to another objective and a wave of shotgunners or maulers catches out their zealot in front with low stamina. This quickplay zealot without stamina regen curios doesn't consider or can't run away and gets cornered. Because that zealot already messed up by mispositioning, they're going to get shot/whacked and lose health, be forced to use nades, panic-spam their flamer, etc.
In this situation smite is an essentially free mistake corrector which stuns the elites, allows the zealot "breathing room/time to breathe" and allows your team to just melee them down without even costing ammo.
It would cost a lot more resources to your zealot (and ogryn as he sees it unfolding and starts using his own resources), than just pausing this car-crash in motion and fixing it. If it were to happen more than once, your team might just run out of stuff and wipe.
Would a plain better group like you and your friends just never end up in this situation or simply outplay it? Absolutely. Offense is the best defense, and this problem of attrition only occurs with slower groups that make lots of mistakes.
Local angry twink loses his mind that there are players out there that don't want to deal with everything optimally all the time. The fact that the game gives less skilled players a tool to easily deal with a difficult situation by just holding one button drives him mad and it's hilarious. So what if smite kills a horde 4 times slower than just melee or trauma spam, what are you going to do with those extra 3 minutes it took to finish the run?
the problem with this scenario played out, or what happens a bunch in public games and what guy is talking about, is that it isn't used for oh shit moments and course correction.
You will often see it ENTIRELY too much and in ways that are either woefully ineffective or even counter-effective.
The guy will and does admit that smite is actually good in the scenarios it is good in. It can save runs if you use it correctly. That doesn't magically make smiting for 22 minutes effective or good at all when it was really only useful for 2 of them. They mention taking it over brainburst for some builds for this reason. Gunker and Void Bubble take it because they need the node between it and BB and for those builds, 1 point smite is actually better than BB. The reality is though, even after a clutch moment of smite breathing room, the actually clutch and effective option is for those builds and in general is to kill/kite their way out of the bad situation. Smite doesn't punch that ticket.
My 22/2minutes example obviously uses numbers I just made up, but if it doesn't bring immediately to mind the actual in-game examples of what I'm talking about; I do not believe you play the game with public matchmaking on relevant difficulties. Or you're clueless. Or you're the smite psyker who really thinks they are doing a lot, but really aren't. And the last two are the same.
That was a really good critical analysis. Not as toxic as I hoped, can't win 'em all.
Now hopefully I can convince my smite addicted friend to change his ways.
I have suche a intense hatred for people that spam smite because it doesnt make the game boring it makes the game unbearably slow you have to constantly run up to enemys that would normally get to you and the worst things is most of the time they dont smite in chokes but just outside of them so it takes 10 times longer to kill everything and holy moly when they smite stuff that has yet to spawn i wish i could grab them through the screen and strangle them let the freaking spawns get here so i can actually kill them so they dont stab me in the back when you eventually reach full peril and die in the 2 seconds it takes to quell
I like brain burst more and would play with it, if mind in motion was accessible. Maybe a skill issue but I struggle to play Psyker without mind in motion to quell on the move.
I used to use smite all the time in damnation because my friends didn't want me to be "malice locked" and it was either die all the time or use a crutch.
Then i picked up a columnus and played pubs on malice or heresy not damnation, with brainburst and now, after learning the game, i dont have a single build with smite. Its just... Not fun, if i wanna support i bring a voidstrike and use a shield. Staggering crushers and cleaving hordes is far better support than clicking and hoping your team deals with a handful of enemies provided you're good enough to survive
After watching the video fully, my thoughts havent changed but i will say it is kinda nice giving a visual warning of I AM POPPING THE BURSTER, but i dont think its worth using for that alone. Just dont deal with the burster, or deal with it before someone else might
8:50 Smite can be upgraded to give teammates a damage buff when they hit a smote enemy… but it’s pretty small like a 10%
I still don’t have a blazing spirit trauma staff so I can’t play trauma yet :(
Just get the money with a voidstrike in the meantime. Easy to use, decent damage even without perfect blessings (simply get the best base rating possible)
As soon as i saw the video i just knew youd react but wasnt expecting you toned down
There is a bery real use case for dealing with armour (bulwark, crusher, mauler) while cornered.
If you have room to kite i would maintain that all the staves can clear any number of ogryns.
If you dont have room to kite but can get them in a choke then trauma can deal with any number still, surge pribably caps out at like 5-6, voidstrike caps at like 2-3, and purgatus takes half an hour to kill them but staggers them well so is basically just a slightly improved smite anyway.
Smite here can fill in that gap on surge (for a crazy number of armoured enemies, like 7+) and voidstrike (4+).
Gun psyker it depends on the loadout but you will still cap out on the number of ogryns you can deal with before needing to swap to smite.
