Hey there Harley, as a tig welder I wanted to chime in. You should wire wheel mill scale off your 3/16 rod. Gtaw processes require super clean metal an the mill scale is contaminating your Welds from the get go. Same goes for the paint on you frame to rod weld there. Try cleaning your metal at least a half inch from your joint each way. The metal flow will be much nicer an the brazed welds will have no competition on your tig welds. It was a nice video an I would like to know more about the Autocad programing like cost an what to get. Thanks an keep up the good work.
Wow dude my mind is blown! I watched a couple of vids before this but you took the subject home for me. It's cool that you share your knowledge like that. Thanks!
Great video. I would like to recommend using less heat on both the oxy/acetylene and tig welds. The silver solder will flow better at lower heat and won't require clean up. Overheating the metals causes oxidation and makes for a poor weld.
Awesome- you covered a lot of great info- I have a little mig welder that I use for basic repairs but I may look into getting a cheap tig. Thanks much!
Good stuff. Nice explanation. Great video man. Heads up. If you drill a couple extra holes on the venders leverage arm. You can get much cleaner and more accurate bends. What you want is the bending arms pin that pushes on the rod to be as close as possible to the pivot
I WISH I knew CAD!! I'm an Old Fart, and don't see it happening.... but I can Weld. What you're doing is really an art form of sorts. I thank you for sharing it! Carmine 🚂
Great tutorial. I noticed you didn't mention anything about mitering the tube/rod joints. Is that not an issue? I know from brazing bike frames and from doing some practice work with brass that you need to get a good fit; especially if one goes the brazing route.
If you want to try something new, try to down load the student version of solidworks. It's and excellent 3D modeling especially the weldment part. I used a similar program to model a complete trophy truck in a previous job.
Good informative video. You must have the patience of a saint. I have just been looking at the comment's on this video. A good 30% are asking questions you answer in the video or if not it would take very little time to look it up on Google. Do you sell these or are they for your own collection?
i use mapp gas torch and brazing rods rods come 3 feet long covered in flux .my way is alot cheaper but not as clean as those i sometimes have to grind down the joints. love the bender i wll have to pick one up cause i use a hobby hand bender and cant seem to replicate the bends very easy .Thank you very much for this vido had wondered how you dd such good work
Very informative - I have used the old school stick (arc) welder in the past for this work - joints do not look as neat as yours !! Have tried silver soldering with Propane only torch with mixed results - I might keep trying after watching this, cause you don't seem to have a really hot flame with your oxyacetylene torch
Hi Harley, great tutorial! I'm a bit of a novice in the steel fabrication department so I've got a question regarding the steel wire that you're using as I am looking at building myself a rollcage as well. The question is, are you using stainless steel or "normal" steel, or is there a specific grade that you'd recommend? Please let me know If you have a chance.Love your chanel, keep up the good work and cheers from down under.
+waffleattacks I use standard hot rolled steel most of the time. This is nothing special, standard cheap steel. Stainless is actually more difficult to weld.
Thanks for the great tutorial, I'm going to make a fast back cage for a class one jeep wrangler Rubicon, I'll also be using 3/16 steel rod. Just had a quick question, what vice are you using, cause I need a vice to hold that BAC inc. bender, thanks
A stick welder just won't get it done, unless there are some really specialized electrodes that I'm unaware of. However there is a method to convert old arc welders into TIG welders that you may look into.
Hey Josh was wondering where did you get those red magnet braces that you use to help hold the tubing to the truck while you weld? Thanks for your videos learning a lot.
Maybe in honesty Harley; Mention to the young guys arriving here that your adding a roll cage of your design on top of a commercially available retail R/C chassis[Note the black parallel frame rails]There is a big difference there between 'modification' add-on and a full chassis build If you young guys are frustrated with brazing/ soldering problems: Mow some lawns or shovel mums driveway for funds to purchase a small wire feed welder that uses normal household current. A Chinese 'buzz box' will join this small rod or tubing together and cost is about $100 or 55 quid at the discount China tool outlet.
hey harley, great video. I am about to start brazing my first 1/8" rod cage and I had a question. How do you manage brazing junction of tubes? Is a welding magnet the best option? thanks very much
I have several questions cause im new to brazing. I got the templates, and my tubing and a bottle of mapp gas and for the life of me it just dont get hot enough for my brazing rod to flow. So my question is do I need to add oxygen to the mix? And will a jewlers torch get this hot enough? Please help im just a 44 year old kid that really wants to build this.
