If someone is reckless then fine them. If someone is disturbing the peace take appropriate action. That is sufficient. The control freaks running the Nany state will take as much freedom from the people that they can. Government of the people, by the people, and for the people used to mean something.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Your public service announcement is a better deterrent to illegal flying in US National Parks than any fine. I think the rule is silly. I think that a putting in a fee based permit system that allows for flying under certain conditions and safety guidelines is the best way to go. Until the rule is changed the rule breakers stand in the way of changes being made. As for the Army ban on Dji Drones - I'm behind it. Dji is arguably the best consumer technology around, but for military use I think the systems need to be proprietary, secure, and made in the USA.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Your public service announcement is a better deterrent to illegal flying in US National Parks than any fine. I think the rule is silly. I think that a putting in a fee based permit system that allows for flying under certain conditions and safety guidelines is the best way to go. Until the rule is changed the rule breakers stand in the way of changes being made. As for the Army ban on Dji Drones - I'm behind it. Dji is arguably the best consumer technology around, but for military use I think the systems need to be proprietary, secure, and made in the USA.
Hello from from Utah (13 National Park administrated areas)! Thanks for this informative video. I personally believe if a pilot is a FAA cert. Drone pilot, he or she should be able to obtain a permit for certain periods of time (and/or areas) that could be designated for such use of the park. The parks belong to us all and drone photographers should have access.
Jay Malone Exactly! I am a firm believer in respecting other's privacy and safety when it comes to flying. If the National Park Service could adopt policies that are drone friendly, as to when and under what circumstances you can fly, I would be all for it.
John Poen Could you please post the areas in Utah or put up a link of them? I know the five NP's of course, but am curious what the other 8 are. Thank you from a fellow Utahn!
utah wanderlust700 I can't find the exact article that I read, but remembered that many were State Parks or Monuments. Check out stateparks.utah.gov/?s=Drones for some recent limited use regulations info. Good luck!
This freaking country is dead! Those of us who are old enough walk around with our memories of America, the rest walk around with their illusions of it.
I'm 72. The problem is simply too many people. Our fellow younger drone fliers have no idea how free the 50s & 60s were. Nobody had a cell phone camera. Imagine that. We were lucky to have lived in those years!
The “country is dead”??? Really? I will tell you what Conservatives/Republicans said to anybody that protested the Vietnam War (my era) - “If you don’t like things in the Country, then you are free to leave”. Bye, bye.
It’s illegal to fly in a national park, in the city, in the wilderness, in the forest, in the desert. I’m annoyed by this tbh because there is great spots to fly in but you can’t because it’s “illegal “
I feel that drones should be allowed in national parks as long as the drone pilot can show he or she is registered with the FAA and flies with in the rules.
Hi. New flyer here. The NPS web site lists battlefields, trails and monuments by state which are NOT National Parks. Do you know if drone flights are banned in these areas as well?
the moral of the story is don’t upload your drone footage of national parks to youtube. or just don’t mention anything about the location of the shoot.
I think as much as I would love to fly in these places it is for the best. Height limits are for the safety of manned aircrafts and the restriction in parks is for preserving the nature. Still so many other places to fly if we view it positivity
They try to own and put regulations on the most beautiful natural places.They can easily take our FAA registration # and charge us $5.00 or $10.00 for flying in the park.I would gladly pay it and so would a lot of other pilots.
Im a drone pilot, and i reluctantly agree with the no fly zones over national parks.i once had an esc burn up midflight with absolutely no warning, i maintain my drones to keep them near perfect condition(as close to perfect as possible) i always replace questionable motors, i use quality batteries, new props etc.. but sometimes they just blow up, and to have that happen 1 or several miles deep in a national forest would truely be a disaster. Its a shame that we have to sacrifice cool videos for safety, but i get it, i dont want a bunch of firefighters risking their lives cus my battery sparks out over jellystone park.
I am going to the grand canyon next month for the first time. I was excited to get a drone, for work and recreational use, to use there and found out it was illegal to use in a national park.. so sad. I think if you have the drone registered with the FAA and are a responsible user of the drone it should be fine to use a drone.
Of course without regulation, drone flying in state parks could get out of control. But I don't believe banning them all together is the answer. How about just make it necessary to apply for a permit. Then that way drone usage could be kept at a set limit and those granted permits would have to learn some basic rules that would make sure they would fly them responsibly and not be too careless. Perhaps they would be required to pass a test and obtain a license. Much the same as how we get a driver's license. Of course these rules would have to be specific and reasonable. I'd have to write a lot more to get into that. But this is just a general idea of the top of my head. It may or may not be the best. The downside I could see to this, would be the State or the Govt. abusing this for profit as they are often known to do. They could easily just jack the fee's up way too high, and that's not the purpose I had in mind. But realistically, I'd be surprised if they didn't do this. Just look how much we pay to the DMV for all of their fee's. Like 'non-op'! That fee is pointless and just abusive ( for lack of a better word ). Why should we pay a yearly fee for a car we own that just sits in our garage? Okay I'm getting off subject here so I'll end on that note.
Thanks for commenting! Yeah, I think since Part 107 pilots have already paid, and passed an extensive test already, that Part 107 pilots should be able to basically give the National Park Service your license number, your aircraft registration number, and date of flying there. With that information, they would be able to contact the correct person if they found something damaged or disturbed. That's my current idea of solving this! :)
Just the thought of what our quads are made of should clue everyone in on why you shouldn't fly in a national park, or reserve. I dont know of any animals that like to eat lipo batteries and carbon fiber lol. You are doing a movie then you should have a flight path and team to be able to track your quad for recovery just in case of a failure to return etc. Good topic thanks for the vid.
Prop Dusty that’s a good point that you make. It is on all of us as quad pilots to respect the rules and the wildlife that inhabit the areas we love to explore. Parks are parks for a reason ,and we have to respect that and hopefully,understand the governments reasons for making areas protected places. As a photographer I’m allowed to photograph wild protected areas, sometimes that just has to be enough. Sometimes it’d be nice to be a bird... but alas...I’m not ;)
I do think we should be responsible, even with a downed drone. One point that has been brought up in another comment thread on here....I can find an area less than 2 miles from my house that has more wildlife per sq ft than possibly any national park.....but that area is fair game for me to fly in/over. So, I should be just as concerned flying over all areas as I would be flying over a national park.
No flying in National Parks is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. Probably the one place it is safest to fly and avoid people/property. Darwin Award to the law makers on this one.
I don't think congress is to blame for this one. I believe it just a "rule" that the NPS has come up with. Would like to see someone challenge them in court. These government "Agencies" are getting out of control. Congress and the Senate are the lawmakers, they need to get off their lazy ass's and sort this crap out.
The problem is with the FFA. If you allowed every Joe shmoe to fly in parks you could possibly affect wild life. Imagine every day dozens of drones in the sky might frightened birds off that might be food for another spices and so forth. The FFA is under staffed and now has to deal with uas that's hard.
I couldn't disagree with you more. Keep the drones out of our National Parks! I am in Yellowstone every year, and there have been several incidents with illegal drone flying, with one even damaging Grand Prismatic Spring. Keep our parks natural, not with some buzzing over my head and disturbing the wildlife. And yes, I am an amateur photographer - drones have no place in National Parks.
I just bought a Phantom 4 Advanced and I am getting ready to register with the faa. I own my own business as an electrical contractor and want to take pics of my own projects for advertising my company. (Not photo for hire) Should I register as recreational or commercial in your opinion? Thank you
(Disclaimer: I will answer to the best of my ability, but I am not affiliated with the FAA or any educational organization. I encourage you to call your local FAA office or other organization that regulates airspace for civil aviation in your country.) I would think that you would need to obtain your Part 107 Remote Pilot Certificate, then register as commercial. The work you are planning to do is definitely considered commercial by the FAA. But registering isn't enough. You do need to get your Remote Pilot Certificate. Here is a video that I have giving a little more information about how I went about it. ruclips.net/video/u4bUkwsXaNg/видео.html
Jay Malone - I'm new to this whole drone thing & so far the most frustrating thing has been trying to figure out the laws & rules. They change so much state by state & it would be to have some uniform standards & rules. I know there is a Drone Handbook that was put out. I need to get it & read into it a little more.
I feel it's an over reach of the government, also a mistake on the national parks. Drones take beautiful footage, and this would be a great way for national parks to get some free advertisement. They can easily look back at last year's slow months and open those days to drone flights.
Em&Syl 266 -- Let me ask you, would you like to be one of the 500 people waiting around Old Faithful for it to erupt, while 5 drones fly over your head? OK, what about 20 drones? The NPS has a legitimate need to prevent drone use in crowded places for safety and in other places to prevent disturbance of wildlife and without prohibitions and the fines that go with it you and I know that way too many yahoos would fly over your head and chase wildlife. It is unfortunate, however, that every square inch of every National Park is off limits as there are many places that are not frequented by many visitors and have no unusual wildlife factors that would otherwise justify prohibitions and in those places it should be permissible to fly a drone. But, sitting around Old Faithful or hiking a trail in Yosemite is not one of the places the NPS should permit drone flights.
Raptorman0909 actually, a trail in Yosemite would be perfect-for a short ranged selfie drone to get a couple of shots of the hiker and a burst of photos in a 360 before landing. Short up, shoot, and down. Even the < 0.55 kg selfie drones are forbidden in these areas.
Oh yeah, drones would be perfect to catch great shots in a lot of places EXCEPT that there are risks when around people and the FAA and other agencies in other parts of the world expressly forbid flying over people. In addition, the joy in places like Yosemite are built on being in NATURE and the buzzing of drones kind of impedes that. Notice I said drones, plural, because that's what you would have -- if one is allowed then hundreds will be there. Sorry, but in the built up areas where larger numbers of people go there MUST be NO drones PERIOD! I should add that I own 2 drones and as I've already said I think there should be areas within most/many National Parks that are open to drones but in the areas where people or wildlife are common NO DRONES!
Raptorman0909 the biggest problem with that argument is that wildlife is everywhere, even urban areas. Don't believe me? Check out NYC's coyotes. Note that I said ON A TRAIL-away from others. Read the whole entry. Drones over people is a privacy issue, if you're in public you're fair game.
