Btw everyone, this setup is nothing like bookshelf speakers and an active sub. Nothing at all like that. These are not subs nor are they powered. The OGY speakers are single driver and there are no crossovers in the system. The result is a wide open, 3D, big and welcoming immersive sound. Very organic and rich sounding as well.
Hi,I'm a musician and been in many different studios,age 50 so now my ears are not what they use to be but I've always liked the sound of car speakers full range ones twin cones, with bass and treble..no crossover love em,my question is if the studios had these speakers, would the final production be better or is it the fact that these speakers enhance the mix they did, would it be the same if they mixed with that set up.
I am so happy that you’re reviewing these delightful loudspeakers. The driver manufacturer is just down the road from my home in southern France in BEZIERS. EMS SARL have been making very high efficiency drivers for decades. I have a pair in a home made setup. The very high sensitivity is a hallmark. Almost all of their production goes to export markets.
If I may comment on the aesthetics - the mounting design for the OGY's on top of the BOB's looks DIY. Furthermore, I don't see how the OGYs are vibrationally isolated. Additionally (yes, there is more), the open top appearance of the BOB looks awful (to my eyes). Maybe the BOBs should come with a (separate) top panel with a stylish rig to place the OGYs and at the same time isolate them.
The answer to your question is the Vandersteen 2C design. Create a rack. Mount 2 BOBs + one OGY on a rack. Wrap cloth around to create a cohesive block design
I just read the review on your site. The way you describe the music is in line with everything I love about single-driver speakers and open baffle bass. When done well it's "just right." Hard to explain until you hear it. Natural, open, detailed but not etched, dynamic but not forced, haunting imaging, etc.... I'd like to see more about using the BOBBs with other speakers. I have a pair of Cube Nenuphar Jr. w/ 2 REL S510s. I love the RELs but I also love open baffle bass and these may be a great option to try.
I’m listening to a vintage Pilot mono tube amp right now, it’s a 6v6GTY tube type, has a few 12ax7s in the preamp stage. The speaker I’m using is a Pionner Pax 30, 15” coaxial driver. Running the combo OB and for vocals and jazz it’s pretty amazing. OB can sound amazing if set up correctly. Unfortunately it’s not always the best with SS gear. All of your gear looks cool tho.
It's funny how people are blown away by open baffles. They are literally the easiest & best speakers anyone can build themselves & the only thing to consider while building one is the baffle width & ofc xo points & types.
I've really been intrigued by open baffle subs lately -- I think that's the way to go for far more realistic and nuanced acoustic bass. My ultimate setup would be KEF R3, coupled with something like the Bobs. (though maybe a slightly more affordable version) ..
Such a shame you cannot let us hear that feeling. I have owned my Lynn Nexusses for think 30 years now and for tharlt price have not heard better. Do have to say that a Tennitis conbined with my "Elder" ears might not find the finer details. Enjoyed your review. Thanks and much enjoyment ! 🤘🦁🤘
Hi very nice system indeed Have you tried the OGY also upside down maybe ? i mean with the full range driver closer to the upper woofer I believe in keeping drivers as close as possible
Yeah man!! Back in the 70s Tompall Glaser had a set of cornerhorns in his office(large room) at Glaser Brothers Recording Studio. They had the normal NS10s and large JBL main monitors, but no mix left the studio without it being played on the Klipse first. The studio also had a Real large plate reverb in a room in the basement. The had another room set up with a speaker and mic for Real room reverb. It was a very long room. This was the only studio I was ever in that had either of these! All the best, Sonny T
This is just my opinion. It might even sound better if you just have open FR drivers on the top. More reverb and more dipole sound. I would try it if I were you. Mine are the best speakers I ever heard and they are open 5" FR drivers on top of the boxed woofers (opposite configuration to yours). 😅 I have a filter on the open driver and it's highly modified with cutouts for extended highs, and to simulate a free edge cone. Unique! 😅
Since you’ve heard quite some high quality systems of all prices and usually wooden warm speakers I wonder what you’d think of the kef ls60 active towers. Have you ever heard them?
Since I already have two Rel Subs I’m using with DIY open Baffles, couldn’t I just use them with the source point top speakers instead of the BOB’s ? It may not be the same match , but it would be more budget friendly.
