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Sableye Is AWFUL For Pokemon Unite
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- Опубликовано: 18 авг 2024
- Sableye is just the worst and I really kind of hate having it in my games. Lets get into why this Pokemon is so toxic and what they could do to fix it. I hope we get this changed soon. Yeehaw
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I only ever have fun playing against a Sableye if im playing Greedent because even if you get stunned you can still shoot at it with bulletseed and destroy it
but any other squishy pokemon like decidueye or espeon feels like a nightmare because they can kill you if they have a unite and you can't counter it because they get the first hit, unless you get lucky by throwing a random stun
I'm sorry but I think they need to gut it's damage some more. Utility absolutely does not need damage and a lot of us love his play style. Punish him by making him weak in a fight outside of some cc. Force Sableye to run from fights.
I’ll be honest as some who rose up the ranks thx to sableye you have to use him really well as at the beginning you need to time your attacks so that the opponent doesn’t get the final hit which makes it difficult for a little while but having one less person on a lane can be bad but slowing down jungler can be huge
I’ve never had fun playing against a Sableye… and it’s really bad for the game especially for those players who don’t really know what it does. Where did my Aeos energy go? Why did I get sent back to base? Why did my teammate Gardevoir kill me? What happened to my controls?
@@ClamGlizzy It's not Sableye's fault people play a moba without understanding the abilities. That's the problem with Unite, everything is dumbed tf down and OP to keep the attention of the intellectually deficient.
It would be funny if sableye from opposite teams could see each other and fight while being invisible
good idea, they can maybe add this mechanic
Nice now every game you need a Sableye to counter it
Pokemon Unite, More like Pokemon Unite against Sableye
@@anormalguy8407 maybe even include dragapult into the mix too. It'll be like 2 battles going on in the same match
i genuinely want this if they keep adding pokemon that can be invisible. make it so all pokemon with invisibility activated can see other pokemon with invisibility activated, even if its just their gamertag or their sprite is at 50% opacity like when you're in grass.
It'd be better if there was a held item that gave pokemon like clear vision.
As much as people hate sableye, other pokemon like gengar uniting or just good ol smokescreen frog can deal a ton more damage than the gremlin. We need vision as a counter.
Sableye is the definition of "I love playing this character but hate going against it"
And why does my favourite characters in games always is this defininition
I hate the amount of cc they keep adding to the game, while making counterplay to said cc weaker. They keep on nerfing full heal and the pink emblems doesn't do a whole lot.
To answer your question Jake, i really hate facing sableye. The constant jungle invades while unable to do anything is super frustrating. The fact that sableye can score a fat 30-40 points while someone is camping the goal, is just icing on the cake.
Edit: I see i'm not the only one that feels the same way with the cc in the game and that gives me hope for unite to get better at some point. I feel like only defenders should have the hard cc, so they can either engage in combat with their team or peel for them. Having cc abilities on nearly every single pokemon is simply quite silly. With the amount of cc in the game, i feel like i barely PLAY the game.
Yes! These stun lock one-shot characters like Buzzwole, Mamoswine and Mr. Mime are not designed well. Without full heal it’s just like going against Slowbro unite, just horrible to play against in uncoordinated play. Nerfing full heal or making full heal ineffective is not the answer, completely reworking them is
Yeah I feel like this isn't being talked about as it should be. There's so much of it and it all lasts so long. I was hit by a Mr. Mike Barrier and I couldn't move for like 4 seconds and just died.
full heal should have gotten a buff, not a nerf.
And 7 pink emblems should give at least 50% hinderance resistance.
Yup, the CC in this game is a serious issue and they need to flat-out remove it from as many Pokemon moves as possible where it makes sense. Cinderace's Blaze Kick being one such example. Pokemon besides Defenders and Supports having CC should be the exception, not the norm. Full Heal and pink emblems certainly need buffs too.
I’ve said this since the beginning of the game cc is too strong too many mons have cc so you get punished in team fights for playing characters who don’t have cc or cc immunity. Literally since alolan ninetails the concept of doing damage and not allowing the person you’re doing damage to to be able to move is absurd.