So is it really easier to use a CAD software to map out your build? How long do you spend making the design typically? Also sorry if I missed it but what program do you use? Auto cad?
could i possibly use mig welding? since that's all we have and don't have the cash to run out and buy a tig welder. i run on 0.35 wire with mixed gases. im looking in making custom bumpers and roll cages, but don't like what the markets have to offer. Thank you very much and cant wait to hear from you soon, keep up the great work!!
Crawltheworld You sure can. Use any wire feed welder. A good tip is to mask off the area your not welding to avoid flux spatter on the rest of it.0.26 or 0.30 mild carbon wire in a 90-125 amp wire feed welder would be great for this little stuff. And on shielding?.......Read this;I wrap a bit of small dish sponge around near my work area that's slightly damp. Holding it with a wooden clothespin. It leaves no adhesive residue for additional welds on the steel.
Hey Harley would a MIG welder work for doing some tack welding on the tubes and then using solder to fill and finish up the weld? Or would a MIG work for doing the whole chassis? My dad has a MIG i could use.
hey how can I get your rock bouncer type of design I wanna make a cage for like a slash 4x4 front and rear axle or for a pair of clodbuster axle set. just a way larger scale maybe 1/8
I'm asking you is imprimeron diagrams for cutting and bending the rods to the tubular esctrutura I see in the video that you have some sheets with parts
I'm looking at getting into building scaler chassis for myself. I'm gonna go with silver soldering. My question is, how well would silver solder paste work? from what I've seen I think it would work perfectly for this application. I am specifically looking at the muggyweld.com ssq-6. It has a strength of 70,000 psi and can be done with a mapp gas torch. What are your thoughts? Paste or do the classic silver solder way?
luke stowell I have never used the paste but I have seen it recently because my GF would like to try some jewelry soldering. 70,000 PSI should be plenty strong. You can use the traditional silver solder I use with a MAPP torch as well FYI.
I have a question, I braze with a simple oxygen torch, acid flux, and silver solder. I was wondering if you had ever had any problems with the solder dripping or just not creating a joint. It just kind of melts on there and either drips off or just creates a blob of solder that connects nothing. I was also wondering, can you print the templates on regular sheets of paper or do you have to have a bigger printer?
Graeme Davis u need to heat the metal more and let the solder melt by touching the metal not the flame. cause sttel has a much higher temp b4 it melts then silver solder
what shielding gas would you use for tig welding brake line tubes ? i have a tig welder that is currently set up with pure argon and i have a mig with c25...
Hello Is can you tell me where to get the small hobby grade pipe onlineThanks in advance and do you still buy RC cars cars I have a twin hammers very nice clean condition maybe 5 runs On it All original kit truck
R50's SS You can go to my website and see what templates are available for download. I don't work with 8th scal buggies as they aren't really used in the scale market much.So you will have to use one I have as a base and go from there. The Ibex Goat would likely be the best start for a truck that size.
This video is pretty old, but do you use the same bender for tubing? If you do does it flatten the bend? Any info on this for a guy getting into scale fab would be awesome! Thanks in advance
A properly blazed joint is very strong, and when using high silver content silver solder I believe the tensile strength of the joint exceeds the steel. However TIG welding is easier IMO and more likely to get a full strength weld. Both a great and brazing is a good way to start on a lower budget.
@Harley Designs (or anyone else) Can you send me a link to the jewelers touch and bottles? Been in the RC hobby for awhile, and now i'm wanting to build my own chassis. I only have a small amount of "Play Money" set aside and don't want to blindly start ordering everything just to find out i ordered the wrong things.
I was thinking. For a beginner that's wanting to get started on a budget, JB-Weld should work, no? I've used JB-Weld for guick repairs on my cars; in-fact i repaired an exhaust hanger on my truck back in 2009(?) and it's still holding strong. I've used JB weld for repairs on my RC crawler and i've bashed the crap out of it and it's still holding strong. The only problem i can think of is getting the pieces to stay in place while the jb-weld cures, and it would take longer to complete a build. But i just don't see a problem with the strength being an issue.
+The Choosen One (Liquor by the Ounce) for the size and forces we are looking at, I do not see it working. Not unless you used very large amounts and the visual of that would be very unappealing.