So civilians cannot fly a drone over the national parks highlighting the majestic beauty and scenery but the current Administration can open these lands up to OIL drilling ( for free, of course). Sorry to bring politics into this. But it needs to be said.
BTW line of sight is different than out of sight..... It can be out of sight yet still in your line of site. As long as there is nothing blocking your eyes in a straight line to the drone, then it's in your line of sight, whether or not it's out of view.
FIRST. My professional pilot side. I fly commercially and have for years. I am more than a little familiar with the FAA, their regulations, why they have them, and how to comply with them. Having said that, as a pilot of a jet we are cruising below 10,000 at 250 knots unless under a Class B. Then it is below 200. Either way having some unlicensed person who just unboxed their new drone ABOVE the 400 foot altitude rule really does put me and my passengers at risk. At speeds a slow as 130 knots on our final approach for landing, we are just NOT going to see a UAS like a DJI Phantom 4 Pro. However we would cage an engine if one happens to find its way into the air intake. SO there are reasons for all the rules that the FAA has put out. Consider these the good ol days. There will be more regulation coming I promise. SECOND My professional UAS pilot side. Most of the UAS regulations that are there are because of stupidity. Just like they are for us in the Commercial Airline/Private Jet world. So if you are new to all of this, you must recognize EARLY ON that you now own a Federally Recognized Aircraft and you will be responsible for it. Whether you know the regulations, state, and local laws etc. So that is why there are the regulations for us all out there that fall under Department of Transportation Federal Aviation Administration. THIRD here is my opinion. Just as I am afforded many privileges as an Airline Transport Pilot, or ATP, I really sincerely think very strongly, that the FAA needs to start affording those of us with the FAR part 107 certification, more privileges. It works in the big aircraft world it needs to work here too. The problem is that the FAA is short of manpower. I believe this will become the case in the future I really do. On National Parks. YEP and yep. I totally think this is an area for improvement for both the Park Service and the FAA. There are plenty of FAR 107 pilots out there WHO OBTAINED the license so as to be able to fly their UAS for purposes stated here by all the comments. HOWEVER. Folks we are not going to go anywhere if we keep having people perform in a reckless and careless manner. So as people have posted here. Keep up the good work of being within compliance at all times as we fly our drones. As we get more pilots our voice will get larger too. Some Advice. Recently I called a meeting with our local UAS Drone Inspector for our FSDO, or Flight Standards District Office. That meeting gave me a lot of insight into what the FAA is trying to do establish and what their motives are. They are believe it or not, a whole lot more on our side than they are on the grumpy public. He did let me know that for UAS pilots not respecting compliance that there would be big fines, FAA Action, etc. He stated also that if they look at an individual(s) her were complained about, as, performing proper research, preflight action, and operated safely (Observers, waivers, etc) that he would have a hard time hanging fault if due diligence had been performed. I would do that. Get some fellow drone pilots in your area and head over to the local FSDO in your area. So Jay there is my short and concise, answer and opinion to your question. :)
I'm in the process of getting my part 107. I informed my uncle about this, a flight instructor. In my particular area the majority of the pilots who received their pilots license, aircraft, received it from him. When I informed him of the questions and areas that the FAA was seeking knowledge, testing and understanding on, the part 107, he was flabbergasted. To quote him, "misuse of an aircraft, is not tolerated, nor for any pilot he taught even thought of. The fact that the FAA is stating that a drone pilot would need to know some of these areas simply shows the total lack of any understanding of what type of aircraft they are dealing with." This comes from a flight instructor of over 40+ years.
Greg Lupinski I’m here to tell you the FAA does know what they’re talking about. A drone can cause major damage, injury, or even death to other individuals. Not to mention the fact that you can go out and buy this drone requires regulation. Just like anything else I could be proven harmful to individuals. There are regulations that govern that. The reason there are regulations to govern such is to provide the best possible outcome for all people involved. I happen to not only fly under an FAA Air Transport Pilot cert., I too am a FAA CFI, CFII, CFMEI. As well as an FAA 107 pilot. I commanded a Remote Pilot UAS Detatchment in the United States Army backing up air Defense artillery. I have a BS degree in Aerospace. I happen to disagree with your uncle’s assessment. The FAA controls the air space over the United States of America. And even though things are disorganized at the moment as time goes forward they will become streamlined. The folks in the FAA or most of them anyway that are heading up the UAS areas, our 107 pilots themselves and have been Remote Pilots for years. To simply state that they don’t understand meaning the FAA what a UAS/drone aircraft is is telling that your uncle may not quite understand the FAA. At least as far UAS and the FAA are concerned. There are changes coming almost on a monthly basis some of them for the better and some that still need final edits, two weeks, and input from the UAS community. So stay well-informed and compliant and I think all of this will work out for the better just give it some time and have some patience..
If drone flying over 400 ft were a problem, then how many more thousands of birds the size of a drone would be problems? If birds aren't a problem, no way drones could be a problem. If drones were the problem the FAA wanted us to think, airliners would be in danger everyday due to some birds that are even bigger and fly thousands of feet in the air.
The NPS oversees several areas that are not listed as "National Parks:" National Monuments, National Memorials, National Historic Sites, National Historic Trails, , National Recreation Areas, National Historic Parks, etc. For example, the NPS website lists 24 areas ran by NPS in AZ but only 3 are technically "National Parks." Could the "park" you flew over be one of these? Does the rule include these other areas?
Thanks for the vid Jay. Best to share experiences like that, thanks. 5:25 "never trust wikipedia"....I totally agree....My suggestion for anyone researching before flying is use government and local authority sources, as the info they publish has to go through a checking procedure beforehand.
You should first make sure that you are in Class G airspace and then make sure your city does not have a restriction on drone flights. Check out the Airmap App to make sure you are ok as far as Airspace goes. If it is a small city...you are probably ok to fly!
My city park was outside the city with beautiful mountains and river that’s all I want to know Bcuz I’m New pilot I just got my first drone right now. By the way I love your explanation on drone rules and thank you 🙏 God bless our hobbies drone flying
As a licensed UAV operator I have to say I see both sides of this. If anyone can fly a drone in a federal park then there will be people getting annoyed and perhaps animals being harassed. Not all users are in it for the artistic values. The current rules are OK in my view but I would hope they would allow licensed pilots with honest intent a permit to fly and capture video much as they would a still frame photographer.
Yeah, I think licensed pilots should be able to easily obtain a permit to fly there. Give them your license number and drone registration number. Then if they find something damaged or disturbed later, they would know who to contact! Thanks for commenting!
I agree, I know they don't want drones disturbing other people and the wildlife, but me flying 100 ft plus above the ground, shouldn't be disturbing either!
Jay Malone and if your drone should fail and hit me on the head I suppose that's not a concern for you. Public place... rules to protect everyone who wants to be there. Drones as yet do not have certified safety standards and literally anyone can fly one... with no concern for the devices reliability or safety.
Please wear a helmet at the park if you are concerned about the drones. Problem solved. BTW, 20k-80k meteors (>10g) fall to earth each year as a reminder to keep that helmet on everywhere you go. See, I care about your safety. So now you don't have to slander all drone operators that they don't have a concern for YOU and they have no concern about the device's reliability or safety. I believe they all care very much about not hurting people. And enjoy an expensive photography hobby and want the utmost in reliability and safety.
Sorry I wasn't clear. You only have to wear a helmet when you hear a drone flying overhead and you think it is coming for your head then simply grab the helmet out of your backpack and put it on.
Great question. They really don't lay out specific reasons. People only speculate reasons such as: Lipo battery fire hazard, noise, disturbing wildlife, etc. But as far as I know, those reasons are just speculation!
Well, if you are talking about a US national park then yes.....but there is a little loophole that would allow you to fly over the park, ruclips.net/video/4Ogeq0zRjR8/видео.html
Rappasta well, it would be illegal. But as far as how they would go about proving it was you, I’m not sure. I would say the majority of people get caught while in the park.
Parks belong to mankind in general. Not to some government that takes away your rights to live freely in this world. But there are idiots, the bad guys if you will that ruin things for the masses. So in order to “Serve The Masses” legislation was born. So “National” Parks should belong to.....duh... the nation. To the people, for the people.
And thanks to "some government" we have all the great National Parks to enjoy. Remember, these public lands would not exist without government setting them aside for everyone to enjoy.
wow you have rocketed in less than a year, gained 11000 subscribers, thats awesome man, only just hit 1000 and no change yet in growing since hitting in the other week
Yes, I found it hard to accept that people don't watch all of my videos. But I understand that we always don't have time, or just not always interested in that particular video. I have a handful of channels that I watch all of their videos. For instance, I don't miss a Casey Neistat or Peter McKinnon video! lol But we just have to accept that we will NEVER get everyone watching!
Can you use a Mavic 2 Pro simply as a 4K video recorder without flying the Drone? And if so, how long would the battery last using it as a standalone camera/video recorder?
You can totally use it standalone. In fact, this thing makes it awesome! amzn.to/2Uz99Up As far as the battery goes. It would last a LOT longer...but I couldn't tell you how long.
Correct me if I am wrong....but you seem to be under the misapprehension that you will only be prosecuted if you show the video on RUclips, the law is "not fly a drone in a National Park", the video evidence is handy, but so is a video of you admitting that you flew your drone in a National Park. In this video you have admitted to breaking the law, why would you do that?????
Well they can't effectively prosecute him if they don't know which park it was, and he went out of his way to not say that. There's also not a time or date. That would be very difficult indeed to prosecute.
funny thing though, in my area nps.gov does not list one of the parks around me which is a national wildlife refuge? Is that same thing? not that I would fly there anyway however just wanted to confirm on their website what was near me...
Launching, landing, or operating an aircraft to include unmanned aircraft (drone)from or on lands and waters administered by the US Fish and Wildlife Service is prohibited. 50 CFR 27.34. The National Wildlife Refuge might be governed by the US Fish and Wildlife service, if so, the above rule applies. Try looking on the AirMap App and see what it shows.