Everyone gangsta untill Sableye press attack button > confuse ray > shadow sneak > attack ah yes 3 - 5s stun durations.
I would take fear and confusion any day over surf+ and telekinesis ;)
Surf you can see coming, telekinesis you can definitely see coming and it can be disrupted if slowbro is cc’ed. Sableye can’t be seen coming and if your full heal isn’t up you’re stunned to death.
lmao slowbro mains be like
@@noskes1 agreed,its scary how munch stun blaestoise and slowbro provides
If you are a defender, just use pink emblem
Sableeye should not be able to stay invisible after getting hit with a basic. This will reduce its effectiveness of running awash from combat
I like that idea, atleast do this for the passive. I understand the ability kinda needs it
This was what I thought the other day! Agreed
@@anormalguy8407 Removing it from the passive is good. Taking it away from the move would make him unplayable. If that happens, though, they need to undo the previous damage nerf.
That's the reason which sneak move has a cooldown of 13 seconds
Sableye Shadow Sneak literally an "oh look a distraction"
But with Knock Off, I hate it even more, it knocks off my aeos then steals it then dunks it
But I love how Sableye isn't another support that heals
Cinderace mid sees Sableye on enemy team, "Ah, I see I'm not allowed to play this match"
i can confirm
Most mid would leave jungle if they even see sableye in the area. Thats how oppressive that stupid mon is 😂
imagine if sableye had keen eye instead of prankster. like it could see invisible pokemon and pokemon in bushes or something
Sableye already broke Pokémon TCG so him being a huge annoyance here is no surprise tbh.
I do find sable eye to be frustrating to play against. I like the idea behind it and it does its role really well but it's hard to react.
Agreed, especially with confuse ray
although I was going to say sableye is a much needed counter against certain go-to carries, I also have to admit, I play slowbro sometimes and in one match I managed to slowbeam sableye 3 different times and it was the best feeling ever.
They could reduce their HP as well. I mean, 7900 is not amazing, but for what it does, it should have less health so it can be taken down more easily too. Just an idea.
When Sableye has more max. HP then Garchomp lol
Yeah its pretty damn bulky for the hit and run play style.
Welp at least his defences are not as great as garchomps though
I've been playing sable eye abit. Trust me it's health is very low if you make 1 mistake your dead in a second before you can even turn invisible. You have to be very strategic every single time you choose to go visible if you want to be good at it. It has the longest cooldowns so once you have used your invisible twice if you don't kill the enemy with your skills your dead as everything's on cooldown. Also it's hard for me to even get to level 12 by the end of the game.
@@0DarrenMeredith0 "If you don't kill the enemy with your skills, you're dead as everything's on cooldown". I can understand the other factors you mentioned, but I don't think Sableye is designed to be killing anything, but rather to stun enemies and help its allies. That just shows that it's not balanced and it's doing way too much. It's like you were describing Zoroark or something.
Despite the fact that I absolutely love Sableye as a pokemon and I hold it very dear to my heart, I understand and agree that it definitely need some changes!
And I think the invis getting turned off for a while after it is hit is a perfect way to balance it! Kinda like Sombra from Overwatch!
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The invisibility is fine with me. Just get rid of the 5-second stun!
@@quamorant133 No, that sounds awful
@@quamorant133 or we can do both :D
yay a sableye lover!
Can we also talk about the fact that the vast majority of people who have a huge problem with sableye just do not run a single defensive item or emblem? Like since when are we having empathy for full atk cinderaces and people who _play_ every pokemon as a cinderace.
As someone who usually jungles or goes top lane, Sableye hurts my soul. I do agree with the changes, but I also think there should be a very small cooldown (or a downside maybe) for the passive invisibility. That way it doesn't murder the little gentleman, but it's a bit harder to hit, Confuse Ray, and run. Plus it makes it harder to steal jungle and get away safely.
Right?! 😂 with an AWFUL passive like Snorlax, it’s amazing they allow something so goddamn OP.
