A few important points in my opinion: - If the pavement is empty and the road is busy and you are a weak cyclist, going on the pavement will help traffic flow and reduce risk. No reason not to. - If children are cycling on small bikes with their parents walking, going on the pavement makes complete sense as children are more likely to fall/swerve and if they are cycling at a slower pace they won't get in anybody's way. - If you are cycling on a narrow, windy road with no pedestrians and a car backlog built up behind you, use the pavement temporarily to allow them to catch up. Don't think it's as big an issue as people make it out to be.
What annoys me is being forced into a busy road because some a-hole thinks that they have a right to cycle on a narrow pavement, and don't care if a pedestrian needs to use it.
@@maddysutherland3166 True, that pisses me off too. But honestly, how much do you see that happen? It’s happened once to me, maybe twice? And I haven’t had to walk in the road, just tuck in slightly.
@@billylardner Nope. North of the border. I also do distance running, and generally take it upon myself to be the one to move out of the way to avoid people and keep a safe social distance. However, with pavement cyclists this is extra tricky and dangerous because they just seem to come out of nowhere, really close to you.
When I returned to cycling after a 20 yrmear absence, I was quite "wobbly". I spent most of my cycle home on the pavement, only & ONLY if there were no pedestrians on the path ahead. Once a pedestrian stepped onto the path, I dismounted my bicycle & walked pushing my bike.
Wow. I thought journalists working for the BBC were supposed to at least pretend to be impartial. He comported himself very badly. Is he suggesting a 5 year old on a balance bike should be dicing with Range Rovers on the dual carriageway!
Peter levy is pro motorist, anti cyclist. As seen on other occasions. I cycle on the pavement on busy major roads, because I fear for my life. However never ride on pavement around housing estates.
Exactly. The important word here is discretion. If you are riding at to the max on your bicycle, ringing your bell and shouting at people on the pavement, you deserve to be fined and these are who the police are looking for. But if you ride considerately, slowly and give way to pedestrians i see no problem at all. Pedestrians are more likely hospitalised by dog bites than by cyclists. In addition, If presented with the option of a risk of a £50 or at risk of being twisted around the axle of a HGV then i think £50 is a bargain...
I usually ride on the road but have used empty pavements at low speed when the road has been clogged with stationary heavy goods vehicles. With vehicles like a 50cc scooter i have ridden only on the roads although once dismounted and pushed one on the pavement as the carburettor was clogged and it would have been dangerous to go on the roundabout on it.
My rear light died on me tonight, so rather than trust drivers would see me on the road, I cycled for a while (very slowly) on the pavement. I got shouted at for it by a pedestrian
@@TheDressingRoom_band I don’t live in a city, pavements for me can have no pedestrians on them for long stretches. I can easily jump onto a pavement and jump off again when I see someone
do it all the time the police have stopped me a few times i told them im nervous on the road they told me to keep it slow and pedestrians have right of way if its busy get off and push
My city has become plagued with pavement cyclists. I rarely see anyone cycling on the road, and several have ridden into me. I no longer feel safe on the pavement.
It's ridiculous. They need to crack down on cyclists doing that. I've no problem if they cycle on an empty pavement or walk the bike past pedestrians, but cycling on a pavement in amongst pedestrians should be cracked down on.
Notanfningain I can sympathise. Glasgow pedestrianised area has been turned into a Velodrome for Uber Eats cyclists and Deliveroo. And not a police officer in sight!
Can I just ask? Were you ok with this 'News reader' being so on the defensive and so on the attack? Because personally I thought he was being downright rude and quite offensive! And what about handcyclists who can't simply 'get off and push!'?
2:50 "Obviously a difference of opinion". Mr. Peter Levy, you are the news presenter, you should *NOT* be having an opinion, you should strictly ask the questions and wait for, or ask more questions, but not have an opinion. Just get both sides of an opinion and leave it at that.
@@steadyeddie7 Then again, why should we let our 10 year olds on dual carriageways where the speed limit is 50. The law doesn't prohibit the 10 year old cycling there, but does prohibit the safer option of letting them cycle on the pavement. 🤔🤔
@@steadyeddie7 Roads are meant for combustion engines such as cars. Bicycles are way too slow and don,t protect the driver in case of collision (what damage is a bicycle that you can actually carry with one arm going to cause to pedestrians, a broken ankle?) a car can easily kill a cyclist whereas a cyclist is very unlikey to kill a pedestrian even if they are reckless.