I known in Illinois and Iowa the 2 states I have spent my life in, you can not be in the park and fly a drone. The main reason is Eagle protection and I respect that because I genuinely love and care about the birds. Especially in the Spring when the new births take place and the birds become highly protective. I do not wish to lose one of my 1400.00 plus investments. However that being said there is a work around for state parks and I have used this. If you are not “in” the park and send your drone in they really can’t touch you. Especially if you are private land and have permission from the owner to be there. I have wanted certain scenes and sites and had rangers follow my drones out of the park to me. They have no authority to legally ticket or arrest you if you meet those criteria. I’ve had so interesting discussions with them but they leave pissed because I’m right. So if your state prohibits you from flying PHYSICALLY in the park go outside get proper permission and and fly. Not saying it will work in your state but it has in IL and IA. Just my 2 cents.
Thanks for your comment! Actually, as far as I know, those are the rules for National Parks. You can't take off or land in a National park. So as you were saying, if you take off and land on another property you can work around the National Park rule. As far as most state parks go, you can fly in them. At least in Arkansas and Missouri. But I know what you are saying about respecting the wildlife, especially those eagles! I am very fond of the eagles! I personally think you should be a licensed pilot and agree to stay clear of any wildlife and fly a minimum of 75ft high. There could be some other requirements, but there should be a way that we could film the beauty of a national park! :)
You are right. I'm a certified pilot and have done a lot of research. A lot of jurisdictions across the country have tried to pass anti-drone legislation. The federal courts came out less than a year ago and ruled that only the FAA can control airspace. So as long as you fly within FAA regs they cannot touch you. What they can control is where you take off and land. Most state and federal parks had rules prohibiting you from taking off or landing within there boundaries. They can't do anything if you take off and land outside the park and fly in as long as the airspace is legal.
The rules that I have mentioned are for the US and the FAA. You would need to check with the organization that governs your Civil Aviation in your country.
Certainly fringes on our ability to have free speech. I can go in and with megaphones blaring to all the campers about our political views, but try to preserve images of beauty and serenity gets you shut down and a fine. I do understand that there are some conservation areas, but to close down the entire park, even the public laden areas.... too much governmental interference. Just a couple of pennies of thought.....
Bart Craytor it's easier in the US to purchase a gun at a pawn shop and then wreak havoc on the public than it is to find a place to fly your drone without hassle
nospam1950 truth hurts. If it's false information then explain why it keeps happening? Yet drones terrifying communities aren't making headlines. I'm making the statement that it's ridiculous the amount of strict regulations there are for flying a drone, in contrast with the unbelievably lax rules for firearms. You're living proof that logic is not a characteristic possessed by all people.
Pay attention to my argument. I said it's easier to buy a gun at a pawn shop than to find a place to fly your drone without hassle. In my state of Texas, which has very lenient gun laws, I can be in and out of a store with a handgun. I, being a person with no prior felonies, and more than 18 years of age, can purchase a gun with no waiting period. It's that easy. I, also living in Texas, reside close to parks which do not allow drones, airport airspaces which also do not allow drones, and a neighborhood with an HOA that does not allow drones. So pay attention to what I said, it's easier to buy a gun at a pawn shop, which I can do with no hassle, than to find a place to fly my drone, which is more difficult. You have misunderstood what I've said by thinking that I said it's easier to carry around a gun, which it is not easy to do legally as you still need classes, the qualifications, and a CHL in the state of Texas. Don't worry, no one is here to take your guns, you don't have to freak out Cletus.
I think with the proper rules of not harassing wildlife and keeping a set distance from people, they should be allowed at least on a permit bases (additional revenue) to part 107 holders. If you have gone through the license procedure you have demonstrated that you can and will (at the risk of loosing that license) fly safely and with common sense. As far a noise goes. If you are more than 200 feet from a person either horizontal or vertically, they are not going to hear the drone in the wide opes spaces. Compare that to the noise put out by helicopter tours over some National Parks. Question.. What has been your experience in AR and MO as far as flying in State parks and Conservation areas? I have not seen signage either at the parks or online. Is it a ask permission or beg forgiveness thing with the parks?
As far as flying in a State Park or conservation area, I haven't actually done so that I am aware of, so I can't really say. If I ended up there on a whim, I would look for any signage stating the rules. If I didn't see anything I would probably fly, if I was in class G airspace. If I knew ahead of time, I would probably call the Park office and try to find out if they have any rules or guidelines concerning drone use.
i wonder if hunting and fishing are considered harassing wildlife?? If you can hunt or fish in any park, you should be able to fly your drone. Actually how about you should be able to fly a drone anywhere you are allowed to carry a gun!
Another idiot who thinks enthusiasts who spend thousands of dollars On a Multi-rotor of any model... are interested in buzzing deer or wildlife We spend money on or build our own MULTI-ROTORS... To develop skills and engineer technology... not chase wildlife
Any authority that would even think of prosecuting a child for a toy has obviously had their prefrontal cortex removed. In other words...the're retarded.
I think a few common sense restrictions are OK. Places like campgrounds or very crowded areas, Old Faithful in Yellowstone for example. But a out and out band is nonsense. Out here in the west the Federal Government is seizing and controlling more and more land, with more and more restrictions on usage.
I agree with the parks on this one. Some of the more crowded spaces you'd have everyone with their drones in the air at one time. That would ruin the views and the sounds of nature. Just go and enjoy the views with your eyes and not through the camera on your drone. Even as a drone owner I would hate standing there looking at a view and hear a drone go flying by.
This guy didn't do ENOUGH research. Most State Parks don't allow drone flights either, except if they have a RC field for flying planes, heli's and what not.
If you can take your camera being it camera phone or SLR camera you should let people fly their droves there. We have too much busy-body government in this country. I'm all for legislation to correct this.
Your iphone or camera can't fly to disturb people and wildlife. Parks are for people to enjoy and relax. They also can't fall out of the sky from pilot error/mechanical malfunction - land on a human or animal and injure or kill. Also, a crashed drone can potentially cause a forest fire....do I need to go on? Jeez. These things I mentioned are a few of the reasons parks are NFZ.
It is illegal to fly a drone in a National Park because the government doesn't want to be video recorded while they abduct innocent hikers and vacationers in the parks, which they've been doing for about 100 years now. National Parks are extremely dangerous places and should probably be avoided anyway. Check out David Paulides videos and, or Rusty West's YT channel for more info.
You do realize that by posting this confession video, you have made the NPS aware of your drone activites - in the same way if you had just uploaded your original video...
I fly mine on my property due to all the bull crap. I keep my height under 200 ft just because it is easier to see. But what makes a multicopter a drone? I own 2 flame wheel 550s with removable cameras and 1 phantom 3 w/none removable camera. The way i see it if i fly any of these without the camera it isn't a drone. Do you agree?
No sorry, a drone or (UAV) does not have to have a camera at all. It has nothing to do with what you capture with a camera. It is all about the aircraft. People call them drones quadcopter, multicopter, etc.....but really they are just all UAVs.
Jay Malone good to know. It was much more fun to fly these before people started using them the wrong way. I also have electric sail planes with removable cameras they have a ten foot wing span. Would i need a license to fly them outside of my property or are they just looking at choppers?
Jack, I have never had any type of RC plane, but it my understanding that RC planes fall under the UAV category now and would require registration if it is over a half pound. That goes for on your property or not. The open air above your property is not yours, it is controlled by the FAA. The registration is an easy $5 registration that will cover all of your aircraft as long as you are flying as a hobbyist. If you decide to do any commercial work, then you would need to get a "license" which is actually a Remote Pilot Certificate. Here is my video about registration in 2018. ruclips.net/video/CZ3XaMLgCOY/видео.html
Jay Malone so much for a free country. Thanks for the headsup soon i will need a rc license to use my rc trucks on my property because the government doesn't want to take money from the rich when they can get so easily from the regular citizens of this so called free nation. You got my subscription and thanks again.
I didn’t even know it’s against the law to fly a drone at national parks! I was planning on getting my son a drone for his birthday. I figured flying over any government building is a no-no, but a park? I guess I’ll have to hit the “like button” on this channel because he just saved me and my son from a 1000.00 dollar ticket. Good grief!
Thank you! I do my best to help! Here is a newer video I posted about the subject. You might find it interesting....and it's shorter :) ruclips.net/video/4Ogeq0zRjR8/видео.html
I think a 9 minute flight time selfie drone shouldn't be regulated like a 27 minute 10+ mile range drone capable of carrying professional grade film equipment.
What makes the difference? Some of the smaller selfie drones are very loud and the safety isn't as reliable on them. I have heard of a lot more battery failures and crashes with the smaller drones. The Mavic Pro, Phantom, and the likes are much more reliable and safe.
Jay Malone the difference is range and flight time. A crash at your feet getting a selfie or a burst of shots in a 360 while in a 10 meter radius of the user does not have the same potential to disturb wildlife or cause property damage, especially from a sub-250 gram unit.
Jay, great videos! I am thinking of purchasing a Phantom 4 PRO or an INSPIRE 2 for real estate work in the next few months. I was wondering what you thought about the two products? Thanks for all your videos, I have learned a lot!
I’ve never personally flown either one of those. But I think either one would be a great tool for real estate. I have heard some people say that the inspire was a little more difficult to fly....but still not too bad. I’m anxious to see what DJI has coming out next. Thank you so much for watching and commenting!
Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. I am in the decision process right now, I've got plenty of time to research more and see what else they come out with. DJI has some impressive drones! Just want to say its interesting what you can see and capture when you are way up high and not making any sound.
Felt compelled to go on the NPS website and look up Florida. To my delight, my local parks are not National Parks. Also, what caught my curiosity is that Fort DeSoto, while listed on the NPS website, is not listed as a national park. It is a National Memorial, could this be a loophole of sorts? There are other subcategories such as National Seashore, National Monument and national Preserve, aside from those listed as national parks.
Well, you just admitted that you committed the act. I'd change my story because they can still get you. You just admitted on RUclips that you did this.
Just looked up Minnesota. Mississippi is designated National Park from Elk River all the way to Twin Falls. 72 Miles! That's a little over kill. Do you know, if you launch and land from outside the park does it still get you in trouble?