First time i faced Sableye i had no clue what it does and i was so confused i started yelling WTF DO I DO AGAINST THAT
What i absolutely hate about sableye is that you can’t see him until he decides to score or attack, in other words WHEN ITS TOO LATE
If sableye is literally on top of you, you should be able to see him.
I do this often but ima do it again, in League of Legends stealth is an issue, but at least you can see stealthed champions if they are on top of you
They should have a massive radius where it shows that a sableye is near and but have it kind of be transparant and the closer it gets the more it fells upwards and have him go visible if he stays near you like he does now
Agreed. I honestly somehow wasn't even aware of this until this morning. Tightly contested match, enemy secured Ray but it was still close until the end regardless. So I went to camp on base and prevent enemy score. Sableye went from completely undetectable to dropping a +50 on the base I was literally standing on before a move could even come out. I assumed it would have the "nearby" alert, but... yea
The biggest sin is the lack of detection. No types of sentry wards is a dream for invisible characters.
It's not an issue in league buddy.
Not at all.
@@triavang7946 and yet so many people complain about it. Remember when Akshan released?
I personally do not have a problem with sableye but all I think is that the cc and stun needs to stop in the current meta, already hard enough for physical attackers to get a hit in on a fleeing special attacker or in big team fights getting spam stunned not being able to do anything unless you run pink emblems
Yes yes 1000% yes
I mostly agree with everything, except even if you *_do_* run pink emblems they just don't do enough. The cc is most likely a result of too many people going for full-atk builds on mons that already carry hard. The devs wanted to balance the game but all the cc just ends up affecting the wrong people the most.
Absolutely
@@idunnowhatimdoin exactly. it needs to change there is just no counter to it, they even nerfed full heal
I can’t agree more
This goes deeper than Sableye, the game is riddled with CC, it plays around it while full heal got nerfed instead of buffed,
Everything stuns, slows and disables you in this game, even basic attacks do (Lucarios boosted)
I know this comment is 4 months old, but I have to say that this is sadly how TiMi rolls. Their other moba is so infrsted with hard CCs rjat it's nogh unplayable at times.
Unite's response to this is to introduce Chandelure. Making it exactly the same as Sableye with fear, burst and invisibility, except that it's the ranged special version.
Being a Dodrio main, it is a problem to face, but not as bad as other pokemon. I usually run full heal and can clear confuse Ray easily if hit, and then get the hit on Sableye to take it out. Sure I hate it's other build more, since the false orbs hurt my speed when no one is around.
I was just saying it's actually very rewarding when playing dodrio to get a hit on sableye while it's invisible. And it's so true that there are other pokemon that are way more overpowered and everyone seems to just be ok with that.
I like the idea of having a Pokemon very good at invading. I like the idea of a pokemon whos best skill is map information. I love a pokemon with a frenzy mechanic. Having all of them is Sabeleyes greatest sin.
I was just about to say! Sableye has some very interesting components. But the devs were on crack when they thought all of this was suitable for one Pokémon. It's like when you're learning to cook, put way too much seasoning, and now have an inedible meal 😅
I wouldn’t be mad at the sableye invade if I could see him more often invading is annoying yea but if I can at least try to counter my opponent I’m fine with it
Yes! I was really excited for Sableye, but because the wards (the fake energy) I really wanted to be able to give vision and info to my team, but then that build is completly useless bc you should always run shadow sneak + confuse ray D:
It’s the combination of hard CC, movement speed, and ESPECIALLY invisibility that just skews risk reward into Sableye’s favor so often in a way that feels (and usually is) unfair. It allows Sableye to not just jungle invade better than anyone, but back cap better, disrupt team fights better, force out full heal/other resources better.
I didn't even know Sableye is supposed to invade, I just went lane. Also, funny you mentioned Delphox cuz, that's my counter. The Flame Charge Mystical combo with the floating fireballs is what kills it out of its invisibility.
When I see a sableeye on another team I think to my self "well this is probably gonna be annoying ". But tbh it's not the same way I used to feel against pre nerfed Mime .
Sure it has all these different ways to aggravate early game but I've noticed most players kinda hit their limit with it mid game to the point where it doesn't become much of a factor .
