It's quite satisfying just watching Joe Gibbs go through his shot process. Especially when he's shooting a draw weight probably heavier than was ever used for actual warfare.
I cant do the mathematics but the bow must have just on the brace height alone a draw weight of about 90 pounds. So just to put a string on this bow many of modern men will fail.
Great to see that bow draw weight used with well practiced skill. Uour Yew from Switzerland source provided some great staves to work with, high density to reach 183 @ 28" I live in the Philippines and got a Tamarind stave and Holly stave. The Holly is still drying but the Tamarind gave me a 135@28" warbow. I used Holly before and im going to try for a 160 & 180 warbow from that log. Ever made a Holly warbow Joe? Ascham mentioned it as a mean military bow wood. Keep up the good work. I made yew longbows and a warbow for the Hunter Castle Pele Tower in Scotland at Hunterston. What string do you use on the heavy bow? I only use Linen natural fiber strings. After a draw weight of 150, the string diameters start getting to be almost 3/16." In the 180-220 pound bow range, natural fiber strings come close to 1/4" diameter. This makes me think the hemp or flax fiber they had was a stronger grade or the limit of that material for a 1/8" string was a 150 -160 warbow, defining the likits based on the arrow nocks measured from those found on the MR. I never saw that topic examed before.
@@herpderp9774 It's a nylon woven backstop net designed to catch arrows that miss an archery boss/butt. The net needs to be hanging loose enough to slowly stop each arrow or they'll got straight through. Using rounded/flat wide blunts, with far greater area than the point of an arrow allows the net to absorb the arrow hit across a wider impact area & the wieght/stretch of the net slowly brings it to a halt.
It's not actually a Target, it's a nylon woven backstop net designed to catch arrows that miss an archery boss/butt(usually straw or nowdays often foam). The target is the paper printed card pinned to the boss/butt. Joe is just shooting onto the net to stop his arrows. The net needs to be hanging loose enough to slowly stop each arrow or they'll got straight through. As he says, he's using big blunts to avoid that. I've had a 27-30lb bow shoot an arrow straight through my net when I'd hung/stretched it too tightly. Fortunately there was just an empy field behind, though I never found that arrow.
Joe what are your thoughts on how heavy was the longbows back in their day, cannot find any draw weights recorded. The mary rose bows, some people say no more 80 to 100 lbs others say up to 150 lbs. I´ve found Pip Bickerstaffe`s book "The Medieval Warbow A Bowyers Thoughts" very informative especially his research on the notchs sizes of the arrows from the mary rose and the string size that would fit onto these arrows, also some of the reports about the battle of Crecy and of Agincourt have got me leaning that the longbow was probably no more than 90 lbs draw weight. (which is still a hefty weight) I do historical european martial arts, I teach the English back sword system of George Silver but have been an avid longbow shooter for some years now and i do find it frustrating that their seems to be zilch about the draw weights of their longbows as i would like to be using a weight that is historically correct. Your thought or any information you´ve acquired would be greatly appreciated.
Shaun I have been to the Mary rose and handled the bows many times. And made a lot of bows that fit the dimensions of the mary rose longbows. I believe that the bows are from as light as 100lbs right up to 180 ish lbs. I have made string of hemp and linen which fit the nock sizes of the arrows from the mary rose that work fine on 180lbs bows. Best strings are made from hemp. Thanks joe
@@Joegibbs-archery Was the wood used back then generally harder and denser than what is used nowadays? And would that affect the draw weight/size ration?
@@jon4715 Very hard to say. All trees have many parameters that affect it's growth and the climate has changed since the little ice age. Any sample of 400 year old yew is degraded to the point that it's mechanical properties are not testable and any structural analysis has a wide margin of error as humidity and temperature variations to rot and even natural background radiation can and will affect structure in enough time.The fact that modern replicas with similar dimensions perform as expected should imply that modern wood is as good as back then.
