Orange Matamp Vs Marshall - ORST Vs Plexi
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- Опубликовано: 12 фев 2017
- 1970 Orange Matamp ORST Vs 1968 Marshall JMP 50W Lead. The 1970 Orange 4x12 has G12H30 55Hz Celestion Pulsonic Greenbacks and the 1969 Marshall 4x12 model 1935A has G12M25 55Hz Celestion Pulsonic Greenbacks. Guitars 2008 Gibson Les Paul 1959 Standard Reissue and 1963 Fender Stratocaster. Close mic MD421, room mic AKG C414 omni
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When I heard that first Marshall clip I thought "Surely nothing can beat that!". And I was right.
The nastiness he digs up with the Les Paul and Orange combo is... unsettling.
I love what Ade did creating the modern Orange tone but I wish they’d at least offer the OR models again. I had an OR50 and even though it wasn’t close to an OR80, it still had the thick warm clean tones with plenty of fuzzy gain on tap. Only tube amp I could play with the master below 2 and still enjoy.
I bet they would sound massive layered together. The Marshall handling the lows and highs, and Orange filling in the mids.
Orange sounds so vintage but the plexi has a incredible roar to it!
+Skylar Coy Thanks Skylar!
Agreed! That Marshall has a ton of kerrang!
The Orange sounds incredible ! :D
+Delta Flows Thanks, I agree
@@JohanSegeborn Hey Johan How does the Matamp ORST compare to a 72 OR120 or later? Curious as this one on your video sounds pretty thick in the low mids and warm. I'm wondering if the Oranges after 72 are a lil different moving just a lil closer to the Marshall sound but just barely and still sounding like this ORST but maybe not quite as thick or loose. Maybe a lil tighter on the 72 and later? Do you know?
Wow!!!!I’ve never heard one of those before
These amps are great, but Johan standing at that window is just hilarious.
Ah man, you rule.
Hahaha! ;-)
I think the orange amp lives in a very lonely place in the spectrum of amp tone.
That is an excellent way to put that!
I am totally curious about what difference that the cabinets make. The Heavy magnet 30 watt should be warmer and tighter than the Medium magnet 25 watt speaker, according to what I have read, and the wooden boxes are quite different as I recall from carrying them around. I think I may need an Orange in the array. 🤔
They say it's lonely at the top 😅
@@auntjenifer7774 it certainly is...
I watch this videos with headphones... my wife said that I'm gonna get deaf. I told her I rather go blind... for a graphic designer this is odd. LOL
I bet the Plexi and the Orange mixed together would just be top shelf! always awesome! work Johan!
Nice orange grit and grind. A guitarist's dream, but an engineer's nightmare!
+Alistair Kinnear Hahaha ;-)
Why?
The Marshall sounds like it would be more versatile but the orange has a lot of unique character, a studio secret weapon
Those both sound amazing
Getting real Paul Kossoff vibes from the Orange. Nice bluesy and not overly distorted sound with the Les Paul. Nice video Johan, cheers!
+Tuomas Raatikainen Cheers! :-)
Tuomas Raatikainen agreed, sounds like walk in my shadow. By the way my 8x great grandfather was named Raatikainen!
Lars Sig you're joking! It's quite a rare name here in Finland which makes this all the more amazing :D
I really dig that orange, keep the videos coming Johan, I love seeing new videos from you pop up. Cheers!
+XMatthewXmassacreX Thanks my friend! Cheers
Great Fun thanks ever so... I just got a Yamaha thr and this video is a great way to help me nail a couple of my fave tones - the Plexi and the Matamp. Both have very distinctive elements of sound and this has been so very helpful - cheers guys !!
Ooh my, that JMP/cab/LP sounds soooo good. It that sound I hear in my head when I think of great rock tone :-). Thanks.
+Thomas Kjærgaard Thanks Thomas :-)
I understand how some people would rather have the Orange but I'd much rather have the Plexi.
Great playing, I love the "Just shut up and play" style of the vids. My taste is definitely more Marshall than Orange but each has their place. The Les Paul through that thing is epic.
+TheVimFuego Thanks, glad to hear it! :-)
3:23
Yup put in the car I'm going home with it.
Legit Johan I was like GOD DAMN
+L2GG Thanks, glad to hear it!
i love both, cant decide. Love the brightness and clarity from Marshall, but I also love the grit and low mids from Orange.
