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Thank you both for keeping my mind busy in these staycation times. I am myself considering becoming a seaperson and raiding my neighbors for ramen and toilet paper.
Once again......a utterly riveting and fascinating interview......bringing up so many facets to ponder and study.......damn this was awesome.......she was soooo deep and fascinating.......loved the sand pile analogy......can't wait to explore her work......your question about stuff translated that we lay people might be able to read/study/view is persistently on my mind.....any such sources you may know of and are willing to share would be exceedingly appreciated.Great work !Stay healthy and safe.......best to you and yours.......and THANK YOU soooooo much DR.HITCHCOCK!!!!
Stephen Michalski I’ll see what I can compile and I will comment back to you within a day. Thanks for taking the time to enjoy the video and for showing your support. It means the world to us here! Stay safe and healthy as well. Best wishes ~ Nick
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Thanks!Will try to become a patreon asap......bit broke right now on top of all this uncertainty but your channel and great work make life.......well......just that.......life.
Stephen Michalski hey just your views alone and verbal support is all that we need and it truly means the world to us. I’m right there with you on the uncertainty of the times. Stay safe and be well. You have our best wishes and thoughts. ~ Nick PS, people like you are why I do what I do.
@@louisehitchcock6438 I was so fascinated by your talk/analysis ....I just noticed I forgot to hit the like tab lol. Here I am again fascinated. Love your practical common sense approach to trying to determine the how's what's and why's and when's. Seems like so much was written and taken verbatim in the late 1800's/1900's as truth. Love your work. Downloaded most if not all from Academia. Absolutely AWESOME!!!
Wow, “Different Paradigms of Scholarship”, Dr, Hitchcock needs only three words, four counting the conjunction, to describe what most people would take 20 minutes, or a few paragraphs, to describe. She has genius-level verbal abilities. I could listen to her for hours, both her content and delivery are amazing.
Ladies and Gentlemen we present the Sea Peoples Mediterranean Tour! This shirt is for Bronze Age Collapse buffs and fans of the Bronze Age in general! Wear this shirt sporting your favorite history subject and make history matter! The Sea Peoples were a purported seafaring confederation that attacked ancient Egypt and other regions of the East Mediterranean prior to and during the Late Bronze Age collapse (1200-900 BCE). Get yours at the link below! teespring.com/sea-peoples-mediterranean-tour
Nice one. A little late in my feed but I like the relatable analysis by Dr Hitchcock. I gotta wonder did they know at the time there was a collapse (as we recognize an international crisis) as they lived through it?. Like a couple generations down the line were like: We really dodged an arrow there when all that trade collapsed and people started migrating to places they weren't wanted.... But then we discovered Iron!
I would like to know what evidence there is that the various Seas Peoples were confederated in any way. Couldn’t the records in Egypt reflect different waves of these pirates/invaders in unrelated, unaffiliated groups? The history recorded could be slightly compressed to represent a short time period when these attacks were common, the reign of a single Pharaoh, reciting his triumphs over the raiders during his reign, perhaps?. Is there any evidence to indicate they all came at once, or had interrelationships? Could they have been competing groups of pirates? Thanks, I’ve always been curious about this.
A lot of great info in here! I was as surprised as you were when she said Pirates usually numbered somewhere around 2000. My picture in my head was more like a Saxon pirate. But now that I think about it, Rome fell slowly. The late Bronze age collapse was sudden. The smaller actors numbering in the dozens wouldn't stand a chance against these centralized countries! Not until the collapse happened, then I would imagine the smaller groups could continue ranging around for a while. Wow. That's a game changer in my opinion. This "ship born culture" she talks about. And did you guys catch her comment about the Naue II sword? I would still imagine it was the iron ones that really changed things just due to their number compared to the more expensive bronze.
Carniez yeah, I wasn’t expecting that at all. I think in my head I imagined the typical brigands of the Middle Ages and the Early Modern Era. And yeah I agree. I really enjoyed this and I can’t wait for more!