So great for you to ask! Go to my channel and click on videos. See my video that I just uploaded. Or click here :) ruclips.net/video/4Ogeq0zRjR8/видео.html
Actually, by Federal Law, (FAA regulations, not NPS), you are allowed to fly a drone in a National Park, as long as you follow CFR Part 107 federal regulations. The restriction on flights in NPs is that you CANNOT TAKEOFF or LAND a Drone within a NP. In other words, you have to launch your drone outside of the NP boundary and land outside the NP boundary.
You are not correct, the list on nps.gov is the list of national park sites which includes national parks. Look at the type of site listed above the name, if it doesn’t say national park, the restriction does not apply.
That is correct....but I'm not sure what I said that makes you think otherwise. I stated that you can find the parks listed on the NPS site. I never said it was only parks listed there.
Jay Malone What you said that was confusing was that you checked multiple websites all of which said it was not a national park and you only found out moments before you uploaded your video that it was listed on the nps website. Wikipedia has all 59 national parks listed. If the location you were at was not on Wikipedia, than it’s not a national park therefore not restricted from drone use by the national park drone ban. The video should have directed pilots to the B4UFLY app which contains a complete and dynamic list of restricted areas.
Well, hate to be argumentative at all. But the location that I am referring to is 100% a National PARK. And it is 100% NOT listed on that Wikipedia page. And I now recommend the AirMap app, it is a lot better than B4UFLY. The only issue was, I didn't check the app before I got there. Once I got there, no service. And yes the park shows up on the AirMap app.
Dude, they have these things called search warrants whereby the govt may be able to gain access to your computer and/or other media devices if they have probable cause to believe evidence of a crime may be found... maybe you should reconsider this video. Defense attorney here.
Great story Jay. Thank you for sharing. I am going to share your video with the Part 107 prep class I teach. We have been discussing waivers and areas where we are allowed to fly. So glad that you were able to stop the upload before it finished. Thanks again. BTW, I respect the Park System ban on drone flights. I wish they would make it easier to find information concerning how to obtain special permission for the areas where drone flights are allowed.
That's great! I'm happy to help others avoid a mistake! :) And I agree with you. They should make it easier! I plan to share a new video really soon with a "hidden" NPS document that was shared with me the other day when I talked to the NPS. :)
In my home town there are no posted signs in any parks or on the city web site telling you that you can not fly. It is illegal to fly in any city park. Ticket trap!
Nice video. But, I really have an interesting question for you Jay Malone. Is it illegal to fly the drone above National Park? Or it is illegal to share the footage on RUclips that taken on National Park? In another work, on this video, you admit that you went to a national park on your city and flight your drone there and shoot video! Till here, is it legal or illegal? Why NPS.gov did not charge you a fine after watching this video that you admit you were there using your drone? They charged the other guy because he uploaded to RUclips, not because he was using his drone there! So, I can go to any national park and enjoy my drone and taking footage and I will be fine as long as I am not going to upload it to RUclips or anywhere else! Is that correct?
No, the actual illegal part is flying in the national park. Could the NPS take me to court over it? sure....can they prove it?....eh not so much. :) The good thing is that I was not caught or even spotted flying in the park. I take the risk of being taken to court....to help people not make the same mistake.
Some of the forests are not restricted. I would recommend using the AirMap app and plan ahead in case you have no cell service :) Here is my video about the app! ruclips.net/video/XmsmuqRYcGw/видео.html
After a 40 year career with the National Park Service, my father-in-law said he was glad to have gotten out before it became what it is today. Now, let's talk about that career. From clerk to wildlife, from cannonball circuit and Rocky Mountain, Glacier and McKinley/Denali to Developer and Supervisor, Charles Peterson served them well. We asked him "What has the NPS become that you find so bad?" The old gentleman paused a second and said "It has become a Police State." From my own experience, i can tell you an education in "law enforcement" is one of the faster routes to a career in any of the Federal Outdoor Recreation and Natural Resource agencies. Charles Peterson has been gone these last 20 years, but I can still recall the sadness in his voice. It hasn't gotten any better. The National Park Service remains a Police State. I know, everybody is "just doing their jobs." And there are a lot of good people out there ... I've worked with many of them. But there is something deeply, systemically wrong that has metastasized in our Government, our Culture, our Society, our national (lack of) conscience. John Muir, Gifford Pinchot, Lewis & Clark, and the Hanging Judge Isaac Parker would be revolted. Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Lincoln and Davis, Grant and Lee, would cry at what we've done with their sacrifice. I have no words.
So, people are expected to pay a tax (yes, that is what it is) to the federal/national government to "register" a drone, but then cannot fly that drone in a national park? Seems legit.
They cited heeyum for $1000? Also, why did you go through all that research about national parks instead of just googling the park you were interested in?
You're also not allowed to fly within "wilderness areas" of national forests. You're also not allowed to fly in many state parks. It's not always easy to find the information, you have to dig deep to find the information. Private property is ok if you own it or have permission of the property owner, assuming you're not too close to an airport.
You are correct, some State Parks do not allow drones. As far as private property goes, people own their land and up to the roof of their house/building but they don't own the airspace, so flying over private property at a reasonable height really isn't against the law. There are some states that have specified certain heights. I seen some state say you had to be above 10 ft above personal property!!! I think I would be well above that! lol
A couple of years ago there was a lost hiker in Colorado. The area he was in was very remote and in a wilderness area. Some drone pilots offered to volunteer their services to help find the missing hiker. They were not allowed to fly because it was a wilderness area. Winter storm then came in and I don't think the hiker survived. I am not saying the drone pilots would have found him but I sure don't see the harm in letting them try.
What do you think about this National Park Service Rule? Also, check out the US Army Ban On DJI Drones! ruclips.net/video/LimZVvr_ZYQ/видео.html
If someone is reckless then fine them. If someone is disturbing the peace take appropriate action.
That is sufficient.
The control freaks running the Nany state will take as much freedom from the people that they can. Government of the people, by the people, and for the people used to mean something.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Your public service announcement is a better deterrent to illegal flying in US National Parks than any fine. I think the rule is silly. I think that a putting in a fee based permit system that allows for flying under certain conditions and safety guidelines is the best way to go. Until the rule is changed the rule breakers stand in the way of changes being made. As for the Army ban on Dji Drones - I'm behind it. Dji is arguably the best consumer technology around, but for military use I think the systems need to be proprietary, secure, and made in the USA.
Thanks for sharing your experience. Your public service announcement is a better deterrent to illegal flying in US National Parks than any fine. I think the rule is silly. I think that a putting in a fee based permit system that allows for flying under certain conditions and safety guidelines is the best way to go. Until the rule is changed the rule breakers stand in the way of changes being made. As for the Army ban on Dji Drones - I'm behind it. Dji is arguably the best consumer technology around, but for military use I think the systems need to be proprietary, secure, and made in the USA.
How about designated federal wilderness area?
I think you'e lonely and pathetic
Hello from from Utah (13 National Park administrated areas)! Thanks for this informative video. I personally believe if a pilot is a FAA cert. Drone pilot, he or she should be able to obtain a permit for certain periods of time (and/or areas) that could be designated for such use of the park. The parks belong to us all and drone photographers should have access.
That is kinda my feelings. I think pilots that go to the trouble of becoming Part 107 licensed pilots, would respect the area. :)
Jay Malone Exactly! I am a firm believer in respecting other's privacy and safety when it comes to flying. If the National Park Service could adopt policies that are drone friendly, as to when and under what circumstances you can fly, I would be all for it.
John Poen Could you please post the areas in Utah or put up a link of them? I know the five NP's of course, but am curious what the other 8 are. Thank you from a fellow Utahn!
utah wanderlust700 I can't find the exact article that I read, but remembered that many were State Parks or Monuments. Check out stateparks.utah.gov/?s=Drones for some recent limited use regulations info. Good luck!
John Poen Thank you!
No drone rule are bullshit. "WE The People" own those parks and not a one of us had the chance to vote on the bill.
This freaking country is dead!
Those of us who are old enough walk around with our memories of America, the rest walk around with their illusions of it.
I hear you, felt the same way, and I wasn't even born here, sad.
Pretty much. It keeps getting worse every year.
Haha even truer today
I'm 72. The problem is simply too many people. Our fellow younger drone fliers have no idea how free the 50s & 60s were. Nobody had a cell phone camera. Imagine that. We were lucky to have lived in those years!
The “country is dead”??? Really? I will tell you what Conservatives/Republicans said to anybody that protested the Vietnam War (my era) - “If you don’t like things in the Country, then you are free to leave”. Bye, bye.
It’s illegal to fly in a national park, in the city, in the wilderness, in the forest, in the desert. I’m annoyed by this tbh because there is great spots to fly in but you can’t because it’s “illegal “
No running jumping swimming playing or drone flying, have fun, it's your park.
I feel that drones should be allowed in national parks as long as the drone pilot can show he or she is registered with the FAA and flies with in the rules.
That's my feelings too! :)
why register....stupid
Hi. New flyer here. The NPS web site lists battlefields, trails and monuments by state which are NOT National Parks. Do you know if drone flights are banned in these areas as well?
Here is a video about a couple of documents that might help you!! ruclips.net/video/4Ogeq0zRjR8/видео.html
Yep. They pretty much ban anything - look at airmap.com, it will show you what locations are a no-no.
the moral of the story is don’t upload your drone footage of national parks to youtube. or just don’t mention anything about the location of the shoot.
or throw out our government and follow the constitution.
...or use FB / Instagram stories that are gone in 24 hours! LOL
Too much government regulation.
Pretty much truth!
Ron Morris Amen brother!
Agreed !!!
It's all about money
I think as much as I would love to fly in these places it is for the best. Height limits are for the safety of manned aircrafts and the restriction in parks is for preserving the nature. Still so many other places to fly if we view it positivity
They try to own and put regulations on the most beautiful natural places.They can easily take our FAA registration # and charge us $5.00 or $10.00 for flying in the park.I would gladly pay it and so would a lot of other pilots.
