this would be a based video if it wasnt for the fact that lathe literally just turned india into a British apartheid state and honestly thats a worse fate than independence
There are no words to express the frustration I have from constantly wanting you to get rid of the french treaty ports. But the rest of the vid was a lot of fun.
I don't know if you have noticed this but Frances economy sky rockets because of the Indian treaty port. And because of how treaty ports work France can trade with the entire Britisch market for free. The moment you broke free they lost that ability hampering there growth by a lot.
Pondicherry being the reason for their success is a myth. The reason France skyrockets is because it has a huge population, very good laws from the start, and no large lacks of any kind of resource. France in game also doesn't suffer from the lowered population growth they experienced historically in this time period.
@@mainman879 Yeah, this is one big issue with the game's accuracy, it rests way more on laws and literacy than on urbanization which was in fact the primary drive of economic growth untill the late XXth century. France had a sizeable population that could more or less read and in many ways the most visionnary laws in Europe but its economy was still heavily rural and the countryside couldn't really accomodate more people because of the country's population density. French history in the XIXth century was mired by economical crisis often created by a rise in grain prices because of bad harvests. This issue would only be resolved in the last decades of the century when large scale urban industrial complexes would finally start to massively appear. On the other hand a larger country like Germany managed to grow a lot more and also imported most food it couldn't produce thus allowing for sustained demographical growth and continuous urbanization...
Now take revenge on America as the Indian Territories. I just want to see a good Indian Territories campaign. I want to see how you can make it work when you start as a landlocked puppet state. The only playthrough I have seen involved loading and reloading until they could get France to help them declare independance from the U.S, I want to see how you can do it on Iron Man mode.
@@PrettierNPastel Actually I think I figured it out. You start as the U.S., you fully annex the Indian Territories, then you release them as an independent and select "play as". You can't select "play as" when releasing a puppet or other subject nation which is why you need to annex them first. This can all be done in Iron Man mode. If that doesn't work then do what I actually did: Start as U.S., release Indian Territories, then release Cherokee and select play as, then conquer the Indian Territories, and release them and select "play as". I don't know why the above method wouldn't work when this does, but I do know that this does. Alternatively I suppose you could just take revenge on the U.S. as Cherokee or even Hindosaunee.
@@targetlockedgaming8349 The nation is called Indian Territories in game because that is what the U.S. historically called it when they created it as a place to put Native Americans. The only thing I actually referred to as "Indian" was that nation. Cherokee and Hindosaunee would indeed also be Native American nations (or "Indigenous Americans" as their cultural heritage is referred to as in game). I do wish that becoming independent from the U.S. would allow the nation to rename itself (perhaps as Oklahoma since they start off with most of Oklahoma state), but alas that is yet to be the case. For a gaming channel I find it weird that you would take issue with someone using an in game term.
Hey Laith, if you ever start getting bored of vanilla Vicky, I recommend the Divergences mod. It's an alternate history overhaul were the English won the hundred years wars, Isabel of Castille married the prince of Portugal rather than Aragon, the Stuarts inherited the Kalmar Union, and Burgundy and the Commonwealth still exist. It's based of an old mod for Vicky II and it's still a work in progress but the old Divergence of Darkness mod was the best mod for Vicky II in my opinion and I am certain that Divergences will live up to that. The only other thing I'll mention is the Ming managed to set up colonies in California and Australia before exploding, those colonies are now the independent republics of Qingqiu and Zhourao. You got to check this mod out.
@29:20 I don’t know if you figure this out later but is says “pops don’t have qualifications to become officers” Qualifications in a number primarily determined by literacy- and is irrelevent in European homelands due to pre/early industrial schooling and casual Protestant literacy but anyway - the way to boost it is a university which gives a modifier on qualifications gain %. And might increase literacy rate/equilibrium. Also. You often run with spare authority I recommend putting “social mobility “edict/decree on populous states as non-western powers. It increases literacy and qualifications and can really help catch you up in tech. As an extra note, literacy base rate is 2*SoL. So a 11 wealth pop will equilibrium to 22% literacy over time. An 18 wealth pop to 36%. Each level of public/charity schools adds 10% on top also. Then you’ve got universities and mobility edicts on top which aren’t strictly necessary. But what this does/might mean is universities are the only building you want to disperse across provinces, rather than centralise in a single state and get the throughput bonus on.