It's interesting to me how everyone avoid Adriatic sea,even if it's so close connected with Mediteranean? Egyptians didn't know about Adriatic sea,famous Phoenicians mysteriously avoided it,Greeks didn't spread north,even they colonized part of Mediteranean,coast of Africa and Asia and Black sea.. In later Greek sources,Liburnians from Adriatic sea (first candidates for the Sea people) having a long tradition of shipbuilding and piracy,they learned Greeks and Romans how to build better and faster ships and become later main naval force for Romans.. Names are not reliable,but Peleset reminds me very much on Peljesac peninsula,Lukka/Lycia is also repeating in region of Lika,modern day Croatia.. In my opinion,ships for these attacks were build in the Adriatic sea and that iron weapons was made around Haalstat.. It is very possible that this was revenge for sacking Troy,and that Aeneas himself from Italy organized army from Trojan colonies in Sicily, Sardinia,Crete,and also from west and north of Europe.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liburna ...... Piracy was always tradition in Adriatic sea.. allthatsinteresting.com/queen-teuta-ancient-illyria ....... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liburnians ....... Even in later period.. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uskoks
Not to mention dozens of ancient megalithic ruins that are poorly researched,but some of them showing signs of destruction around 1200.bc.time of Trojan war.. Turkey and Anatolia was known to ancient Greeks as Asia,so it's logically to think that Asia minor was north of Greece,on modern day Balkan.. And that Homer's Troy was city/state somewhere in the Adriatic sea,not Aegean.. m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1535043883284043&id=690959027692537 Bosnia.. m.facebook.com/groups/8640515501?view=permalink&id=10157414117060502 Croatia again.. m.facebook.com/groups/8640515501?view=permalink&id=10157505047675502
The "what if the Bronze Age Collapse didn't happen" speculation is entertaining and maybe even useful. Yes, the human world would be different, but the way that it would be different shall forever be unknown. I enjoy "what if" speculations. What if three Roman Legions had not been destroyed in the Teutoburg Forest and the Germanic Tribes been incorporated into the Roman Empire?
I'd consider it as sort of valid and being partially answerable. It boils down to what extend civilisations as we know it did matter (then it delayed developement by a few centuries of the West and ME) or whether other factors (like domestication of plants and animals, recent human evolution or simply population density) were predominant.
Aaargh!!! Someone admitted seeing my point while being on Internet! Such improbable event is a sign that the end is nigh!!! ;) I'd rather say that validity of the question is based on which type of answer you'd consider as satisafactory. Assuming that contemporary understanding of quantum phisics and chaos theory is correct, then even without changing anything and just running an identical reality you should get each time in long run a diferent result. (yes, sort of correct answer and totally useless) A more useful type of answer would be if we hypothetically were able to compare infinite set of scenarios with or without some change, would there be some significant change in their distribution in the long run. Assuming that I correctly understand financial situation of the Roman Empire - it would not matter much. Key cash cow was Egypt, while such northern provinces tended to be a liability. (For sure Britain, I'm guessing the same would aplly to "Germany"). So sooner or later it would be dumped.
@@useodyseeorbitchute9450 Consider the amount of blood and piles of corpses that have been the result of wars between the Gallic and Germanic cultures -Germany and France. There is this RUclips ruclips.net/video/xM_jX22Iaas/видео.html. Starts with the point of view I expressed.
Well done and great information from a great scholar. For Australians, though, Melbourne is pronounced more like Mel- bin. I'm American but spent many weeks there visiting my daughter. Glad I found your channel as well. Be safe all and stay away from me. 😆
Around 39:54 - You are overlooking that the Vikings made attacks in the hundreds and thousands and annihilated local towns. I realize that was many many centuries later. But sea pirates might be a serious invasion.
There is speculation that the Sea Peoples may have been the Luwians. Pictures of the Sea People painted by the Egyptians have head dresses that are similar to those worn by warriors in paintings of Luwians in Western Anatolia.
Haha, explains why I couldn't find anything, uh! No, seriously though, it dawned on me the next day I'd written the wrong name...so I've been waiting for this......hello. 😂
In search of the trojan war is a great series, If you like that one ill also suggest his 'in the footsteps of alexander' (actually travels the route the macedonian army took and explores the peoples, cultures and geography of the places they encountered)
Myth has it that Aeneas fled the destruction of Troy, with enough warriors & ships that he was able to (eventually) invade the west shore of Italy, overcome the local peoples and founded Rome. Aeneas & his people were surely Luwians.