Heck Yes, and I would prefer to have adjustable crossover for this , I Think 125h is too low for the 4 inch driver to get down to. Just something I would prefer to have control of.
For some time I've been using a pair of SVS subs perched on Kallex cubes. This provides the base for a pair of Fostex P-1000 BH, back-loaded horn speakers that look a lot like the OGY. The performance of this setup is surprising, for under 2 grand, total.
My Rel Subs are on the carpeted floor because Rel says that the feet are the proper height to couple them to the floor. They also stack them together, so have you listened to your SVS subs on the floor to hear a difference.
The Maria was tuned specifically to the Ogy & & Bob or You used it with the Amber settings? Is it possible to tune to other than DH speakers regarding the Maria ?
Why would anybody pay what these speaker cost. You can build 4 open baffle woofers for less than what they want for one. I use 4 15 inch woofer for my system. The cost is less than $500.00. You don't need an expensive woofer to build an excellent OB bass system.
These sound best in my room placed where I place mostly all speakers. They are approx 3-4 ft from the wall and 7 ft apart. I sit 7 ft from them. Slight toe in.
What happens to the 180 degree out of phase energy coming out of the back of this 12” drivers? Also the unit you are passing the low frequency signal through is a cross over, all be it only a low pass circuit. Did you try them with alternative sub?
Kinda. These are full range drivers which therefore provide a point source. Drivers which place the tweeter in the centre of a mid woofer, such as by Kef, Tannoy or Fyne also present a point source, but are very different beasts.
Lol, what an atrocious (Frankenstein) looking combination. The Oggy speakers are beautiful, and do indeed benefit from being paired with a subwoofer or two. But not like this. Separate subs allows them to maintain their clean aesthetic and still sound amazing. I know as I have the Oggys paired with a REL sub.
Open baffle = dipole behaviour, which means a (damageable) positioning for only one sweet spot in your listening room. Ok for lone warriors. But for two or more listeners ?
. The famous old Crown? (edit) Oh, you mean some $1500 Western Electrics. Aha, ya they'd be great too. Either way, those speakers actually have a distinctly nostalgic design.
sorry if I'm out of sync here: Am trying to understand if buying a Bluesound Node X is 'overkill' if its being plugged into a 3 grand integrated amp? Would I get to hear the sonic improvements the Node X provides over the regular Node?
Coaxial makes no sense when you have a single driver. Just call it a single driver. It's not technically "fullrange". EMS calls it "wideband". Just call it a single driver speaker. The rest is jargon.
@@user-xg6zz8qs3qThere are single driver speakers and coaxials. Coaxials are not single drivers and are 2 ways with the tweeter inside the voicecoil tube and these are true point source. Whereas some coaxials are not strictly point source cos the tweeter is 1.5" in front of the woofer (instead of inside the voicecoil tube). Like with most coaxial car speaker drivers.
Yeah it probably lacks soundstage because your listening on a iPhone buddy you at least need to be listening on a decent set of cans and not a craptastic iPhone speaker just saying and even then it still won't do these speakers justice
@@RafaelLopeztattoos Yeah the 1034 might sound better, but then your looking at 16 grand... Then you could say Wilson Audio, then 50 grand, when does it stop.
Btw everyone, this setup is nothing like bookshelf speakers and an active sub. Nothing at all like that. These are not subs nor are they powered. The OGY speakers are single driver and there are no crossovers in the system. The result is a wide open, 3D, big and welcoming immersive sound. Very organic and rich sounding as well.
@SteveHuffHifi, Can we use these OGY speakers with an active subwoofer and get close to this sound?
Hi,I'm a musician and been in many different studios,age 50 so now my ears are not what they use to be but I've always liked the sound of car speakers full range ones twin cones, with bass and treble..no crossover love em,my question is if the studios had these speakers, would the final production be better or is it the fact that these speakers enhance the mix they did, would it be the same if they mixed with that set up.
Another perfect hifi system of the day.
you are the only reviewer that talks about jazz as a source for evaluation......thanks!!
I am so happy that you’re reviewing these delightful loudspeakers. The driver manufacturer is just down the road from my home in southern France in BEZIERS. EMS SARL have been making very high efficiency drivers for decades. I have a pair in a home made setup. The very high sensitivity is a hallmark. Almost all of their production goes to export markets.
