Former NFL Scout Breaks Down Who The "Winners" Of The 2024 NFL Draft Are | Pat McAfee Reacts
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'Grades are dumb. Here are my grades that I made up with a system a 6 year old would come up with.'
His system is so insanely stupid. whatever team that had the most top 150 picks is going to be at the top lmao
Your team got a bad grade didn’t they.
It's really the dumbest possible ranking system you can think of.
The only truly accurate metric of how well those drafts turned out is the future productivity of those players, but you can't do that within 15 minutes of the players being drafted, so we lose patience with it.
The best "instant soup" version of a draft grade would probably be something like an average consensus draft position vs where each player was selected at. But even that is stupid because it doesn't reflect whether a player actually ends up being any good.
Yeah that only really tells you how well they did compared to how well they should have. So you look at their picks and determine what scire they should have got and then look at what they got and the difference is their score. That makes more sense
Kinda their job lol
Draft grades right after the draft can be fun and insightful, but remember it takes 3-5 years to really understand if a teams draft was good or not.
Wrong, takes 3-5 years to figure out if the picks worked out, the grading comes from the determined value of each pick
More like 2 years.
Grades mean nothing and offer zero insight. lol
Thanks oxiclean! We thought you were just for clothes washing.
@@TrippySoul026 everyone called the 2012 Seahawks draft terrible at the time, and it became one of the greatest drafts ever. If AD Mitchell becomes a bust, then even tho everyone is saying the colts got a steal now, people won’t remember that down the line. Grades right after the draft don’t mean much
Former Scout: I assigned a value based on how I looked at the players, and assigned a grade based on the value
also Former Scout: dont get mad at me, I'm just presenting numbers
Right?😂😂
The last 10 years every draft analyzer has scored a 2/10 or 3/10 on player skill prediction and future value and they know it, but when a new year comes around, they are at it again with no thought of past failures. Gotta love it!
Boiling it down to a number makes no sense when drafting is purely situational
It would be interesting if they factored in team needs and gave those points accordingly
But then you couldalso factor in the situation the person is getting dropped into like if you graded coaches on teams and then you could maybe predict the best indicators of future success of players and add that to the grade as well.
That's how I feel about your mom
@@bobblew8530 dude... do better 😂
@Tribleman247
Seriously? You know spreadsheets (at the simplest level) have a sort function, right?
You sort by QB then rankings if your "situation" calls for drafting the best QB, and the highest ranked QB pops up right there at the top.
Later in the draft, you just want the "best available player"? Just sort by the ranking.
Both scenarios require "boiling it down to a number" before they're possible.
gotta be the dumbest way to grade draft picks lmao..
Colts had by far the best draft .
@@123shoshan oh for sure they drafted 19 future hall of farmers or famers something like that
Yeah because there is only 150 players that are drafted, and it was also the 150 he scored no one else... this is dumb as hell.
Right any teams with two 1st round picks will always get the top grades and any teams with no 1st round picks will get the lowest
@@123shoshanugh no.
Pat went straight villan
*villain.
Verse and Fiske getting drafted back to back by the Rams was special moment for those two guys. They were crying on the phone.
"What's the score on the Colts... DJ..? Ya prick!" You gotta love it.
This grading scheme is like if an autistic kid fed data to a LLM to determine who performed best in the draft.
Former scout for a reason...
You were never a scout for a reason as well. His opinion is worth more than yours in regards to the NFL. Not saying it's gospel but definitely more meaningful then what you think
Or he wanted a different work life balance and make more money in media…..
@@austinjackson3986 no one knows who tf this guy is, neither do u. so relax. the grades are dumb af, like he said
Any experience is not necessarily good experience.
Similar to Biden's 47 years in Congress.
Thus this comment of former scout has merit.
So good at his job tv networks pay him 20x more what he was making as a scout
I wanna hear pat talk about Tory Taylor
He hasn’t talked about him because the Bears drafted him. He hates the Bears. Well known.
Love DJs draft takes
Ravens fan here. The Steelers know their division. That Pittsburgh O-line and defense is scary. Looks like they’re building for the offensive backfield. It might take a season to develop, but wow.
The only way gardening a draft makes sense is if you take into account each team and them addressing their weaknesses and how much they improve.
Yeah, those tomatoes can be really fickle 😂. But you make a great point.
@@lornerussell3644 auto correct for the flawless victory. Grading lol
His grading system would mean picks 74 and 75 are worth the number one overall pick
So wait Atlanta gets a better grade for drafting a highly ranked QB? Does this sound like a good grading algorithm DJ?