It was nerfed a patch or two ago so it's pick rate isn't as frequent and I've been seeing people use dragapult and Urishifu more often.
I think that you should be immune to fear if sableye have already flinched you in the last 20 seconds
It would be kinda nice if he was forced to at least fear multiple people rather than chaining stuns on the same one
i dont play sableye, and even i feel that would be too excessive
That’s a good change it should be like Lucario e speed resets you gotta find a new target
I think nerfing the duration of its cc's can be the solution
Yeah, remove its stun and just make it so when you get hit, you attack your allies whenever you tap your buttons.
@@quamorant133 Dont need to remove, he is a support to disrupt enemies. Leave the stun but reduce its duration. 1 or 2s is enough.
@@mokacortes532
Just make it so the target attacks its allies whenever it presses a button to attack. It can last for that long as long as you can move and walk away.
Don’t even like having Sableye on the team. Sableye often goes to the bottom lane but instead just fucks off to invade and you’re just left there on your own trying to survive but you probably don’t.
I really like playing sableye (yes, I'm part of the problem) and i truly believe that receiving damage while invis should make you visible, the way it works now is just dumb
Before watching this video I literally typed a whole rant yesterday to vent my issues with sableye, namely the fact it makes Pokémon that reward positioning by being frail but powerful irrelevant because how can you position yourself against something that’s invisible?
Not only that but it can also steal your point when your trying to stack from level 1 its the worst feeling heading to goal get your first stack in and then snap out of the he appears and steals your point😢
Hot take: I love sableye and he is probably my favorite pokemon inside unite and yes it is a little frustrating when he is in the opposing team but I still love him (and I would love if they buffed knock off and feint attack and if they nerf shadow sneak and confuse ray)
Yesterday I played a jungle gardevoir where the enemy sableye was harassing me in jungle the whole game (keeping me underleveled), I managed to kill him once after a unite to hold it in place, Moonblast to stun it and than Psychock to finish it off! Literally had to throw everything I had at him to take it down.
Honestly I don’t even enjoy having a Sableye on my own team. I might as well not have a lane partner.
More xp for you lol
What if they just move his abilities around? Make you pick between shadow sneak OR confuse ray so you can't have both.
The real fun to play as/against of this hit & run type is Dodrio.
Yeah a good Dodrio can be very frustrating too, like Sableye, BUT it doesn't feel as unfun, bc I know he's dead if I manage to stop the speed meter. Sableye just turns invisible and it's gone before you know it
Playing against Sebleye is annoying, even for the most patient players. I don't use it because I don't like to play the troll on the team, I rather play a more active role.
When Sableye is used strategically, it can make a good difference during the match. But, most of the time, you gotta stick with the troll Sableye on your team, who is on his own and doesn't really play a support roll at all. Also, he should not get to be invisible once you hit him, and he needs an increase in the cool down reduction for invisibility. It's not fun, it gets to a point we're you know you might not kill him immediately, so you ignore him until you can.
Fun fact: you can detect an opposing sableye EVEN IN A BUSH, if you try to steal rayquaza then this ain’t the Pokémon for you
Sableye is hated so hard that in the popularity list in the subreddit
It got killed out TWICE
Since the start, I've been saying we need to petition to completely remove Sableye because he was a mistake. His kit is just naturally toxic. Either remove him or rework him because these shenanigans won''t last. The mime/mew era already pushed a lot of players away and then to release this BS shortly after... tilt = gacha mechanics.
I stopped playing Trevenant because of Sableye.
Confuse Ray literally shuts down Trevenant completely by disabling all of it’s healing.
All sableye I encouter in solo q are bad, so I destroy them.
I have the feeling you describe with greedent most of the time, because greedent is way easier to play and my teamates chase him for hours.
I think the solution for all our problems will be to create a wall for the first 2 minutes of the game, around the jungles, and only teamates can cross this wall. Stealing jungle should be a mid and late game strats, not a first minute strat.
