Allies Turned Foes | The Shocking Mali Murder of a Green Beret Logan Melgar by 2 NAVY SEAL
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- In this gripping segment, we delve deep into the heart-wrenching story of a Green Beret's brutal murder in Mali, an incident that shook the core of military brotherhood. Through exclusive interviews, expert analysis, and unseen footage, we uncover the layers of betrayal and secrets that led to this tragic event. As we trace the steps of two Navy SEALs turned suspects, we explore the intricate dynamics of trust, loyalty, and deception within the elite units of the U.S. Armed Forces. Join us as we seek justice and answers in a tale of valor, betrayal, and the unbreakable bond of warriors. This is not just a story of a soldier; it's a testament to the complexities of war, camaraderie, and the pursuit of truth in the shadows of service."
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Bruh I am so glad that you are bringing awareness to what really happened to Logan Those NAVY SEALS were trash. They murdered him out of pure greed!!! 🤬🤬🤬
Actually was fear. Fear of the consequences of being in trouble
Almost like the seals against Gallagher when he stole there butter.
It goes against the moral code of honor duty and country if they're cheating to get through buds or any other course because like luttrell their compromise when they don't have their enhanced drugs it seems like the military has just become for these guys to go in and profit afterwards
They tried to do a diddy/epstein style blackmail operation on Melgar. Wonder where they learned that style??…….. Hell awaits those demons.
@@justinmillette8737😊
There is a reason why all of the SOF community hates on Goggins, he spoke out against the culture way before anybody.
Wasn’t only navy seals that hated on him?
Alot of people followed the negative bandwagon unfortunately. When his name came up they put a cloud over it cause it seems like everyone was jealous @xlxl1762
The community he worked with doesn't actually have anything negative to say about him cause his not making money from stolen valour!
you mean the seals
They were jealous that he didn’t have to kill innocent people to have his name on the front of a book cover. David Goggins will put his hate on himself and overcome it, not on others like these greedy seals.
SOF needs to be held accountable for all funds. Look at all the money wasted trying to keep up with me
let snowden or assange spend some time over here, they'll probably get epsteined.... not released.
Bro no other Channel talks about this kind of stuff
AF guy here. This is so fucked up. The Bible says the love for money is the root of all evil. And this is the perfect example of this.
@@TheGhostOfMichaelJackson okkkkkk ans what point are you trying to make ?
@@jamescunningham6251go play in traffic
@@jamescunningham6251 Another AF guy here. It's pretty clear to me.
It’s pretty clear what he meant, dippy.
@@jamescunningham6251ans?
I followed this story as it unfolded. SSG Melgar’s wife played a psy op on at least one member of DEVGRU and helped secure his conviction. RIP Brother.
Just like Pat Tilman and Jessica Lynch, the military will cover up and/or lie through their teeth if the opportunity arises.
The Gov and esp the DOD had to protect the institution from various black eyes during GWOT. Oh boy, there were a lot that made it on the news and social media. In their mind, the show has to go on.
I remember when that came out in the news they said it was an "MMA accident". Like guys were rolling and a choke went wrong. Couple years later I was shocked to find out what truly happened.
Interested to know what about the Jessica Lynch story was a cover up. I really only know the bullet points.
@@Joe45-91 The fact that her capture and rescue at the beginning of the Iraq War was a complete political farse. She even came out later admitting it, because she couldn't hold up the lie given all the attention and accolades she received. It became too much for her, especially when they were going to make a movie (I believe Lifetime) about it. Overall, she admitted it was staged. If I remember correctly, soldiers who were actually captured and killed got little attention. The media made it all about her, because she was a tiny smalltown girl.
The real story was that they convoy wasn't paying attention and took a wrong turn. Others who were with her did die and she wasn't the Rambo they tried to make her out to be as she testified she didn't shoot one bullet.
@Murderface666: Just like they lie about how many troops are killed. “He died a hero trying to save his comrade” meanwhile Dude died by a sniper while eating his dinner.
Absolutely horrible. It was a smack in the face to all of us, not just 3rd Group.
And just for some fuckin money.. That's the worst thing about it.
It wasn't just about money. Apparently they were using prostitutes there. That would have been a hit on them and also prevented further
Pure selfishness
Had dude told they'd have been in trouble for all of it.
Why did they have to kill him?
Because they are cowards and traitors!