The law itself isn't very interesting. It just removes political parties. It was fun turning the US into the United Syndicates of America, an Anarchist Commune where the 1% were all unemployed and had lower standard of living than the lowest strata. The only reason the capitalists didn't starve is because I had a robust welfare system.
@@eriksolce7000 well doing an anarchist playthrough would be more than just the law similar to the communist playthrough it would be like abolishing the police and doing as progressive policies as possible
This would be a good game to get an absolute Opium monopoly. India, parts of China, Stan area, Persia. That’s where all the opium is. Military dominance and drugging the world.
if you don't have enough infrastructure build ports until they are full. You get the extra convoys which is huge and they also provide infrastructure per level!
This was pretty cool. France improving a lot but then later imploding was interesting. Here's two suggestions for other runs: As Prussia/Germany dominate Europe but stay friendly with your (later) cousins meaning England and Russia as long as they are at least parliamentary monarchy and stay monarchist yourself. Colonies are allowed if you don't piss them off by getting them. As Japan establish an ideal Greater Co-Prosperity Sphere. The exact borders are up for debate but your "junior partners" should have a decent standard of living and not too much oppression. Not sure what the exact parameters or borders should be.
Iirc the beef/ham grease was a myth that circulated among the troops that wasn't actually true and the british officers just didn't care about dispelling
@@SarajevoShotz oh wow so i made my India runs 100 times harder by wanting to do the other journals before leaving the British. its hard because every law change u need makes the landowners revolt.
Check out the "Anbeeld's Revision of AI" mod, makes the AI actually compotent, honorable mentions to "More Oil States (From Patch 1.1 DD)" and "Automatic Irrigation for Rubber", adds the changes to oil and rubber states coming in patch 1.1. There is also a community patch on the paradox forums, nut sure what it does exactly but it at least increases combat width, makes warfare more exiting.
"makes warfare more exiting" how when 99.99% of the problem is that the AI never seems to advance military tech so by the 1880s its entirely possible to mow down the entire world by yourself. Laith basically showcased that problem in this video...
Anbeeld's AI mod + Best War mod is pretty damn good, I've had the AI keep up with me in miltech and also be actually competent. If only they could fix the ridiculous 139183139191 fronts popping up now maybe warfare could not be totally trash
EIC becoming 'independent' but all your elites are named "Barnaby Wetworth" and "Lord Buttercup" is one of those things that completely takes me out of the game
The EIC has become independent, not India. This is literally a corporate state owned by the englishmen who work at the top. Only difference being they aren't even subordinate to the homelands anymore.
The game is far from finished and riddled with bugs. They're releasing patch 1.1 before the end of the year which is meant to fix most of these bugs (I doubt it will, there are too many). I would wait until at least patch 1.1 drops. The game will probably be cheaper by then too, I picked it up for 25usd a few weeks back.
The gdp of france skyrockets in part to their access to the Britisch Market. Bcause you broke away from their Market, they only have access to yours now, meaning that you nerfed them until you get the better market then the brittish one.
Since you're going with that reverse or revenge colonization, I challenge you to go play Philippines, then reverse colonize all of Spain's Latin America, and even Spain herself!
The request will never stop Laith. You know the challenge. Play as Croatia in VIC 3, you must get old yugoslavia borders back, you must embargo austria ottomans serbia and montenegro, also you cant ally them. If you want more of an challenge as that may seem too easy, here are few rules if you want them - must stay monarchy always, at the end of challenge be at the top 10 great powers. This is 22 day of asking. Come on brother I know you can see it.