I've got that Orange Matamp and Cab. I also have a Marshall Haze 15 head. Both all tube and great for different reasons.
I prefer the Marshall Les Paul combination. I can definitely hear the sound of each amp on many of the old records we love so much. Both amps have that classic rock sound, cheers on a great education of what the classics sound like. Btw, awesome musicianship from both players.
It's fun/interesting, how the visual affects perception. I loved the Marshall to start. When the Orange came in, i didn't like it at all-in comparison to the Marshall. When i started working in another window, and couldn't see which amp was playing, i really liked a certain tone/riff, and turned back and it was the Orange. Still prefer the Marshall, but without the visual reference, it's easier to hear how one amp can be different without being 'inferior.'
Good stuff, as always, sir. You continue to rock.
+CentaurusRelax314 Thanks :-) yeah and the order in which the amps and riffs are played determines very much how the sound.
I do this other window thing too on purpose and also mix up the order without trying to see then when I know which one I like the sound of I then look to find out. I preferred the Orange and was surprised by a lot of dumb comments. Some said the Orange sounded thin. lol Wow just wow. I wanted to like the Marshall more too at the beginning but ended up honestly liking the Orange more. So classic.
I just love your shootouts. Both these amps are beautiful and I'd consider myself lucky to have either one. But I go with the Orange. I found the Mashall to be a tad clearer, but the Orange felt more alive to me...you can almost hear more overtones and it sounds like a more unhinged quality. Cheers from Canada.
+ferox965 Glad to hear it! Cheers from Gothenburg Sweden!
Yeah, the orange had tons of attitude which I love, and also seems more mid focused, which I like
The classic Les Paul-Marshall-Combo simply wins this one for me - there are just some killer tones. cheerz \\m//
+JacknCocaine Cheers! :-)
Yessa.. I had 2 ORST's already in my hands.. a friend has also a ORST 200! Beat Club galore with these.
+MOUNTAINWITCHTV Cheers! :-)
MOUNTAINWITCHTV How would you describe the difference between the Matamp Orange ORST and 72 pics only graphic OR120? I'm very curious as I have a 72 OR120. Also I bet the ORST 200 is a beast ! Curious to how that one sounds too. We need video's! haha!
@@HiHello-ku1fl not a great video but heres my ormat 200 before the power transformer shit the bed ruclips.net/video/9czu5JAa-R0/видео.html
Never realized Orange had such a long history. .. just didn't see the older Oranges in the states... nice.
+Tricko thanks :-)
Another great comparison video as usual. Really like both the LP and Strat tones this time around. Usually far prefer the LP over the Strat, but not this time. Would still love to see the different heads through the same cab to see how that affects the overall tone. Both are stellar sounding vintage rigs.
+jcoulter43 Thanks!
That Strat-Orange combo kicks so much ass!
the orange sounds amazing, now I really want one
+Ben Tyreman Thanks, it does indeed!
You have a place to play it on that volume level? And exactly that cab. Other amps are not gonna the same)
I used a MATAMP to record some Hendrix tunes a couple of months ago. Wah Wah, BB Pre-Amp and a Fuzz Face Mini. I could never sound like Hendrix, but the sound was fantastic. I was able to use the guitar's volume to great effect. Loved it.
+hachewie Cool amp indeed
When you locked yourself out, but still record that intro! My man haha
Love them both!
+kroszo thanks!
Would be interesting to hear the JMP through the Orange Cab and the ORST through the Marshall Cab as a comparison.
+Richard Hollis Yeah the cabs/speakers accounts for most of the difference.
The marshall just sounds like something ive heard a million times, the orange sounds cool, sounds like u can get alot cooler sounds from the orange, and better control over the sound
Many will call out the inferior phase inverter of the Ormat but that and mat mathias approach to output transformer specification are the real magic in it sounding the way it does. It's a derivative of the tweed or Princeton overdrive only with more eq and that is a wonderful thing. To me the answer is an a/B box. Marshall for rhythm and quiet clear parts where the mid scoop of the tone stack and negative feedback crest open space, and orange for searing solid fuzz like a cactus lead and thick plummy textures. Everything covered. All the best mate
+PoJoWo Yeah that covers a lot of ground. Cheers my friend!