This is one of the reasons I didn’t serve, even after 9/11. My entire family served (dad, uncle, grandfathers, and back many generations). The military takes wonderful human beings (always young and naive) and treats them like crap. My uncle committed suicide after Vietnam not because of the horrors of war, but because of the constant way he was treated by civilians when he returned. Even cops were horrible to him, and he killed himself in 1982 with a shotgun. My dad begged me (as I’m an only child) not to join. He told me all of the realities of it, and especially how your treated after you get out and how horrible the VA is. And these incredible heroes are also grossly underpaid for what they do. My friend who was the commander of 1st Group SF, who I went to college with before he went to RIP (who just died of a heart attack hiking in Utah, Otto Liller, was in insane shape too, total stud), told me “unless you got stars on your shoulder, your always expendable, remember that.” I would have been a lousy soldier anyway. The military needs to treat and take better care of it’s people.
If folks think this kind of thing only happened these 2 times…..you’re a fool. This kind of behavior has to have been ingrained into the culture of SEALs.
Sound just like cops, prosecutors, judges, politicians n other gov workers. Weak, immature bullies
When special operations are treated by everyone as the "shit", we( me Force Recon 73-96) forget that we are not any more entitled than anyone else! Thug's are thugs!
Dude, If it was as rampant as You think. This investigator would of found it And spill the beans.. Seals are in the tens of thousands in numbers.. The P.O.Shts mentioned and Leadership issues. Does not Evan tally to half of 1 percent.. Like less than. .05.. That's like saying America is Trash the whole 300 plus years of existence.. Because of having Obama and Biden as Presidents..Smfh
Supposedly early 90’s Devgru had problems with bad, unprofessional behavior according to McCraven when he got there, he said they cleaned it up. Idk. It sucks if your good professional soldiers and have horrible leadership by a turd just because he outranks you and has a sugar daddy in the Pentagon.
@@Baseballisbest67 You would not last a day
It makes me so mad that the seals are always shady, but Green Berets, delta operators are held to higher standards for some reason!
Not really lol, William “Billy” Lavigne, Daniel Gould, Henry Royer, Peter Rafael Dzibinski Debbins, Luke Denman, and Airan Berry just to name a few.
Idk about that. There's bad guys in every community. Down to bad cops. Let's not forget the green baret got murdered by his own bestfriend that was a delta. Seals are just more branded so others fade in the backend
@@JulietActual they guys name was Lavigne, that sounds Russian to me.
@@niweshlekhak9646Actually, Lavigne is a French surname, like the musician Avril Lavigne (French Canadian descent).
That’s why they are Tier 1. For sure
To learn about his friend being assaulted by the broomstick at the time of his death, and to continue to maintain his composure for the rest of the talk is no easy feat.
May god grant justice.
Just think if Logan had done some real training he would have not been an easy target.
@Dirk-my2zf Real training as in what? Martial arts? 2 on 1 is still a disadvantage and he could have been in the same position. You're being stupid.
@@Dirk-my2zfgreen berets aren't highly trained in your book?
@@cwatson42785 girls are green berets dude, GIRLS.
@@cwatson42785 girls have completed SFAS and are green berets. That tells you everything you need to know about SF.
I heard about this from a retired 5th group Sgt Major that is a friend.
As a Marine… the fact that another Marine took part of ANY part of this disgusts me… just appalling.
Two other marines *
It's their arrogance.
@@michaelmatthias9495 Disgusting… atrocious… I could go on :/
@@solomonstello I heard there was MUCH more to the story as to why this occurred.
Lots of illegal stuff and US $$$$ involved.
Even worse.
Glad you brought this up. There is still so much of this story that we dont know.
Someone should ask the SEALS involved in the Capt. Phillips rescue what happened to the tens of thousands of dollars that went missing. None of the ship's crew had it. The dead pirates didn't take it. Hmmmmmmm?
That's mafia for you basically.
Wish dude had a better microphone if didn't have earbuds. I wouldn't have understood half of this very important story.. it should be heard by everyone in the country.
I was Army Infantry. I served in the 9th Inf Reg out of Ft. Ord. 40% of my unit was made up of Rangers. We had the privilege of working with many SF units when deployed. I have nothing but love and respect for my fellow grunts, Rangers and SF guys. When I heard about Logan Melgar's murder, I wanted to mobilize and handle justice the old-fashioned way. My Army buddies were willing to take up the mission. Cooler heads prevailed, and we had to stand down. I'm still seriously pissed at all Seals...