Im shooting my 66 pound long bow and its hard to shoot for a long time i sure can draw more but to shoot accurately not really ... Will work my way up . On the other hand 60;pound is enough to have fun ,, I went in field and measured the distance . The best distance my 55 pound long bow with 22 gram its about 330 grain went 273 yards . Is not bad for self made bow . The thing is my 70 pound bow went 260 .. with the same arrow . I think that Joe 160 pound bow will shoot the same distance but with 65 gram arrow.
Joe nice bow, isnt performance less after about 160# or is that just myth? It doesnt really make sense to me because with a longbow the ration from mass to power is more then a flatbow, making heavier draweights have less diminishing returns.
Blake Gundry true if your using light arrows due to air resistance and so forth- how ever you need those drawweights if you want to use heavier arrows for armour penetration - where they will achieve similar velocities as lighter arrows but with greater dropoff- i.e Thier won't be much difference in speed/ energy when firing a light arrow from a 120lbs or 160lbs now but their will be for the heavier arrows- particularly at short range- you need that for armour penetration. Most modern arrows are only 400 grains, the ones they've found from medieval period were around 1200-1500 grains.
Hi Joe, I see back problems in the future, excercise both sides of the back. The French thought that all English archers were bunch backs, that's how the muscle s develop.
Very impressive I have to admit. However, the arrow seems slow. It seems like a bow this weight is actually performing less. Granted I don’t know the arrow weight but I would see no reason to weight an arrow down so much that it would travelled slow. I would think a well built horse bow at around 70 pounds would be about the best performing bow you could have. Especially when you get into these crazy sinew backed horn bows that are just out of this world. The native Americans of some plains tribes built horn bows that would pass through a buffalo and kill her calf running on the other side. The Koreans probably build the finest horn bows ever.
Those are around 1000 grain arrows right there. A light arrow does not take enough energy out of the bow-arrow spring system, especially with a heavy weighted limb bow such as that log.
Dragos Coco 1000 grains is insane. That would explain it. I think a lighter grain by at least half in a bow around 60 lbs would perform better at hunting distances but this that bow with 1000 grains would probably be more effective at volley. 200-300 yards. That takes years and years to pull a bow like that.
You can watch the video with Tod's workshop where they test the armour penetration cababilities of a longbow, he shoots real arrows with a 160lbs bow, and they travel fast. Here the camera angle might make it seem slower than it is (also the blunts might affect speed).
These arrows are actually likely traveling north of 200 feet per second the instant they leave the bow. The reason they appear so slow is that they have wooden blunt tips, which create a LOT of extra aerodynamic drag on the arrow. So it slows down VERY quickly, probably several feet per second for every yard traveled. So there is a noticeable amount of speed loss even over a relatively short distance. And the time of flight out to 20 yards might be similar to a bullet tipped arrow traveling, say, 150 ft/sec.
@@Joegibbs-archery No idea which is why I say I may be ignorant making that comment, just with all my time around bows of way lower draw lengths, not exactly shooting light loads, something looks odd. You got a 2kg lump of lead on the end or what lol?
a wood bow's limbs are only able to go so fast even with no arrow on the string. if a 50 lb bow will launch a 500 gn arrow 200 fps doesn't mean a 150 lb will launch the same arrow at 600. even if you could should super light arrows without the bow breaking the arrow will only go a little bit faster while you're leaving most of that energy from the high draw weight in the bow, wasted. to get energy from from the bow you have to put a load on the string that slows the limbs down. the higher the load the more energy the arrow will take out of the bow. basically you want to make the arrow as heavy as you can while maintaining acceptable speed. especially when you're shooting at armour clad targets.
@@mortenjacobsen5673: It looks like the fabric is pretty loose and is simply absorbing the energy of the arrows. Combine that with the fact that tips are blunt and there's not much chance of penetration.
Let's also not forget that the blunt tips probably slow the arrow down from 200+ ft/sec at loose to around 100-120 ft/sec by the time it has gone 20 yards.