Definitely they were different skirmishes and interactions with other people but there was always the main core of the civilization in one specific region and definitely there wasn interaction/exchange through merchant. But the fresco you showed it wasn’t people of another tribe ,they were Creteins that used to paint their bodies with red paint for different ritual and entertainment purposes‼️
@@ashlarblocks Of course there was a cultural interaction between the Cretans and the Egyptians and the Asian Egyptians had nothing to do with the Arabist now Egyptian people or populous...... you go back to the first Pharos they were white blonde haired redheaded etc
Hello well they didn't collapse they evolved. Just like The Soviet Union. They are here with different names and the super yachts birth in Miami FL. Saludos
@@ashlarblocks why would you reference the Bible in regards to philistines and hebrews yet ignore the fact listed that abraham came from iraq? And the name Hebrew means man who crossed the river? You really can't pick and choose what's reliable information . Maybe the philistines didnt even exist with that approach
interesting but disputed. sure some Jews (children of Israel) went astray, but from Abraham we had/have an unbroken chain that has held fast to The One aka G-d of Abraham. Even at our low point 7k adult men aged 20-60 had not bowed the knee despite great pressure to conform to the foreign worship. Now Abraham learnt from Noach, Shem and Ever, starting by the end of The ice ages, which was about the start of the 1996 anno-mundi dispersion from Bavel. So PRIOR to the founding of Egypt in Egypt by Mizrayim b. Ham b. Noach. reference the YeC Moshe Emes series for Torah and science alignment volume III 'Bible Chronology, untying a knot' for the alignment of Torah testimony and ancient civ.
Brain Washington. As others have already asked what two Jews you mean. But disregarding that, I wonder if you think the history of Christian Europe should be studied & discussed by any historians whose own ancestry is European & Christian. Should historians who are of Native Am. ancestry write about & discuss the histories of Native peoples, or maybe the historians should be excluded from studying & speaking about only those specific native peoples from whom those historians are descended? Should historians be limited to discussing only those peoples or civilizations that each historian is not connected by birth or by culture? Most printed histories of Europe & the western world have been written by historians who were or are from western societies & who were or are predominantly of Christian backgrounds. Indeed, whatever a person's religion or ethnicity, anyone who was born & grew up in the western world after the Christianization of Europe (say, after 325 C.E., the official founding of the Roman Catholic Church) will undoubtedly have been brought up in the predominant culture & religion of that world, which is Christian. Regardless of one's own family being of Jewish or Islamic or other non-Christian background, the dominant culture of western Christianity is impressed on everyone living within that dominant culture, even after the later 20th c. exclusion of Christian prayer that was previously required of everyone who attended public schools. Although some changes have been made that make such indoctrination illegal in public schools, etc, in the US, the Christian viewpoints are still part of the dominant culture & have a major impact on everyone who is born into & grows up in that society. Although a historian might not be a Christian, if he/she is brought up in the US, he/she will learn to view the world with the predominantly Christian view. As someone of Native (Am. Indian) ancestry as well as some English & French ancestry (these Eur. ancestors arrived in the Virginias by1650, quite early compared to most), I attended public school for 11 yrs (legally required) in the 1950s into '60s & was thoroughly indoctrinated with the mainstream views of western Christianity. As someone who was brought up with a traditional view of the world common to many Southeastern Indian societies, those traditional views were at odds with the western Christian views taught at school. Those western Christian views were also taught, both directly & indirectly, by the dominant society. And those dominant views were constantly reinforced, as they still are even now, by the mainstream culture via not only the popular media but by society at large. For example, the traditional view of sex/gender that the dominant culture imposes on all who live within this society---that there are only two sexes, that these two sexes are opposites, that this is true of all peoples, past & present, as it is biologically determined. The vast majority of Native peoples (prior to the invasion from Europe) did not view the sexes/genders in this way; rather, most peoples recognized more than two sexes/genders (on average, 3-6 genders were recognized & were socially acceptable). Most peoples recognized a range of sexes/genders, not merely two opposites, & these "other" genders often held respected positions within their societies, were often given the task of acting as diplomats for their peoples. Indeed, during the early contact period with Europeans & then Euro-Americans, native peoples sent either women or "third or fourth gender" person's to meet with the newcomers. There are many instances on record of 17th into 18th c meetings such as this, meetings meant to decide matters re trading, etc, which greatly upset the Euro-Am.diplomats because they weren't used to meeting with women who held such positions. Many complaints & many sneers of these Euro-Americans are on record, demanding that only men be sent to represent the native peoples. The Cherokees were ridiculed for having women in positions equal to men, for having a society which was neither patriarchal or matriarchal but rather truly egalitarian, a true democracy in which all adults had a voice. Native history has mainly been written by those of Eur. & Euro-Am. descent, though that is starting to change, & much of our history has been very distorted. The histories written by Native authors isn't always the best, but some of what has been published finally reveals the realities rather than the myths told about us. For example, Vine Deloria, Jr, wrote widely on native religion, on native views, in books that reveal more about native cultures than any I can think of by non-natives in the last century. No non-native had so aptly & deeply analyzed the differences between native spiritual views & Christian views. But u think only outsiders should write about a culture or civilization. Somehow if a member of that particular culture writes about it, it's bound to be biased. Do you not think an outsider is bound to be biased? I'd love to see the history of western Christian civilization written by a historian who is not western or Christian, as what I've read by the insiders is quite biased.