I am a former US Marine Infantryman who served in Desert Shield/Storm. Special Operations people (especially SEAL's) have been lionized in our society to almost superhuman hero status and have been glamorized by movies, books, tv, and the yellow media.I felt when I was in the Corps and have always felt that Special Ops existed simply to do dirty and illegal jobs that regular military units would refuse to do. I also have always felt that Special Ops existed so that the government could secure and then launder endless amounts of taxpayer money without having any oversight or accountability. In addition it has always seemed that Special Ops existed to be the enforcer arm of the CIA. Either way you cut it these Special Ops guys are undisciplined, freebooting, criminals in my opinion whom have been given too many resources, too much freedom of action, and no accountability. In essence, a bunch of psychotic, drunken, coked up frat boys with a lot of cool toys and no consciences.
Yeah, I always thought it was weird how in a lot of media of FOBs in Afghanistan and the special forces units are completely separate from the line units. I get not telling them everything but it seems like being on the same page would be a good thing. Just look at how any iterations of ar-15 rifles and the SCAR they got which basically do more or less the same thing as an M4 block 2. I get upgrading kit when you have the need but you don't need the newest of everything because it's 'cool'. Spec ops seems like cops. They can hate each other but they refuse to hold each other accountable because of the profession.
Sad part is, some of the stuff they ended up doing could be done by line units with specialized training.
@@joeblow9657 Absolutely! I made a post a long time ago about just doing more training for regular line units. I got a whole lot of shit from people saying that it would cost too much money and not everyone would be able to complete the training, etc.. Well, let me say this; WE have hundreds of billions of dollars to piss away on Ukraine. We just gave Haiti 25 million dollars although they don't have a government anymore. So I have no idea who actually got the money. We give billions of dollars away a year in foreign aid to every country in the world. We gave Iran billions of dollars to build their nuclear program. I think it's safe to say money isn't the problem. As far as everyone not being able to do the training, that's a lot of BS too. Today's military personnel are healthier, better educated, stronger, and better prepared than ever before. When you enlist you typically go into the delayed entry program for however long until you ship to basic training. While in the delayed entry program your recruiter gets you ready for basic. You then go through basic. Graduating from basic is not guaranteed. People drop out of basic in every service. The Marines of course have the highest drop out rate at 15%. At least that was what it was when I was in the Corps. Then you go to your MOS school. You PT and go on Humps, etc.. When I was a grunt my unit went through Mountain Warfare School in Bridgeport California. We went as a UNIT and failing was not an option. You had to work as a team. You had to pull your own weight but also help others when they faltered. Teamwork and esprit de corps saw everyone through successfully. The point being is that if you made it past the initial hurdles then everyone is prepared for more advanced training. If you work as a team then everyone will be successful. I have always believed that ANYONE can be fully trained in any endeavor if they are PROPERLY trained. Some people may take more time to successfully complete the training. Some people may be better at particular skill sets than others but EVERYONE can succeed at a basic level. A good example would be snipers. Not everyone can be a sniper but with proper training a person that initially qualified as a marksman can train enough to improve to sharpshooter or even expert. The more training a person has the more effective he is no matter how much or how little it improved him.
@@HarryPost-o9c Precisely! It's sad how the US military really became a 2 tier system where there is the big military and SOCOM and JSOC. You can get units capable of doing special forces support roles (not too dissimilar to what the Rangers did before becoming a direct action, tier 2 unit) if you train them and have the budget and standards. Instead you have former special forces guys saying garbage like Afghanistan shouldn't have had regular units fighting it, which makes no sense in a counter insurgency perspective once you remember the numbers required to maintain an effective presence.
IMO a major missed opportunity was not just taking line units that showed potential and giving them a lower level direct action role. You could weed out those who don't make the cut and ask for volunteers to replace them. A lot of British commando and airborne units in WW2 were just converted line units that followed what you suggested.You don't need SEALS and Rangers to take out every single small time local commanders, a provincial commander sure but a local Taliban company commander probably not.
Don't even need the budge to convert all line units, could've just selected the desired number of battalions and designated them for that role.
Also, it's kind of funny how physical standards are so all over the place in some line units when training and conditioning are pretty cheap to do. Hell, the French Foreign Legion has excellent PT standards because they don't have the budget to focus on more training exercises.
Lastly, great point about snipers, they're in line units but they're often operating behind enemy lines because like you've said, they've been given the training.
Yea the same can be said about marines. You guys and society glamorize your marginal never first in culture.
Fireman here, never been in the military. I’ve had the honor and privilege to work with Green Berets and Rangers and I will say those men were class acts! Incredibly professional and more than capable. I appreciate what you all have contributed to the culture of our fire service. RESPECT!
