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Why are people moving out of Massachusetts?
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- Опубликовано: 18 авг 2024
- Young people are moving out of Massachusetts at high rates seeking job opportunities, more affordable housing, and more. How is outward migration impacting the state and what could we do to get people to stay? Neil Whitteredge, who recently moved from Massachusetts to North Carolina, joined Crystal Haynes to discuss the pros and cons, along with Boston Indicators Research Associate Peter Ciurczak who added in some key research points.
00:00 - 00:40 Intro
00:40 - 1:50 Why are people leaving?
1:50 - 3:00 The impact on young people
3:00 - 3:50 Out migration in Massachusetts
3:50 - 6:00 Pros and cons
6:00 - 8:05 The housing crunch
8:05 - 11:03 Call to action?
Note: Ciurczak referenced a 2024 Zillow report on median home prices, not a 2022 report as mentioned in the segment.
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Have you left Massachusetts? Tell us why:
I am planning to move. Because of my mom being sick. The rent cost is too much. Land Costs woke politics, and illegal immigrants. Several friends are dead. Worcester is not for me.
Yes, i lived in leominster, commuted to boston. Rent was cheap in leominster, but i didnt enjoy this part of mass. Boston is a boring city and i wanted a better culture. I grew up in Vermont, so I'm used to a high standard of living and people that care about the environment, their communities and good vibes. Mass is good for visiting, cape cod and the vineyard are my fav spots in eastern mass. Berkshires are nice
I left Massachussetts for California.
Here in California I earn $115/hour. Meanwhile working the same job I earn only $45/hour in Massachusetts.
California is expensive. But so is Massachussetts. I still love Massachusetts. But I save more money here in California.
I visit MA often. I missed MA.
But I am happy and thankful to be here in California.
It's the cost of living with rent and land prices, low pay, and low help and assistance with ssi/SSDI, migrants taking over, and not helping already with the ppl that already live in the state, and drugs, not so much the crimes....
The ppl who r on section8, housing base, low income housing, r all struggling, paying more then what housing is supposed to pay for, not giving any housing increase to rent vouchers, the state is going down the drain, and is no longer a common wealth state, it's just sad and makes everyone cry and be depressed, creating more of a mental issue then what there is in Massachusetts...
And the fact that nothing is open late, not even a 24hr Walmart, at least expand places to be open until 3am, not ltr, that would help the state out....
I moved from Massachusetts to Upstate New York for work, to be closer to family, and because of high cost of living. I lived in the greater Boston area for five years. I realized that the area/state was too expensive for me to seriously consider staying.
There’s a lot that I miss about the state. I’ll most certainly return as a visitor, but not as a resident.
I worked in this state for 20 years, I applied for unemployment this year for the first time ever I get $0. Yeah I won't be staying around. That's how much you care about me when I needed help.
Yup they evil
Perhaps they mixed up your file with somebody else?
That’s just wrong !
If you're not an illegal alien you don't get crap when you need it from these Democrats that run this State!!!!!
@@user-ne7zi3ym3b They didn't mix anything up, they just DON'T care about US citizens,only undocumented aliens that will only Vote for candidates with a D next to their name. Wake up people!!!
Left in 2007 moved to NH.
I left because it is Extremely expensive to live there. The amount of taxes you pay isn't worth it. It has crumbling infastructure. Violent crime is out of control. Massachusetts is for Rich liberals. I live a far better life now in NH with no sales tax and no income tax. I make slightly more money per hour in NH.
My family feels safer. Never will I return to that 3rd world state.
‘07 was when my family left Mass too (although I was only 4 years old at the time, I’m now 21.) We moved to Delaware since my dad lost his job and got a new job with his brother in law (and we already had lots of family living in Delaware.) We enjoy no sales tax as well!
Really because NH real-estate taxes are out of control.
They even have a frikin view tax. 🤣🤣🤣🤣😅
NH would be West Virginia without MA economy, talk about a 3rd world state
I’m glad the comments were allowed.
It’s the policies.
Massachusetts is a beautiful state with a fantastic school system, but the politics are ruining everything.
We have no options.
As a Teacher I will be happy to respectfully disagree. The schools are only "so great" because they teach to a standard test. Special Education kids and other kids that can't pass that test take an alternative one and can not get an actual diploma. So when they run data and statistics, MA looks incredibly well educated, but it's all bc their entire curriculum revolves around a test that everyone is forced to pass. Teachers also MUST have a Master's Degree to teach. MA Education is a disaster. Maybe you're lucky in a certain community, but the teacher tests, mandated crap...it's all smoke and mirrors to look super smart, when it's not.
I’m sure you’re right. My teacher friends just like teaching in mass so much more than teaching in RI.
And, I heard the schools were better my whole life.
But, I’m sure Massachusetts schools are just as messed up in their own way.
Inescapable up here.
@@joannahayden9544 Yea I'm not saying here is perfect...Education is a disaster everywhere, sadly. But I've looked it up just to see. I would take a paycut of 50%+! That is CRAZY!! And from here in the desert compared to up there, my area is incredibly cheap especially for California. So if I moved up there today, my salary is slashed in half and the cost of housing would triple.
Extremely corrupt State !