Honestly, I would love for them to nerf it so hard that we never seen it played again. I am over it and am considering not playing again until they do
I absolutely hate sableye with a burning passion. You're totally right, he's just not fun to play against. All CC isn't fun to play against but this one takes the cake.
I saw an anti-Sableye video and clicked immediately
Please don't ask for more nerfs. I'm a support main even in other Mobas and Sableye is the only Pokemon I find fun and capable of carrying bad team mates. I can kill enemies trying to steal Ray and zone other enemies away. What we need are buffed defense stats in the game. Full Tank Defenders are still squishy compared to other Mobas
Me not caring at all when I see a Sableye in the enemy team: ☺️
Me when seeing a gengar or a Mr. Mime(before): 👀 alriiiiiight...
Not to mention that Sableye on your team just hides while you take all the damage. Sure they can be there to surprise the enemy team, but most of the time they just leave you alone while they go steal jungle. They are the worst "support" in the game, clearly they're an attacker.
The devs severely messed up in putting Sableye into the game and the only way to remedy this is to nerf them to be completely unusable.
sableye provides so much value for your team and is too much of a nightmare for the enemy team for you to flip the narrative and say theyre bad teammates.
Sableye isnt an attacker, his kit is supportive in nature, he is there to debuff the enemy team with a shit ton of cc and utility, just because he doesnt heal doesnt mean he is not supporter.
I just quit unite today cause I went through 10 games of all sableye users. That Pokémon is a nightmare to unite.
instead of healing while invisible, what about taking damage and/or being slowed? This way its a trade off to always be invisible vs an all around buff
Solution options:
1. Remove fear. Replace it with nothing. The CC is the main issue. Removing fear will address the major problem. But its not on theme.
2. Increase cooldowns on everything. Make it so Sableye has to commit to its plan. If it messes up it is screwed. I'm talking like a 2 second increase on sneak, confuse ray, and even passive invisibility.
3. Reduce damage massively. I'm talking it will be impossible for it to 1v1. It will actually have to be "supporting" a carry to be useful. It will be such a big nerf steal/securing wild pokemon will be a problem for sableye.
Any one of these I think will be fine. More than 1 would be overkill. But maybe it deserves overkill?
I can't believe people are defending Sableye here. "just run full heal and don't have a problem" is probably the stupidest take ever.
Having an item/Pokemon be a must pick in order to not get stomped is braindead.
Sometimes I do get stunlocked by sableye but i have noticed this same "not fun" stunlock with other pokemon like buzzwole and mammo
I have had fun playing against sableye; usually when both teams have a sableye though.
I agree! Another is getting constantly frozen by ninetales. However, in these cases, you can see the pokemon so you can strafe out of their attack radius
To be honest there's too much cc in the game overall. Sableye or not, no one enjoys sitting on screen in the middle of a fight not being able to push buttons for 5 seconds
I want to see Galarian Weezing with the ability Neutralizing gas. Where abilities and invisibility do not work in Weezings AOE.
Also an explosion unite that deals massive damage and forces weezing to base (not a death but an inconvenience in exchange for the high damage output).
Nope he gotta get blown up too lol
I honestly dont think Sableye is "awful" or "unfun" to play with/against. It in fact brings a whole new dynamic to the match, like hoopa does. I like how it challenges the default way to play jungle. But it still is a rage inducing pokemon and needs to be balanced, as every other.
Thank you! Especially since there’s other Pokémon to counter. Like cough cough* GENGAR he enrages me a lot more than sable were. Me: looks at Gengar for 1 sec
Gengar players : 2 easy hit combos and my health deteriorates like nothing…
The thing is there is almost no counter play to a sableye jungle invade you just kinda have to hold it
You're clearly not a master player or hell even ultra if you think sabelye isn't pure aids. Ah yes let's make a tank with infinite invisibility that can fear you out of stealth and combo it into anything for 80% of your health bar. Get real
@@lordninetails514 I always chase him down with my Machamp and easily punish him 🤷♂️ but yes you’re right I’m not there yet to be fair just on Expert but working my way up there…still feel like others need more fixing before him though cough cough* Gengar
@@princebryan9434 Gengar is 10x more fair than sabelye, Gengar is literally a noob killer. Only op against people that don't know how to fight him. Sabeleye has zero counterplay and no way to deal with him once he's invisible.
honestly gengar gives me more grief than sableye does.