You can use a MIG but they are not nearly as clean when working on this type of work. It takes a lot of cleanup to make smooth joints. I have a MIG as well but TIG or brazing looks much better.
What kind of torch would be cheap to get for braising? I want to get a mig welder anyway for the 1:1s but with the rcs what's a cheap torch that would work good?
Devin Leatherman I have a MIG as well but a MIG doesn't work nearly as well. It adds too much material for the size of material. It takes too much clean up to make the joints flow as well. TIG is much cleaner.
Can you please specify on what program it is? Free or not i just want to know because ive got a project i want to do and i need a good cad program. Thank you
Man this is still my favorite video of yours to date, id love to see you put out some more fabrication videos, keep up the good work
Hey there Harley, as a tig welder I wanted to chime in. You should wire wheel mill scale off your 3/16 rod. Gtaw processes require super clean metal an the mill scale is contaminating your Welds from the get go. Same goes for the paint on you frame to rod weld there. Try cleaning your metal at least a half inch from your joint each way. The metal flow will be much nicer an the brazed welds will have no competition on your tig welds. It was a nice video an I would like to know more about the Autocad programing like cost an what to get. Thanks an keep up the good work.
Yes 3/16 is fine as I did
Wow dude my mind is blown! I watched a couple of vids before this but you took the subject home for me. It's cool that you share your knowledge like that. Thanks!
Chaps' Unlimited
I've done cad, and builds of many things, nice to see someone else has also CNA operator and and presses
I am over impressed! You are a master at Your craft. thank You very much for putting up such an in-depth tutorial of Your methods.
Great video. I would like to recommend using less heat on both the oxy/acetylene and tig welds. The silver solder will flow better at lower heat and won't require clean up. Overheating the metals causes oxidation and makes for a poor weld.
thank you, I learned something new today, and loved it, very cool, smash that like people!!!
Wow, this video is awesome! Thanks for sharing your hard work and methods. I'm excited to try them out.
Awesome- you covered a lot of great info- I have a little mig welder that I use for basic repairs but I may look into getting a cheap tig. Thanks much!
For regular carbon steel I just used the standard filler rod from the welding supply shop, 1/16".
Good stuff. Nice explanation. Great video man. Heads up. If you drill a couple extra holes on the venders leverage arm. You can get much cleaner and more accurate bends. What you want is the bending arms pin that pushes on the rod to be as close as possible to the pivot
I WISH I knew CAD!! I'm an Old Fart, and don't see it happening.... but I can Weld. What you're doing is really an art form of sorts. I thank you for sharing it!
Carmine 🚂
Cad for dummies??? It works
This is sooo cool. Really impressive, and it looks like so much fun.
Great tutorial. I noticed you didn't mention anything about mitering the tube/rod joints. Is that not an issue? I know from brazing bike frames and from doing some practice work with brass that you need to get a good fit; especially if one goes the brazing route.
Think you could do a video on your process on putting together the chassis together?
If you want to try something new, try to down load the student version of solidworks. It's and excellent 3D modeling especially the weldment part. I used a similar program to model a complete trophy truck in a previous job.
There's a lot of really useful info here. Thanks!
Good informative video. You must have the patience of a saint. I have just been looking at the comment's on this video. A good 30% are asking questions you answer in the video or if not it would take very little time to look it up on Google. Do you sell these or are they for your own collection?
Do I sell chassis's? Not normally, I just build them for my own rigs mainly.The questions are frustrating at times :)
Nice build! I got the Thermal Arc 95s two weeks ago and I do not know what filler rod to get. And I am welding a 1/4 chome-moly tube chassis.
i use mapp gas torch and brazing rods rods come 3 feet long covered in flux .my way is alot cheaper but not as clean as those i sometimes have to grind down the joints. love the bender i wll have to pick one up cause i use a hobby hand bender and cant seem to replicate the bends very easy .Thank you very much for this vido had wondered how you dd such good work
Very nice video and well explained. Inspirational as always!
Resurrecting this one from the dead....
What CAD program do you use?
cool vid love the one's you have made!! have to make a rock bouncer for my next protect
This is awesome!! ‘And things like that’
Very informative - I have used the old school stick (arc) welder in the past for this work - joints do not look as neat as yours !!