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Thank you both for keeping my mind busy in these staycation times. I am myself considering becoming a seaperson and raiding my neighbors for ramen and toilet paper.
Our pleasure to help! And yes, make sure to bring your friends, hahaha!
This ranks as 2nd best of your vids that I have enjoyed - thanks
Thanks!
Once again......a utterly riveting and fascinating interview......bringing up so many facets to ponder and study.......damn this was awesome.......she was soooo deep and fascinating.......loved the sand pile analogy......can't wait to explore her work......your question about stuff translated that we lay people might be able to read/study/view is persistently on my mind.....any such sources you may know of and are willing to share would be exceedingly appreciated.Great work !Stay healthy and safe.......best to you and yours.......and THANK YOU soooooo much DR.HITCHCOCK!!!!
Stephen Michalski I’ll see what I can compile and I will comment back to you within a day. Thanks for taking the time to enjoy the video and for showing your support. It means the world to us here! Stay safe and healthy as well.
Best wishes ~ Nick
@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 Thanks!Will try to become a patreon asap......bit broke right now on top of all this uncertainty but your channel and great work make life.......well......just that.......life.
Stephen Michalski hey just your views alone and verbal support is all that we need and it truly means the world to us. I’m right there with you on the uncertainty of the times. Stay safe and be well. You have our best wishes and thoughts. ~ Nick
PS, people like you are why I do what I do.
Thanks, you're very kind!
@@louisehitchcock6438 I was so fascinated by your talk/analysis ....I just noticed I forgot to hit the like tab lol. Here I am again fascinated. Love your practical common sense approach to trying to determine the how's what's and why's and when's. Seems like so much was written and taken verbatim in the late 1800's/1900's as truth. Love your work. Downloaded most if not all from Academia. Absolutely AWESOME!!!
Damn this lady is brilliant she gave the best world status description at the time of bronze age collapse in like 120 seconds EVER
An excellent talk. Thank you. Hope to see more of Dr. Hitchcock in future.
Wow, “Different Paradigms of Scholarship”, Dr, Hitchcock needs only three words, four counting the conjunction, to describe what most people would take 20 minutes, or a few paragraphs, to describe. She has genius-level verbal abilities. I could listen to her for hours, both her content and delivery are amazing.
Ladies and Gentlemen we present the Sea Peoples Mediterranean Tour! This shirt is for Bronze Age Collapse buffs and fans of the Bronze Age in general!
Wear this shirt sporting your favorite history subject and make history matter!
The Sea Peoples were a purported seafaring confederation that attacked ancient Egypt and other regions of the East Mediterranean prior to and during the Late Bronze Age collapse (1200-900 BCE).
Get yours at the link below!
teespring.com/sea-peoples-mediterranean-tour
Used to love the band Robyn Hitchcock and the Egyptians? Shoutout balloon Man!
Nice one. A little late in my feed but I like the relatable analysis by Dr Hitchcock. I gotta wonder did they know at the time there was a collapse (as we recognize an international crisis) as they lived through it?. Like a couple generations down the line were like: We really dodged an arrow there when all that trade collapsed and people started migrating to places they weren't wanted.... But then we discovered Iron!
Love sea people videos
Serious same
I would like to know what evidence there is that the various Seas Peoples were confederated in any way. Couldn’t the records in Egypt reflect different waves of these pirates/invaders in unrelated, unaffiliated groups? The history recorded could be slightly compressed to represent a short time period when these attacks were common, the reign of a single Pharaoh, reciting his triumphs over the raiders during his reign, perhaps?. Is there any evidence to indicate they all came at once, or had interrelationships? Could they have been competing groups of pirates? Thanks, I’ve always been curious about this.