Im a drone pilot, and i reluctantly agree with the no fly zones over national parks.i once had an esc burn up midflight with absolutely no warning, i maintain my drones to keep them near perfect condition(as close to perfect as possible) i always replace questionable motors, i use quality batteries, new props etc.. but sometimes they just blow up, and to have that happen 1 or several miles deep in a national forest would truely be a disaster. Its a shame that we have to sacrifice cool videos for safety, but i get it, i dont want a bunch of firefighters risking their lives cus my battery sparks out over jellystone park.
I am going to the grand canyon next month for the first time. I was excited to get a drone, for work and recreational use, to use there and found out it was illegal to use in a national park.. so sad. I think if you have the drone registered with the FAA and are a responsible user of the drone it should be fine to use a drone.
Yes, they should have a way to allow for a day permit or something. They could control the amount of drones that way.
Of course without regulation, drone flying in state parks could get out of control. But I don't believe banning them all together is the answer. How about just make it necessary to apply for a permit. Then that way drone usage could be kept at a set limit and those granted permits would have to learn some basic rules that would make sure they would fly them responsibly and not be too careless. Perhaps they would be required to pass a test and obtain a license. Much the same as how we get a driver's license. Of course these rules would have to be specific and reasonable. I'd have to write a lot more to get into that. But this is just a general idea of the top of my head. It may or may not be the best. The downside I could see to this, would be the State or the Govt. abusing this for profit as they are often known to do. They could easily just jack the fee's up way too high, and that's not the purpose I had in mind. But realistically, I'd be surprised if they didn't do this. Just look how much we pay to the DMV for all of their fee's. Like 'non-op'! That fee is pointless and just abusive ( for lack of a better word ). Why should we pay a yearly fee for a car we own that just sits in our garage? Okay I'm getting off subject here so I'll end on that note.
Thanks for commenting! Yeah, I think since Part 107 pilots have already paid, and passed an extensive test already, that Part 107 pilots should be able to basically give the National Park Service your license number, your aircraft registration number, and date of flying there. With that information, they would be able to contact the correct person if they found something damaged or disturbed. That's my current idea of solving this! :)
Just the thought of what our quads are made of should clue everyone in on why you shouldn't fly in a national park, or reserve. I dont know of any animals that like to eat lipo batteries and carbon fiber lol. You are doing a movie then you should have a flight path and team to be able to track your quad for recovery just in case of a failure to return etc. Good topic thanks for the vid.
Prop Dusty that’s a good point that you make. It is on all of us as quad pilots to respect the rules and the wildlife that inhabit the areas we love to explore. Parks are parks for a reason ,and we have to respect that and hopefully,understand the governments reasons for making areas protected places. As a photographer I’m allowed to photograph wild protected areas, sometimes that just has to be enough. Sometimes it’d be nice to be a bird... but alas...I’m not ;)
I do think we should be responsible, even with a downed drone. One point that has been brought up in another comment thread on here....I can find an area less than 2 miles from my house that has more wildlife per sq ft than possibly any national park.....but that area is fair game for me to fly in/over. So, I should be just as concerned flying over all areas as I would be flying over a national park.
A license is when the government steals one of your rights & sells it back to you. I'm against the ban.
Sir, this is the National park Service and we need you to mail your drones to us at once.
Sure...what address?
No flying in National Parks is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of. Probably the one place it is safest to fly and avoid people/property. Darwin Award to the law makers on this one.
I appreciate your input!
I don't think congress is to blame for this one. I believe it just a "rule" that the NPS has come up with. Would like to see someone challenge them in court. These government "Agencies" are getting out of control. Congress and the Senate are the lawmakers, they need to get off their lazy ass's and sort this crap out.
The problem is with the FFA. If you allowed every Joe shmoe to fly in parks you could possibly affect wild life. Imagine every day dozens of drones in the sky might frightened birds off that might be food for another spices and so forth. The FFA is under staffed and now has to deal with uas that's hard.
No flying IN the parks, but if you are positioned OUTSIDE the park, you can fly over without being arrested. There is a video of Devils Tower.
I couldn't disagree with you more. Keep the drones out of our National Parks! I am in Yellowstone every year, and there have been several incidents with illegal drone flying, with one even damaging Grand Prismatic Spring. Keep our parks natural, not with some buzzing over my head and disturbing the wildlife. And yes, I am an amateur photographer - drones have no place in National Parks.
I just bought a Phantom 4 Advanced and I am getting ready to register with the faa. I own my own business as an electrical contractor and want to take pics of my own projects for advertising my company. (Not photo for hire) Should I register as recreational or commercial in your opinion? Thank you
(Disclaimer: I will answer to the best of my ability, but I am not affiliated with the FAA or any educational organization. I encourage you to call your local FAA office or other organization that regulates airspace for civil aviation in your country.)
I would think that you would need to obtain your Part 107 Remote Pilot Certificate, then register as commercial. The work you are planning to do is definitely considered commercial by the FAA. But registering isn't enough. You do need to get your Remote Pilot Certificate.
Here is a video that I have giving a little more information about how I went about it. ruclips.net/video/u4bUkwsXaNg/видео.html
You need to register as commercial.
Should be left up to each park. Maybe parks could have “drone zones”
I agree. I also think that permits could be issued. Only so many per park, per day.
Godd idea I was thinking this and was going to talk to the state parks to to see where drones could be flown despite they highly discourage
So just for clarity. You cannot fly in a national park but you CAN fly in a national forrest correct?
To my understanding....that is correct. Crazy thing is...you can talk to two different people at the NPS and get different answers! lol
Jay Malone - I'm new to this whole drone thing & so far the most frustrating thing has been trying to figure out the laws & rules. They change so much state by state & it would be to have some uniform standards & rules.
I know there is a Drone Handbook that was put out. I need to get it & read into it a little more.
I feel it's an over reach of the government, also a mistake on the national parks. Drones take beautiful footage, and this would be a great way for national parks to get some free advertisement. They can easily look back at last year's slow months and open those days to drone flights.
Excuse me, but you didn't mention consulting B4UFly or AirMap or even an aeronautical chart, as part of your pre-flight homework. Why?
Em&Syl 266 -- Let me ask you, would you like to be one of the 500 people waiting around Old Faithful for it to erupt, while 5 drones fly over your head? OK, what about 20 drones? The NPS has a legitimate need to prevent drone use in crowded places for safety and in other places to prevent disturbance of wildlife and without prohibitions and the fines that go with it you and I know that way too many yahoos would fly over your head and chase wildlife. It is unfortunate, however, that every square inch of every National Park is off limits as there are many places that are not frequented by many visitors and have no unusual wildlife factors that would otherwise justify prohibitions and in those places it should be permissible to fly a drone. But, sitting around Old Faithful or hiking a trail in Yosemite is not one of the places the NPS should permit drone flights.
Raptorman0909 actually, a trail in Yosemite would be perfect-for a short ranged selfie drone to get a couple of shots of the hiker and a burst of photos in a 360 before landing. Short up, shoot, and down.
Even the < 0.55 kg selfie drones are forbidden in these areas.
Oh yeah, drones would be perfect to catch great shots in a lot of places EXCEPT that there are risks when around people and the FAA and other agencies in other parts of the world expressly forbid flying over people. In addition, the joy in places like Yosemite are built on being in NATURE and the buzzing of drones kind of impedes that. Notice I said drones, plural, because that's what you would have -- if one is allowed then hundreds will be there. Sorry, but in the built up areas where larger numbers of people go there MUST be NO drones PERIOD! I should add that I own 2 drones and as I've already said I think there should be areas within most/many National Parks that are open to drones but in the areas where people or wildlife are common NO DRONES!
Raptorman0909 the biggest problem with that argument is that wildlife is everywhere, even urban areas. Don't believe me? Check out NYC's coyotes. Note that I said ON A TRAIL-away from others.
Read the whole entry.
Drones over people is a privacy issue, if you're in public you're fair game.
Is there a difference between state parks and national? Can I fly on a state park
Yes, some state parks allow it....some do not. You should check with the state park.
So civilians cannot fly a drone over the national parks highlighting the majestic beauty and scenery but the current Administration can open these lands up to OIL drilling ( for free, of course). Sorry to bring politics into this. But it needs to be said.
One of them makes them money ...... :(
You’re an idiot. Drilling is not allowed in any National Park.
BTW line of sight is different than out of sight..... It can be out of sight yet still in your line of site. As long as there is nothing blocking your eyes in a straight line to the drone, then it's in your line of sight, whether or not it's out of view.
Who owns the national parks? Huh, makes you wonder.
Trump
Papa Trump
If you're going to upload illegal flight footage, make a ghost youtube account that doesn't get back to you.
FIRST. My professional pilot side. I fly commercially and have for years. I am more than a little familiar with the FAA, their regulations, why they have them, and how to comply with them. Having said that, as a pilot of a jet we are cruising below 10,000 at 250 knots unless under a Class B. Then it is below 200. Either way having some unlicensed person who just unboxed their new drone ABOVE the 400 foot altitude rule really does put me and my passengers at risk. At speeds a slow as 130 knots on our final approach for landing, we are just NOT going to see a UAS like a DJI Phantom 4 Pro. However we would cage an engine if one happens to find its way into the air intake. SO there are reasons for all the rules that the FAA has put out. Consider these the good ol days. There will be more regulation coming I promise.
SECOND My professional UAS pilot side. Most of the UAS regulations that are there are because of stupidity. Just like they are for us in the Commercial Airline/Private Jet world. So if you are new to all of this, you must recognize EARLY ON that you now own a Federally Recognized Aircraft and you will be responsible for it. Whether you know the regulations, state, and local laws etc. So that is why there are the regulations for us all out there that fall under Department of Transportation Federal Aviation Administration.
THIRD here is my opinion. Just as I am afforded many privileges as an Airline Transport Pilot, or ATP, I really sincerely think very strongly, that the FAA needs to start affording those of us with the FAR part 107 certification, more privileges. It works in the big aircraft world it needs to work here too. The problem is that the FAA is short of manpower. I believe this will become the case in the future I really do.
