Ex-Green Beret Kills His Commander
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Kevin Edgerton a former green beret and owner of 18 alpha fitness talks about the day a commander was killed by a former green beret while he was working on base.
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Please read my comment and explain to me, if you would what you meant about firearms, being surprisingly easy to get in Texas. Shouldn't they be or just for folks like you? It's in my comment why it's important to me to know.
I remember reading about this. Dude was a former Green Beret who got out and was having a hard time with civilian life. He worked for the FBI briefly and then became a security contractor. He then tried to get back into the Army and they rejected him. Then he went to the Air Force and got into the PJ program but failed water confidence during Indoc. He got into a real personal beef with some of the instructors and he got ticked that they were laughing and telling him how they loved to wash out former 18 Delta guys. Went AWOL, got an Article 15, and came back to the base and whacked the commander. Sad story.
« The brotherhood » I thought that was a thing in the military
@@LeDiamondDognot really. it exists in small circles yes ,but not in the grand scheme of things everyone's out for their own career and whomevers carrer can help advance theirs.
Dudes could have tried to be a bit more humble. Moral of the story: don’t make fun of an SF dude if you aren’t prepared for the heat.
@@under651bridge I kind of agree with that but the commander didn't make fun of him lol
Pj's are sf my guy
I knew Steve and had trained with him on a number of occasions. He was an Army Ranger, highly decorated and served tours in Afganistan, Kosovo and as a contactor in Iraq. He retired, completed FBI training and was stationed in the NYC office. The last time I trained with him was in NY and he was still with the FBI. We had lunch together after that training session and I could tell he wasn't thrilled with the work he was doing so I wasn't totally surprised when I found out he had resigned from the FBI and was attempting to get into the Air Force special operations.
He was reserved but friendly. Given his extensive military background I was attentive to how he would accept training and his demeanor with other students. There was nothing that stood out as he humbly received instruction and was helpful in working technique with other students. Never arrogant or overbaring. This was back in 2011 - 2012, four years before the tragic event referenced in this video. Needless to say I was totally shocked when this incident occurred.
"Sergeant _____ had no children and never married. His only company at home was a single, sprawling house plant, that had its own room and that he lavished with attention..." taken from a times article. He deployed multiple times with the regiment and because he was in the guard would deploy in the interim as a contractor. This is just my opinion but I think his entire identity he had wrapped around being an elite warfighter and at the end of that he had nothing. I think it's a problem that has come out of the GWOT, in the race to create more of the elite, America has pushed the narrative toward young men in particular, that the job/ hat/ tab/ identifier - is the end state. I didn't know Sergeant ____ but I have known others like him that didn't have anything else other than their hooah stories and a house plant shrine... literally an over grown aloe vera plant named cthulu. Luckily the person I know learned to be a human.
I think we all kind of felt that. I remember when I left active duty, a bunch of incidents occured that essentially made me Rage ETS. I flipped the finger, packed my bags, and send bon voyage to the green suit. Once I was out, I started realizing that I had wrapped up so much of my identity in being a soldier, that I really didn't know much about who I was without it. I ended up getting into federal law enforcement, and years later I returned to the guard. By this time, I had found out who I was and the person I wanted to be. So much so that I did a short stint in the guard and got out because I had learned to function without the army and I no longer clung my validation to how I felt in uniform.
GWOT: Rangers lead the way
Post-GWOT: HOUSE PLANTS LEAD THE WAY 🪴
I ditched the plant eventually and adopted a stray cat and a stray woman.
@@ce6654I'm glad I went in the army and glad I got out. Did 8 years, from 1981 to '89. If I had to live my life over again, knowing what I know now, I'm not sure if I would enlist the second time around. Some things I miss about it,like some of the people I knew then, and places I've been to that I never would have seen otherwise.
@@truthseeker2321what did you do during those years? I bet you tell ppl you have trauma and PTSD 😂
I briefly knew that Sergeant and did not get along with him, but I did respect him. He was an active duty Green Beret before he went to the 19th. He was highly trained with considerable real world experience, but had in my opinion some social issues and just could not find his place. He was also one who was not used to failing and the PJ incident was the trigger that made him snap. I also believe he took some unnecessary crap from them that greatly contributed.
Cap .
What sort of social issues
@@youreoverthinkingitkidHe was a loner that didnt get along with people. He had no compassion and seemed to hold everyone to this high standard. That was just my experience.
@@RackeddUpPull up your pants.
@@AJohnSmith you’re broke irl. Please
Talk about heavy. Imagine that feeling of not losing any men in combat, but 1 at home. That would be hell. I can't wait to hear Kevin's story.