I recently got a bike and I was a bit scared to use it on the road as I have no knowledge I now have a bit more confidence but still don't understand how and where we can ride it.
Exactly! If we are gonna go down that route, maybe pedestrians should stop crossing the road without traffic lights or zebra crossings. The hypocrisy is unreal!
It’s a law dating back to 1835. The hierarchy has changed to give pedestrians priority over cyclists. If the pavement is wide enough and the cyclist can fit and cycle at 10mph and under then why shouldn’t they be allowed to given that the duty of care is now on them to take care of pedestrians below them in the hierarchy?
If I am using a pavement, it is because I don't want to die. If there are people, I will slow down or dismount. The problem is that between the horrible lack of good infrastructure that minimizes conflicts with death-machin- um cars and the entitled attitude f impatient drivers who blame you for slowing them down slightly (even though other cars slow them down more) you are likely to be injured or killed on many roads, in many places the pedestrian infrastructure can be horrible too, what you are saying to me with privatized public transport, poor cycling infrastructure and narrow pavements is that I should be in a car, that wishing to travel in any other way is being entitled, I should just find a way to afford my planet destroying, dangerous, socially isolating hunk of metal!
My understanding is that parking on pavements has not been illegal since 1974, except in London. Even there, it is allowed where indicated. I do think motorists should do this considerately, which unfortunately is not always the case. Cycling on pavements is illegal, but there is some discretion about issuing fines. Personally, I don’t mind cyclists being on the pavement, again, if they do it considerately, not buzzing past at speed inches away from me.
On my commute home on a Friday night, I always cycle as far along the pavement as I can until I see a pedestrian ahead. Reasons being the road is full of moron drivers who dangerously overtake.
The question is not clearly put. The attempted is to ask, ‘Can cyclists ride on ‘non-shared’ pavements?’ That’s the question that was so blatantly dodged! Clearly the answer is NO! On ‘shared’ pavements, the answer is yes!
Anyone under 16 should be able to ride on the pavement in my opinion. Also I’m not saying this is always the case but when I’m on my bike most times pedestrians put themselves at risk instead of cyclists putting them at risk. One time this woman walked out infront of me to get me to stop because I was cycling on the pavement. And most time’s pedestrians just ignore me ringing my bell. The bells there to let u know to get tf out the way!!
We don't need pedantic laws governing us. Cycled on Pavements every time I've used a bike. Always given pedestrians right of way and got off my bike if necessary. Never come close to hurting anyone. In the pavement A careful cyclist is less of a risk than a jogger
Not to mention alley ways and cut through's that can comfortably fit 2 people walking side by side but have no adjoining road option. It's just moody old bitter unhappy people needing something to moan about.
It's high time the law was made clear because there are more cyclists thesedays than ever before some even with battery assist bickals witch go at grater speeds
Pavements are for pedestrians not cyclists, shared routes are different. No wonder I get uptight with people like him. It is not an offence to park a car on the pavement !!
I lost 2 teeth and got a broken rib after being hit by a deliveroo cyclist on the pavement who rode off Don't they realize it's illegal for anybody over 16 to cycle on the pavement
In my lifetime I have thrown 06 cyclists to the ground for cycling on pavements, 02 of my pavement cycling victims were old geezers around 75 years old.
I just sprinkle a handful of drawing pins when I see cyclists on the pavement speeding at 20 MPH. That soon slows them down. I witnessed a pedestrian lose both her eyes and nose from a head-on collision with a powerful mountain bike that refused to stop. The guy just shouted MOVE! MOVE! then he collided with her, helmet first in her face. I've never seen so much blood in my life. She was out cold. Don't forget; everyone's a pedestrian at some point.
@@scottscott232 I hope you pick your pins up after you bloody weirdo, if my young child tripped and fell into a bunch of drawing pins i WILL find who did it and they'd be shitting out teeth for a week!
Bring back the cycling proficiency test. The only cyclists on a pavement should be on stabilisers. Dont ride a bike if your not brave enough to ride on the road.