Have tried silver soldering with Propane only torch with mixed results - I might keep trying after watching this, cause you don't seem to have a really hot flame with your oxyacetylene torch
Hi Harley, great tutorial! I'm a bit of a novice in the steel fabrication department so I've got a question regarding the steel wire that you're using as I am looking at building myself a rollcage as well. The question is, are you using stainless steel or "normal" steel, or is there a specific grade that you'd recommend? Please let me know If you have a chance.Love your chanel, keep up the good work and cheers from down under.
+waffleattacks I use standard hot rolled steel most of the time. This is nothing special, standard cheap steel. Stainless is actually more difficult to weld.
Harley Designs Thanks for letting me know, I'll give that a go. Cheers
Love it great video and great technique on all of the different methods🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🦾🙌🙌🙌🙌
hey harley,
ur design r very awesome but i m stuck with the circuits for servomotors and rc control..
can u share d details...
Thanks for the great tutorial, I'm going to make a fast back cage for a class one jeep wrangler Rubicon, I'll also be using 3/16 steel rod. Just had a quick question, what vice are you using, cause I need a vice to hold that BAC inc. bender, thanks
A stick welder just won't get it done, unless there are some really specialized electrodes that I'm unaware of. However there is a method to convert old arc welders into TIG welders that you may look into.
Build one for the Scx24!!!!! ❤
You don't always need to use filler rod for tig welding.
Hey Josh was wondering where did you get those red magnet braces that you use to help hold the tubing to the truck while you weld? Thanks for your videos learning a lot.
Harbor Freight, super cheap.
As far as I knew you could only solder copper.
Would you be so kind to tell me whitch kind of metal the rods are made of ?
Maybe in honesty Harley;
Mention to the young guys arriving here that your adding a roll cage of your design on top of a commercially available retail R/C chassis[Note the black parallel frame rails]There is a big difference there between 'modification' add-on and a full chassis build
If you young guys are frustrated with brazing/ soldering problems: Mow some lawns or shovel mums driveway for funds to purchase a small wire feed welder that uses normal household current. A Chinese 'buzz box' will join this small rod or tubing together and cost is about $100 or 55 quid at the discount China tool outlet.
hey harley, great video. I am about to start brazing my first 1/8" rod cage and I had a question. How do you manage brazing junction of tubes? Is a welding magnet the best option? thanks very much
great how too video hope to see more on this build big thumbs up
Are you using solid wire rather than tubing such as brake line?
I have several questions cause im new to brazing. I got the templates, and my tubing and a bottle of mapp gas and for the life of me it just dont get hot enough for my brazing rod to flow. So my question is do I need to add oxygen to the mix? And will a jewlers torch get this hot enough? Please help im just a 44 year old kid that really wants to build this.
nice vid man !!! have a question were do you get those tubing? whats size is thats tubing
great video...got my ideas flowing!! thanks
Hey dud ..nice ..!! Since im an aerospace welder i will take advange of of it ..i wil make it out of titanium tubing
Awesome video, your bloody brilliant with rc's
I revisited this video since I'm getting into brazing and my wife got me a little torch. What tip size do you normally use? Thanks for the great info.
I don’t recall the number I used on this set but it was one of the largest.
good and informative video:) good work, and please put the templets of this on your web site?
How much would charge me to build a full cage for my 4runner body on a scx10ii frame with my full interior?
DUDE THIS IS AMAZING!!!! Thank you so much!!
So is it really easier to use a CAD software to map out your build? How long do you spend making the design typically? Also sorry if I missed it but what program do you use? Auto cad?
Could this have made with brass tubing? Great video!
People have built them out of brass before but for a truck that gets used I would not suggest it. Brass is very soft and just doesn't hold up.
Thank you. Look forward to your next video!
Would you try MIG with a cage?
thats a cool piece of work
I want one of your steel setup plates (the plate with all the holes)
I personally found fusion really easy to pick up.
could i possibly use mig welding? since that's all we have and don't have the cash to run out and buy a tig welder. i run on 0.35 wire with mixed gases. im looking in making custom bumpers and roll cages, but don't like what the markets have to offer. Thank you very much and cant wait to hear from you soon, keep up the great work!!
You can use a mig welder, but it will be more clean up work in the end. A lot of people use a MIG though, so by all means you can still jump right in.