I was stationed at Lackland going through tech school as Security Forces when this happened. I remember this day vividly.
I'm actually suprised this doesn't happen more in the army with how command hates the enlisted soldiers. It's crazy
It happened when our guys got back from Deployment in 2011 on Fort Bragg. Insane.
@@nittyblahblah8939 I don't think he was insinuating that. I also don't think he's also wrong about the outright disdain some officers have for the enlisted or the out-of-touch, self-serving actions they take in order to pad their OER with a few good bullets.
@@ce6654 exactly. Thank you. Vietnam was infected with soldiers fragging their superiors. It's very real and can happen anytime. It's terrifying
@trevorpachunka3352 I mean, most people have morals and realize that there's other avenues now. Vietnam was a whole other animal, and the draft probably didn't make it much easier. As far as we know, it wasn't a problem in WWII or Korea. It wasn't really a problem after Vietnam either, and incidents of it happening didn't really start manifesting until a few years into the GWOT. A lot of times, the target of the ire is the tormentor, not usually the Commander. The commander targeting him doesn't seem to be applicable here, and STS SWOs are not usually known for having disdain for their guys or trainees. This happened because this guy was mentally gone and should never have been there.
@ce6654 mental health is one hell of a monster
I remember that day. I was working on Lackland as a civilian and they put the message out for active shooter. We couldn’t believe it when we found out what happened. He should have never been admitted into AF after failing FBI psych eval. Sad
Were you there in 2018 when the guy in the civil engineering dorm got caught w a pistol n was gonna shoot our shit up ?
@@RackeddUp Not sure, I left
Aug 18. Don’t think I remember that one
It happened in April 2016
@@eruditeettero258 I was def there working at hospital
Place next to zero faith in the FBI screening process. I’m living proof you can be completely honest and qualified, and fail. It’s completely arbitrary who passes/fails, and why. All up to the examiner of individual phases. They don’t like you? Fail. They have a bad day? Fail. My polygrapher was a navy QM, didn’t like SOF folks. It happens…
"So presently easy to get." WTF Mr I Shall Infringe?
This guy was on my team, I feel everyday that we got lucky this wasn't any of us as he was always a difficult personality to deal with. We all thought he got out of the service for a job with the FBI until we heard about this
I'm glad that he didn't hurt any of you. I wish this never happen. I keep thinking about how that Commander saved 1SG and how him standing in the gap reminds me of how Jesus stands in the gap for us. Praying for you, your families and your team.
I was in basic when this happened. They told us to lock down in the barracks and hide under the beds. I had buddies in the special warfare side who knew the guy and told me the story later once I got to tech school
I went to boot camp shortly after this in Lackland, things were tense and I had no idea why.
something missing in screening.. if word ws out and FBI kick him, WHY was he allowed to reup?
Exactly. If he failed psych eval how did he get picked up for PJ?
It's crazy because the FBI don't actually share those psych eval records with the military, so unless you self-report, there's probably no way they'd be able to get their hands on them. It might be that the reason the army showed him the door when he tried getting back in was because he had reported his failure, so he learned his lesson and didn't say anything about it and it wouldn't surprise me if he had help from his recruiters.
Why would every role necessarily have identical psych requirements from candidates? And why assume that an evaluation done at one time will always be a timeless reflection of the person’s current state? Even going to two different evaluator’s always creates totally different reports that often contradict each other. There’s a lot of subjectivity and opinion involved in an exam.
@animula6908 There's also this assumption that the federal government shares records - they don't! The VA and military don't even do proper record sharing. His Army reenlistment tanked, which means he might have self-reported his FBI psych failure. After that, surely, with help from recruiters, he probably didn't report it and was able to enlist.
@@ce6654 True, very stovepiped!
I literally was thinking this had to be the Green Beret that Killed the Delta operator “Friend”. I never knew about this incident.
It was a Delta Operator who killed a GB. The police ruled it as a suicide. Then said Delta Operator and a former army guy were found executed at Ft. Bragg.
@@Widemouth1832that is a separate incident from what O.P.* is talking about, the guy who killed his 'Friend' who took him to a range day in a civilian situation.
The one you're talking about was a guy killing another with I believe a screw driver who was trying to get his daughter away from the other guy who had a gun and was crazy as shit, framed the father then wound up dead on base alongside another.
Kevin Edgerton is the real deal as a Tactical Strength Coach!
Programs for Vets retiring need to be better, period. When you've trained & used these people to do things no normal person can do, you cannot ust expect them to go back to normal life without issues. Their whole lives have been living at level 100%, then give them the normal boring RL without the adrenaline release & reward of mission accomplishments, bad things will happen. It's on our Armed Forces & Veterans Assc. to do better.