That Strat and the Marshall. To my ears. But the Orange has a feral quality I really like. Seems to go better with the Marshall or maybe a Tele deluxe with 2 humbuckers .
That Orange feedback? OH MY GOD!
+Lukáš Rybníček Cheers :-)
I could never pick one over the other. They both sound biblical !
Lets Go !!!
+Damon B Thanks Damon :-)
nice job boys!
3:24 Awesome !!
+Max Max Thanks! :-)
nothing and I mean nothing beats a Marshall Plexi and Greenback speakers for hard rock music!
+Joe Amato Indeed, Cheers!
Cool Johan........
If you ever get a chance to do the vintage Orange/Matamp vs Marshall comparison again please use the same cabinet for both heads. This video does a great job (as usual for all your videos) comparing the two, but while the speakers are similar I think it would be very insightful to hear them into the same exact cabinet to isolate the differences in the amp tone. Vintage Orange/Matamp vs Marshall is one of the most interesting yin/yang type comparisons in the amp world.
Thanks! Yeah the cabs makes as much or more difference than the amps. I'll keep it in mind! Cheers Johan
Grymt, den där Orangen låter för jäkla gött och eget! =)
marshall sound so classic, but the orange is so vintage.
orange for me please.
+Kaiser Bach I have never played an amp that is fuzzy but still firm and punchy like that
Biggest difference here are the cabs and speakers being mic’d.
That Orange can sound exactly like that Marshall through the same cab.
2:20 MAN!! What a sound! Gotta love the openness of single coils! That's why you gotta have 2 guitars. No excuses!
3:55 EVEN BETTER!
Luka S 5:55
+Luka S Thanks :-)
Luka S Only 2 Guitars ! Never I say!
I'm good with a Les Paul. Paul Kossoff was a great example of how you can utilize one guitar to its fullest extent and not need a second (although I have a dozen different Fenders and Gibsons)
Would be very helpful to hear a comparison of the Matamp and a 72 OR120 "pics only" graphic head when Orange supposedly started making heir own amps. I know Adrian Emsley the main designer at Prange today has stated his Holy Grail Orange tone is the 72 "pics only" circuit. Some say they like the Matamp more. I have never seen a comparison. If you ever have the opportunity to borrow some amps and put that together it would be very helpful to Orange amp fans. If anyone could do it it would be you Johan. lol Thanks man! Hey even a comparison to your OR80 would be great as that thing sounds amazing.
hi sereg
orange look cooll..but the marshall tone is ommgggg...so good
+eshar waiss Thanks :-)
I prefer the Marshall but that Orange is absolutely incredible. Far less low end but it has a trebly growl that the Marshall doesn't have. It'd be nice to have them both!
+Dagger 323 Thanks!
I’m a Fender guy because I like the cleans that you can get with 6L6’s.
I do love that Marshall sound though and prefer it to the Orange.
I'm surprised to see a legit OrMat demoed. The tone knobs on those things are wild; the treble/bass knobs contour the rest of the tone, and the Depth knob makes the lower mids explode. At lower gain, there's a really interesting range of tones, but when you crank it like that, it just spits hot fire.
Any amp demoed against a Marshall has the problem of expectations; hearing a Marshall, I think "that's what a British guitar amp should sound like," but that's also because over a half century of so many titans using the same relative tonal base. Love a Matamp, love a Hiwatt, appreciate the Marshall always.
I have both Orange OR120 and Marshall Plexi 1959 but I actually think I prefer the Orange.
Both of the amplifiers are great to me. Marshall has its strengths and I would probably choose the Plexi, but Orange Matamp is great to me too. Orange Matamp is cool how it sounds and especially cool how it looks like.
Once again a great comparison.The Marshall is my pick Johan.
+rendell Gordon Thanks Rendell!
both together.......... let's go!
+Nicholas Dentato :-)
Both amps sound great in their own way,
And will both do justice to different style's of music.
(But to me i still think nothing will beat the sound of a Marshall plexi, even tho i would love to own both)
I vote Orange with the strat is so perfect. Surprised thats not a common combo. With the LP, the Orange midrange may be too much even for me(I always have my mid on max and my bass and treble on zero-dont hate me, my drummer is ungodly loud, and it sounds very classic rock I think) .
Great video
Huge difference. Really prefer the Marshall. Don't recall for sure, but I think this is the first time I didn't care for one of the amps/tones...and I usually like Orange amps.