But the Cardinals did best by just having the most picks so getting the biggest number 😂
@@nicksims2827drafting a large number of high quality prospect SHOULD win you the draft. Thats what its about.
As a cowboys fan I thought we made some really good picks. Beebe might have been the steal of the draft. Just wish we would have drafted a RB or Wr in round 2 or 3 as well
They should be grading the 2022 draft, not the 2024 draft.
selection evaluations soon after the selection can be entertaining and educational, but keep in mind that it often takes three to five years to truly judge a team's draft performance.
Can you compare these mock drafting and see who did the best
Puka Nacua has entered the chat with his 10 points.
Hearing Pat talk about the players he met at the draft sounds just like a high school kid telling their Mommy all about the new friends they made after the first day of school.
i love that pat is a die hard fan of my team GO COLTS!!!
There is a reason he is a former scout and its probably not because he was an exceptional scout
As a Raiders fan.. I haven’t heard “STEAL OF THE DRAFT” and raiders in the same sentence in a long long time 🥹
It’s coming from the same guy that gave Mahomes a terrible pre draft grade. There’s a reason he’s a former scout
I wish my Jaguar's played Pittsburgh every year in Pittsburgh its like our second home. Oh last thing I like it when they wave there little yellow towels . LOL
“Grades are dumb” alright thanks for the segment.
Pittsburgh did what I WANTED Cincinnati to do. Beef up the interior Oline. Mims will be a backup this year and other than him they got a Center in the 7th. Had to fix that D line though giving up way too many yards in the run game
Arizona is going to be back in playoff contention this year they had a franchising altering draft with all the players they landed 7 in the top 100 and that doesn’t includes like Dadrion Taylor Demerson, EDGE Xavier Thomas, or OT Christian Jones who were all top 100 talents so really 10.
If the Air Force safety he mentioned was drafted by the Colts instead of Raiders this would have been a 15 minute segment...instead they grunt and talk about Steelers. Do. Your. Jobs.
What about the vikings getting JJ and dallace turner.
They had a damn good draft, not quite as good as the Bears, but not far behind either.
bears draft the punt god and pat still refuses to talk about them. what else do they have to do. he gets drafted to any other team that high i guarantee theres a whole segment about him.
Well in his defense he tried to give the Trey Taylor pick credit to the Bears. Unfortunately he called him Tory Taylor, and he went to the Raiders actually 😂
@@usdm420 His name is Tory Taylor, not Troy Taylor. What are you on about?
@@andrewadami3920 The Safety from Air Force that was drafted to the Raiders is TREY TAYLOR. Not Tory. Or Troy lol...even Daniel Jeremiah said his name wrong
I’ve realized that the best drafts are the teams that draft offensive lineman early
So these grades are based on how many picks a team had
Yea, silly math. Hard to judge a team when they trade a 2nd round pick to get Montez Sweat.. how are those points graded...
More accurately, how many picks within the first 150. So there is some logic to it, but it is very basic.
Isnt a draft class better the more quality players you get? I dont understand how that is a negative on the metric
By the value of a player.
Not number of picks
@@benriquez615 You missed his point
Tone asking Steelers questions lolol😂 what else is new
If you talk about the “winners” of the 2024 draft for 8 minutes without even uttering the words Minnesota or Chicago, you have a broken rating system. 👎
This system excludes so much what if I trade a pick this year but get 8 picks next year I didn’t pick a player so my grade is 0?
well at least its another year before we hear from DJ again😂😂😂
There are none of the newer punters on the MacAfee level...Steelers nailed it. Colts were top 10.
Vikings killed it in the first round. Lions had a very solid overall draft.
Bro just contradicted himself yeah he aint see that thru 😂😂
It's true man Stealers stole this draft, they took my two favorite guys early on. And they got Wilson now for some magic beans. Goddamnit.
McCormick will start by the end of the year and is a future Pro Bowler...can't figure the DeJean drop...something behind the scenes there.
Whhhoyyyte
Get pissey about his system all you want(it is dumb) but Daniel Jeremiah has like a 83% accuracy on predicting where players get taken he knows that aspect at least
Bro they really HATE the Raiders. He mentioned a steal by the Raiders and they just grunted and changed the subject...
As they should
It's about coaching ok! The talents will only be valuable with the right coach and team.
That's an idiotic way to rank who "won" the draft and whatever analyst thought giving the number one pick 150 points and the 150th pick 1 point should never be allowed to use a spreadsheet again.
AH - "Grades are dumb"
Norm Fan - "We know"
AH - "It's too soon to tell"
Norm Fan - "Just let us get hyped"
AH - "only 1-3 players are gonna pan out for each team"
Norm Fan - "so let us enjoy the scratch off tickets before they become duds."