I know this sounds extremely cursed, but how about a monarchist USA/CSA (you may choose which one you like the most)? Together with some good ol' colonialism for said nation, could be fun (especially if you "colonize" Europe)
Title feels a tad clickbaity - You never actually formed India. You just made EIC independent, forming an India based counterpart to the British Empire still ruled by an English elite, culture and religion.
Try to make Socialist Yugoslavia with Serbia (Labor rights - Women rights to max, Secret police, Command Economy, Universal voting and Presidential republic) Strongest political organisation should be Trade unios - Labor movment
Having enacted multiculturalism as the US, I can say that the only effect is has is making all the immigrants become Dixie or Yankee. So now Tennessee, Alabama, and Texas are full of Dixie Muslims because of all the Kazakhs moving there.
The East India Company ☕🪷 would be proud of you sticking it to the monarchy and parliament it was always had a culture clash with. Also, to take vengeance on the time they backstabbed it by annexing it for their own mistake (they were the one with the Grease idea _or went along with it_ 😜).
POV: you, as a Qing soldier, fighting in the Russians in England cause some Indian company had a problem with the British
"Indian" company
*British company in india
A few decades later we have a similar situation because a Serb shot an Austrian
Godzilla had a stroke reading this and died
this would be a based video if it wasnt for the fact that lathe literally just turned india into a British apartheid state and honestly thats a worse fate than independence
I'm glad I am not the only who thought this lol
It would be better if he played as the sikh empire or some native Indian nation
how?
This video is based and I won't stand for any laith slander
It’s a game. Get over yourself.
33:47 Prussia declaring independence when they already have it just to throw you off is the highlight of this video.
There are no words to express the frustration I have from constantly wanting you to get rid of the french treaty ports. But the rest of the vid was a lot of fun.
I totally understand the want to remove the French from your local area
specially when france was dealing with a fucking revolution
I don't know if you have noticed this but Frances economy sky rockets because of the Indian treaty port. And because of how treaty ports work France can trade with the entire Britisch market for free. The moment you broke free they lost that ability hampering there growth by a lot.
Interesting. I always kind of assumed that it was their African colonies that fueled their growth but that's a very good point.
Pondicherry being the reason for their success is a myth. The reason France skyrockets is because it has a huge population, very good laws from the start, and no large lacks of any kind of resource. France in game also doesn't suffer from the lowered population growth they experienced historically in this time period.
@@mainman879 Yeah, this is one big issue with the game's accuracy, it rests way more on laws and literacy than on urbanization which was in fact the primary drive of economic growth untill the late XXth century. France had a sizeable population that could more or less read and in many ways the most visionnary laws in Europe but its economy was still heavily rural and the countryside couldn't really accomodate more people because of the country's population density. French history in the XIXth century was mired by economical crisis often created by a rise in grain prices because of bad harvests. This issue would only be resolved in the last decades of the century when large scale urban industrial complexes would finally start to massively appear. On the other hand a larger country like Germany managed to grow a lot more and also imported most food it couldn't produce thus allowing for sustained demographical growth and continuous urbanization...
Now take revenge on America as the Indian Territories. I just want to see a good Indian Territories campaign. I want to see how you can make it work when you start as a landlocked puppet state. The only playthrough I have seen involved loading and reloading until they could get France to help them declare independance from the U.S, I want to see how you can do it on Iron Man mode.
Probably by losing till France joins you in an independence war
Or waiting till the US collapses but that will take a while and probably not be that fun of a vid
@@PrettierNPastel Actually I think I figured it out. You start as the U.S., you fully annex the Indian Territories, then you release them as an independent and select "play as". You can't select "play as" when releasing a puppet or other subject nation which is why you need to annex them first.
This can all be done in Iron Man mode.
If that doesn't work then do what I actually did: Start as U.S., release Indian Territories, then release Cherokee and select play as, then conquer the Indian Territories, and release them and select "play as". I don't know why the above method wouldn't work when this does, but I do know that this does.