Thanks for sharing
Prior service army here. That is a powerful group of individuals. We had a police officer here in my town steal those credentials(Ranger School) and was caught falsifying his DD214. He was immediately terminated by the Chief. This Police Chief was a prior service US Army officer and did not accept the BS excuses this subordinate threw at them about an inaccurate DD214. If it isn't on there, you didn't do it.
I've worked with ex Rangers, Marine Recon. Top notch individuals.
You mean those men and WOMEN, because there are girls who complete their weak selection process.
@@macabre19 doubt it
Logan Melgar was murdered but died as he lived with courage, honor and truly was a mark of distinction from his peers. True warrior.
100%!
If Melgar had decent training he would still be alive. SF training doesn’t make warriors, warriors are hard to kill.
@Dirk-my2zf what fgt thing to say.
@@Dirk-my2zf wow, you must be an Olympian as those are some mental gymnastics you are pulling off there
@@heathclark318 says the re-re incapable of accepting THE TRUTH. SF is weak AF.
It was two SEALs and two Raiders. Ultimately, four were involved in this debacle.
A Brit SF guy was also involved.
@@MrPolicekarimreally? I never knew that but only of 4
Jay - Thank you so much for this interview. Since this incident happened, I've periodically searched for information and I've been consistently disappointed by what was available. Logan's story, while tragic, is very important and needs to be amplified. I didn't know him, but all indications are that he was a man of integrity and honor who should be remembered for doing the right thing, even when it cost him his life. RIP.
Worst part about it the Navy covered it up.
It was investigated by NCIS/CID….that ain’t “The Navy” you dolt.
I knew I liked Green berets more than SEALS for some reason…We need them but damn bad apples make the whole bunch look bad smh RIP Logan RIP CHAPMAN
Any of you guys considered covering 1) the Eddie Gallagher story
2) talking to Andy Stumpf? He seems like a pretty straight shooter
The murder of Logan Melgar horrified me. Peace to all family and friends of the Green Beret. “One team, one fight”!
This incident was disgusting and the ease with which the Seals immediately went into cover-up mode made me start asking questions about Robert's Ridge and whether the Seals involved in THAT incident really believed Chapman was dead when they left him.
They became Cowards
@ paulstrathern4309
Didn’t those involved back up their own story of the incident to help Naval Special Warfare try to block John Chapman from getting the Medal of Honor? Isn’t it the same Naval Special Warfare that were all on board when the Army accused Marine raiders of negligent homicide in the Bati Kot ambush incident ?
We got the killing of Melgar, stories of Chris Kyle indiscriminately killing Iraqi civilians, “ the lone survivor “ story being most likely a LIE and the resulting mess getting several dozen more military personnel needlessly killed
Why hasn’t there been an armed forces chair hearing on Naval special warfare cultural toxicity?
@@MichaelGentry-le9nj Yes they did
It's clear that they never knew they forgot Chapman up on the hill, the never checked his vitals!
@@MichaelGentry-le9njthey also weren't willing to sign the sworn testimonies that they said Chapman had done to be recommended for the congressional medal, which is fishy cause they knew they would be officially committing purgery!
“The Power of the Brand…” very poignant statement that’s a drop the mike moment right there…Jay thank u for a very informative channel
Such a shame them cats got away with murder
But why sir ?
The assault and murder on this man was horrific enough, but these fellow servicemen (high-level operators, at that) sexually assaulted him as well? When I was in Iraq in the mid 2000’s, I heard about a similar story and couldn’t even comprehend it… just because individuals reach high levels of service doesn’t mean they’re good people. Rest in peace, brother. I hope you’re in a better place, where you deserve to be.
How fucked up is this situation!
8.5/10?
Very..
Condolences to the family of Logan Melgar... I was NCIS and can say it was exhausting chasing the team guys around. With that said and as mentioned, we need guys like them in the battlefield. I am asked a lot what are the team guys like... Simply, they are pirates... it's a pirate lifestyle
Some of the most amazing people I met in my life were in my time in the military and some of the worst people o have ever met. Most people were good honorable men who wanted to serve their country. Don’t judge an entire community on the disgraceful acts of a few.
Meh, it seems like more than a few SEALs from what he said.
It’s an occurrence
This man has stomped on my rose colored glasses. In the last several weeks, many of the people on his ‘offenders list’ have been the subject of HIGHLY critical shows on RUclips. It’s been sobering. I found the Jocko Podcast, got of pain pills (legally prescribed, as if that really matters), got back in college, finished my bachelors in mechanical engineering and am on pace to finish my masters in right at a year from now. Jocko’s ethos have helped me find my center and fucking live. Now I find it was all a lie and basically, I was scammed. I’m not gonna lie, it has bashed my self-esteem on seeing the truth to the point I second guess myself constantly now. It’s nothing compared to what the victims of these guys endured and/or died from, but in my world that I can control, I’ve made myself feel pretty fucking stupid- like a teenager trying to reason out how Santa Clause COULD be real.