+Rick McCargar Thanks, I actually preferred the Orange
Orange in this clip has a fuller frequency spectrum, less punch and is a bit fuzzier sounding (sounds like a lot more gain on the settings too). I expected the ORST to be very clean sounding. In fact, it seems to me like my OR120 is cleaner than the ORST.
I would be very interested in a comparison between Marshall / Hiwtatt / ORST / OR80 through the same cab. In my experience both Hiwatt and Orange have a much cleaner clean and a much wider frequency response than the Marshall. But in this clip the Marshall seemed to be cleaner and p0unchier than the Orange.
Johann, thank you very much for this extremely rare occasion to hear a real ORST!
i am in love of that marshall😍😍
+Alejandro Flores Great amp indeed :-)
The Marshall's a bit like "Bam,in there"! the Orange is just "not so fast I got this"! both utterly cool, Thanks!
+sarcoptic Thanks :-)
Let’s face it. The orange will always stand out the most because the fucking thing is orange.
Like yeah Marshall’s are recognizable, but you pull up with an orange and people go “what the fuck is that?” Because there isn’t really many mainstream brands I can think of that just decided “fuck it, paint the damn thing orange, it’ll stand out the most”
hmm, would have been nice to compare them with flat EQ settings, since both cabinets run the same speakers, and wood must be similar...I also own a couple of plexis and I really prefer to run a large amount of bass on in, they just roar! by the way, nice channel you have!
+Lima Marco Thanks Lima! :-)
The description states that there are not the same speakers - 25w vs 30w pulsonic 55Hz speakers. It would be interesting to hear both through the same speakers.
That dude knows what to do with a strat
+Serge Savoie Indeed :-)
Orange with Strat is just amazing! The Les Paul was a bit too muddy for my ears but I'm sure that the ORMAT has the capibility to clean that up with the tone controls.
+andrás schóber Thanks András!
i’d love to hear the tone of the Orange with the depth set to it’s leftmost position. the further you turn it right, the less depth there is
100% agree. I wouldn't have set the Orange up the way they did here.
@@AnodyneHipsterInfluencer do you have one?
if so, how would you set it?
Geez that Orange sounds thick. I think the Strat sets it off better than the Les Paul which gets bogged down a bit. The Marshall ... well it's a Marshall and does the Marshall thing very nicely indeed. Great comparison, Johan.
Really liking these recent videos. Have you had an opportunity to play any of the old Laney Super group or LBO amps? Would love to see one in this context.
+Jeff Loucks Glad to hear it, Jeff. A Supergroup is coming up next week! Cheers Johan
Johan Segeborn Glad to hear !! I have a late 60's 60 watt LBO (pa model) Haven't played it in ages as I no longer have a place to open it up volume wise. Looking forward to your video !!
Please tell me that he plays at 5-24, 5-53, 6-15, 6-45. Often heard it on other videos, I love these riffs. Thank you so much for the video with the legendary amplifiers !!! Hello from Russia)
Oh man...that Marshall just has a soul. Such vocal-like quality that, in my opinion, the Orange is not delivering -great grit though. THANKS JOHAN!!
+Nick DeMayo Thanks Nick!
I have a Marshall cabinet & Artist head (3203) which I like very much, but I could use a Orange head & cabinet. Now which one ? Time will only tell.
Cool sounds!! Orange has a midrange character where the Plexi has more clarity and its more open to my opinion/wider frequency range.
+LIVEWIRE 240 Thanks!
The Orange sounds like a Sunkist orange.
Orange for the life
That plexi sounds absolutely killer! Johan have you tried out a blackstar artist 30? Im thinking of buying one and would love to know what you think of them.
+John Card Thanks John, haven't played those yet Im afraid.
Damn Johan, not everyday you can try out an old Matamp! Have you ever tried to push the clean channel of a Rockerverb? Kind of a similar sound, really no distortion in the pre-section untill you hit those valves and transformer. Keep up the good stuff!/Rasmus
+Lovzi Thanks man, I have a Rockerverb in a previous comparison here on the channel. Cheers Johan
In my opinion, Orange has more of a linear frequency response compared to Marshall. For that reason, I prefer to play Orange with G12H magnets, because greenbacks are just to mid rangy for my taste. I have a Ormat 4x12 cab, that had original prerola Greenbacks inside, but it didn't got the whole potencial of the amp. So I put in some really nice sounding Blackbacks inside and it is a huge difference. I'm not sure, but when Matamp was making this incredible amps, there were just G12M to put in. And you can easily blow those speakers with OR120. Probably also with Matamp. Nice video!