Cool to hear about this... But.. Why? You can shoot a realistic weight of 40- 50 #'s n hit targets all day long! Hunt/ bow fish with the same 40-50# bow??? There is no need for such a bow to be!!?? Period! Splain to me Ricky... Why???
1. Joe can shoot this bow all day. His 200 lbs only 5- 6 times. 2. Because it is historical. Some of us like that, I love using sword and spear though the Danish armes forces has taught me well how to kill with guns. Sword-/axe-/spearfighting is fun. I expect archery is as well. The little Iron Age archery I have done, sure was. 3. Why do people climb Mount Everest? Some people just want to excel and test themselves and do hard stuff.
@@Joegibbs-archery this is clips of 65lbs and 70lbs recurves going above 300fps. I'm currently at a 65lbs trying to eventually get to a 80lbs ruclips.net/video/47u_M0ivNbs/видео.html
You're seriously terrible at showing yourself off 😂. Put a table up with household junk and blast it to pieces with a 200lb bow already ! Your entire channel is full of beasty arrows not destroying anything ! You should have 20 videos of you flexing on all us other average mortal lads 😂 ALL the weapon channels understand the formula CAUSE + EFFECT = 😁....👍🏻
I just simply love how he casually shots 183lb longbow in his garden in his slippers like a boss
Seems Odysseus wife would have had to marry you
Question is
But would he have wanted to?
^_^
He's the guy who killed Boromir.
xxlCortez the Uruk-hai* that killed Boromir.
(We’re in lockdown... I’m officially allowed to be ‘that guy’).
No he's Hawkeye Gough with the size of those arrows
Using a tree trunk to shoot telegraph poles.
😀🤣
A casual 6 arrows in 30 seconds at 180+ lbs. It's like looking into the past.
Thanks:-). But it's only easy if you put the work in
Joe
It's quite satisfying just watching Joe Gibbs go through his shot process. Especially when he's shooting a draw weight probably heavier than was ever used for actual warfare.
people back then were built different though. they made kids start drawing every day from 8 years old. Joe is one of those kids.
I cant do the mathematics but the bow must have just on the brace height alone a draw weight of about 90 pounds. So just to put a string on this bow many of modern men will fail.
Actually no because you have a stringer
@@Daylon91 yes i mean without a Stringer, shooting is still Impossible for so many people of today
I couldn't string a bow like that even with a Stringer
@@user-tc6ov5hp2d you would step on the cord and use your whole body not just your shoulders and back. Easier than pulling the bow. Alot
Extremely impressive. I do thumb draw mostly. Above 80lbs my thumb probably snaps lol
That’s a man shooting a massive longbow. Respect
Great to see that bow draw weight used with well practiced skill. Uour Yew from Switzerland source provided some great staves to work with, high density to reach 183 @ 28"
I live in the Philippines and got a Tamarind stave and Holly stave.
The Holly is still drying but the Tamarind gave me a 135@28" warbow.
I used Holly before and im going to try for a 160 & 180 warbow from that log.
Ever made a Holly warbow Joe?
Ascham mentioned it as a mean military bow wood.
Keep up the good work.
I made yew longbows and a warbow for the Hunter Castle Pele Tower in Scotland at Hunterston.
What string do you use on the heavy bow?
I only use Linen natural fiber strings. After a draw weight of 150, the string diameters start getting to be almost 3/16." In the 180-220 pound bow range, natural fiber strings come close to 1/4" diameter. This makes me think the hemp or flax fiber they had was a stronger grade or the limit of that material for a 1/8" string was a 150 -160 warbow, defining the likits based on the arrow nocks measured from those found on the MR. I never saw that topic examed before.
187lbs is insane! That is deadly heavy
Morten I have big wooden blunts on my arrows for this net shooting, otherwise the arrows would pass straight though the net
Thanks joe
What are you using for net material?
Dang Joe, you make it look so easy.
Holy cow. No glove either?!
What's the point of having such a heavy draw weight if the arrows only fly that fast? Is it more accurate at long distances?