This is a really interesting and real thing that I've experienced myself. I believe it can be somewhat important to separate the lessons you've learned from who or what taught you them. Much of what Jocko says is still real, and if it's helped you curate a lifestyle of actual productivity - maybe you need to look in the mirror and give some grace to that person who really has put in the work player 💪
Don't build the ppl up that are delivering the msg! Build and focus upon the msg, not who's delivering it!
Everything about the gwot was a lie, so not surprising people do what their bosses Uncle Sam and big brother do.
I am a Retired US Marine, I was very lucky early in my years in the Corps I was surrounded by a few Great Leaders.… One of those Leaders talked to me about a Real Dirt bag we had in our Unit that was way up there in our Command Structure. Of course he pointed out the bad qualities of this person yet he also said You have to learn to use people to understand how you lead... Then he went on to explain, you can't just learn from watching The Good in Leaders, You also have to watch and pay attention to the Bad in Leaders to know What Not to be like... Then he explained the real hard part was understanding that Even Bad Leaders also have Really Good Traits also that you need to learn how to implement into your Leadership style.… With that he pointed out some of the Really good things this Dirt bag did that I should emulate... The hard part is understanding that if you actually pay attention to your surroundings and want to learn things to become better You really learn more from the Negative things people do because it's easier to see when people do stupid things so you know not to do them…. And then it's even harder to pay attention to those Really Bad Leaders to see the actual good things they do,,, yet when you really look for them and find them it makes a BIGGER impact... Now move on a bunch of years into My Marine Corps life... I became really good in my Occupational Specialty,,, I mean Really Good... I was advancing a lot quicker than others.… I was given a few special programs to start up in the Unit I was in... Then right after I completed the implementation of the last program I started up I was sent to be an Instructor at the School for my military occupational specialty.… I actually had a hard time fitting into the School house environment... Then one of the Course Supervisors had a talk to me about the problems,,, this person actually knew me from My years of being out in the Real Marine Corps... Well he explained to me something I heard in the Past... Those that can Do,,, Do,,,, Those that Can't,,, Teach... As I looked around at the Marines there I noticed that The really good Marines out in The Marine Corps had a harder time and had to work harder to be really good in a Class Room and it was just the opposite if a Marine was not really good in The Marine Corps they had an easier time fitting it in the Class Room... I always thought something was off with Jocko so after what I have come to know about him it only makes sense to me that he talks really good about how to be a Leader...
@@andallthatcouldhavebeen...9175
What's gwot?
Deep, deep, deep concerns here. The truth is out there. This is what happens when there is no accountability or oversight.
Not the first time I have heard about the broomstick stuff. We came back to Okinawa from msinland Japan in 90' and the vase was on lockdown because a group of Marines did that to another Marine...
Logan Melgar's murder is next level wrong.
I went through the course with Dedolph. He was always very smart and ruthless. No surprise when I heard what he did and how deliberate he was. Some people need to realize some of these guys are just sociopaths legally killing, and like serial killers their ego gets the best of them. Real Profesional soldiers would have cared less about the circumstances that lead to this.
Interesting fact is that Dedolph was one of the first, if not the first, SEAL corpsman to go straight through the SFMS/IDC program. He was a very good medic, in both skills and knowledge. Normally the SEAL medics would just do the first 6 months of the SOCM program with the Rangers, which is basically all trauma focused. Dedoplh was mature enough and skilled enough to be approved to go through the entire course. He was also an amateur mma fighter prior to joining. With that information, now consider the circumstances and tell me if a guy that skilled and knowledgeable bungles those two skills as they claimed. It was premeditated and he should be put to the plank befitting the traitor that he is.
This all goes back to General mcraven playing favorites with the Navy Seals and his senior officers doing anything to look the other way in order to avoid any type of discredit of the seals based on poor actions of the lower enlisted. They never followed through with the discipline and the Integrity part. So they all started to feel they were invincible and have been screwing up for decades now
Ive always known this was terrible. But i didn’t know it was that bad. They were gonna make a blackmail tape?!?