+vitja b Thanks :-) G12Hs were actually available from 66-67. Cheers Johan
Marshall for me. Every time.
+wammbarro Cheers!
Gonna go with the Matamp on this one, just by a hair, and thats all because I can hear it with a fuzz pedal infront of it
+KaisDragonBlade Cheers
The Orange sounds like an orange (if you'll pardon my synaesthesia).
The Marshall sounds like a giant bulldog that's just been told it's not going for walkies.
+fishy paw :-)
Didnt think a marshall would sound scooped to me, but compaired to the orange it does. Ill still take the marshall.sounds warmer. Owned a vintage orange od80 , sounded great, but the repair shop had i more than me. It got so hot tube sockets would burn and parts would unsolder them selfs from the heat. While my mates marshall kept on cranking.
I reckon the orange and hiwatt in stereo would sound killer
I guess this would be a good demonstration of Orange's "Foggy tone". :)
Hi johan
, you know CMB amps,? cmb (central musical barcelona) was a spanish copi of orange, and fender in ´70, is tube and other amps in solid state. I recommend you humbly simply for your curiosity, sotty for my english
Damn that Marshall sounds good. Just has a much warmer tone in my opinion.
Who is the other guy by the way? I like when you play the LP and he plays the strat. Good combination.
+jordan graf Glad to hear it! That's Simon Karlsson.
I just love the difference in the two, Orange was and is still is in a class of itself same as Marshall and Fender, they never tried to emulate the classic amps.Just got a Rockerverb and the first thing I realized is the spongy sweet sustain especially on single notes, is it perfect? nope, but it’s sweet. Marshall is unbeatable at what it does !
Gotta love them for what they do best
Had a TH30 and an OR50. The solo tones on both were sublime. RV/TH30 have similar clean channels and to me, they are the perfect clean channel. If Orange just made a single channel amp and just used that channel, I would still buy it. A compressor and clean boost and it’s blues heaven.
Marshall Plexi with les paul sounds as the King of amps, bas this orange with strat is really good.
I don't like that knocky 400 cycle prevalence on the orange but I like a lot of the other aspects of it...a little Carl Martin parametric could take care of that easily
+livingabovethe12th I actually liked that since 400 is a frequency that is difficult to use in other instruments it will pop through the mix low down in the frequencies, making it sound big.
I'm a Matamp fan myself, I play one. For me the amp has the girth a Marshall doesn't. Both amps sound great though.
+Brett Goodchild Thanks Brett!
The Orange sounded good had a cutting tone at times but went bassy a tad at times. The Marshall just grabbed up and took it home. I like it much more. although the Orange was pretty pretty pretty amazing.
+Mark B Thanks Mark
Cool video and greatly recorded guitar. Please make a timestamps to the point where you stop taking)
Both are great amps, and both are different. I'ld take the Orange
+Yann E. Thanks! :-)
Hi Johan, Angus uses a 100 watt SLP w/ a Master Volume & a Preamp Gain. If you had to guess, would you say this is a "JCM " style mod? Do you have an amp with this mod? Please let me know your thoughts on this. Cheers, Darren.
+Darren Brooks Hi, he has used a bunch of Marshalls troughout the years. Check out SoloDallas RUclips channel as well as web site. He knows EVERYTHING about AC/DC guitar tone. :-) From his work I've learned that on many records they used JMP 2203 or 2204 which has a master volume stock. Cheers Johan
Thanks Johan! Love your work, and looking forward to your website! D
If like fender, Marshall made a tweed version of the plexi, it would resemble the orange IMO
only orange i ever heard that i liked. they all sound muffled and held back to me. maybe they gotta be maxed. idk. awesome chops as usual buddy
+Tone Fingerz Thanks my friend, Yeah much of the bass needs to be rolled off
Marshall Plexi all the way this time :) I lOVE that Strat playing!!
+StealthParrot Thanks, Simon is an amazing player indeed!
Where do you get all these vintage amps?
Most of them belongs to friends actually
Johan grows them in his backyard
Orange sounds like sabbath plexi just roars though