Remember when supports were actually SUPPORT??? Why do they make Mime and Sableye do insane damage/healing/CC? They behave more like attackers
I have Sableye in almost every ranked match and yesterday I was so sick of it I considered quitting ranked entirely. I was trying to push the final parts of Class 2 and 1 Ultra to get Masters and every match is ruined by this thing. You can't escape a fight with low health if one is around, you can't get last hits on anything if its around, and the number of times I've been sent back to base while trying to score even after Ray because one camped invisible at a goal is ridiculous. It's even more frustrating if I am playing something that can't manually target thin air to try to hit it after it vanishes - you just have to wait for it to come back before you can use a move and even then it usually happens so fast you don't get it fired off.
Sableye definitely needs to not be invisible after being hit and maybe make it a little harder for it to turn invisible overall. Knock Off can actually be a really annoying move too so the devs need to be careful if they decide to buff it. A new Battle Item that dispels nearby buffs on enemies, including invisibility, would be quite handy.
Honestly sableye really is annoying. I remember that every game I've played against,the one I was the most annoyed by was sableye. It annoyed me even worse than a camping spirit shackle decidueye and the way it stunned me and stole my jungle really just annoyed me and angered me to so much that I used my unite on it no matter what. Even told my teammates to attack sableye at once
I agree it can be very frustrating. The fear state hit(back strike) is crazy its literally so good and what makes sabele even harder to deal with. It literally feel like he has 2 confuse rays. Fear hit - confuse ray- shadow sneak - fear hit again - confuse Ray. They need to take away it's fear state hit because that back strike is crazy and the dmg is good already.
I disagree. Keep the support cc but give him support damage. Practically none.
I hate it so much, any game with one in it is no longer a fun game
and I can't help but think less of people that play it
its skillset is that of an assassin. NOT A SUPPORT.
I completely agree that it’s unfun to deal with sableye but i genuinely think greedent is in the same camp. Sure he’s fun to play but properly playing greedent makes it unbelievably unfun to play against
I’ve decided to stop playing until they fix Sableye, however long that is. It’s too frustrating to play against 5+ seconds of CC
Some streamers cries because sableye ruin their videos, that's all...
See, now I am presented with a dilemma:
Yes, Sableye is very bad for the game, denies stacking, stuns forever, asks for your teammates to *not* hit the enemy.
But on the other hand, he's so incredibly fun to use I wanna keep him forever. Even if it makes everyone else hate me, that just means they're going to waste resources on me instead of using them on the Ray fight or on deleting my carry. So it's a win win!
I imagine a world where sableye gets permabanned in tournaments but within a players agreement. Like sableye not being picked either as a mon pick or a ingame ban.
I'm a Sableye main, when I got into the game bought it with the coins that I grinded from tutorial and battles, and I agree that when you get hit you should be kept visible for a set time just like when you attack and have to be out of combat to become invisible again and I think also the fear you inflict should have a cooldown.
@@DuskLegend yeah I just added as a thought, but people really hate Sableye 🤣 the best advice I can give is use it and get familiar with it and you'll learn to counter it. Also I have died while invisible since there are players that throw out moves even if invisible.
I do feel like the hate train on sableye is dominating the conversation and we are not getting the other side of the story.
Like, maybe all the one-trick-ponies out there griefing need to finally expand their horizons and rethink their strategies and switch up their builds for once.
Sableye mains have stayed too silent and … invisible.