@@mikewade777 I have a driving licence, and i ride a bicycle occasionally. I dont currently own a car, use public transport and use pavements as a pedestrian rather a lot. As a pedestrian with small children i occasionally walk in fear of "people on bicycles" tearing down pavements and weaving ultra wide handlebars, head high to a kid, with reckless abandon.
@@stuartliddle7228 I fully understand what you are saying but...roads can not everyone cycles like a idiot. Little point in penalizing those cyclists who are considerate and forcing them to use the road where they're surrounded by Steel boxes that are moving faster than they are. As a pedestrian I've also experience cyclists going to fast and without bells.
A few important points in my opinion:
- If the pavement is empty and the road is busy and you are a weak cyclist, going on the pavement will help traffic flow and reduce risk. No reason not to.
- If children are cycling on small bikes with their parents walking, going on the pavement makes complete sense as children are more likely to fall/swerve and if they are cycling at a slower pace they won't get in anybody's way.
- If you are cycling on a narrow, windy road with no pedestrians and a car backlog built up behind you, use the pavement temporarily to allow them to catch up.
Don't think it's as big an issue as people make it out to be.
What annoys me is being forced into a busy road because some a-hole thinks that they have a right to cycle on a narrow pavement, and don't care if a pedestrian needs to use it.
@@maddysutherland3166 True, that pisses me off too. But honestly, how much do you see that happen? It’s happened once to me, maybe twice? And I haven’t had to walk in the road, just tuck in slightly.
@@billylardner Once or twice a week here currently.
@@maddysutherland3166 That’s dreadful, do you live in London?
@@billylardner Nope. North of the border. I also do distance running, and generally take it upon myself to be the one to move out of the way to avoid people and keep a safe social distance. However, with pavement cyclists this is extra tricky and dangerous because they just seem to come out of nowhere, really close to you.
When I returned to cycling after a 20 yrmear absence, I was quite "wobbly". I spent most of my cycle home on the pavement, only & ONLY if there were no pedestrians on the path ahead. Once a pedestrian stepped onto the path, I dismounted my bicycle & walked pushing my bike.
Wow. I thought journalists working for the BBC were supposed to at least pretend to be impartial. He comported himself very badly. Is he suggesting a 5 year old on a balance bike should be dicing with Range Rovers on the dual carriageway!
😂
Peter levy is pro motorist, anti cyclist. As seen on other occasions. I cycle on the pavement on busy major roads, because I fear for my life. However never ride on pavement around housing estates.
Exactly. The important word here is discretion. If you are riding at to the max on your bicycle, ringing your bell and shouting at people on the pavement, you deserve to be fined and these are who the police are looking for. But if you ride considerately, slowly and give way to pedestrians i see no problem at all. Pedestrians are more likely hospitalised by dog bites than by cyclists. In addition, If presented with the option of a risk of a £50 or at risk of being twisted around the axle of a HGV then i think £50 is a bargain...
I ride on the pavement behind my young child who is not yet able to join me on the roads
Which Witch? Fair enough
I usually ride on the road but have used empty pavements at low speed when the road has been clogged with stationary heavy goods vehicles.
With vehicles like a 50cc scooter i have ridden only on the roads although once dismounted and pushed one on the pavement as the carburettor was clogged and it would have been dangerous to go on the roundabout on it.
My rear light died on me tonight, so rather than trust drivers would see me on the road, I cycled for a while (very slowly) on the pavement. I got shouted at for it by a pedestrian
Hahah. No way. This exact same thing happened to me today. I wish people understood cyclists
@Sirius White Do you drive? Do you carry a spare brake light in your vehicle? Why not?? Its not bulky or expensive!
Then walk don’t cycle or bring a spare tail light, cycling on a pavement is a illegal end of.
@@TheDressingRoom_band I don’t live in a city, pavements for me can have no pedestrians on them for long stretches. I can easily jump onto a pavement and jump off again when I see someone
@@Parzival-qg2vu doesn’t matter it’s illegal, if you can’t cycle on the road don’t cycle at all.
Next time I go for a walk I might I'll stroll in the middle of the road, cos why not
True I mean pedestrians love strolling in the middle of cycle lanes so not much different lol
do it all the time the police have stopped me a few times i told them im nervous on the road they told me to keep it slow and pedestrians have right of way if its busy get off and push
Same but I have never been stopped
Wow. The news anchor really had an axe to grind there. You composed yourself very well for that one.