Alternatively I suppose you could just take revenge on the U.S. as Cherokee or even Hindosaunee.
why do you still call them indians when referring to native americans lmfao
@@targetlockedgaming8349 The nation is called Indian Territories in game because that is what the U.S. historically called it when they created it as a place to put Native Americans. The only thing I actually referred to as "Indian" was that nation. Cherokee and Hindosaunee would indeed also be Native American nations (or "Indigenous Americans" as their cultural heritage is referred to as in game).
I do wish that becoming independent from the U.S. would allow the nation to rename itself (perhaps as Oklahoma since they start off with most of Oklahoma state), but alas that is yet to be the case.
For a gaming channel I find it weird that you would take issue with someone using an in game term.
Now that you have a greater feeling for naval warfare, you should try your hand at an Indonesia/SE Asia game.
Hey Laith, if you ever start getting bored of vanilla Vicky, I recommend the Divergences mod. It's an alternate history overhaul were the English won the hundred years wars, Isabel of Castille married the prince of Portugal rather than Aragon, the Stuarts inherited the Kalmar Union, and Burgundy and the Commonwealth still exist. It's based of an old mod for Vicky II and it's still a work in progress but the old Divergence of Darkness mod was the best mod for Vicky II in my opinion and I am certain that Divergences will live up to that. The only other thing I'll mention is the Ming managed to set up colonies in California and Australia before exploding, those colonies are now the independent republics of Qingqiu and Zhourao. You got to check this mod out.
**Laith clicks Congo region** "They might have rubber over here."
As a Belgian I can confirm that they do.
And also arms… all different size and shape… really cool
@@No.no_body yo what...
@@ilovebatata19 do you want some?
@@ilovebatata19 Search "Congo Free State" and search in the section named "atrocities" or something like that...
48:05 he’s also a intelligentsia anarchist.
Fits with being French.
Yep, sounds pretty French to me.
Revolutionaries: "You might have won the war, but we screwed up all your buildings so take that! "
Don’t keep forgetting about paying your army if you want the army to be OP
He fixed British food
@29:20
I don’t know if you figure this out later but is says “pops don’t have qualifications to become officers”
Qualifications in a number primarily determined by literacy- and is irrelevent in European homelands due to pre/early industrial schooling and casual Protestant literacy but anyway - the way to boost it is a university which gives a modifier on qualifications gain %. And might increase literacy rate/equilibrium.
Also. You often run with spare authority I recommend putting “social mobility “edict/decree on populous states as non-western powers. It increases literacy and qualifications and can really help catch you up in tech.
As an extra note, literacy base rate is 2*SoL. So a 11 wealth pop will equilibrium to 22% literacy over time. An 18 wealth pop to 36%. Each level of public/charity schools adds 10% on top also. Then you’ve got universities and mobility edicts on top which aren’t strictly necessary. But what this does/might mean is universities are the only building you want to disperse across provinces, rather than centralise in a single state and get the throughput bonus on.
16:44 or when Laith discovers the benefits of actually having a plan.
I'd love to see an anarchist playthrough
The law itself isn't very interesting. It just removes political parties. It was fun turning the US into the United Syndicates of America, an Anarchist Commune where the 1% were all unemployed and had lower standard of living than the lowest strata. The only reason the capitalists didn't starve is because I had a robust welfare system.
@@eriksolce7000 well doing an anarchist playthrough would be more than just the law similar to the communist playthrough it would be like abolishing the police and doing as progressive policies as possible
This would be a good game to get an absolute Opium monopoly.
India, parts of China, Stan area, Persia. That’s where all the opium is.
Military dominance and drugging the world.
And more than enough military power to also corner the oil and rubber. Getting all three of those makes you basically invincible.
Sounds like the US.
makes even more sense when you realise the current british prime minister is indian
Earliest ive seen a laith vid, love ya man, btw can you do a egyptian like empire on ck3?
50:08 "we've got chemical weapons, lovely"
if you don't have enough infrastructure build ports until they are full. You get the extra convoys which is huge and they also provide infrastructure per level!