Not having Bears and Saints on there is crazy
Bears had terrible draft
Bears draft was weak
@@captainspartan04yea they only had 4 draft picks with 2 in the top 10 but did the worst?
Bears made 4 picks bruh😂
@@captainspartan04 Colts had by far the best draft
1:53 "yeah we're gonna get football guys" So what are the other players drafted? Cab drivers?
There’s plenty of “football for a living, not for the love of the game” type guys. It’s a profession and the real ones are known as, “football guys”.
Did he say the FALCONS had a top graded draft? LMFAOOO
They had more than the Penix pick. They needed a QB. Could’ve gotten a younger guy like JJ to sit and learn but it makes sense. Kirk is only guaranteed cash for 2 years and they have the option to cut ties in 2026 to save significant cap
@@brendan7704 they will take a 25 million and 13 million cap hit in 26/27...thats if they cut him then (54 million if not after the 3rd year). Also forgetting the future contracts they will need to pay to keep the same cast around Penix if they do decide to play him after 2026. By the time he gets comfortable being the starter (maybe 2..3+ years)? He'll be almost 30 already while having to make a decision to sign him to a bigger contract.
@brendan7704 they traded up for like DT6 on the board lmao they bombed it. Terrible look for the organization. Completely blew all the momentum they had
@@cry-ptoltd6832he’s 24 so he will be 27 28
Then stealing that qb is great trade capital in the near future to be honest
Carolina not taking Wilson irritated me to no end. He's better than that guy from Kentucky we got.
So he hates draft grades, but ranks those having the best draft off his own ranking of players? What a tool!
Grading rookies that haven’t even taken a snap lol I’ll be back at the end of the season
It's not a random crap shoot. Sure, we don't KNOW who will perform, but this is about THEORIZING who will do well based on the evidence we have.
The one dude said it best: More picks = more points
Totally agnostic to team need 🗑
How to make it fair: Normalize pts based on the number of picks
“Grading the draft is silly, instead I assign points to the players I graded and extrapolate it” lol, what? Isn’t that still grading? C’mon now lol
Spot on with the "more picks more points". A better methodology would be to add all the points, then divide by the number of picks. That would give you an average value of each pick and would allow a comparison with teams that have differing numbers of picks. Of course that's all complete nonsense, because scouts are generally wrong more than they get it correct.
Steelers had a great draft. Nothing could go wrong with Arthur Smith
Bills definitely had the best draft. Hands down
Raiders easily had the best draft!!! Not even close.....
Yet they have no QB
I can confirm mccormick can NOT run through a brick wall... seen the vitch get knocked out at siouxland
Giving draft grades is basically just to give sports journalists something to talk about, they do nothing else at all. There is no way you can judge the efficiency of a pick by its value. The same guy at the same position has different value for other teams. Penix at 8th for the giants is different than penix at 8th to the falcons, chiefs, bills etc. And nobody knows if rookie transfer and adapt well to the nfl. All you can say after a draft is whether a team filled the positions they were lacking, nothing else.
Obviously the teams that had more picks will have the propensity to Score higher. This measurement system is flawed!
Draft speculation after the draft is as useless as draft speculation before the draft.
Bills & Eagles killed this draft. Bills have a shitload of day 1 & 2 picks plus are hella under the cap in 2025, the sun is shining in Buffalo for a long time.
Coincidentally-Cincy, Baltimore, GB, SF, Miami & Houston will all be entering cap purgatory in 25 & 26; guess who isn’t….
KC & Buffalo
Just have Bill on and ask him. I hate when everyone is just the best player they’ve ever seen
Colts had one of the best drafts, they’re basing it on “value” and they’re wrong on “value” every year.
DL players Hutch-great, Levi - crap, Pascal -backup, Martin- Bum so far, Houston - No clue what he is. Brad hasn't been good at drafting DL. He did good with Campbell, Branch, Kirby, I'm not sold on half a season with Iffy.
David loves to hate on Glenn and praise Johnson. One took over bums and the other had 3 pro bowl Line man, a pro bowl QB.
Fautanu will likely be the Steelers RT so they can move Broderick Jones back to LT, but who knows
They should drafted 6”5/310 (35in+ arms) OT Christian Jones who’s as technically Sound as it gets n was there in the 5th despite having a late 2nd to 3rd round grade because he’s a RT only but he’s dominant. He would have fit that rebuild nicely allowing Fautanu to move inside. Woulda been absolute steal.