On National Parks. YEP and yep. I totally think this is an area for improvement for both the Park Service and the FAA. There are plenty of FAR 107 pilots out there WHO OBTAINED the license so as to be able to fly their UAS for purposes stated here by all the comments. HOWEVER. Folks we are not going to go anywhere if we keep having people perform in a reckless and careless manner. So as people have posted here. Keep up the good work of being within compliance at all times as we fly our drones. As we get more pilots our voice will get larger too.
Some Advice. Recently I called a meeting with our local UAS Drone Inspector for our FSDO, or Flight Standards District Office. That meeting gave me a lot of insight into what the FAA is trying to do establish and what their motives are. They are believe it or not, a whole lot more on our side than they are on the grumpy public. He did let me know that for UAS pilots not respecting compliance that there would be big fines, FAA Action, etc. He stated also that if they look at an individual(s) her were complained about, as, performing proper research, preflight action, and operated safely (Observers, waivers, etc) that he would have a hard time hanging fault if due diligence had been performed.
I would do that. Get some fellow drone pilots in your area and head over to the local FSDO in your area.
So Jay there is my short and concise, answer and opinion to your question. :)
Such a great response! I love hearing the views of others, especially someone who flies commercial as well! Thank you!
I'm in the process of getting my part 107. I informed my uncle about this, a flight instructor. In my particular area the majority of the pilots who received their pilots license, aircraft, received it from him. When I informed him of the questions and areas that the FAA was seeking knowledge, testing and understanding on, the part 107, he was flabbergasted. To quote him, "misuse of an aircraft, is not tolerated, nor for any pilot he taught even thought of. The fact that the FAA is stating that a drone pilot would need to know some of these areas simply shows the total lack of any understanding of what type of aircraft they are dealing with." This comes from a flight instructor of over 40+ years.
Well said! Appreciate that thoughtful comments :-)
Greg Lupinski I’m here to tell you the FAA does know what they’re talking about. A drone can cause major damage, injury, or even death to other individuals. Not to mention the fact that you can go out and buy this drone requires regulation.
Just like anything else I could be proven harmful to individuals. There are regulations that govern that. The reason there are regulations to govern such is to provide the best possible outcome for all people involved.
I happen to not only fly under an FAA Air Transport Pilot cert., I too am a FAA CFI, CFII, CFMEI. As well as an FAA 107 pilot. I commanded a Remote Pilot UAS Detatchment in the United States Army backing up air Defense artillery.
I have a BS degree in Aerospace.
I happen to disagree with your uncle’s assessment. The FAA controls the air space over the United States of America. And even though things are disorganized at the moment as time goes forward they will become streamlined.
The folks in the FAA or most of them anyway that are heading up the UAS areas, our 107 pilots themselves and have been Remote Pilots for years.
To simply state that they don’t understand meaning the FAA what a UAS/drone aircraft is is telling that your uncle may not quite understand the FAA. At least as far UAS and the FAA are concerned.
There are changes coming almost on a monthly basis some of them for the better and some that still need final edits, two weeks, and input from the UAS community.
So stay well-informed and compliant and I think all of this will work out for the better just give it some time and have some patience..
If drone flying over 400 ft were a problem, then how many more thousands of birds the size of a drone would be problems? If birds aren't a problem, no way drones could be a problem. If drones were the problem the FAA wanted us to think, airliners would be in danger everyday due to some birds that are even bigger and fly thousands of feet in the air.
The NPS oversees several areas that are not listed as "National Parks:" National Monuments, National Memorials, National Historic Sites, National Historic Trails, , National Recreation Areas, National Historic Parks, etc. For example, the NPS website lists 24 areas ran by NPS in AZ but only 3 are technically "National Parks." Could the "park" you flew over be one of these? Does the rule include these other areas?
You have a great comment and I have created a video about that! ruclips.net/video/4Ogeq0zRjR8/видео.html
Thanks! I'm thinking about taking the Part 107 test soon.
You're welcome. I passed my test on the first try, but I did go through some online training first....I'm very glad that I did!
Thanks for the vid Jay. Best to share experiences like that, thanks. 5:25 "never trust wikipedia"....I totally agree....My suggestion for anyone researching before flying is use government and local authority sources, as the info they publish has to go through a checking procedure beforehand.
You are right! So glad to have you watching and commenting!
Can I fly my drone in the city park?
You should first make sure that you are in Class G airspace and then make sure your city does not have a restriction on drone flights.
Check out the Airmap App to make sure you are ok as far as Airspace goes. If it is a small city...you are probably ok to fly!
My city park was outside the city with beautiful mountains and river that’s all I want to know Bcuz I’m New pilot I just got my first drone right now. By the way I love your explanation on drone rules and thank you 🙏 God bless our hobbies drone flying
What about nyc
As a licensed UAV operator I have to say I see both sides of this. If anyone can fly a drone in a federal park then there will be people getting annoyed and perhaps animals being harassed. Not all users are in it for the artistic values. The current rules are OK in my view but I would hope they would allow licensed pilots with honest intent a permit to fly and capture video much as they would a still frame photographer.
Yeah, I think licensed pilots should be able to easily obtain a permit to fly there. Give them your license number and drone registration number. Then if they find something damaged or disturbed later, they would know who to contact! Thanks for commenting!
Generally, when you're using the internet to find information about a specific thing, it helps to actually google the thing.
Did you watch my video?
I think that is a silly law. I personally feel the parks are or should be public. Don't make sense to me.
Mary B agreed
I agree, I know they don't want drones disturbing other people and the wildlife, but me flying 100 ft plus above the ground, shouldn't be disturbing either!
Jay Malone and if your drone should fail and hit me on the head I suppose that's not a concern for you. Public place... rules to protect everyone who wants to be there. Drones as yet do not have certified safety standards and literally anyone can fly one... with no concern for the devices reliability or safety.
Please wear a helmet at the park if you are concerned about the drones. Problem solved. BTW, 20k-80k meteors (>10g) fall to earth each year as a reminder to keep that helmet on everywhere you go.
See, I care about your safety. So now you don't have to slander all drone operators that they don't have a concern for YOU and they have no concern about the device's reliability or safety. I believe they all care very much about not hurting people. And enjoy an expensive photography hobby and want the utmost in reliability and safety.
Sorry I wasn't clear. You only have to wear a helmet when you hear a drone flying overhead and you think it is coming for your head then simply grab the helmet out of your backpack and put it on.
What is nps reason for no drone use? Just curious.
Great question. They really don't lay out specific reasons. People only speculate reasons such as: Lipo battery fire hazard, noise, disturbing wildlife, etc. But as far as I know, those reasons are just speculation!
I think they should give scheduled approval flight plans.
Agreed!
Whoa, Whoa, Whoa... I didn't know I was subscribing to a criminal. You rebel.
Yeah.....it happens to the best of us!!!! lol
You confused. The NPS website list Parks, forests, monuments, trails etc. National parks have flight restrictions, the other do not.
SirPasta117 sorry to disagree but all federal natural areas have restrictions on taking off and landing in these areas.
so what if I used the drone on some national parks and wanted to make a video and I'm NOT a US citizen ( actually, italian). Would I get in trouble?
Well, if you are talking about a US national park then yes.....but there is a little loophole that would allow you to fly over the park, ruclips.net/video/4Ogeq0zRjR8/видео.html
Jay Malone how would they know it was me using the drone? Do they just assume or they need proofs to proceed with legal procedures?
Rappasta well, it would be illegal. But as far as how they would go about proving it was you, I’m not sure. I would say the majority of people get caught while in the park.
Parks belong to mankind in general. Not to some government that takes away your rights to live freely in this world. But there are idiots, the bad guys if you will that ruin things for the masses. So in order to “Serve The Masses” legislation was born. So “National” Parks should belong to.....duh... the nation. To the people, for the people.
And thanks to "some government" we have all the great National Parks to enjoy. Remember, these public lands would not exist without government setting them aside for everyone to enjoy.
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wow you have rocketed in less than a year, gained 11000 subscribers, thats awesome man, only just hit 1000 and no change yet in growing since hitting in the other week
Thanks man! Yeah, this past year has been good for subscriber growth.....just not all of them are active viewers! I could use more of those! lol :)
Jay Malone ha same, I feel only 50-100 of my 1000 are active for me, I wish I got more comments and interaction
Yes, I found it hard to accept that people don't watch all of my videos. But I understand that we always don't have time, or just not always interested in that particular video. I have a handful of channels that I watch all of their videos. For instance, I don't miss a Casey Neistat or Peter McKinnon video! lol But we just have to accept that we will NEVER get everyone watching!
i think it is dumb, would love to see some footage of the buffalo river !
That would be nice!
Can you use a Mavic 2 Pro simply as a 4K video recorder without flying the Drone? And if so, how long would the battery last using it as a standalone camera/video recorder?
You can totally use it standalone. In fact, this thing makes it awesome! amzn.to/2Uz99Up As far as the battery goes. It would last a LOT longer...but I couldn't tell you how long.
So sad that you couldn't upload the video :-(
Interesting, After this incident, did you tell them to put signs of “NO DRONES ARE ALLOWED!!?”
No, but I should have!
Correct me if I am wrong....but you seem to be under the misapprehension that you will only be prosecuted if you show the video on RUclips, the law is "not fly a drone in a National Park", the video evidence is handy, but so is a video of you admitting that you flew your drone in a National Park. In this video you have admitted to breaking the law, why would you do that?????
You know how RUclipsrs are....always making up stuff for the views! lol
Well they can't effectively prosecute him if they don't know which park it was, and he went out of his way to not say that. There's also not a time or date. That would be very difficult indeed to prosecute.
Really? What national park did he admit to flying in? Nothing he said could be used as evidence.
funny thing though, in my area nps.gov does not list one of the parks around me which is a national wildlife refuge? Is that same thing? not that I would fly there anyway however just wanted to confirm on their website what was near me...
Launching, landing, or operating an aircraft to include unmanned aircraft (drone)from or on lands and waters administered by the US Fish and Wildlife Service is prohibited. 50 CFR 27.34.