28:46 Ah, yes. The russian strat.
Laith, what is your favourite historical period?
He's doing the true corp. of timur achievement: reform all of india bevor 1900.
My favorite quote from Laith in all victoria 3 series is “I’ll just force it through if you don’t like it vote against it in the future”
This was pretty cool. France improving a lot but then later imploding was interesting.
Here's two suggestions for other runs:
As Prussia/Germany dominate Europe but stay friendly with your (later) cousins meaning England and Russia as long as they are at least parliamentary monarchy and stay monarchist yourself. Colonies are allowed if you don't piss them off by getting them.
As Japan establish an ideal Greater Co-Prosperity Sphere. The exact borders are up for debate but your "junior partners" should have a decent standard of living and not too much oppression. Not sure what the exact parameters or borders should be.
something endlessly funny about that greatbritain in the middle of the arabian peninsula
Can anyone answer why Laith has no fear of running super low on admin points? I thought that was a huge no in Vic 3
Did a qing into commie china only in 1903 did i not have -4k went to -1,5k
Did this exact concept in Empire Total War. The United States formed due to a rebellion after I returned the 13 colonies to Native control
Iirc the beef/ham grease was a myth that circulated among the troops that wasn't actually true and the british officers just didn't care about dispelling
so i guess the avert mutiny journal is no big because you fail it when u have a revolt but nothing seems to come of it
It's bad if you're still a subject of Britain because then you will become a puppet rather than a dominion and your own puppets will be Britain's
@@SarajevoShotz oh wow so i made my India runs 100 times harder by wanting to do the other journals before leaving the British. its hard because every law change u need makes the landowners revolt.
Imagine forming the British in that save
14:20 your vassals should be able to join the revolts probably
Check out the "Anbeeld's Revision of AI" mod, makes the AI actually compotent, honorable mentions to "More Oil States (From Patch 1.1 DD)" and "Automatic Irrigation for Rubber", adds the changes to oil and rubber states coming in patch 1.1. There is also a community patch on the paradox forums, nut sure what it does exactly but it at least increases combat width, makes warfare more exiting.
"makes warfare more exiting" how when 99.99% of the problem is that the AI never seems to advance military tech so by the 1880s its entirely possible to mow down the entire world by yourself.
Laith basically showcased that problem in this video...
Anbeeld's AI mod + Best War mod is pretty damn good, I've had the AI keep up with me in miltech and also be actually competent. If only they could fix the ridiculous 139183139191 fronts popping up now maybe warfare could not be totally trash
@@kingjamestres bigger combat width, seems to do a better job at keeping up tech wise.
Idk know if you already have a vid on it but can you make a video on how to get a big gdp
EIC becoming 'independent' but all your elites are named "Barnaby Wetworth" and "Lord Buttercup" is one of those things that completely takes me out of the game
It just emulates a scenario, where you stay as the company - just independent from the crown but still in the hands of british statesmen
The EIC has become independent, not India. This is literally a corporate state owned by the englishmen who work at the top. Only difference being they aren't even subordinate to the homelands anymore.
I would like to be able to form an actual India in this through an alt history journal entry
@@dylanwillmon5672 you probably can, I've seen an India in my games before
@@LuckyAJC I've seen it too but it's always because of a revolution, I want a diplomatic not country tearing apart way
Wait a minute
Laith
Can we get a mughal video in vic3
"Why would the Indian princes dominate India for me?" idk maybe that's historically pretty accurate xd
Would you recommend buying Vic 3 now or is it best to wait for it to be on offer?
The game is far from finished and riddled with bugs. They're releasing patch 1.1 before the end of the year which is meant to fix most of these bugs (I doubt it will, there are too many). I would wait until at least patch 1.1 drops. The game will probably be cheaper by then too, I picked it up for 25usd a few weeks back.
Its a good game. If you want to play and got the money, go for it.
pirate
@@joelfilho2625 somebody said it
wait
The gdp of france skyrockets in part to their access to the Britisch Market.