@@idunnowhatimdoin I also saw a video of a youtuber that was criticizing Sableye for stealing his jungle, but when he saw the Sableye emblem above his head he kept attacking the jungle buff, me personally would've been alert and stopped attacking the buff and checked to see if it revealed itself. It's not that hard to be weary when you see the emblem. I feel the hate is more on RUclips where people are trying over Sableye instead of finding counters to it. They'll just yell nerf instead of learning, if I were to yell nerf on every mon that I struggle with against the game would have no Pokémon 🤣
I've been running Safeguard Blissey... a lot. But I hate how I feel like I HAVE to play it just in case there is an enemy gremlin. It really limits the meta right now imo
@@DuskLegend as if it were that easy. Its like you didn't watch the video my guy
It's sad as sableye is literally my favourite pokemon and I'm sad that it is making the game worse
What could be nice , is if that chandelure offskill could be to create a large circle of light that will reveal pokemon in grass AND reveal invisible pokemon
i honestly have no problem with sableye at all. i think its fun to play as and against. i mean, the satisfaction of sniping an invisible sableye when he tries to get away is just too good!
as a dodrio, just drill pecking into the air and hitting sableye made matches a ton more fun. I think I hit more sableyes than any other pokemon!!
Also as slowbro getting multiple slowbeams on sableye was the highlight of my day.
maybe follow the DOTA example of stealth assassin (not allowing it to turn invisible for a short time when under attack/attacking others) and give the goals vision of invisible units and a wider FOV. This makes it difficult for sableeye to have a free reign at scoring, while also giving incentives to the opposing team to keep their goals up for a longer time
I love this pokemon and at the same time i hate it. It's frustratintng to play agaist the shadow sneak / confusion ray build, but I don't think the pick/ban thing would be good. Sure, it would solve the problem, but it would create another problem: nobody can play sableye beceuse it's aways banned, it would be basically as if everyone who bought sableye lost the 14000 coins they spent for nothing.
A better solution would be nerfing this pokemon so that you can punish it for it's mistakes, like:
-taking damage ends invisibility
-nerf max hp to at least 7000
-shadow sneak and confusion ray get less benefits with stacking items
-nerf the movement speed decrease in the fear (from 40% to 25% would be good)
-confused enemies have incrasef movement speed and deal a lot more damage if they hit sableye (so you have to be more carefull to not confuse them when they are alone, or you will take a lot of damage and it wont be easy to escape if you mess up)
-feint attack reveals ennemies while taking the over-time damage (to make the other build a little better)
Please correct me if I made any English mistakes , it's not my native language.
This is a very common role in these types of games. Assassins are usually meant to be annoyingly stealthy and able to one shot. It sounds like the other stuff like full heal needs balancing. People have always hated characters like Zed and Katarina both for being hella busted and impossible to play in League.
Seeing that Pokémon with invisibility or illusions are becoming more common, just add a held item that lets you see invisible Pokémon or something, or a radar battle item that lets you see invisible Pokémon near you when you activate it
Sableye is so annoying to play against bc there’s really no way to stop it. Not unless, like you said, change your play style or build to specifically counter it. This really limits so much of your gameplay. and it’s so much easier to support your team, because it gives so much cc
A rework could be nice. The invisibility is a bit too much, you can burn this guy, stun it, and it will stay invisible, I even Power Swap it and it still stays invisible, you can't even see the teather that links you to it so you still have to gess where it is.
Do i have fun playing against Sableye? no, at all. Sableye may be the exact reason why full heal was nerfed instead of, yknow, nerfing the problem itself….
My question is, how do you KO a thief?
If someone is invading my jungle, I take a Baltoy and prepare to fight when I see them. But no one as far as I know sees Sableye until it's too late. He's already there. He's already everywhere. So, I definitely agree that Sableye needs to be more counterable.
Here are two suggestions from me:
Getting incapacitated breaks invisibility immediately.
Sableye cannot score with invisibility, or for 1s after invisibility ends.
The first means you can catch this thief. The second means Sableye would give opponents a moment to react if they're defending that goal.
I hope my suggestions are helpful.
A good counter would be to not be invisible vs dark type Pokémon. In core games, Prankster doesn’t effect dark type Pokémon at all, so it would be canon
They shouldn't nerf Full heal they should have buff Full heal
I know this Pokémon can be really annoying but I almost never run into a good Sableye player. They’re just running around back capping and almost never participate in group fights. So I roll my eyes when a Sableye is on my team.