I,m using 50-60lbs , You have my respect sir 👏👏👏👍👍👍👍👍
how long you've been shooting to pull that?
You are a Titan, how much do the arrows weigh?
from the video they seem to fly slowly so I think they are very heavy
il cigno e il grifone They go slow but probably have an incredible amount of energy behind them and on impact.
I think that’s due to camera angle.
Hi Joe. A nice grouping. Can you give any advice on your aim technique, especially given the 'to the ear' draw. Thanks.
I discovered one answer. Practice, practice, practice, then it becomes instinctive.
Impressive, very impressive. I shoot 50 to 60 pounds. What do you do to keep your strength at the level to pull that much weight? Scott USA
That target works well, I've seen it on light bows but it also stands up to heavy bows. Nice
Only because I use big blunts
@@Joegibbs-archery I was wondering what it was made of to not have penetrations, that makes sense and I feel silly for not thinking of it now haha.
@@herpderp9774 It's a nylon woven backstop net designed to catch arrows that miss an archery boss/butt. The net needs to be hanging loose enough to slowly stop each arrow or they'll got straight through. Using rounded/flat wide blunts, with far greater area than the point of an arrow allows the net to absorb the arrow hit across a wider impact area & the wieght/stretch of the net slowly brings it to a halt.
It's not actually a Target, it's a nylon woven backstop net designed to catch arrows that miss an archery boss/butt(usually straw or nowdays often foam). The target is the paper printed card pinned to the boss/butt. Joe is just shooting onto the net to stop his arrows.
The net needs to be hanging loose enough to slowly stop each arrow or they'll got straight through. As he says, he's using big blunts to avoid that. I've had a 27-30lb bow shoot an arrow straight through my net when I'd hung/stretched it too tightly. Fortunately there was just an empy field behind, though I never found that arrow.
@Gibbs archery Swiss yew? You guys Must have secret groves of yew.. Everything I find is barely 5' tall and twisted.
Bro please tell which WOOD YOU USED & WHAT ARE THE DIMENSIONS OF IT. PLEASE MAKE A MAKING VIDEO OF IT AS YOUR SUBSCRIBER IT'S MY HUMBLE REQUEST
What an amazing channel ...your style is majestic to watch 👍👍
I’m using a #44. You have my respect!
Joe what are your thoughts on how heavy was the longbows back in their day, cannot find any draw weights recorded. The mary rose bows, some people say no more 80 to 100 lbs others say up to 150 lbs.
I´ve found Pip Bickerstaffe`s book "The Medieval Warbow A Bowyers Thoughts" very informative especially his research on the notchs sizes of the arrows from the mary rose and the string size that would fit onto these arrows, also some of the reports about the battle of Crecy and of Agincourt have got me leaning that the longbow was probably no more than 90 lbs draw weight. (which is still a hefty weight)
I do historical european martial arts, I teach the English back sword system of George Silver but have been an avid longbow shooter for some years now and i do find it frustrating that their seems to be zilch about the draw weights of their longbows as i would like to be using a weight that is historically correct.
Your thought or any information you´ve acquired would be greatly appreciated.
Shaun I have been to the Mary rose and handled the bows many times. And made a lot of bows that fit the dimensions of the mary rose longbows. I believe that the bows are from as light as 100lbs right up to 180 ish lbs. I have made string of hemp and linen which fit the nock sizes of the arrows from the mary rose that work fine on 180lbs bows. Best strings are made from hemp.
Thanks joe
@@Joegibbs-archery Was the wood used back then generally harder and denser than what is used nowadays? And would that affect the draw weight/size ration?
@@jon4715 Very hard to say. All trees have many parameters that affect it's growth and the climate has changed since the little ice age. Any sample of 400 year old yew is degraded to the point that it's mechanical properties are not testable and any structural analysis has a wide margin of error as humidity and temperature variations to rot and even natural background radiation can and will affect structure in enough time.The fact that modern replicas with similar dimensions perform as expected should imply that modern wood is as good as back then.
How do you string a bow that heavy?