Key word "former"
Everyone is upset about the Falcons picking Penix but guess what team won’t skip a beat if Cousins goes down 🤔
Jets, Cards, Vikings, Bengals, to name a few suffered when the back ups came in
I still can't believe that they gave Cousins aka Father Time that huge money.
@@brucestanley9330 doesn’t bother me it’s not my money. All I know is that my falcons have 2 good Qbs
Steelers1
Yeah I can do that
D.J. once said the bears should trade the #3 overall pick in the 2017 draft for Jimmy Garropplo!!! From the patriots.
Tbf, it would've worked out better than Trubisky 😂
@@billsfever ok
Colts lose points for recruiting a WR and telling him his division rival is his hometown...
Yep
The Steelers and the management are tired of losing the fans are tired of losing butt with Tomlin on the clock right now he's going to have a short leash if he doesn't do something with this talent that they have this coming year and they are building quality depth at every position because they know what happened last year with the linebacking crew
Grammar school draft scoring. I can pretend and give you a better grade.
If you talking heads want to do a draft show that is credible then present what pundits graded and predicted lets say 5 years ago ... now that is something that I would like to see
Eagles hands down had the best draft.
Eagles got, what, 3 2025 draft picks? And still got all those players. Bet he doesn't even bother with that. Also you are grading draft process decisions, not players.
Colts are not that good. Pat says every year how they are the best team in the nfl when they aren’t even the best in the afc, maybe not even their own division.. patriots are the same. They drafted a quarerback 4 years ago too and they are apparently the best team in the nfl again. Ask the jags how Mac jones feels on their roster. Steelers went all offensive lineman which is a great draft when you already have everything else you need. Their secondary could really use some help but big people in the trenches can never hurt your team.
Trusting the bears draft picks would be crazy, remember they traded up for Mitch Trubisky
Different GM but I'm sure you knew that😉
According to this guy two mid third round picks are worth the same as the first overall lol.
I'd rather have 2 Travis Kelce than 1 Justin Fields 🤷🏻♂️
@@Droid6689 enjoy your Cody Kessler and Nick Vannett, I’ll stick with my Joey Bosa champ
@@Droid6689@croissantCreates had a valid observation but this is just an idiotic response LOL
Steelers
That's what they said the last how many years
@@Rynos8771are you trying to say they haven't drafted well the past few years?
@@zackamig4446 when u draft a CFL QB 20th nothing else matters. The 21 draft was awful. In 22 they got Pickens and?... We'll see how the picks from last year and this year turn out
@@Rynos8771 I mean 2021 they got najee and freiermuth, Kendrick green didn't work out in Pittsburgh but he started for the Texans all last year. Dan Moore while not great has started 3 years at left tackle and played well enough to get to the playoffs 2 out of his 3 years. 2022 Pickett is serviceable had a winning record in the NFL and is a high end back up. Pickens, Calvin Austin and Mark Robinson came out of that draft and have all done decent with their starts and leal is developing into a nice piece. Conner heyward has also been a really nice blocking tight end and him Austin and Robinson all play important roles on special teams. Then 2023 Broderick Jones, and Joey Porter jr which they got because they traded the bears chase claypool for the 32nd pick which was highway robbery. Keanu Benton is on his way to becoming a stud, Darnell Washington great blocking tight end and Nick herbig who is tj watts protege. So yeah I'd say they've drafted well as they always have and they smashed this years draft out of the park
@@Rynos8771 not sure what you need to see from last year's draft as jpj, Broderick, Darnell Washington and Benton all were basically full time starters half way through the season
When you take into account that the bears used draft picks to also acquire Montez sweat and Keenan Allen they easily won the draft
The Ravens
Steelers won do jack with Tomln at head coach lol
Points of the dumbest ish possible.
Key is former
Lions!!
Love what the Lions did this draft
Chargers baby!!!! ⚡️⚡️⚡️
What an absolute mark. Doesn’t include anything about team needs and if they guys will be impactful. Instead it’s just” uh they picked the most of the guys I liked”
Colts on top
Not even close
Top 10 I'd say.
That might possibly be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard! More picks more points!!! STUPID
Such a waste of time
pats won the draft
I think grades are silly ... but I'm going to go and rate a team, based on points to figure out how they rank based on how they rank, along a grade if you will... gotta love how everyone is treated as an expert and doing something different than everyone else when it all comes down to semi educated guesswork and dart throwing.
I'm starting to lose respect for people who keep using the trope "what are we doin?", or "what are we talkin' about". It's over used, unoriginal, lazy, and has overstayed it's welcome. Somebody make it stop!
What are we doing here?
No wonder he's "former"...
All these kinda guys do is grade to make their pre grade draft look better to make themselves look better…it a joke!