Ah yes, I sure do love to be stunned for 6 seconds without any possibility of react to it, get 50 points dunked right in my face even if I'm right in the goal defending, get my early points stealed so I can't stack and he absolutely can unpunished, being sent to my base out of nowhere just because I was trying to see where he is, not killing him even if he's at -1 HP because of his fun passive, and see him invading the jungle leaving the lane with me alone just to miss miserably of go away with it but never ever coming back to the lane!
I sure do love you, you little pesky gremlin!
HOW ABOUT WE COMPLAIN ABT SLOWBRO HOLDING ME IN THE AIR FOR 10 YEARS
Sableye is the worst because you can’t see it coming to counter play it, goes invisible every time you try to attack it, constant confuse rays.
Not only is it miserable for me to face Sableyes, (I absolutely LOVE securing Zap/Ray with my team as Hoopa and getting cc'd to death as I try to leave or being the only one transported back to base) I find that most Sableyes I play WITH are super annoying "Thanks!" Or "Check it out!" players who steal their own jungler's farm -w-
I agree it's really not fun to play against a stable eye or to have one on your team. It's key encourages the trollish back capping, sneaking away during team fights. It also doesn't help that this behaviour twnda to earn you the VIP marker at the end score screen.
Sableye should have the same treatment as the spy from TF2. When you're invisible and take damage you become visible for a moment. Not fully visible, but a translucent silhouette so it is still possible to get away after being caught, but if you're predictable you're punished for it and are very likely to die. Sableye could also have its invisibility break and become stunned if they take too much damage while cloaked, almost like getting guard broken in a fighting game? Would be fitting for a pokemon with so many ways to stun be concerned about getting stunned if they get caught out.
As being a player who is using sableye it's incredible in solo Q because people just play hyper carries and nobody cares about stuns and this only Pokemon have enough of being all other 4 player
I want to say... *Fear is too overpowered and should be nerfed it's stun into 1 sec only*
They should change the invisibility mechanic. The fact that it's considered "out of combat" even while it's being attacked is stupid. It should be considered "in combat" as long as it's being attacked or attacking
This reminds me of the Developer commentary for Halo 3, the designers made sure that every weapon was fun to fight with AND against. They didnt want you to be frustrated dying to a certain weapon, or game mechanic. Unite should learn from this philosophy, sableye may be fun to play, but it is very frustrating to play against. You may be able to secure a KO, but sableye comes out of invisibility and CCs you so their teammate can escape. The utility and effect sableye has in the game is way to impactful in a game, he instantly changes how a unite match goes, just from being in the game.
It really is a pity how the counter play is, have full heal, and with the recent nerf to full heal it kind of just sucks. And the other options of banning is also just a pity, still hate fighting it in solo
I think what’s ruining the experience is that moves are so amazingly effective with less and less drawback. Invisible Sableye? Make it’s defense 50% less. Just give things high ceiling rewards and possible game impacting risks!
What if confuse ray swapped with knock off.
Meaning you either choose sneak attack OR confuse ray, not both
Having a pokemon in a moba setting that stays invisible/untargetable even tho u managed stun it is the definition of ridiculous
In conversation about the jungle stealing meta now forming it's definitely an op strat and is not fun to play against. I honestly think less pokemon should be jungle dependent, I dare say no pokemon should be jungle dependent and it should be a bonus to a mon that has the buffs and xtra levels but shouldn't decide whether a mon is capable of participating or not. That way even when your jungle is being stolen you're already competitive enough to fight off your invader and hopefully counter them.
Funny how yesterday I've played (and won 7 games) with Sableye... I haven't played this long since Unite release!!
I can't say I love it, but it is fun because it's squishy but mischievous and it is possibly to CARRY in SOLO
Sableye has ruined my fun with this game constantly....any time its on the enemy team I can feel my anxiety spike because I know I'm going to not have a good time. Its infuriating even winning against it doesn't feel good because it feels like you've just been through a 10 minute stress test.
reminds me of a Disney RPG I used to play. When Hercules got into the game the creators tried so hard to make counters and checks to it, I hope Pokemon unite can come up with a way to check this gremlin