Bravo! An excellent summary of this motive of Ecclesia and Synagogue! I had the honor of studying with Professor Alfred Radatz in Vienna, who was the first to publish the development of this motif. Beginning with equal status and almost partnership, to this stage of development of the turned away synagogue, to the end of the synagogue knocked down by an angel (beginning of the persecution of the Jews in the Rhineland) Please forgive my bad english!
One major distinction between Synagoga and Ecclesia in this depiction is that the former has no halo, a key indicator that the artist denies the figure the same degree of holiness as her Christian counterpart.
@@SethTheOrigin This is an interesting claim, and surprising to me. Can you elucidate how the synagogue is not held to be holy by Jews? At any rate, the ninth-century artist of the ivory panel under discussion here was most likely Christian, and therefore would be expected to have minimized if not altogether dismissed any perception of holiness accruing to Synagoga.
@@barrymoore4470 Under Christian doctrine, Churches are regarded as places were God's presence dwells, as well of course where the Eucharist - being the body and blood of God - is kept. This gives Churches a holiness, according to doctrine. Jews don't believe anything special about the Synagogue, God's presence does not dwell there anymore than any other building. Jew's still hold to their ancient belief in the original Temples of Jerusalem to be the only sites where God's presence dwells. Synagogues are places of worship, but not "holy" in a way that would imply that they may be closer to the divine.
@@SethTheOrigin Thank you for this clear and cogent explication. I assumed some distinction would be made between the vanished Temple of Jerusalem (uniquely holy in Jewish history) and the later synagogues which provide assembly for worship, but are never presumed to replace the one and only Temple.
@@SethTheOrigin Jews are the Jesus killers moloch money worshipping murderers, Liars, Hypocrites seed of satan Cain, Cannanites, mixed race Edomites, then Khazars.. mixed race parasites ... The synagogue of satan globalist communists money power corporate Rabbis lawyers Media etc..... Tic toc for the synagogue of satan money power tic toc
The staff of Synagoga's banner is depicted broken to symbolize her defeat by Ecclesia (Church). In this ivory, you'll see, the staff ends just under the grip of Synagoga's right hand. The banner can also be a broken lance or spear, which refers to the piercing of Christ's side during the Crucifixion (Synagogue's lance is unholy or tainted).
Indeed this early depiction has involved to full antisemitism by the middle ages. Catholicism is still kinda on that side, having no real theological answer to the rebirth of Judaism in Israel. Thankfully this is not the case with other Christian groups.
I think of Judaism as a spiritual older cousin of mine and love the way Ecclesia / Synagoga are portrayed. I also like the cartoon-y art style. It almost contradicts the deeply meaningful symbolism in the piece itself, but it's beautiful all the same.
Great analysis as usual. Was very interesting learning about Ecclesia and Synagogue. In my years studying early art history I had never encountered them. HOWEVER, what's happening with the REAL STARS of this piece? i.e. the Snake-dragon and bucket at the base of the cross. You gotta love how ravenous it looks for Jesus's feet. 🐍 🪣 #justiceforthesnakebuckettwo
Bravo! An excellent summary of this motive of Ecclesia and Synagogue! I had the honor of studying with Professor Alfred Radatz in Vienna, who was the first to publish the development of this motif. Beginning with equal status and almost partnership, to this stage of development of the turned away synagogue, to the end of the synagogue knocked down by an angel (beginning of the persecution of the Jews in the Rhineland)
Please forgive my bad english!
Thank you for the kind note and for reaching out. It is such a fascinating set of images.
One major distinction between Synagoga and Ecclesia in this depiction is that the former has no halo, a key indicator that the artist denies the figure the same degree of holiness as her Christian counterpart.
Jews don’t believe the synagogue to be holy
@@SethTheOrigin This is an interesting claim, and surprising to me. Can you elucidate how the synagogue is not held to be holy by Jews?
At any rate, the ninth-century artist of the ivory panel under discussion here was most likely Christian, and therefore would be expected to have minimized if not altogether dismissed any perception of holiness accruing to Synagoga.
@@barrymoore4470 Under Christian doctrine, Churches are regarded as places were God's presence dwells, as well of course where the Eucharist - being the body and blood of God - is kept. This gives Churches a holiness, according to doctrine.
Jews don't believe anything special about the Synagogue, God's presence does not dwell there anymore than any other building. Jew's still hold to their ancient belief in the original Temples of Jerusalem to be the only sites where God's presence dwells. Synagogues are places of worship, but not "holy" in a way that would imply that they may be closer to the divine.
@@SethTheOrigin Thank you for this clear and cogent explication. I assumed some distinction would be made between the vanished Temple of Jerusalem (uniquely holy in Jewish history) and the later synagogues which provide assembly for worship, but are never presumed to replace the one and only Temple.
@@SethTheOrigin Jews are the Jesus killers moloch money worshipping murderers, Liars, Hypocrites seed of satan Cain, Cannanites, mixed race Edomites, then Khazars.. mixed race parasites ... The synagogue of satan globalist communists money power corporate Rabbis lawyers Media etc..... Tic toc for the synagogue of satan money power tic toc
Thank you for another fascinating video.
I wonder about the significance of the banner held by Synagoga. Does it have a particular meaning?
The staff of Synagoga's banner is depicted broken to symbolize her defeat by Ecclesia (Church). In this ivory, you'll see, the staff ends just under the grip of Synagoga's right hand. The banner can also be a broken lance or spear, which refers to the piercing of Christ's side during the Crucifixion (Synagogue's lance is unholy or tainted).
Indeed this early depiction has involved to full antisemitism by the middle ages.
Catholicism is still kinda on that side, having no real theological answer to the rebirth of Judaism in Israel. Thankfully this is not the case with other Christian groups.
I think of Judaism as a spiritual older cousin of mine and love the way Ecclesia / Synagoga are portrayed. I also like the cartoon-y art style. It almost contradicts the deeply meaningful symbolism in the piece itself, but it's beautiful all the same.
Great video
Exquisite !
Great analysis as usual. Was very interesting learning about Ecclesia and Synagogue. In my years studying early art history I had never encountered them. HOWEVER, what's happening with the REAL STARS of this piece? i.e. the Snake-dragon and bucket at the base of the cross. You gotta love how ravenous it looks for Jesus's feet. 🐍 🪣 #justiceforthesnakebuckettwo
Another excellent video! It would have been worthwhile to call out this motif of diminutive synagoga as being wrong, in my opinion.
We second that emotion.