At the point you use smite you basically hope that your team can help out, or it lets you shimmy away and get back to kiting.
Its a last resort tool against excessive amounts of armour when you can't kite it.
Also makes waves of dogs and waves of bursters kinda trivial to deal with.
I hate the way you talk like you just sat down after a 20 Km marathon and when people stop a video they're reacting to, just to say "No it's not", but I agree with basically all your points and I'm happy someone put some of these balance and game design thoughts into words. Epic vid, gamer.
I hate the way you comment
I'd enjoy smite a lot more if it was just an AoE damage ability akin to some of the grenades from other classes. Maybe have it be a charge and release attack wherein the longer it's charged to a maximum; the more damage and AoE it'd have (like the trauma staff). It could serve as a means off chaff enemy deletion where you'd charge it up, let it go, and it'd cascade through the horde, bursting weak enemies like water balloons, leaving behind the tougher, more problematic opponents to be mopped up by you and your team. I think this would make it synergize nicely with the surge staff as well, which is kinda cool because it'd encourage players to go all-in on a lightning build (neat). The charge time, peril generation, number of effected enemies, and supporting nodes would probably all need to be tweaked for this to work well, but I don't think smite can be made good without a comprehensive rework anyway.
Anyways, nice video, Tanner! All your points were good and well-substantiated. Hope things are well for you and those you love, goodbye.
Joining the convo late, but great analysis. As an occasional smiter, it's just not a good blitz. It is boring in easier scenarios, but it's actualy detrimental because you're only stunning while building peril. You aren't actually dealing with the threat, you're just delaying the inevitable. You're right, you are simply hoping someone else does the damage that you aren't doing. I run it only when we're meming and want "Palpatine Hands." "LIMITED POWER!!!"
It needs to be reworked or replaced. If it's damage, well, the surge did that, so that doesn't seem to resolve it. If it's more support-related, you're still stuck with the problem (enemeis) still exists, so the support would have to be *massive*. So do enemies affected take extra damage? Still relying on someone else to kill your targets. Smited enemies do less damage? Eh, most enemies that are dangerous are 1-2 shot killers. So less damage on them isn't really going to do much. Maybe an enemy health drain and provide toughness to allies? I just don't know.
Seems smite was a means of taking existing assets and using them for the talent tree, since you already had them in the Surge Staff.
27:50 when I was leveling my psyker to 30 yes totally smite the heresy. For the last 5-10 levels went to damnation and it just got used less and less as I got better staff drops.
You know where smite is useful ? Stunning to cover teammate revive or fixing the servo-skull. Beside those 2 situation most staff do better. Since no zealot would bring stunstorm grenade or veteran have no shouting revival.
Smite is the best thing in the game.
For Palatine cosplay.
A bit off topic.
Would you be able to make an in depth guide on Assail?
no i dont use assial
@@bonehed1 I've been using the voidstrike and trauma staff with it, and struggling to find a place to use Assail where I wouldn't just use the staffs instead.
Thx. I'll try out gunpsyker
I'm too new to this game to tell something smart but summarizing this video, video about psyker skill tree and other people / content makers opinions I guess maybe smite just needs a rework? Maybe some ideas from other similar abilities of different games. For example, it could have a ramping up damage from tickling to smth serios (similar to dots) but slowing enemies instead of completely stunning them. At least I believe that it's easier to adjust percentages rather than radical stuned/not stuned. I like this ability very much and found Choco's smite video pretty cool however I can see the point why it's bad. Of course, thanks voidstrike exists which is very similar to my favorite fireball staff from vermintide. Still, I would be lying if I tell that I don't usually get back to smite to shot lightnings, I just like it
Tanner and jtc sound the like same person putting on two different personas 😅
Not gonna lie, that is exactly what I thought when I first found Tanner’s videos 😂
Death is the permanent CC
The only way to maximize smites value is to use ep smite with flame shriek then it becomes a decent option that's fun to use but honestly I wouldn't mind if it was reworked, its funny its called smite but it doesn't smite it just rapidly shocks things to death the surge staff is actually closer to what smiting something would be like in this case a powerful concentrated blast of lightning, its what I wish smite was instead of what it currently is.
My problem with that is you dont need to cc enemies to hit them with venting shriek you can just shriek and they all burn out anywau
@@infrared6973 Its up to you how you want to play if you want to kill a huge horde in 10 sec with venting shriek fine its a bit too slow for me Ill kill them in 3-4 sec with it combined with ep smite. And just in case you didn't know ep smite alone does more damage then venting shriek.