Old Dusty Army Ranger/Fed Agent Retired: The Hollywood image of “certain” units became a problem long ago…I fought in Panama & the “certain” unit shit the bed and got waxed on the Paitilla Airfield and I remember listening as a Ranger Company was chopped to relieve them as they weren’t mission effective at holding the Airfield. Not hate but on land they are hard but limted, Army Combat community & it SOCOM units are better for land missions!
The overall problem with SF units is the lack of accountability and the sheer lack of military professionalism.
They must all be reorganized into a professional SF unit, with customs and courtesies at the forefront.
As a 25-year retired infantry Marine, I have experienced every SF hotdog (Green Berets, Rangers, SEALS, and Raiders) out there, and your utter lack of professionalism, well, it sucks, point blank!
We have the UCMJ and code of conduct for a reason, and it is just far past time to tighten the screws.
Although I understand the reasoning behind needing irregular warfare warriors, you can and should still conduct yourselves as professionals.
The last thing we need is all of our SOF units to work like the Marine Corp..... Customs and courtesies are a waste of time for unconventional warfare. Leave that shit to the dog and pony conventional forces.
@@dylannewton9986 So your solution to an actual problem is to have "no" solution, because you are scared of discipline and professionalism. Got it!
There needs to way more vetting of SF and Seal candidates. Interviewing, neighbors, teachers, acquaintances, etc. you need people with integrity.
That’s what a lot of Israeli Special Forces units do. Alot of the selection is based around testing integrity and observing candidates making decisions when they think no one else is watching. Former SEAL Jack Car talked about this in his podcast few years back. He said he wishes more of that existed in NSW training.
Agreed or employ the British model and stop recruiting direct from civvy street and select from regular units, therefore they’re pre-vetted at military level
@@TG-ee2xicivilians aren’t recruited to SF or Tier One Units. They are assets. You don’t get to skip selection and be apart of a unit.
@@TG-ee2xi You have to be a active duty solider to volunteer for SF, and an E 5 or at least E 4 promotable when attending the selection process. And they do assessments of character and personality, the entire course serve that purpose.
@@herringbone5035 lol no you don't, it's called an 18 X contract, you can go from the street to SF selection, you just do airborne and infantry school. that might make the difference, but saying you literally cannot volunteer for SF off the street is straight up incorrect
In Britain you cant go straight into sf, you have to serve 3 years in Army/Navy/Air force first, get used to oversight and dicipline first, i'm not sf but the idea of going straight into sf when you join seems crazy to me, there is no time to assess their phsycological suitability
That’s how it used to be here. You had to be an E-5 a sgt in the army here. Ranger Batt you could go straight from airborne to RIP Ranger Indoctrination Program. I know the names have changed now. Just how the army has been changing since day one.
That’s the norm. There’s always been an x-ray course( on and off through the decades).
It’s normally for special skills. Very few make it through. There’s been former foreign soldiers, who speak much needed languages. Tim Kennedy was an X-Ray.
That was their plan. To black mail him that's insane
The irony of doing all that criminal activity to "protect the brand" and it's precisely that activity that has tarnished "the brand"
All the brilliant Navy SEAL members must be livid that their Trident has lost its sheen due to these gangsters in their group.
“Ranger Batt is the same way….” What happened to Pat Tillman? There’s been plenty of stupid criminal behavior in every community in SOCOM and in the conventional military. No organization is immune to this.
The military community will do better and move on.
Tillman was a friendly fire incident.
Logan Melgar was premeditated murder and torture of another service member. Not to mention misappropriation of tax payer funds
'Friendly fire' but the guy is screaming at his comrades that he's a friendly and is pretty close to them. Sure real friendly fire happens but that one was always so odd to me. Also, they had to drag a broken humvee with them but burned his notes?
SEAL/S had a bad reputation when I was in Ranger Bat. I never attended SFAS, but a Ranger Buddy of mine did and the SEAL/S were training there at the same time. He said they acted like a bunch of college frat boys, and young punks. He wasn’t the only one to later tell me that. I trained with some at JRTC, their land nav skills were a joke. You could hear them; very loud.
I’ve heard that they’re super loud as well. A friend of mine was telling me the difference between green berets and seals in land nav and some other training they were doing and how quiet the green berets were. He said they could hear the seals from almost a mile away
@@jbird4165Whoever your friend is is spot on.
bcs they are full of lies and don't serve the flag they serve themselves that's not what they stand for period. there are alot of bad apples and its just about time to clean house. @@_Dylan15
@_Dylan15 Maybe, they sort of point the spotlight at themselves?