My city has become plagued with pavement cyclists. I rarely see anyone cycling on the road, and several have ridden into me. I no longer feel safe on the pavement.
It's ridiculous. They need to crack down on cyclists doing that. I've no problem if they cycle on an empty pavement or walk the bike past pedestrians, but cycling on a pavement in amongst pedestrians should be cracked down on.
@@curtismackland5257 No need to get off and walk thats just stupid, just cycle sensibly.
Notanfningain I can sympathise. Glasgow pedestrianised area has been turned into a Velodrome for Uber Eats cyclists and Deliveroo. And not a police officer in sight!
Can I just ask? Were you ok with this 'News reader' being so on the defensive and so on the attack? Because personally I thought he was being downright rude and quite offensive! And what about handcyclists who can't simply 'get off and push!'?
2:50 "Obviously a difference of opinion". Mr. Peter Levy, you are the news presenter, you should *NOT* be having an opinion, you should strictly ask the questions and wait for, or ask more questions, but not have an opinion. Just get both sides of an opinion and leave it at that.
Only a law breaking argumentative bicyclists would make such a comment!
@@steadyeddie7 Then again, why should we let our 10 year olds on dual carriageways where the speed limit is 50. The law doesn't prohibit the 10 year old cycling there, but does prohibit the safer option of letting them cycle on the pavement. 🤔🤔
@@steadyeddie7 Roads are meant for combustion engines such as cars. Bicycles are way too slow and don,t protect the driver in case of collision (what damage is a bicycle that you can actually carry with one arm going to cause to pedestrians, a broken ankle?) a car can easily kill a cyclist whereas a cyclist is very unlikey to kill a pedestrian even if they are reckless.
exatly. I`m upset because of this. His job is not taking sides.
@@steadyeddie7Steady on Eddie!
You could've said how they may not want to ride in the roads because of bad infrastructure.
I recently got a bike and I was a bit scared to use it on the road as I have no knowledge I now have a bit more confidence but still don't understand how and where we can ride it.
The law is bloody stupid. How many pedestrians are killed by cyclists on pavements per year?! Bloody ridiculous.
Exactly! If we are gonna go down that route, maybe pedestrians should stop crossing the road without traffic lights or zebra crossings. The hypocrisy is unreal!
It’s a law dating back to 1835. The hierarchy has changed to give pedestrians priority over cyclists.
If the pavement is wide enough and the cyclist can fit and cycle at 10mph and under then why shouldn’t they be allowed to given that the duty of care is now on them to take care of pedestrians below them in the hierarchy?
In Australia cycling on pavements is allowed, works well
Well not in Ireland tho XD , sadly
That depends on the State and age if the rider. 👍
I don't mind people riding on the payment but what gets me is when people ride on the pavement in busy areas
Peter Levy came across as really unhinged
If I am using a pavement, it is because I don't want to die. If there are people, I will slow down or dismount. The problem is that between the horrible lack of good infrastructure that minimizes conflicts with death-machin- um cars and the entitled attitude f impatient drivers who blame you for slowing them down slightly (even though other cars slow them down more) you are likely to be injured or killed on many roads, in many places the pedestrian infrastructure can be horrible too, what you are saying to me with privatized public transport, poor cycling infrastructure and narrow pavements is that I should be in a car, that wishing to travel in any other way is being entitled, I should just find a way to afford my planet destroying, dangerous, socially isolating hunk of metal!
Shared pavement usually has a round blue sign with a bike and a person on it!
I dont want to ride my bike on the road just in case i hit a car or scatch a car
My understanding is that parking on pavements has not been illegal since 1974, except in London. Even there, it is allowed where indicated. I do think motorists should do this considerately, which unfortunately is not always the case. Cycling on pavements is illegal, but there is some discretion about issuing fines. Personally, I don’t mind cyclists being on the pavement, again, if they do it considerately, not buzzing past at speed inches away from me.
Safer to ride "ocasionally" on an empty pavement than a busy road. Care must be taken.
On my commute home on a Friday night, I always cycle as far along the pavement as I can until I see a pedestrian ahead. Reasons being the road is full of moron drivers who dangerously overtake.
I cycle on the carriageways. I don't condone cycling on the pavements, but the way people drive, I don't blame those who do.