Bcause you broke away from their Market, they only have access to yours now, meaning that you nerfed them until you get the better market then the brittish one.
28:46 modern china reference
9:09 mask slipped 🤭
Look that Australia become Urulu
thanks for the video
They are even doing it in real life!
Laith, you actually malding fighting with Dyno
Oh boy i can't wait for Indian viewer when they figure out that Laith is not play Indian but British company lol
Where can I see your live shows?
bruh what is this cursed monstrosity 😭😭😭😭
Not gonna lie this video in particular really made me want to play Victoria 3
ok i get the video but HOW DO YOU
NOT LAG
Never thought I'd see orange England
A challenge: do the the third Odyssee in vic 3 by conquering the eastcoast of the USA and losing all your Land in europe as Greece
Hmm yes lore of Vic 3 chakravarti momentum 100
Since you're going with that reverse or revenge colonization, I challenge you to go play Philippines, then reverse colonize all of Spain's Latin America, and even Spain herself!
I have a play request man. Release and play as Ukraine on Ironman and conquer all of Russia in return.
I believe a lot of people were also Hindu, and that was why there was beef in the grease
The request will never stop Laith. You know the challenge. Play as Croatia in VIC 3, you must get old yugoslavia borders back, you must embargo austria ottomans serbia and montenegro, also you cant ally them. If you want more of an challenge as that may seem too easy, here are few rules if you want them - must stay monarchy always, at the end of challenge be at the top 10 great powers. This is 22 day of asking. Come on brother I know you can see it.
I support this
47:33 never seen an AI naval Invasion? Remember your qing game? Or the brits in Persia just this Video?
So basically like real life Britain.
I know this sounds extremely cursed, but how about a monarchist USA/CSA (you may choose which one you like the most)?
Together with some good ol' colonialism for said nation, could be fun (especially if you "colonize" Europe)
God is Laith is Good.
Title feels a tad clickbaity - You never actually formed India. You just made EIC independent, forming an India based counterpart to the British Empire still ruled by an English elite, culture and religion.
Thankful for daddy uploading
You became the very thing you swore to destroy!
39:55 Greece what did you do?
Proletariat revolt I think I've seen this one before
That was on Paris though
New british prime minister be like
You see that the French was ahead? Get rid of the treaty ports
I've just realised, where are the Mughals on this map? I'm pretty sure they existed in 1836.
Yes
Next challenge reform the Mughal Empire in India.
Also indian: being a PM for Brits 😅
Any one work with me the best way of life in foran
Am I the only one that noticed that Australia apparently *lost* to the Aboriginals?
can you form turkishtan with buhara
Laith!!! Please can u play as Portugal in Victoria 3
Dominate the spice trade and reconquer its old colonized territories (make Portugal great again)
Try to make Socialist Yugoslavia with Serbia (Labor rights - Women rights to max, Secret police, Command Economy, Universal voting and Presidential republic)
Strongest political organisation should be Trade unios - Labor movment
Next video go to brasil
Anarchist Qing Empire when??
If Laith had enacted multiculturalism, would he actually/properly switch into India(and start getting indian politicians and generals)?
Having enacted multiculturalism as the US, I can say that the only effect is has is making all the immigrants become Dixie or Yankee.
So now Tennessee, Alabama, and Texas are full of Dixie Muslims because of all the Kazakhs moving there.
dat disgasting
Oh shit, you live where I live xD Durham be a shit hole tho
You were literally playing as the english this doesn't counttt.
:aKgsDuckSpin:
Lettttsssssss fucking gooooooooooooooo
This is the closest ive seen a Victoria 3 game become interesting.
Yet still its boring to watch.
Nothing really happens, there are no stakes.
lathe
great vid
Haha you’re THE MUTINY. :))
daddy
The East India Company ☕🪷 would be proud of you sticking it to the monarchy and parliament it was always had a culture clash with.
Also, to take vengeance on the time they backstabbed it by annexing it for their own mistake (they were the one with the Grease idea _or went along with it_ 😜).