@@_Dylan15 Wrong... whatever reputation they have, they've earned it, good or bad... You wanna whine about "unfair" exposure, then perhaps u should focus on all the current and former SEALs who chased the money for books and movie deals, and all the other shit they got caught up in... Bottom line is the SEAL community did this shit to themselves.
I am sorry to hear this. One of the hardest lessons I learnt in the Army was that even though you wear the same flag, they will still take your career or your life for arbitrary reasons.
Jeremiah 17:9-11
"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
I the LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.
As the partridge sitteth on eggs, and hatcheth them not; so he that getteth riches, and not by right, shall leave them in the midst of his days, and at his end shall be a fool."
Nothing surprising here. You have commands full of serial killers. To turn On your own isn't that far out of the realm of possibilities.
When y’a build your castle on a shitty foundation…
…you get army SF.
This was horrible! Somehow I feel like if this was done to a raider or seal there'd be way more outrage. I remember the green beret cadre that released the letter to the army saying training has been weakened immensely a few years ago.
This channel is becoming an incredible resource..
Incredible source of bull shit! Is the end of that sentence.
@@Dirk-my2zf easy wounded warrior, easy now
@@Lordfinessse don’t let the truth get in the way of your fantasy land. 😆
There has been no group of people to discredit themselves more than the Navy Seals have during the GWOT.
And yet the ass kissing continues... totally unreal.
When I was younger I really wanted to be a SEAL. Now I'm glad that I didn't do it. Not that I'm absolutely sure I would have made it or anything. But it seems like since it's blown up in the public it has attracted the wrong people going in for the wrong reasons
@@heartandmindovercome3214don’t kid yourself, you would have never completed BUD/S.
Says who?
@@Dirk-my2zf A fellow GWOT veteran and those in the video. Get bent about it.
I can’t believe these guys got away with murder of an American soldier, doing a year in jail for that is getting away with it…. To be honest I don’t remember this story being all over the news. Maybe I just missed it because I can’t watch the news often. I feel horrible for his family and thank god he told his wife. May he rest in peace.
Makes me happy I got out. I tell young guys joining the military is like joining prison. This proves it.
It's nothing like prison
@johnkarcis5142 have you done both military and prison? I'll admit I haven't been to prison but a guy I knew who did 3 years made coalitions between the two ininstitutions. I joke my first unit in the Army was like a minimum security prison, from the barb wire ambiance to the screaming, smoke sessions, complete lake of empathy and high number of psychopaths. Granted we got paid and we could sometimes leave....they owned us.
Not even close my guy
@@EricThompsonClimber you're comparing being in the military to being incarcerated...? Just trying to understand what you're talking about
@@cwr8618 essentially yes. And it's 80/20 a joke but partially true.
When you report facts and then include inferences and opinions without designating them as such, you imply that everything you say is a fact. That does not make you a reliable source…which you probably are, but you need to clean up how you convey information or you will not be taken seriously.
Tragic misstep in justice here. This is heartbreaking. A man who protected us all has no retribution when betrayed by his brothers.
All of this and more is detailed in the book “Code Over Country; The Tragedy and Corruption of Seal Team 6.”
Yep, they'll talk about how they put so much of their lives on the line and then protect their own weird code rather than make a half decent attempt to not be a criminal.
That book is a load of shit written by a sensational journalist to make money of dolts like you.
That book is pure fiction written by a sensationalist.
Thank you for speaking up and bringing awareness for Logan
Never in the military worked with lots of veterans. One thing I noticed a sizable portion are psychopathic.
Are you a psychologist/psychiatrist?
Its a SOF problem and especially for those communities that are unspoken of.
Failure of command and giving authority and control to people who shouldn’t have it.
Those murderers got off with light sentences. What an outrage.
U S M C Assist Chief of Staff at El Toro was killed after he found drug running. The mil. Called it suicide. 1 28 1991 . James E. Sabow
Jesus they used a broomstick? Wtf
Messed up, right?
Wow. I knew there was some kind of shady shit that went down with this. The second I saw the news article about some type of “accident”. Fucking shameful man.
I am a Navy man and am disgusted with everything that I have heard going on with this community. This is a leadership issue and it needs to be addressed.
Exactly. Good leadership prevents things like this from happening.
You are a know nothing Black Shoe and it shows.
You are a know nothing Black Shoe.
You are a know nothing SHOE.
You are a black shoe.
Great interview I love his work and it's awesome you guys are collaborating as a fan of both you guys thank you. Especially telling us more about Logan what happened to him is just outrageous and just a disgrace on the entire SOF community. I really do hope that actions are being taken prevent another incident like this doesn't take place again.