Harley Designs What kind of material are you using for the chassis? Would Carbon Steele be a good material to use for a Trophy truck?
Crawltheworld You sure can. Use any wire feed welder. A good tip is to mask off the area your not welding to avoid flux spatter on the rest of it.0.26 or 0.30 mild carbon wire in a 90-125 amp wire feed welder would be great for this little stuff. And on shielding?.......Read this;I wrap a bit of small dish sponge around near my work area that's slightly damp. Holding it with a wooden clothespin. It leaves no adhesive residue for additional welds on the steel.
icebox829 Mild carbon steel rod. About $1.75 per foot at the supply store. Sold in four foot lengths.
Awesome video! Very informative. How heavy is one of those roll cages?
It really depends on how much bracing is used. A couple pounds isn’t too unreasonable.
Hey Harley would a MIG welder work for doing some tack welding on the tubes and then using solder to fill and finish up the weld? Or would a MIG work for doing the whole chassis? My dad has a MIG i could use.
Where do you get your tubing?I am thinking of getting into building chassis for all of my 7 rigs.
What material can be used for cars
Less weight and good strength
Budget price
Have you figured out what works best for building a Jig?
I’ve built some jigs but not often, usually steel rod and some steel angle iron work well.
For those that care, P4X4 is dead, vertical scope killed it.
IRATE4X4 is where its at for tech and builds
Since you have a 3D Printer now, have you considered 3D printing a tube chassis?
I don't believe is using 3D printed parts in structural locations. I think this is a mistake too many people make.
I see. Thanks for the reply, appreciated your insight into this topic :D
How would you lay all this out without CAD?
hey how can I get your rock bouncer type of design I wanna make a cage for like a slash 4x4 front and rear axle or for a pair of clodbuster axle set. just a way larger scale maybe
1/8
Thanks, but what filler rod do you use?
I'm asking you is imprimeron diagrams for cutting and bending the rods to the tubular esctrutura I see in the video that you have some sheets with parts
They are on my website, HarleyDesigns.com
I'm looking at getting into building scaler chassis for myself. I'm gonna go with silver soldering. My question is, how well would silver solder paste work? from what I've seen I think it would work perfectly for this application. I am specifically looking at the muggyweld.com ssq-6. It has a strength of 70,000 psi and can be done with a mapp gas torch. What are your thoughts? Paste or do the classic silver solder way?
luke stowell I have never used the paste but I have seen it recently because my GF would like to try some jewelry soldering. 70,000 PSI should be plenty strong. You can use the traditional silver solder I use with a MAPP torch as well FYI.
link to the buildlog for the original truck?
I have a question, I braze with a simple oxygen torch, acid flux, and silver solder. I was wondering if you had ever had any problems with the solder dripping or just not creating a joint. It just kind of melts on there and either drips off or just creates a blob of solder that connects nothing. I was also wondering, can you print the templates on regular sheets of paper or do you have to have a bigger printer?
If the joints are clean and flux'd then I usually have good luck. Some of my prints are designed for regular size paper, but not all.
+Harley Designs Thank you! I'll have to try cleaning them up a little better before I braze.
Graeme Davis u need to heat the metal more and let the solder melt by touching the metal not the flame. cause sttel has a much higher temp b4 it melts then silver solder
what shielding gas would you use for tig welding brake line tubes ?
i have a tig welder that is currently set up with pure argon and i have a mig with c25...
Pure argon is all I use on my TIG. C25 won't work in a TIG but I do believe you can run Helium as well, although I don't know the benefits.
Very nice job thanks for this video....
What website did you use for the lines
I've never used chromoly tubing so I can't say what would be the best choice for that.
Hello Is can you tell me where to get the small hobby grade pipe onlineThanks in advance and do you still buy RC cars cars I have a twin hammers very nice clean condition maybe 5 runs On it All original kit truck
harley, what program did YOU use for this video?
I have an old Stick welder, could i use that or shud i upgrade?
Is using 3/16" or 1/4" brake line instead of steel rod a good idea?
+juancarlosruiz1985 it works very well, but you'll have to braze it.
Give more details for scaling scx10 chassi
Thank you for putting up this vid. Very informative. :)
What company make that bumper mount
Thanks man. That was great Info!
Is it hallow or is it solid
is it possible to use 3/16 with your temate please respond.only because I'm going to build it in my welding class
Yes, 3/16" is just fine.