A lot of great info in here! I was as surprised as you were when she said Pirates usually numbered somewhere around 2000. My picture in my head was more like a Saxon pirate. But now that I think about it, Rome fell slowly. The late Bronze age collapse was sudden. The smaller actors numbering in the dozens wouldn't stand a chance against these centralized countries! Not until the collapse happened, then I would imagine the smaller groups could continue ranging around for a while. Wow. That's a game changer in my opinion. This "ship born culture" she talks about. And did you guys catch her comment about the Naue II sword? I would still imagine it was the iron ones that really changed things just due to their number compared to the more expensive bronze.
Carniez yeah, I wasn’t expecting that at all. I think in my head I imagined the typical brigands of the Middle Ages and the Early Modern Era. And yeah I agree. I really enjoyed this and I can’t wait for more!
Hey Nick, the Bronze Age collapse is my favorite ancient subject, thanks for this. Are we speeding towards another one or is it just my imagination? 🙂
Like always, awesome video and awesome interview.
It's interesting to me how everyone avoid Adriatic sea,even if it's so close connected with Mediteranean?
Egyptians didn't know about Adriatic sea,famous Phoenicians mysteriously avoided it,Greeks didn't spread north,even they colonized part of Mediteranean,coast of Africa and Asia and Black sea..
In later Greek sources,Liburnians from Adriatic sea (first candidates for the Sea people) having a long tradition of shipbuilding and piracy,they learned Greeks and Romans how to build better and faster ships and become later main naval force for Romans..
Names are not reliable,but Peleset reminds me very much on Peljesac peninsula,Lukka/Lycia is also repeating in region of Lika,modern day Croatia..
In my opinion,ships for these attacks were build in the Adriatic sea and that iron weapons was made around Haalstat..
It is very possible that this was revenge for sacking Troy,and that Aeneas himself from Italy organized army from Trojan colonies in Sicily, Sardinia,Crete,and also from west and north of Europe..
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liburna
......
Piracy was always tradition in Adriatic sea..
allthatsinteresting.com/queen-teuta-ancient-illyria
.......
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liburnians
.......
Even in later period..
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uskoks
Not to mention dozens of ancient megalithic ruins that are poorly researched,but some of them showing signs of destruction around 1200.bc.time of Trojan war..
Turkey and Anatolia was known to ancient Greeks as Asia,so it's logically to think that Asia minor was north of Greece,on modern day Balkan..
And that Homer's Troy was city/state somewhere in the Adriatic sea,not Aegean..
m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1535043883284043&id=690959027692537
Bosnia..
m.facebook.com/groups/8640515501?view=permalink&id=10157414117060502
Croatia again..
m.facebook.com/groups/8640515501?view=permalink&id=10157505047675502
Excellent points! I had not considered them. Your supposition concerning Aeneas was outstanding. Who knows? Maybe you're right!
The "what if the Bronze Age Collapse didn't happen" speculation is entertaining and maybe even useful. Yes, the human world would be different, but the way that it would be different shall forever be unknown. I enjoy "what if" speculations. What if three Roman Legions had not been destroyed in the Teutoburg Forest and the Germanic Tribes been incorporated into the Roman Empire?
I'd consider it as sort of valid and being partially answerable. It boils down to what extend civilisations as we know it did matter (then it delayed developement by a few centuries of the West and ME) or whether other factors (like domestication of plants and animals, recent human evolution or simply population density) were predominant.
@@useodyseeorbitchute9450 I'll edit the word "valid." Thanks for your response.
Aaargh!!! Someone admitted seeing my point while being on Internet! Such improbable event is a sign that the end is nigh!!! ;)
I'd rather say that validity of the question is based on which type of answer you'd consider as satisafactory. Assuming that contemporary understanding of quantum phisics and chaos theory is correct, then even without changing anything and just running an identical reality you should get each time in long run a diferent result. (yes, sort of correct answer and totally useless)
A more useful type of answer would be if we hypothetically were able to compare infinite set of scenarios with or without some change, would there be some significant change in their distribution in the long run.
Assuming that I correctly understand financial situation of the Roman Empire - it would not matter much. Key cash cow was Egypt, while such northern provinces tended to be a liability. (For sure Britain, I'm guessing the same would aplly to "Germany"). So sooner or later it would be dumped.
@@useodyseeorbitchute9450 Consider the amount of blood and piles of corpses that have been the result of wars between the Gallic and Germanic cultures -Germany and France. There is this RUclips ruclips.net/video/xM_jX22Iaas/видео.html. Starts with the point of view I expressed.