The continuous issue with these SEAL disasters seems to be supervision. Lack of supervision. Lack of consequences from supervision. Overall lack of leadership. I think the scope of their operations needs to be pulled way back. They seem to be operating way beyond their design, staffing, equipment, and training. How they constantly override the other branches baffles me.
You have zero clue what the fvck you are talking about.
Always dirt bags at every level in society I remember hearing about the seals killing the spec forces soldier sorry for you loss I didn’t like it at all when I first heard I am glad to hear more about the situation from those that know more about the situation itself.
As a GWOT Veteran I am disgusted by the crime...the cover-up...and the lax sentence! As a military we have to do some real soul searching.
Another Failed War. Another amerimutt Defeat...😂😂😂
Recon & seal murder special forces soldier fked up
Once a special ops group get tons of positive publicity.. it's only a matter of time till arrogance and a superman complex takes over .
" Underwater Basket weaving " 😂...an oldie but goodie .
I remember this story and it infuriated me. There are a few specifics I'd never heard until now though.
" Satan tempting Jesus "....yep .
"The power of the brand "
I disagree completely we want people with good morals and values and trust me. Those people could be just as ruthless as the criminal. The criminal will always be there for the self. The moral guy will always be there for the team in the mission. Big difference. I understand what you’re saying Mat but I disagree
Well you’re not a part of our community so your point is moot.
You’re not a part of our little girl community …what are you, 12 years old….
An alarming account of failed discipline.
Teamhouse also interviewed Matthew cole from 2 yrs ago. I suggest tapping into that.
This is disgusting on multiple levels.The SEALS have some real deviants and criminals in their ranks. Looks like MARSOC isn't any better. I don't see how the operators in Army SF can have any collective kind of cordial much less professional relationship with either the SEALS or MARSOC after this.
If things are truly this ethically bad (not disagreeing) then our CI corps is somehow complicit if these guys/leadership are getting to keep their clearances, right?
This is really terrifying, but it has happened in the past , just not to this level for an entire unit like the Seal’s .
@mattcubbler I’ve followed your journey listening to all of your podcasts. We need a podcast with you and Mathew Cole the author of the book sitting behind you. Which is the only book I’ve sat down and read in 10 years. Also, with all of this publicity your getting it’s time to get together an office to video from instead of your bedroom😂
Wow. Didn’t know about the suicide over blackmail. Very sad.
You have always had a bad taste in your mouth about the Seal Teams! Even after talking with your Seal friend who gave you some sound advice which you chose to ignore.
Imagine getting smoked by you’re own guys I’m sure this broke or at least started a rupture within the agencies of spec ops teams and personnel
SF guys are tough right up until the time they are getting choked out.
so thats why mr ballin the story teller was blackballed from the seal community for telling stories because he wasnt in the inner circle good for mr ballin
So sad brother I knew Logan as well . He was a great guy he was very straight and legal person. Those assholes and the seal cycled up . Including his girlfriend
This is so sad . RIP to Logan . None of the Marines I was with would ever even consider doing this . Things like this shouldn’t be swept under the rug
The problem is that you are dealing with dangerous people. I spent three tours in Vietnam with Special Forces and Ranger units, so I have some experience. Basically, strong NCO's are the key to team disciple. Sure, there were fights, but people didn't get stupid. There seems to be a different attitude among current spec ops.
Do a podcast on corrupt contractors and Halliburton/KBR no bid contracts in Iraq. This is a high profile horrific incident here , however there are many more similar. Stories of greed and corruption, black market, no accountability.
Audio is terrible for such a great interview
Was he the only gb/ army personnel on site?
No
Out of all my fed and state charges, I never had a co-defendant.
I forget there is another story i think it involved a Deltaforce guy in Fort Hood cant remember if there was another seal involved but the Delta guy murdered the seal then an unknown guy or group of guys killed the Delta guy idk if they were involved with the cartels or what but whatever it was it was really bad.
The seals call everybody bad in the army delta guys, to make them look good.
I dont really understand what people expect... This dudes travel around the world killing people for a living and you don't expect that every now and then something fucked up is gonna happen
Not to team mates.
Nobody needs SF they are not what you think
Interesting stuff. I haven’t heard about the broom usage before. I’m curious where he got that info.
This is important thank you for putting this out there
Wow. Right when I heard “if you do this, all of this will be yours.” I thought of Jesus in the wilderness. Thank you for th work you’re doing. Grace, Peace and Blessings 🙏👏👏
I submitted a fictional short story about melgar in a competition a few years back and that was before the trials ended. Totally sad story tbh.