@@cryobomber8845 The only thing I ever see from smite is smite holding things rarely ever do i see clips of smite killing anything other than dogs and basic trash
About the precision of brain burst, you argue that you can use it to snipe elites in close proximity to a daemonhost, however i've already woken up (as in, the static levitating stance) and I wonder if it's because this ability has suppression, or if it's because of that talent that spreads soulblaze to nearby enemies on elite kill. Because of that, I've kinda refrained from using it that way because i was afraid of aggroing the thing
It's probably the soulblaze on elite kill thing, I wouldn't use it
if you're visible to the demonhost while your screen is iced up you'll generate aggro with kills even if they're nowhere near the dh. going behind a wall after grabbing a head fixes that to an extent. Soulblaze doesnt spread to dh unless you shriek at it.
Yeah you can definitely wake up a host from spread i did that the other day and i was nowhere near it. You can bb things around the host thought cuz alot of the times me clearing those enemies first is how he we past them
telopots is fantastic, I learned move-tech from him and his gameplay is a joy to watch.
I just had a game running trauma staff alongside a purgatos and smite user. Guess who of us killed the most horde/lesser enemies? and killed the most specials/elite?. The Ogryn!
But second behind the Ogryn was me with Trauma. I was basically kill stealing the horde held by smite. Strangely damage output the Purgatos did the most. Out of us. There was much in it mind.
Counter point: it’s fun being emperor palpatine
I don't understand how standing still holding m1 can be fun
I know smite aint optimal i just like shooting lightning from my hands 😎
smite should be changed for a new ability that gives team mates scriers gaze like buff for as long as you can stack it. then it might count as support.
some of your best content Goat of Darktide
I think people feel like smite is super good because when a Psyker starts using it, people feel like a huge weight is off their shoulders because the whole wave stops and they can breathe.
Yyyyeeesss I've been waiting for this!
Can we get some kind of brain burst guide?
At 27:57 reminded me the one time I'd tried to use Smite on a Heresy Investigation mission . NEVER again am I doing that, not even halfway through the mission I saw the issues surrounding Smite . We still got through the mission in the end but for me at least , if I was using something else besides Smite I feel like it wouldn't be as hard as it was at the time .
in my opinion obesefish should just make Smite off-handed and let psykers do basic tide things while also attacking with his melee weapon
That would be a massive buff and shouldnt be a thing. Youd have perma cc and constant high peril for owtw and warp rider
@@TannerLindberg good point, i did not consider it at first, but now i see it.. maybe only having like 1 sec smite, then push at the end like it does now.. while also having higher peril generation to not make it spammable..
@@assasir2905Move +1 chain to empowered psionics, remove damage buff, change damage from other sources to 20%, change +1 chain node to 2 second longer stun after stopping smite. Reduce damage overall. Players need to realize it is not a damage ability, it's to stun elites.
I want to open by expressing my appreciation for your channel. I don't get a lot of time to play so like to fill my downtime with educational content on the games I play. I'm very sorry to hear that you have been targeted by hate recently. I can see why some people may take issue with the some of the language you use when you make your points but I'm old enough to be able to see the point you make and the logic you present to make it. This gives the knowledge I need to make more educated decisions in game and is exactly what I've been looking for. I've seen and tried builds created by some content creators that are extremely underwhelming or just seem off from the choices they've made and I'm very glad to find someone who's opinion I feel I can respect.
I know you've name dropped some people here and there but I'm wondering if there's a list somewhere of other content creators you can recommend to someone who's looking to get better at the game and doesn't have the time to perform the kind of testing that you've done.
My staff takes like 4plus shots to take down a heavy,is there something wrong with it?
ever heard of the blue pill?
Wow the anger for smite is insane here... What did smite do to you man? Are you ok?
It's a shame cause I think smite looks very cool visually, but you're right, staffs just do the job better.
Sorry are you implying that kinetic flayer is good? I thought you said it was bad.
You should play Heresy quickplay and limit yourself on the builds you use to see what people do. You would be surprised
Audio of the vid you're watching is too quiet compared to your voice. I may just go watch their vid after to catch myself up.
I should of turned his voice up. You're rught
Those videos must be good if they get recomended to you after you already watched them.
what?
Those videos on your sidebar. The one that is visable when not watching a video fullscreen.
Players don't always optimize the fun out of the game unless it is ridiculously difficult, esp in a PvE game. Especially with Warhammer fans. A lot of people role play just cause they feel it is more fun.
Eh, I don't think there's anything wrong with it. Just use it like you would use a grenade - situationally. Problem is that people just mindlessly spam it as if it were their main tool for dealing with hordes. If Zealots had access to infinite or regenerating stun grenades, you bet you would see in pubs the same kind of behavior even though stun grenades are perfectly fine the way they are.
I’m a psyker main. I despise smite. In my opinion it’s just not good. It doesn’t have range and it locks you into one spot that doesn’t let you actually kill what is the highest threat. I will take brain burst every day of the week over smite.