The National Wildlife Refuge might be governed by the US Fish and Wildlife service, if so, the above rule applies. Try looking on the AirMap App and see what it shows.
thank you. I was just curious as to why it did not show up. I do not intend to push the envelope and fly any where near it. TRUST ME!!!
@@edwinnegron7761 Yeah, the NPS and the US Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) are 2 different organizations.
I known in Illinois and Iowa the 2 states I have spent my life in, you can not be in the park and fly a drone. The main reason is Eagle protection and I respect that because I genuinely love and care about the birds. Especially in the Spring when the new births take place and the birds become highly protective. I do not wish to lose one of my 1400.00 plus investments. However that being said there is a work around for state parks and I have used this. If you are not “in” the park and send your drone in they really can’t touch you. Especially if you are private land and have permission from the owner to be there. I have wanted certain scenes and sites and had rangers follow my drones out of the park to me. They have no authority to legally ticket or arrest you if you meet those criteria. I’ve had so interesting discussions with them but they leave pissed because I’m right. So if your state prohibits you from flying PHYSICALLY in the park go outside get proper permission and and fly. Not saying it will work in your state but it has in IL and IA. Just my 2 cents.
Thanks for your comment! Actually, as far as I know, those are the rules for National Parks. You can't take off or land in a National park. So as you were saying, if you take off and land on another property you can work around the National Park rule. As far as most state parks go, you can fly in them. At least in Arkansas and Missouri. But I know what you are saying about respecting the wildlife, especially those eagles! I am very fond of the eagles! I personally think you should be a licensed pilot and agree to stay clear of any wildlife and fly a minimum of 75ft high. There could be some other requirements, but there should be a way that we could film the beauty of a national park! :)
Right, Period. I do tend to scout out my locations before I fly. I take my good binoclars so I am able to see the life in the trees.
You are right. I'm a certified pilot and have done a lot of research. A lot of jurisdictions across the country have tried to pass anti-drone legislation. The federal courts came out less than a year ago and ruled that only the FAA can control airspace. So as long as you fly within FAA regs they cannot touch you. What they can control is where you take off and land. Most state and federal parks had rules prohibiting you from taking off or landing within there boundaries. They can't do anything if you take off and land outside the park and fly in as long as the airspace is legal.
Hi, I’m a foreign and I’d like to if this rule is valid for all kind of drones. If we use a self drone bellow 0.55 pounds is it allowed?
The rules that I have mentioned are for the US and the FAA. You would need to check with the organization that governs your Civil Aviation in your country.
Certainly fringes on our ability to have free speech. I can go in and with megaphones blaring to all the campers about our political views, but try to preserve images of beauty and serenity gets you shut down and a fine. I do understand that there are some conservation areas, but to close down the entire park, even the public laden areas.... too much governmental interference.
Just a couple of pennies of thought.....
Bart Craytor great input! Thanks so much for chiming in!
Bart Craytor it's easier in the US to purchase a gun at a pawn shop and then wreak havoc on the public than it is to find a place to fly your drone without hassle
nospam1950 truth hurts. If it's false information then explain why it keeps happening? Yet drones terrifying communities aren't making headlines. I'm making the statement that it's ridiculous the amount of strict regulations there are for flying a drone, in contrast with the unbelievably lax rules for firearms. You're living proof that logic is not a characteristic possessed by all people.
Pay attention to my argument. I said it's easier to buy a gun at a pawn shop than to find a place to fly your drone without hassle. In my state of Texas, which has very lenient gun laws, I can be in and out of a store with a handgun. I, being a person with no prior felonies, and more than 18 years of age, can purchase a gun with no waiting period. It's that easy. I, also living in Texas, reside close to parks which do not allow drones, airport airspaces which also do not allow drones, and a neighborhood with an HOA that does not allow drones. So pay attention to what I said, it's easier to buy a gun at a pawn shop, which I can do with no hassle, than to find a place to fly my drone, which is more difficult. You have misunderstood what I've said by thinking that I said it's easier to carry around a gun, which it is not easy to do legally as you still need classes, the qualifications, and a CHL in the state of Texas. Don't worry, no one is here to take your guns, you don't have to freak out Cletus.
nospam1950 I'm sure you've seen the news...tragic. Still waiting on that deadly drone footage from the national park though.
So did you say we can fly in a national park if we re inside with a line of site ? I need help 😕
No you can't. There is one loophole that I talk about in another video! Here it is. ruclips.net/video/4Ogeq0zRjR8/видео.html
I think with the proper rules of not harassing wildlife and keeping a set distance from people, they should be allowed at least on a permit bases (additional revenue) to part 107 holders. If you have gone through the license procedure you have demonstrated that you can and will (at the risk of loosing that license) fly safely and with common sense. As far a noise goes. If you are more than 200 feet from a person either horizontal or vertically, they are not going to hear the drone in the wide opes spaces. Compare that to the noise put out by helicopter tours over some National Parks.
Question.. What has been your experience in AR and MO as far as flying in State parks and Conservation areas? I have not seen signage either at the parks or online. Is it a ask permission or beg forgiveness thing with the parks?
As far as flying in a State Park or conservation area, I haven't actually done so that I am aware of, so I can't really say. If I ended up there on a whim, I would look for any signage stating the rules. If I didn't see anything I would probably fly, if I was in class G airspace. If I knew ahead of time, I would probably call the Park office and try to find out if they have any rules or guidelines concerning drone use.
i wonder if hunting and fishing are considered harassing wildlife?? If you can hunt or fish in any park, you should be able to fly your drone. Actually how about you should be able to fly a drone anywhere you are allowed to carry a gun!
Another idiot who thinks enthusiasts who spend thousands of dollars
On a Multi-rotor of any model... are interested in buzzing deer or wildlife
We spend money on or build our own MULTI-ROTORS...
To develop skills and engineer technology... not chase wildlife
I wonder if they would prosecute a kid flying one of those tiny $20 toy drones that fit in the palm of your hand.
Good question....I would say that they would take a hard look at the age of the child and the responsible party...parents?
Any authority that would even think of prosecuting a child for a toy has obviously had their prefrontal cortex removed. In other words...the're retarded.
I think a few common sense restrictions are OK. Places like campgrounds or very crowded areas, Old Faithful in Yellowstone for example. But a out and out band is nonsense. Out here in the west the Federal Government is seizing and controlling more and more land, with more and more restrictions on usage.
Agreed! Thanks for commenting!
Remember if you're going to fly don't register your drone in case you lose it.
I agree with the parks on this one. Some of the more crowded spaces you'd have everyone with their drones in the air at one time. That would ruin the views and the sounds of nature. Just go and enjoy the views with your eyes and not through the camera on your drone. Even as a drone owner I would hate standing there looking at a view and hear a drone go flying by.
Thanks for commenting!!
I fly quads to an I totally agree
I feel the same way about radios, motorhomes and motorcycles. Outlaw 'em I say because my feelings trump all others rights.
Agreed.
I've been flying for almost a year and have NEVER seen another drone while I was flying. It is a massively overstated potential "problem".
This guy didn't do ENOUGH research. Most State Parks don't allow drone flights either, except if they have a RC field for flying planes, heli's and what not.
If you can take your camera being it camera phone or SLR camera you should let people fly their droves there.
We have too much busy-body government in this country. I'm all for legislation to correct this.
Your iphone or camera can't fly to disturb people and wildlife. Parks are for people to enjoy and relax. They also can't fall out of the sky from pilot error/mechanical malfunction - land on a human or animal and injure or kill. Also, a crashed drone can potentially cause a forest fire....do I need to go on? Jeez. These things I mentioned are a few of the reasons parks are NFZ.
Wikipedia is probably the worst site for getting accurate info
True....lesson learned! :)
It is illegal to fly a drone in a National Park because the government doesn't want to be video recorded while they abduct innocent hikers and vacationers in the parks, which they've been doing for about 100 years now. National Parks are extremely dangerous places and should probably be avoided anyway. Check out David Paulides videos and, or Rusty West's YT channel for more info.
LOL.
You do realize that by posting this confession video, you have made the NPS aware of your drone activites - in the same way if you had just uploaded your original video...
What video? :)
more governmet control is all it is
I fly mine on my property due to all the bull crap. I keep my height under 200 ft just because it is easier to see. But what makes a multicopter a drone? I own 2 flame wheel 550s with removable cameras and 1 phantom 3 w/none removable camera. The way i see it if i fly any of these without the camera it isn't a drone. Do you agree?
No sorry, a drone or (UAV) does not have to have a camera at all. It has nothing to do with what you capture with a camera. It is all about the aircraft. People call them drones quadcopter, multicopter, etc.....but really they are just all UAVs.
Jay Malone good to know. It was much more fun to fly these before people started using them the wrong way. I also have electric sail planes with removable cameras they have a ten foot wing span. Would i need a license to fly them outside of my property or are they just looking at choppers?
Jack, I have never had any type of RC plane, but it my understanding that RC planes fall under the UAV category now and would require registration if it is over a half pound. That goes for on your property or not. The open air above your property is not yours, it is controlled by the FAA. The registration is an easy $5 registration that will cover all of your aircraft as long as you are flying as a hobbyist. If you decide to do any commercial work, then you would need to get a "license" which is actually a Remote Pilot Certificate. Here is my video about registration in 2018. ruclips.net/video/CZ3XaMLgCOY/видео.html
Jay Malone so much for a free country. Thanks for the headsup soon i will need a rc license to use my rc trucks on my property because the government doesn't want to take money from the rich when they can get so easily from the regular citizens of this so called free nation. You got my subscription and thanks again.
I hope that you have some of your help
What about National Forest? Same thing?
So what are they hiding in national parks
We will never know! :)
I didn’t even know it’s against the law to fly a drone at national parks! I was planning on getting my son a drone for his birthday. I figured flying over any government building is a no-no, but a park? I guess I’ll have to hit the “like button” on this channel because he just saved me and my son from a 1000.00 dollar ticket. Good grief!
Thank you! I do my best to help! Here is a newer video I posted about the subject. You might find it interesting....and it's shorter :) ruclips.net/video/4Ogeq0zRjR8/видео.html
So they can drill oil on National Parks but not fly a drone?