183lbs - what a workout that must be.
Makes it look like a 40lb bow lol
lol...you look like me shooting in my backyard. Shorts, sandals, t-shirt.
Seriously need one. Currently thinking about getting an 80lb
All that poundage and the arrows are still slow. I'm sure the arrows are heavy, but what's the point?
They may look slow but there doing about 180 fps and weigh 80 grams. The point is that they pack a punch at the other end.
@@Joegibbs-archery yah that is faster than it looks!
Im shooting my 66 pound long bow and its hard to shoot for a long time i sure can draw more but to shoot accurately not really ... Will work my way up . On the other hand 60;pound is enough to have fun ,, I went in field and measured the distance . The best distance my 55 pound long bow with 22 gram its about 330 grain went 273 yards . Is not bad for self made bow . The thing is my 70 pound bow went 260 .. with the same arrow . I think that Joe 160 pound bow will shoot the same distance but with 65 gram arrow.
very strong
Where can I donate some money to this Chad so he can replace this potato of a camera and make his exquisite skills justice.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Joe nice bow, isnt performance less after about 160# or is that just myth? It doesnt really make sense to me because with a longbow the ration from mass to power is more then a flatbow, making heavier draweights have less diminishing returns.
Blake Gundry true if your using light arrows due to air resistance and so forth- how ever you need those drawweights if you want to use heavier arrows for armour penetration - where they will achieve similar velocities as lighter arrows but with greater dropoff- i.e Thier won't be much difference in speed/ energy when firing a light arrow from a 120lbs or 160lbs now but their will be for the heavier arrows- particularly at short range- you need that for armour penetration. Most modern arrows are only 400 grains, the ones they've found from medieval period were around 1200-1500 grains.
Super nice looking Bow though!
What is the distance between you and the target?
Hi Joe, I see back problems in the future, excercise both sides of the back. The French thought that all English archers were bunch backs, that's how the muscle s develop.
What kind of material that stopper?... Arrows stop well there..
What will happen to the target when it hits ?
dat bow is thicc
Sick backyard
Very impressive I have to admit. However, the arrow seems slow. It seems like a bow this weight is actually performing less. Granted I don’t know the arrow weight but I would see no reason to weight an arrow down so much that it would travelled slow. I would think a well built horse bow at around 70 pounds would be about the best performing bow you could have. Especially when you get into these crazy sinew backed horn bows that are just out of this world. The native Americans of some plains tribes built horn bows that would pass through a buffalo and kill her calf running on the other side. The Koreans probably build the finest horn bows ever.
Those are around 1000 grain arrows right there. A light arrow does not take enough energy out of the bow-arrow spring system, especially with a heavy weighted limb bow such as that log.
Dragos Coco 1000 grains is insane. That would explain it. I think a lighter grain by at least half in a bow around 60 lbs would perform better at hunting distances but this that bow with 1000 grains would probably be more effective at volley. 200-300 yards. That takes years and years to pull a bow like that.
You can watch the video with Tod's workshop where they test the armour penetration cababilities of a longbow, he shoots real arrows with a 160lbs bow, and they travel fast. Here the camera angle might make it seem slower than it is (also the blunts might affect speed).
These arrows are actually likely traveling north of 200 feet per second the instant they leave the bow. The reason they appear so slow is that they have wooden blunt tips, which create a LOT of extra aerodynamic drag on the arrow. So it slows down VERY quickly, probably several feet per second for every yard traveled. So there is a noticeable amount of speed loss even over a relatively short distance. And the time of flight out to 20 yards might be similar to a bullet tipped arrow traveling, say, 150 ft/sec.
I think I tore my rotator cuff just watching that.
can you imagine getting back handed by him? straight up pimp slap with his technique?
Wow, I'll never be able to hit a single pixel xD
Ja,was für ein Monster! Fantastisch! Wenn du damit schießt gehen deine Nachbarn bestimmt in den Keller😜DTdkf.!
What are you using to stop the arrows ?