Do you have the files anywhere fur is to download?
Do you have a template that is available for download I'm trying to make a cage for my 1/8 scale buggy if you could help i would appreciate it thanks
R50's SS You can go to my website and see what templates are available for download. I don't work with 8th scal buggies as they aren't really used in the scale market much.So you will have to use one I have as a base and go from there. The Ibex Goat would likely be the best start for a truck that size.
I working on a roll cage myself is there a way to put it together with out welding ?
Using a torch and silver solder is the best option and fairly cheap.
Thanks
Do you make this chassis and sell it?
could i make a rock bouncer with the cheap metod?
This video is pretty old, but do you use the same bender for tubing? If you do does it flatten the bend? Any info on this for a guy getting into scale fab would be awesome! Thanks in advance
For tubing I use a bender from Oakenshield Productions. The rod bender I showed in this video would flatten the tube just like you thought.
@@HarleyDesignsInc if you’ve got the time, a video on that would be sweet! Just ordered one off fb. Thankyou for the reply! Love your scale fab work!
@@80HD4x4 I don’t think I’ve got a specific video on it, I’ve used it in many videos but I can’t think of where to point you exactly for it!
@@HarleyDesignsInc I’ll have to see if I can find it!
Which joint is stronger? The braised or the Tig?
A properly blazed joint is very strong, and when using high silver content silver solder I believe the tensile strength of the joint exceeds the steel. However TIG welding is easier IMO and more likely to get a full strength weld. Both a great and brazing is a good way to start on a lower budget.
cool! thanks so much for your time!
@Harley Designs (or anyone else) Can you send me a link to the jewelers touch and bottles? Been in the RC hobby for awhile, and now i'm wanting to build my own chassis. I only have a small amount of "Play Money" set aside and don't want to blindly start ordering everything just to find out i ordered the wrong things.
+The Choosen One (Liquor by the Ounce) I actually don't see if listed on harbor freight any more. That's where I got mine.
I was thinking. For a beginner that's wanting to get started on a budget, JB-Weld should work, no? I've used JB-Weld for guick repairs on my cars; in-fact i repaired an exhaust hanger on my truck back in 2009(?) and it's still holding strong. I've used JB weld for repairs on my RC crawler and i've bashed the crap out of it and it's still holding strong.
The only problem i can think of is getting the pieces to stay in place while the jb-weld cures, and it would take longer to complete a build. But i just don't see a problem with the strength being an issue.
+The Choosen One (Liquor by the Ounce) for the size and forces we are looking at, I do not see it working. Not unless you used very large amounts and the visual of that would be very unappealing.
Hey Harley can you use a mig welder for this? I like the migs much better
You can use a MIG but they are not nearly as clean when working on this type of work. It takes a lot of cleanup to make smooth joints. I have a MIG as well but TIG or brazing looks much better.
What kind of torch would be cheap to get for braising? I want to get a mig welder anyway for the 1:1s but with the rcs what's a cheap torch that would work good?
You can use the cheap Oxy/prop setup lowes if you want.
I will look into that. Thank you for helping me out.
What is stronger though
What CAD program do you use
Will the scout templates work on the scx10 2 ?
Yes it will work well with that rig as well.
Could u braze with a propane torch??
Tyler Hughes I believe you could, it will just take awhile to get everything hot enough.
Nice job but why not use a mig welder?
Devin Leatherman I have a MIG as well but a MIG doesn't work nearly as well. It adds too much material for the size of material. It takes too much clean up to make the joints flow as well. TIG is much cleaner.
okay thanks for the respond
@HarleyDesign whats your welder amperage, & argon flow?
Depends on the material size and type. It ranges from 25-60amps. My argon is usually around 15.
@@HarleyDesignsInc awsome thanks for the info man! I was going to try to make some sliders out of 3/16" steel rod, first. Then go from there.
to use Autocod the way u did with he pics is it going to take a lot of work to learn
+Akeem Griffiths if you have never used it, then yes it will take a LOT of time.
Ok thanks
Keep doing your thing . What size rod your using though
What program do you use and is it free
There are many CAD programs, the one I use in this video is NOT free.
Harley Designs ok thanks
Harley Designs isn't Autocad 2012 freeware now?
Can you please specify on what program it is? Free or not i just want to know because ive got a project i want to do and i need a good cad program. Thank you