2016 I remember clearly. I was in training when it happened. Crazy 😕
As former enlisted [ U.S. Navy ], I will say this is disturbing but not surprising. Never went Spec Ops, but served with both Navy and Marines at MCRD Parris Island, S.C. There were some permanent personnel that were clearly on the edge of a breakdown, a good number of recruit suicide attempts [ most were pathetic ], and a troubling number that were simply incapable of following orders or protocol without constant supervision. These folks were a distinct minority, but were still disturbing. That a few will fail at something and cast blame on others comes as no surprise, even to the point of murder/ suicide.
Wow! I did My Basic training in USAF at Lackland in late 1980....Damn! This reminds me of that scene in Full Metal Jacket except for real.....Commander was brave as shit saving the NCO's life before He got shot by that asshole
Served as a Training Instructor 94-98. PJs would hit the flights up on day 1 or 2 for volunteers to come to the pool for try outs. Majority of these folks were returned to the flight. However, as far as my fellow TI cadre was concerned there were some immature, egotistical, power drunk little punks. Example: We would be in the chow hall or common area in the squadron, an airman would make a mistake and these clowns would berate them for several minutes that had nothing to do with what they did wrong. Just wanted to run their pie-hole at high volume. I would tell them hey just make the correction and press on and if you want to yell while you do it that is fine too but don’t waste time demonstrating what kind of idiot you are. That was mild. There were other so called TIs that would sell patio breaks, break into security drawers, sexually abuse trainees or other forms of maltreatment. Most of them would be found out one way or another. I remember one who was having an affair with a female trainee and got busted and later committed suicide. Crazy times but damn I learned a lot about myself and the human condition.
This kind of shit was rare when I was in the army 40 years ago, but it's one of the many reasons why I never got past 8 years of service. Too damn many egotistical assholes who have more stripes than common sense, who use their position to mess with others below their rank in their own private power play. This shit doesn't work out well in the civilian world, where knuckle sandwiches can still be dished out without much consequences for those serving them. I watched a retired army master sergeant spit out teeth after cussing a burly truck driver one time, and the only repercussions that driver faced was getting barred from the property forever. I laughed my ass off and said " you tell him sarge "!
I had a friend in the Army, and he told me about a recruit who couldn’t handle the stress anymore, and so one day when they were training with live grenades, the guy took a grenade, pulled the pin, and gave the drill Sergeant a bear hug.
That story has been around for more than 40 years. In fact, I heard a version of it 42 years ago when I was a recruit.
You guys should review Season 2 of Reacher. The fights, tactics, and medical treatment are terrible. They need Tyler Grey as a technical advisor if there is another season.
In order to enjoy Reacher (season 1 or 2) you have to be roughly 14 years old. What a complete garbage show
@@Beyrouth_ Its not that bad hot damn LOL
But yeah the cliches are annoying as fuck
Dude is a 6’5” giant who fights quite a few professional assassins (some with full auto long guns) and never gets shot…I don’t think they are going for realism in that franchise 😂 It is almost like John Wick, but with a more brutal, less “finesse” oriented lead.
Season 2's tactics are such a downgrade. At least in the first one there was some sense in the things he did, and most of the brawls were fistfights that are excusable for spectacle sake. But the cemetery gunfight in S2 was painful to watch.
What do you expect when the source material - the Reacher books - is not that great. Isn't Lee Child a producer on the show?
100% preventable. When you identify really troubled troops, you MUST act. Case: The troop at Camp New York in the Udari , Kuwait. He was IDENTIFIED as a sympathizer with the current 'red force'. Still deployed.....go figure..
Ya guess what. My brother was in that selection class talked to a few of the guys he was with. The guy passed the u defeated swim and the instructors basically failed him anyway cause they hated him so much. He wore his tan to piss them off. Basically he got pissed and said fuck u guys they were laughing at him and shit after failing him. Ya he’s a psychopath and comes back to kill the commander.
I dont believe you for a second 😂
@@snakeoo7caSeen it a few times, believe it.
Consensus seems to be he was an jerk long before this
Life is hard😢
I was on lackland when this happened.. was nuts that day.
Jesus this is so sad😢
I remember this, as I live in SA.
What do you mean by "Its Texas, guns are surprisingly easy to get..." Wtf does that mean?? That it should be harder for a law abiding citizen to acquire one? That only ex spec ops should have them like that goofball at black rifle coffee??!! Please respond to this. I want to know how you stand on 2A please. I have the same right, just as you do to own firearms. Me being in the ARMY 6yrs myself isn't a qualification. I imagine you own a firearm? Please explain why it should be hard for John Q citizen to purchase one. Criminals can get one a whole lot easier than a righteous person can....