Not a cross over but it sends all below 125Hz to the base units so a low pass filter, a part of a cross over….
Welcome to the world of open baffle bass.
If I may comment on the aesthetics - the mounting design for the OGY's on top of the BOB's looks DIY. Furthermore, I don't see how the OGYs are vibrationally isolated. Additionally (yes, there is more), the open top appearance of the BOB looks awful (to my eyes).
Maybe the BOBs should come with a (separate) top panel with a stylish rig to place the OGYs and at the same time isolate them.
Love the felt pad on the wood dowel. Klassy!
The answer to your question is the Vandersteen 2C design. Create a rack. Mount 2 BOBs + one OGY on a rack. Wrap cloth around to create a cohesive block design
Yeah yeah best thing ever until you get the next one to review…
GR Reasearch do open baffle subwoofers with servo controlled drivers.
I'd love to see you review Linkwitz's OB speakers.
I built a similar system a few years ago, that I love.
Description sounds like my Linkwitz LX524s. Open baffle bass is different.
They aren't your speakers are way better.. 🙂
after the new year I will go to Closer Acoustics. It turns out I live very close.
I just read the review on your site. The way you describe the music is in line with everything I love about single-driver speakers and open baffle bass. When done well it's "just right." Hard to explain until you hear it. Natural, open, detailed but not etched, dynamic but not forced, haunting imaging, etc.... I'd like to see more about using the BOBBs with other speakers. I have a pair of Cube Nenuphar Jr. w/ 2 REL S510s. I love the RELs but I also love open baffle bass and these may be a great option to try.
I would like to hear your impressions of those bass units played with the Ambers speakers, and the Maria amplifier.
Interesting. So many options to consider these days. But with anything, I'm always concerned about servicing, repairs, warranties etc
I worked in a nightclub in the 80s. The speakers were just like these except the tops were hung by chains from the ceiling
I’m listening to a vintage Pilot mono tube amp right now, it’s a 6v6GTY tube type, has a few 12ax7s in the preamp stage. The speaker I’m using is a Pionner Pax 30, 15” coaxial driver. Running the combo OB and for vocals and jazz it’s pretty amazing. OB can sound amazing if set up correctly. Unfortunately it’s not always the best with SS gear. All of your gear looks cool tho.
Review some Linkwitz speakers please
Do you plan to review the new Clayton Shaw Caladan speakers?
It's funny how people are blown away by open baffles. They are literally the easiest & best speakers anyone can build themselves & the only thing to consider while building one is the baffle width & ofc xo points & types.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH SEÑOR !
They look more like Minions than Ogys 😂
That’s a fact.😂😂😂
I've really been intrigued by open baffle subs lately -- I think that's the way to go for far more realistic and nuanced acoustic bass. My ultimate setup would be KEF R3, coupled with something like the Bobs. (though maybe a slightly more affordable version) ..
It was the Same when I discovered the Triangle Magellan range and especially with the Cello 😊
Great review. Nice seeing the SpeakOn connectors being used. I’d love to hear a system with like that.
I love open baffle bass.
I will save a fortune and buy a pair of Fostex and use my own sub with it :P
Exactly what I was thinking
Interesting. The system looks awkward, though, to be honest. That said, it gives one ideas for diy open baffle.
Such a shame you cannot let us hear that feeling. I have owned my Lynn Nexusses for think 30 years now and for tharlt price have not heard better. Do have to say that a Tennitis conbined with my "Elder" ears might not find the finer details. Enjoyed your review. Thanks and much enjoyment ! 🤘🦁🤘
How do you time align the OGY with the BOB? Is that performed in the outboard module?
Really nice looking speakers!
What a lovely review...Great presentation
"Very unique looking" lol
Sounds like he's describing my modded bozak 305s that are now open baffle w added linaeum tweeters.
i love your listening room! great vid.
Design is personal taste of course but they look like disco speakers from the eighties
Wow those sound incredible!!!!
My man right here got baffled by the open-baffle speakers!
Never seen open baffle subs with wings that deep. Supposedly goes against design theory. Always exceptions to the rule. 😊
Hi very nice system indeed Have you tried the OGY also upside down maybe ? i mean with the full range driver closer to the upper woofer
I believe in keeping drivers as close as possible
Have you ever heard a klipschorn bass bin? Thats real bass my friend.