I don’t ask the questions
Well done and great information from a great scholar. For Australians, though, Melbourne is pronounced more like Mel- bin. I'm American but spent many weeks there visiting my daughter. Glad I found your channel as well. Be safe all and stay away from me. 😆
As an Australian, I can confirm that Tim’s pronunciation of Melbourne.is correct! 🙂
I'm from Los Angeles
The most recent genetic analysis of Philistine remains indicates that they were of Aegean origin, but quickly began to mix with the locals.
The bronze age collapse seems a time of disruptive supply line. How can an economy based on exchange may survive in this kind of environment ?
True
Around 39:54 - You are overlooking that the Vikings made attacks in the hundreds and thousands and annihilated local towns. I realize that was many many centuries later. But sea pirates might be a serious invasion.
Very interesting. Thanks
There is speculation that the Sea Peoples may have been the Luwians. Pictures of the Sea People painted by the Egyptians have head dresses that are similar to those worn by warriors in paintings of Luwians in Western Anatolia.
There were many tribes
Interesting conversation
"David Wood"...yes..."In Search of the Tojan War"...go on... (And so it goes with these videos - me - on to Amazon!) 😜
"Michael"
Haha, explains why I couldn't find anything, uh! No, seriously though, it dawned on me the next day I'd written the wrong name...so I've been waiting for this......hello. 😂
In search of the trojan war is a great series, If you like that one ill also suggest his 'in the footsteps of alexander' (actually travels the route the macedonian army took and explores the peoples, cultures and geography of the places they encountered)
Thanks, I'll make sure to check it out. I've already bought a copy of In Search of the Trojan War, sitting there ready to be read...lol.
Well, I suppose I expected a film lesson, but this would done just fine.
Myth has it that Aeneas fled the destruction of Troy, with enough warriors & ships that he was able to (eventually) invade the west shore of Italy, overcome the local peoples and founded Rome. Aeneas & his people were surely Luwians.
Myth is later. It’s not history
Whoa! You’re in Oklahoma??! I am too!
Same lol
I was puzzled by the end of the video because it suggests the bronze age was an age of stagnation.
Not at all, though some people equate stability with stagnation
I think stability is a nicer term
Sea people suddenly relevant
Always
Definitely they were different skirmishes and interactions with other people but there was always the main core of the civilization in one specific region and definitely there wasn interaction/exchange through merchant.
But the fresco you showed it wasn’t people of another tribe ,they were Creteins that used to paint their bodies with red paint for different ritual and entertainment purposes‼️
Males had red skin, females white. This convention was borrowed from Egyptian art. I assume you meant Cretans?
@@ashlarblocks
Of course there was a cultural interaction between the Cretans and the Egyptians and the Asian Egyptians had nothing to do with the Arabist now Egyptian people or populous...... you go back to the first Pharos they were white blonde haired redheaded etc
Hello well they didn't collapse they evolved. Just like The Soviet Union. They are here with different names and the super yachts birth in Miami FL. Saludos
Yang gang 2020.
No viruses caused it?
mithra73 No dude it was an orange man. :).
Different pod. See my January article in Ancient History Magazine
Sometimes, I feel like this channel has only one subject.
rafaelfcf the Bronze Age?
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The unnecessary comment dismissing the Bible as relationship between God and man is sad. Especially since the Bible is what introduced you to history.
They go hand in hand. Oldest records on earth tend to be spiritual and strikingly familiar to each other.
Actually, it didn't introduce me to history, sorry
Actually Thucydides introduced me to history
@@ashlarblocks why would you reference the Bible in regards to philistines and hebrews yet ignore the fact listed that abraham came from iraq? And the name Hebrew means man who crossed the river? You really can't pick and choose what's reliable information . Maybe the philistines didnt even exist with that approach
@@deborahdean8867 My specialty is the Aegean so I try to restrict my comments on things outside my expertise
If the bible is used as a reference, then why wouldnt they believe the hebrews came from abraham , Iraq?
🤷Will anybody ever admit Ancient Hebrews caused the Late Bronze Age Collapse as much as Famine and the Sea People?
No evidence for that whatsoever.
How?
interesting but disputed.
sure some Jews (children of Israel) went astray, but from Abraham we had/have an unbroken chain that has held fast to The One aka G-d of Abraham. Even at our low point 7k adult men aged 20-60 had not bowed the knee despite great pressure to conform to the foreign worship.