Six mile thick aluminum 🥵😂
Lol his stance is great
@@leipakala9555 yeah exactly. His stance is great
What exercises would you recommend to improve upper body strength for archery?
Archery is a great exercise to improve your upper body strength.
FN beast.
With the speed at which those arrows are travelling unless im being very ignorant here there is no way that is a 183lb bow
Why???? Do you know how heavy the arrows ars
@@Joegibbs-archery No idea which is why I say I may be ignorant making that comment, just with all my time around bows of way lower draw lengths, not exactly shooting light loads, something looks odd. You got a 2kg lump of lead on the end or what lol?
@@troopygino 1400 grain arrows doing 180 fps that's not slow
a wood bow's limbs are only able to go so fast even with no arrow on the string. if a 50 lb bow will launch a 500 gn arrow 200 fps doesn't mean a 150 lb will launch the same arrow at 600. even if you could should super light arrows without the bow breaking the arrow will only go a little bit faster while you're leaving most of that energy from the high draw weight in the bow, wasted.
to get energy from from the bow you have to put a load on the string that slows the limbs down. the higher the load the more energy the arrow will take out of the bow. basically you want to make the arrow as heavy as you can while maintaining acceptable speed. especially when you're shooting at armour clad targets.
Dude is shooting at something the size of an apply
Apple
can yiu explain what backstop your using ? its amazing that a 183 pound bow cant penetrate fabric
Why would those arrow tips penetrate fabric? They're not supposed to.
@@MontyCantsin5 not all safety nets are made for such heavy bows,even with blunts they have to absorb energi or rip.
@@mortenjacobsen5673: It looks like the fabric is pretty loose and is simply absorbing the energy of the arrows. Combine that with the fact that tips are blunt and there's not much chance of penetration.
Archery backstop nets hang loose, they don't touch the ground. They'll usually stop small diameter carbon arrows travelling much faster.
Let's also not forget that the blunt tips probably slow the arrow down from 200+ ft/sec at loose to around 100-120 ft/sec by the time it has gone 20 yards.
Cool to hear about this... But.. Why? You can shoot a realistic weight of 40- 50 #'s n hit targets all day long! Hunt/ bow fish with the same 40-50# bow??? There is no need for such a bow to be!!?? Period! Splain to me Ricky... Why???
It's for all the bad guys nowadays walking around clad in leather, mail, and steel!
1. Joe can shoot this bow all day. His 200 lbs only 5- 6 times.
2. Because it is historical. Some of us like that, I love using sword and spear though the Danish armes forces has taught me well how to kill with guns. Sword-/axe-/spearfighting is fun. I expect archery is as well. The little Iron Age archery I have done, sure was.
3. Why do people climb Mount Everest? Some people just want to excel and test themselves and do hard stuff.
It's kinda noisy
Those arrows are travelling a bit too slow for a bow of that poundage.
O really? How would you know??.
Have you seen/shot a bow of this weight to know??
Could that kill a man with a blunt ball shaped arrow head?
Probably
The arrow look heavy and slow
200 fps 70 gram in weight. That's not slow.
@@Joegibbs-archery this is clips of 65lbs and 70lbs recurves going above 300fps.
I'm currently at a 65lbs trying to eventually get to a 80lbs
ruclips.net/video/47u_M0ivNbs/видео.html
You are going to get a bad back shooting like that
🙄🙄🙄
No he won’t, please educate yourself before making ill informed comments
Why do you not teach an old cat to piss too? Or Stipe Miocic to fight? Or Matt Easton to use a sword?
240p in 2017 wot
guillermo lombana 😆😆😆😆😆😆
There’s no target.
The middle of the net is the target
,👍
You're seriously terrible at showing yourself off 😂.
Put a table up with household junk and blast it to pieces with a 200lb bow already !
Your entire channel is full of beasty arrows not destroying anything ! You should have 20 videos of you flexing on all us other average mortal lads 😂
ALL the weapon channels understand the formula CAUSE + EFFECT = 😁....👍🏻