Yeah man!! Back in the 70s Tompall Glaser had a set of cornerhorns in his office(large room) at Glaser Brothers Recording Studio.
They had the normal NS10s and large JBL main monitors, but no mix left the studio without it being played on the Klipse first.
The studio also had a Real large plate reverb in a room in the basement. The had another room set up with a speaker and mic for Real room reverb. It was a very long room. This was the only studio I was ever in that had either of these! All the best, Sonny T
😅😅😅absoluter Blödsinn
I always liked full range speaker drivers as they that midrange magic. Wondering how the Heaven 11 Billy amp will sound with those smiley faces?
This is just my opinion. It might even sound better if you just have open FR drivers on the top. More reverb and more dipole sound. I would try it if I were you. Mine are the best speakers I ever heard and they are open 5" FR drivers on top of the boxed woofers (opposite configuration to yours). 😅 I have a filter on the open driver and it's highly modified with cutouts for extended highs, and to simulate a free edge cone. Unique! 😅
Bravo Poland 🇵🇱🤯🫡
Oh hey, I already was looking a bit at Ogy!
This whole thing looks like a cluster
Please post a block diagram as it is confusing. Dubious specs.
You just described my Q-Acoustic concept 500’s. lol
Since you’ve heard quite some high quality systems of all prices and usually wooden warm speakers I wonder what you’d think of the kef ls60 active towers. Have you ever heard them?
Is that high level connection from REL they are using. Love your content I’m loving the A10s you review ❤
They beat any conventional speakers with piano! 😮
Since I already have two Rel Subs I’m using with DIY open Baffles, couldn’t I just use them with the source point top speakers instead of the BOB’s ? It may not be the same match , but it would be more budget friendly.
Heck Yes, and I would prefer to have adjustable crossover for this , I Think 125h is too low for the 4 inch driver to get down to.
Just something I would prefer to have control of.
For some time I've been using a pair of SVS subs perched on Kallex cubes. This provides the base for a pair of Fostex P-1000 BH, back-loaded horn speakers that look a lot like the OGY. The performance of this setup is surprising, for under 2 grand, total.
My Rel Subs are on the carpeted floor because Rel says that the feet are the proper height to couple them to the floor. They also stack them together, so have you listened to your SVS subs on the floor to hear a difference.
The Maria was tuned specifically to the Ogy &
& Bob or You used it with the Amber settings? Is it possible to tune to other than DH speakers regarding the Maria ?
Why would anybody pay what these speaker cost. You can build 4 open baffle woofers for less than what they want for one. I use 4 15 inch woofer for my system. The cost is less than $500.00. You don't need an expensive woofer to build an excellent OB bass system.
What kind of 15s can you buy for that much?
how much are they?
Placement? Open baffle usually means 1 - 2m from the back wall. True for these? Looks as if
These sound best in my room placed where I place mostly all speakers. They are approx 3-4 ft from the wall and 7 ft apart. I sit 7 ft from them. Slight toe in.
Thanks for sharing
What happens to the 180 degree out of phase energy coming out of the back of this 12” drivers?
Also the unit you are passing the low frequency signal through is a cross over, all be it only a low pass circuit.
Did you try them with alternative sub?
Hello folks: the front and back wave don't come out the same. The 12" stand have two different size of wings on the side, does all the magic
1:35 I think you mean point source speaker, and not source point speaker. The latter is a trademarked speaker brand.
These are not point source speakers, which have a tweeter in the middle of the woofer.
Kinda. These are full range drivers which therefore provide a point source. Drivers which place the tweeter in the centre of a mid woofer, such as by Kef, Tannoy or Fyne also present a point source, but are very different beasts.
Lol, what an atrocious (Frankenstein) looking combination. The Oggy speakers are beautiful, and do indeed benefit from being paired with a subwoofer or two. But not like this. Separate subs allows them to maintain their clean aesthetic and still sound amazing. I know as I have the Oggys paired with a REL sub.
Those subs look like some DIY project. Just my option though.
They don’t look like they go together with the way the OGY’s just sit on top.
The bass stands look better.