Now Abraham learnt from Noach, Shem and Ever, starting by the end of The ice ages, which was about the start of the 1996 anno-mundi dispersion from Bavel. So PRIOR to the founding of Egypt in Egypt by Mizrayim b. Ham b. Noach.
reference the YeC Moshe Emes series for Torah and science alignment volume III 'Bible Chronology, untying a knot' for the alignment of Torah testimony and ancient civ.
i dont think two jews should talk about the existence of ancient israel, shill much?
Correct. You do not think.
Where are the 2 Jews
Brain Washington. As others have already asked what two Jews you mean. But disregarding that, I wonder if you think the history of Christian Europe should be studied & discussed by any historians whose own ancestry is European & Christian. Should historians who are of Native Am. ancestry write about & discuss the histories of Native peoples, or maybe the historians should be excluded from studying & speaking about only those specific native peoples from whom those historians are descended?
Should historians be limited to discussing only those peoples or civilizations that each historian is not connected by birth or by culture?
Most printed histories of Europe & the western world have been written by historians who were or are from western societies & who were or are predominantly of Christian backgrounds. Indeed, whatever a person's religion or ethnicity, anyone who was born & grew up in the western world after the Christianization of Europe (say, after 325 C.E., the official founding of the Roman Catholic Church) will undoubtedly have been brought up in the predominant culture & religion of that world, which is Christian. Regardless of one's own family being of Jewish or Islamic or other non-Christian background, the dominant culture of western Christianity is impressed on everyone living within that dominant culture, even after the later 20th c. exclusion of Christian prayer that was previously required of everyone who attended public schools. Although some changes have been made that make such indoctrination illegal in public schools, etc, in the US, the Christian viewpoints are still part of the dominant culture & have a major impact on everyone who is born into & grows up in that society.
Although a historian might not be a Christian, if he/she is brought up in the US, he/she will learn to view the world with the predominantly Christian view. As someone of Native (Am. Indian) ancestry as well as some English & French ancestry (these Eur. ancestors arrived in the Virginias by1650, quite early compared to most), I attended public school for 11 yrs (legally required) in the 1950s into '60s & was thoroughly indoctrinated with the mainstream views of western Christianity. As someone who was brought up with a traditional view of the world common to many Southeastern Indian societies, those traditional views were at odds with the western Christian views taught at school. Those western Christian views were also taught, both directly & indirectly, by the dominant society. And those dominant views were constantly reinforced, as they still are even now, by the mainstream culture via not only the popular media but by society at large. For example, the traditional view of sex/gender that the dominant culture imposes on all who live within this society---that there are only two sexes, that these two sexes are opposites, that this is true of all peoples, past & present, as it is biologically determined. The vast majority of Native peoples (prior to the invasion from Europe) did not view the sexes/genders in this way; rather, most peoples recognized more than two sexes/genders (on average, 3-6 genders were recognized & were socially acceptable). Most peoples recognized a range of sexes/genders, not merely two opposites, & these "other" genders often held respected positions within their societies, were often given the task of acting as diplomats for their peoples. Indeed, during the early contact period with Europeans & then Euro-Americans, native peoples sent either women or "third or fourth gender" person's to meet with the newcomers. There are many instances on record of 17th into 18th c meetings such as this, meetings meant to decide matters re trading, etc, which greatly upset the Euro-Am.diplomats because they weren't used to meeting with women who held such positions. Many complaints & many sneers of these Euro-Americans are on record, demanding that only men be sent to represent the native peoples. The Cherokees were ridiculed for having women in positions equal to men, for having a society which was neither patriarchal or matriarchal but rather truly egalitarian, a true democracy in which all adults had a voice.
Native history has mainly been written by those of Eur. & Euro-Am. descent, though that is starting to change, & much of our history has been very distorted. The histories written by Native authors isn't always the best, but some of what has been published finally reveals the realities rather than the myths told about us. For example, Vine Deloria, Jr, wrote widely on native religion, on native views, in books that reveal more about native cultures than any I can think of by non-natives in the last century. No non-native had so aptly & deeply analyzed the differences between native spiritual views & Christian views.
But u think only outsiders should write about a culture or civilization. Somehow if a member of that particular culture writes about it, it's bound to be biased. Do you not think an outsider is bound to be biased?
I'd love to see the history of western Christian civilization written by a historian who is not western or Christian, as what I've read by the insiders is quite biased.