I don`t think that a presenter should express their opinion like that. his job is not include taking sides.
you ride on pavement for safety purposes , some roads are too busy and you could just hold the traffic. besides children also rides bike too
The question is not clearly put. The attempted is to ask, ‘Can cyclists ride on ‘non-shared’ pavements?’ That’s the question that was so blatantly dodged! Clearly the answer is NO! On ‘shared’ pavements, the answer is yes!
I cycle on pavements I can't walk I have cerebral palsy.
So motorists can park on the pavement. Bud cyclists can't bike on the pavement. Typical anti cyclists...
Anyone under 16 should be able to ride on the pavement in my opinion. Also I’m not saying this is always the case but when I’m on my bike most times pedestrians put themselves at risk instead of cyclists putting them at risk. One time this woman walked out infront of me to get me to stop because I was cycling on the pavement. And most time’s pedestrians just ignore me ringing my bell. The bells there to let u know to get tf out the way!!
Technically they can't be prosecuted for cycling on the pavement because they ARE under 16.
We don't need pedantic laws governing us.
Cycled on Pavements every time I've used a bike. Always given pedestrians right of way and got off my bike if necessary. Never come close to hurting anyone.
In the pavement A careful cyclist is less of a risk than a jogger
Not to mention alley ways and cut through's that can comfortably fit 2 people walking side by side but have no adjoining road option. It's just moody old bitter unhappy people needing something to moan about.
Can we have an open season for adult pavement cyclists?
No.
Oh yes !
yes, but also have open season on cars parking on cycle lanes/pavements/disabled spots with out the sign.
It's high time the law was made clear because there are more cyclists thesedays than ever before some even with battery assist bickals witch go at grater speeds
God help me give me strength. When your dum it’s very hard to recognise just how dum.
Who is
Well done Carlton excellently handled👍
Riding on the pavements is great.
But it's illegal. Highway Code Rule 64
You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement.
Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & R(S)A sect 129
Pavements are for pedestrians not cyclists, shared routes are different. No wonder I get uptight with people like him.
It is not an offence to park a car on the pavement !!
Great stuff Carlton
I lost 2 teeth and got a broken rib after being hit by a deliveroo cyclist on the pavement who rode off
Don't they realize it's illegal for anybody over 16 to cycle on the pavement
Keep on the road.
Great. Next pedestrians have to jump out of the way on pavements to make space for cyclists who don't want to slow down.
Aye a bicycle can do the same amount of damage as a car. No difference whatsoever!
What a waste of time.
In my lifetime I have thrown 06 cyclists to the ground for cycling on pavements, 02 of my pavement cycling victims were old geezers around 75 years old.
Yes you can if you look the part But Ordinary People couldn't do that anyway unless they had authority
You'd have a shock doing that to a Sprinter, guys weigh 80-90 kilos of solid muscle.
I'd pay to see you shit yourself.
I just sprinkle a handful of drawing pins when I see cyclists on the pavement speeding at 20 MPH. That soon slows them down. I witnessed a pedestrian lose both her eyes and nose from a head-on collision with a powerful mountain bike that refused to stop. The guy just shouted MOVE! MOVE! then he collided with her, helmet first in her face. I've never seen so much blood in my life. She was out cold. Don't forget; everyone's a pedestrian at some point.
@@scottscott232 I hope you pick your pins up after you bloody weirdo, if my young child tripped and fell into a bunch of drawing pins i WILL find who did it and they'd be shitting out teeth for a week!
Your obviously joking
Bring back the cycling proficiency test. The only cyclists on a pavement should be on stabilisers. Dont ride a bike if your not brave enough to ride on the road.
Stupid argument, and a driving test fail.
@@mikewade777 I have a driving licence, and i ride a bicycle occasionally. I dont currently own a car, use public transport and use pavements as a pedestrian rather a lot.
As a pedestrian with small children i occasionally walk in fear of "people on bicycles" tearing down pavements and weaving ultra wide handlebars, head high to a kid, with reckless abandon.
@@stuartliddle7228 I fully understand what you are saying but...roads can not everyone cycles like a idiot. Little point in penalizing those cyclists who are considerate and forcing them to use the road where they're surrounded by Steel boxes that are moving faster than they are.
As a pedestrian I've also experience cyclists going to fast and without bells.