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Smite brain burst assail
Smite crowd control, but kind of shit
Assail throw it and pray
Brain burst, I see you sniper you’re going to die
I just had a game with me using brain burst fully boosted with kinetic flare and kinetic residence
I killed multiple snipers, multiple gunners, and if I didn’t kill the snipers, my three ogryns at the time would’ve been murdered
There were also way too many belly bursters
But that’s maelstrom auric for you
Weapons at that time
Green Cadia mk XIIIg assault chainsword
Transcendent
Trauma staff with Warp flurry 3
And Terrifying barrage 4
So eight meteor radius on close range kill
Work out pretty good should’ve used soul stealer so that I could get more toughness from using my war abilities, but I wanted to keep the crit from metal giving me replenishment and speed
But soul stealer definitely would’ve been a much better pick for this
There are people who play heresy with smite
SMITE should be removed, end of story. ( I am new to tide games with darktide being my first game started few months ago. Other things that should be removed are stealth, smoke nades. Classes should be balanced and there should be reverse lock on higher level joining lower difficulties in public games. You shouldn't be able to solo a game on any difficulty with any class. It's unchallenging, non coop and a dumb game when I know my class can solo entire game and I don't need teammates. There are many single player games, why people wanna play a coop game to solo? )
i love u for making this vid, BC HOLY FUCK IM TIRED OF SMITE PSYKERS
Heresy? People using damn smite on damnation T_T
5:40 Smyker...
I think smite is worth bringing only with the surge staff because of the 2 target cap, and is to be used in only 4 situations, when backed into a corner, defending a person on interrogator/reviving and during a horde when a poxburster is in the group (non improved smite is capped at 18 targets), and in terms of difficulty surge smite performs very well in non damnation auric because you charge into groups by spamming fast attack with the staff for ranged immunity but the uncapped damage of trauma staff makes it superior in maelstorm, you can't just run alongside a zoomer zealot and zerg everything down. People need to start considering clear times and how do certain abilities affect the damage output of the entire group instead of looking at personal damage numbers
if you are backed into a corner hold block and politely excuse yourself from the corner. ive done this so many times cos my map knowledge is shite and it works. doesnt matter if its a pox horde or mixed. just block push occasional dodge til are free and move again.
There are a few places where you transition from one section of the map to another and are greeted by a narrow hallway with a horde waiting for you after the door opens, just holding smite as the door opens is generally a good idea so nothing runs into your team. Also you can't push away 5 crushers that are body blocking you (but trauma staff solves all these problems and why I don't run surge/smite in maelstorm)@@kudosbudo
If youre playing with smite and surge and a dueling sword you dont have any horde clear which is prt of the reason why so many smite psykers go down and get swarmed.
survivorship bias 22:09 i think you meant.
Yeah, I tried smite for a few games and never came back. It's simply inferior to other option, might be the worst blitz in the game even, even smoke nade has something interesting going for it.
Your video could just be 30 seconds long. Smite: 100 damage x7. Trauma blast: 2300 damage x15 lol
I never use Smite, find it boring but each to their own.
I run the gun psyker meta, and almost never use it
"Holding things still and hoping that people come to your rescue is -- I don't know any support player who'd like that. Maybe like someone's girlfriend who only plays on sedition is into that kind of thing..."
Yeaaaaah, I know a few people who fit that exact bill.
Muted?
youtube bug, just reload the page
Nah, still muted.
He comments this it on every video and likes his own comment too lol
Why does he refer to jct as "he"?
I just got into Darktide, and I have absolutely zero context fr most of these discussions... I'm just amazed what level of autism it is that this janky, non-competitive, overly-simple PvE horde shooter is somehow deserving of TWO half-hour analytical dissertations in the implications of a single in-game ability.
Eh, I agree with a lot of what you said, but not with the game being overy-simple. There's a lot of hidden and/or poorly explained mechanics coming into play at the same time, and the ways they synergize and combine can be complicated enough. I'm an average scrub who comes home after work and uni, plays like three games and calls it a night, so I'm grateful for people like Tanner and jtc who dig deep.
This "Overly-simple" PvE horde shooter seem kinda hard to most regular plebs I encounter. I'm not talking about the level 30-50 who instantly die the moment they enter auric games: even most level 500+ psykers I meet trend to blast themselves, unable to manage peril; solo stealth zealot manage to die with the most unkillable/safest build since they want to speedrun but only speedrun their own ragequit.
It sounds hateful but I love them all xD I just wonder how some people can have so many hours and still not know the basics of the game.
Smite doodoo
Can you do a video on the trauma staff? I want to make the most out of it, love ur vids mate
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honestly this helped me understand some stuff about smite that my brain cannot comprehend