I’m thinking of getting. Drone but can I drive and legal one so I can fly it?
To stay up to date on drone laws, I highly recommend you subscribing to Russ at 51 Drones ruclips.net/channel/UCTFq5NuT2iFZ1ROe7lpr8eg
I think a 9 minute flight time selfie drone shouldn't be regulated like a 27 minute 10+ mile range drone capable of carrying professional grade film equipment.
What makes the difference? Some of the smaller selfie drones are very loud and the safety isn't as reliable on them. I have heard of a lot more battery failures and crashes with the smaller drones. The Mavic Pro, Phantom, and the likes are much more reliable and safe.
Jay Malone the difference is range and flight time. A crash at your feet getting a selfie or a burst of shots in a 360 while in a 10 meter radius of the user does not have the same potential to disturb wildlife or cause property damage, especially from a sub-250 gram unit.
Couldnt you post the video without acknowledging filming it?
What video? :)
Jay Malone right!
Jay, great videos! I am thinking of purchasing a Phantom 4 PRO or an INSPIRE 2 for real estate work in the next few months. I was wondering what you thought about the two products? Thanks for all your videos, I have learned a lot!
I’ve never personally flown either one of those. But I think either one would be a great tool for real estate. I have heard some people say that the inspire was a little more difficult to fly....but still not too bad. I’m anxious to see what DJI has coming out next. Thank you so much for watching and commenting!
Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. I am in the decision process right now, I've got plenty of time to research more and see what else they come out with. DJI has some impressive drones!
Just want to say its interesting what you can see and capture when you are way up high and not making any sound.
What exactly is the reasoning behind this rule.
Felt compelled to go on the NPS website and look up Florida. To my delight, my local parks are not National Parks.
Also, what caught my curiosity is that Fort DeSoto, while listed on the NPS website, is not listed as a national park. It is a National Memorial, could this be a loophole of sorts? There are other subcategories such as National Seashore, National Monument and national Preserve, aside from those listed as national parks.
Well, you just admitted that you committed the act. I'd change my story because they can still get you. You just admitted on RUclips that you did this.
Sean's DIY & Reviews he also stated that he called them and confessed, therefore he apologized for assuming it was not a national park.
Yeah, after talking to them...I'm not too worried. Besides all I have to do is say that I made up the story! lol
The size of your national parks, I have no idea why this is an illegal practice.
This is true!
Anything you want to do - it’s probably illegal.
martin savage apart from owning a gun
I hope they still give you a ticket
Thanks for your comment!
Just looked up Minnesota. Mississippi is designated National Park from Elk River all the way to Twin Falls. 72 Miles! That's a little over kill. Do you know, if you launch and land from outside the park does it still get you in trouble?
So great for you to ask! Go to my channel and click on videos. See my video that I just uploaded. Or click here :) ruclips.net/video/4Ogeq0zRjR8/видео.html
Moral of the story - don’t look at Wikipedia if you are looking for facts
Lol! I typed that while watching then you said it - hehe
lol, yep it's true! Thanks for watching by the way!!!
A recorded confession.
Or a made-up story just to get RUclips views.....hmmmm how will we ever know? :)
Actually, by Federal Law, (FAA regulations, not NPS), you are allowed to fly a drone in a National Park, as long as you follow CFR Part 107 federal regulations. The restriction on flights in NPs is that you CANNOT TAKEOFF or LAND a Drone within a NP. In other words, you have to launch your drone outside of the NP boundary and land outside the NP boundary.
Yes this is correct. By the way, the NPS will discourage this idea, but it is still correct.
You are not correct, the list on nps.gov is the list of national park sites which includes national parks. Look at the type of site listed above the name, if it doesn’t say national park, the restriction does not apply.
That is correct....but I'm not sure what I said that makes you think otherwise. I stated that you can find the parks listed on the NPS site. I never said it was only parks listed there.
Jay Malone What you said that was confusing was that you checked multiple websites all of which said it was not a national park and you only found out moments before you uploaded your video that it was listed on the nps website. Wikipedia has all 59 national parks listed. If the location you were at was not on Wikipedia, than it’s not a national park therefore not restricted from drone use by the national park drone ban. The video should have directed pilots to the B4UFLY app which contains a complete and dynamic list of restricted areas.
Well, hate to be argumentative at all. But the location that I am referring to is 100% a National PARK. And it is 100% NOT listed on that Wikipedia page. And I now recommend the AirMap app, it is a lot better than B4UFLY. The only issue was, I didn't check the app before I got there. Once I got there, no service. And yes the park shows up on the AirMap app.
Dude, they have these things called search warrants whereby the govt may be able to gain access to your computer and/or other media devices if they have probable cause to believe evidence of a crime may be found... maybe you should reconsider this video. Defense attorney here.
What about flying around home like under 30 feet at a max and not more than 100 meters away?
As long as you are in class G airspace...you should be ok.
Jay Malone how do i find that out?
nbl23 check out this video about the app I use. ruclips.net/video/XmsmuqRYcGw/видео.html
Great story Jay. Thank you for sharing. I am going to share your video with the Part 107 prep class I teach. We have been discussing waivers and areas where we are allowed to fly. So glad that you were able to stop the upload before it finished. Thanks again.
BTW, I respect the Park System ban on drone flights. I wish they would make it easier to find information concerning how to obtain special permission for the areas where drone flights are allowed.
That's great! I'm happy to help others avoid a mistake! :)
And I agree with you. They should make it easier! I plan to share a new video really soon with a "hidden" NPS document that was shared with me the other day when I talked to the NPS. :)
I don't not want to hear or see drones when I'm hiking or camping.
I don't want to have hikers or campers ruining my videos.
lol
Seems like there are less and less places we can fly. I feel bad about spending close to 2K on a drone.
There are several places that are restricted.....but also several good places to fly!!!! :)
Thanks for spelling this out. Come and see what we fly!
You're welcome!
I think it makes total sense banning drones from flying over parks--state, provincial and national.
Your national park policy is ridiculous. In Britain the national parks welcome drones to advertise them.
Yes Dave, I think it should be allowed.
your not allowed to fly drones in national parks in britain without permission
In my home town there are no posted signs in any parks or on the city web site telling you that you can not fly. It is illegal to fly in any city park. Ticket trap!
You would still want to check the airspace to make sure that isn't an issue.
Nice video. But, I really have an interesting question for you Jay Malone. Is it illegal to fly the drone above National Park? Or it is illegal to share the footage on RUclips that taken on National Park? In another work, on this video, you admit that you went to a national park on your city and flight your drone there and shoot video! Till here, is it legal or illegal? Why NPS.gov did not charge you a fine after watching this video that you admit you were there using your drone? They charged the other guy because he uploaded to RUclips, not because he was using his drone there! So, I can go to any national park and enjoy my drone and taking footage and I will be fine as long as I am not going to upload it to RUclips or anywhere else! Is that correct?
No, the actual illegal part is flying in the national park. Could the NPS take me to court over it? sure....can they prove it?....eh not so much. :) The good thing is that I was not caught or even spotted flying in the park. I take the risk of being taken to court....to help people not make the same mistake.
does that mean National Forest to probably
Some of the forests are not restricted. I would recommend using the AirMap app and plan ahead in case you have no cell service :) Here is my video about the app! ruclips.net/video/XmsmuqRYcGw/видео.html
National Park airspace is prohibited. You need a waiver from the FAA which you will not get for National Parks.
The NPS does not control airspace. Only the FAA does. Just as only the FCC controls communications.
On holiday in May Yellowstone and would really love to to take some footage. Any places you recommend that I would be ok?
The drone is about a thousand dollars. Will they trade?
After a 40 year career with the National Park Service, my father-in-law said he was glad to have gotten out before it became what it is today. Now, let's talk about that career. From clerk to wildlife, from cannonball circuit and Rocky Mountain, Glacier and McKinley/Denali to Developer and Supervisor, Charles Peterson served them well. We asked him "What has the NPS become that you find so bad?" The old gentleman paused a second and said "It has become a Police State."
From my own experience, i can tell you an education in "law enforcement" is one of the faster routes to a career in any of the Federal Outdoor Recreation and Natural Resource agencies. Charles Peterson has been gone these last 20 years, but I can still recall the sadness in his voice. It hasn't gotten any better. The National Park Service remains a Police State.
I know, everybody is "just doing their jobs." And there are a lot of good people out there ... I've worked with many of them. But there is something deeply, systemically wrong that has metastasized in our Government, our Culture, our Society, our national (lack of) conscience. John Muir, Gifford Pinchot, Lewis & Clark, and the Hanging Judge Isaac Parker would be revolted. Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Lincoln and Davis, Grant and Lee, would cry at what we've done with their sacrifice. I have no words.
Thanks for sharing!
So, looking for national parks, you didn't go to NPS first?
Where’d you get that shirt bro?
If you're talking about the shirt I am wearing in the video...I probably got it at JCPenny :)
So, people are expected to pay a tax (yes, that is what it is) to the federal/national government to "register" a drone, but then cannot fly that drone in a national park? Seems legit.
Yeah, you are pretty much correct!!
They cited heeyum for $1000? Also, why did you go through all that research about national parks instead of just googling the park you were interested in?
I did. It wasn't showing me much.
You're also not allowed to fly within "wilderness areas" of national forests. You're also not allowed to fly in many state parks. It's not always easy to find the information, you have to dig deep to find the information. Private property is ok if you own it or have permission of the property owner, assuming you're not too close to an airport.
You are correct, some State Parks do not allow drones. As far as private property goes, people own their land and up to the roof of their house/building but they don't own the airspace, so flying over private property at a reasonable height really isn't against the law. There are some states that have specified certain heights. I seen some state say you had to be above 10 ft above personal property!!! I think I would be well above that! lol
A couple of years ago there was a lost hiker in Colorado. The area he was in was very remote and in a wilderness area. Some drone pilots offered to volunteer their services to help find the missing hiker. They were not allowed to fly because it was a wilderness area. Winter storm then came in and I don't think the hiker survived. I am not saying the drone pilots would have found him but I sure don't see the harm in letting them try.