I thought the same thing when I heard that comment...
@@Vanillagrayman I'm still waiting on a response.
That comment instantly turned me off to the whole rest of the interview. A few of the guys I served with supported infringement and I stopped talking to them. People that that have been promoted to the tops of a lot of places and we are seeing the results.
Easy pardner! I think you misread his comment. I don't think he was indicating any anti-2A vibes.
I was in tech school at lackland when this happened
I rememberer this story. Wild
We're in texas buddy doesnt bring back my dead friend either. Sorry for your loss. Rip Mo
Lord, help the families who will never be the same again.
That Lawnmower in the background tho
I am worried about these "special forces" and their safety.
I went to schoole and we had a special needs class, and I can only imagine if these were drafted, or conscripted ( we have consription for a mandartory 1 year) they would be special forces......
They flunked him on purpose and he decided to get back at them.
Why bring the story up then tell the interviewr you dont wanna talk about the person who did it?
That’s crazy.
This was on Lackland and not Medina? I went through CCT pipeline back in 09’ and back then there was almost nobody from AFSOC on Lackland proper. Entire Command staff was on Medina.
But honestly PJs are all weirdos and their cadre take EXTRA pride in being the AF golden boys.
HOO-YA CCT/SOWT
FIRST THERE!
ONE FOR TEAMWORK!
ONE FOR FALLEN COMRADES!
Thats fucking terrible
what was the article 15 for?
2:44
Please explain PJ
Para rescue bring aid and extraction of down pilots and others rescue in the field. Think of the movie Perfect Storm. helicopter rescue units.
Chit Happens
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IF YOUR HURTING, TURN TO JESUS FOR HE IS FAITHFUL AND TRUSTWORTHY MY FRIEND.
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Wonder if the whole outcome of that story could have been changed with 2 glasses, a bottle, and the order to "Have a seat."
I knew him very well and he was a close friend of mine. He came to see me after he went awol. The instructors treated him horribly. The entire situation was very sad. I miss him.
Panjwayi District, Kandahar. Robert Bales. Look this up. The fucking hit US soldiers got after the village elder was denied to take justice..... was terrible
He’s in jail tho
first red flag failed the FBI physic eval and went awol ..
Most of the people in the military wouldn’t pass the FBI psyche evaluation.
Did he actually fail the psychology test, or was the test results “inconclusive”, meaning something doesn’t add up or the person being tested is either above or below the average curve/scale. While I was on active duty in the US Marine Corps, I had to take the Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory (MMPI) Test, when I volunteered to be a USMC Drill Instructor. Many years later, I was tested again using the MMPI, by a psychiatrist in North Carolina. The psychiatrist was trying to determine, whether or not I was psychologically fit and stable enough to be a North Carolina, State Probation/Parole Officer. Then, some years after that test, I once again, got tested by another psychiatrist because I was having severe migraines and problems with my short-term memory. Although, each test was conducted independently of each other and administered on different dates, all three test results came back with the same results. I basically scored above and below the normal scale/curve on several yes or no (true/false) answers. All three separate tests were classified as “inconclusive”. Normally, when or if a person has any psychological test performed, and the overall test results are inconclusive, that person usually has to be further tested or evaluated by a psychiatrist or psychologist, to determine why the test is inconclusive. Since the main objective of the MMPI is to determine if a person has any psychiatric disorders, most law enforcement agencies, use the MMPI Test, as a pre employment tool.
@@denniswatson6622Most of the FBI, CIA and probably every one in government service wouldn't pass it either.
Do you fuckin blame either of them?
Went " full metal jacket!"
I don't know if any of this is true at all, just sharing info I heard recently before coming across this. I'm not making light of the deaths or sticking up for anyone. Just sharing what i heard.
I talked to a former Tac-P the other day who was in training a year after this, he said one of his buddies was a recycle that was in training with this guy. He said the guy was a good enough dude and never messed with anybody, he said the instructors treated him like garbage and would tear his room up when he wasn't there and all that becayse he showed up to selection wearing his green beret or something. Idk
That’s some heavy shit bro. Damn.
Oh my God!
Ok that's heavy 😅
STS SWO
I'm a military psychiatrist and obviously a psychologist by extension. I spent my early prac in perhaps some of your referenced geos but I obviously can't say.
Men like this are common and the acts conducted are usually complete delirium induced. For eg. before I was even born my uncle was killed by a vet in a cinema with an axe.
They called it shell shock back then and people akin to me, try to work out how ptsd treatments *as we refer to it now of course*, that can help vets to achieve a simple normal.
youd think they would have caught his crazy in the interviews
Well, you eat your own so...