Open baffle = dipole behaviour, which means a (damageable) positioning for only one sweet spot in your listening room. Ok for lone warriors. But for two or more listeners ?
Audiophile- singular
@@zaphod_beeblerox Amen.
No matter what anyone tells you, there is only one sweet spot for any system. My wife and I just take turns with the premier listening position.
Why doesn't anyone ever mention the music being played, intro or otherwise, in the description? ;)
@glennpoors8554
Intro Song - Malhana - DEX 1200
Closing Song - Casey Abram’s - Hound Dog
Merry Christmas
How much better are these than your old fleetwoods?
There really is no better at these levels - just different. Different vibe from the Fleetwoods which are more in line with horn speakers.
I wish you still had the Fleetwoods so you could wire-in those dipoles !
Get them back @stevehuffhifi
So just a taste open baffle bass. Might as well full dipole lrs+.
Open baffle SPEAKERS with AGD mono block AMP’s with tube based pre amp is the direction I’m going in.
Save a tree, build half a speaker !!!
Do you think the pass labs INT-25 would have enough power to drive the ogy's and 2 pairs of bobs ?
it has the ability to scale well while still retain its magic
maybe you should try them with a 300 B amp
. The famous old Crown? (edit) Oh, you mean some $1500 Western Electrics. Aha, ya they'd be great too. Either way, those speakers actually have a distinctly nostalgic design.
sorry if I'm out of sync here: Am trying to understand if buying a Bluesound Node X is 'overkill' if its being plugged into a 3 grand integrated amp? Would I get to hear the sonic improvements the Node X provides over the regular Node?
The answer is so murky. If your room has poor acoustics then the differences between DACs will be null.
No problem with the mid range vibrating off ?
Would have been nice to hear them
Why wasn’t this speaker on your best of 2023????
Because they came in at the very end of 2023, the last week. These may show up in my 2024 video.
@@HiFiHuff the "May" part does not instill confidence...
@@dannyalvens5418 something better "may" be discovered. The joy of being a reviewer.
Need to try different amps
So thesignal to OGYs in this setup is not filtered in any way? Do they not go lower than 125Hz?
That's not a bad price!!
Won't the demo sound exactly like my Bose speakers?
Yep, WAF is critical! 😄😄
I like your reviews but you keep confusing „coaxial speakers“ and „full range driver speakers“. Those are two very different concepts.🤓
Coaxial makes no sense when you have a single driver. Just call it a single driver. It's not technically "fullrange". EMS calls it "wideband". Just call it a single driver speaker. The rest is jargon.
@@user-xg6zz8qs3qThere are single driver speakers and coaxials. Coaxials are not single drivers and are 2 ways with the tweeter inside the voicecoil tube and these are true point source. Whereas some coaxials are not strictly point source cos the tweeter is 1.5" in front of the woofer (instead of inside the voicecoil tube). Like with most coaxial car speaker drivers.
Maybe review something that is actually obtainable in the US?
There are plenty of guys doing that!
open or infinite baffle is the way .... the only way
An infinite baffle is a sealed one, isn't it ?
Say my Dahlquist DQ10's
@@kgspollux6998 only if you consider infinity to be enclosed somehow.
@@Munakas-wq3gp I agree. My "cellar worker" is a SVS SB16-Ultra and it's making a really great job until 60Hz . . .
Interesting...
You never played the speakers!
I sure did, in its own video a week or so ago, as mentioned in this video :)
Link?@@HiFiHuff
Anthropomorphic!
This guy used to be credible…
Now he's incredible!
🥱
How do these compare to dynaudio heritage specials? @stevehuffhifi
Yes, am interested to know how they compare the Heritage Special too!
Watching this on my Iphone and honestly, I'm not that impressed with the soundstage of these speakers.
Haha!
😂😂😂use your imagination
Lol
Yeah it probably lacks soundstage because your listening on a iPhone buddy you at least need to be listening on a decent set of cans and not a craptastic iPhone speaker just saying and even then it still won't do these speakers justice
Turn on spatial sound and you be fine😂
i still choose Genelec in any day.
any model in particular?
@@RafaelLopeztattoos Yeah the 1034 might sound better, but then your looking at 16 grand... Then you could say Wilson Audio, then 50 grand, when does it stop.