Schools in most areas stink.
I’m leaving Done with Massachusetts . Been here my whole life. It’s not housing or work
It’s the fact that Massachusetts
Is moving in illegal immigrants !
This taxpayer is moving.
Please don’t move south like this guy without considering why you are forced to leave Massachusetts. The cost of housing being prohibitive didn’t happen spontaneously. It’s exactly the politics that made you hesitant to move to NC that make NC affordable versus MA. If you’re too ignorant to understand, politics have economic consequences, keep your destructive policies and your multiple job lifestyle in Boston.
Please don’t ‘colonize’ us and bring your junk politics with you so we can no longer afford housing, either!!
So elitist. Gross.
They're bringing in the illegals likely out of awareness that the lower income educated folks can tag team/couple up or secure bank loans to help foot a moving expense. I hate to sound awful and pessimistic but I think the real reason why the state is invested in these people is to secure people to do the menial, service oriented jobs and at the same time because of the expense to live here, effectively leave them trapped without a way out. They can be blindsided by being given some help like section 8 and other things but really they provide what those in power want but from a populace that's often oblivious or too distressed from their past to notice. It is revolting.
@@hannahwatt6454I agree with you on that one. A lot of the people moving to MA to NC are looking to be the big fish in a little pond situation and imitate the old money up here. I wish this wasn't the case but it's what I'm seeing. In the same sense that the California's that escaped to Texas brought to Texas. They weren't going there to build a comfortable life they went in to lord over their status on the locals and made prices for many unbearable plus brought the snobbery. It's so ridiculous that the first thing I hear from a Masshole going to NC is that they cannot afford Asheville or Wilmington...there's a massive state and so many places to choose from unlike MA that does get limited by space. Why the hell are you just picking the wealthiest, most inaccessible places in the state? They're proving an specific point.
@@hannahwatt6454 I Don’t even
Vote . I always believed it’s rigged.
I want to live in a place where I can
Mind my own business. And people
Mind there’s.
You are the one that is ingnorent .
There are people that want nothing to
Do with your corrupt political system.
I Refuse to waste my time voting in
A corrupt system ! I want to be left
The F alone !
@@hannahwatt6454 NC isn’t much
Better.
Why aren't they talking better about the price of the damn rent, which is getting worse and worse?
Massachusetts is one of the worst states to live in. Too expensive, too many people, too many taxes, terrible politicians and the worst maintained roads in new england
California is way much worse, I lived there, to be fair with you no state is quite good these days, this whole world is fucked.
I am from MA. It's a democratic state. The democratic party is not what it once was, "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country." The liberal agenda is causing much decline but not as bad as CA and NY yet. Thanks mayor Wu for adding all those additional Christmas trees around downtown crossing this past Christmas to cover up all the vacant store fronts. What exceptional leadership. Thank you to the Brookline couple who took in the illegal family into their home. Let's see how that works out once they get used to Brookline and refuse to leave. Thank you, city of Boston for that "wonderful" MLK and wife hands million dollar statue on the common. Looks more like something from a 1970's Penthouse Magazine. Again, mayor Wu, thank you for supporting the businesses on Hanover Street. Imagine the "increase" in customers they will be receiving this summer. Oh, and thank you Governor Healy, it will be so nice having an illegal alien shelter near the Childrens Museum in South Boston if it opens with my tax dollars. Parents will be so pleased about taking their kids there this summer.
You can't complain if you voted for them. Elections have consequences, but I understand your frustration.
Well you voted for them. So go in your corner and cry. Like seriously you really think a Chinese lady would help build the City ?😂😂
Don't kid yourself, with Mayor Wu and Governor Healey things are not much different from NY and California.
I am from Boston my entire life..Had gone for a visit and Boston was unrecognizable..Good bye Massachusetts
This is the 100% truth and after they destroy this state and everything collapses (which is coming) they will go to another state and do the same thing.
The housing is very expensive and the taxes are a killer.
Your taxes are wasted because Mass has crap infrastructure. There are better roads in a 3rd world country. This means politicians are stealing and way too much government services. People with EBT cards pull that card from a Prada wallet and put their groceries in a Beamer!
Loads of other states have higher taxes. Do your research.
@@az55544 Don't worry...I see it going out every day....this is why it's called Taxachusetts....
I left. Look, MA is fine and dandy...IF your income is well over $100,000 a year. Otherwise, it will take every penny you have, to maintain an existence in your station in life. Never getting ahead, and slowly falling behind. How long will this be sustainable, only time will tell.
Where did you go? Are you happy and thriving there?
@@eyesthrurosecoloredglasses, The Philippines, where I married into a farming family, 9 years ago. From renting a 1 BR in Malden, to owning 2 homes and a coconut grove, today. Finally... Progress!
@@eyesthrurosecoloredglasses, I beg your pardon, but "I" has, had, nothing to do with it. I should have said "we" meaning my wife, Arleen, and her family. And I'm not the only one, BTW. Two of my best friends from high school, left the US from MA, one, a postal worker, retired and moved to Ireland, another, a municipal rubbish truck driver, sold out to move in with cousins in Italy. None of us are brainiacs, with at best 2 years of college apiece, not having the money to pursue degrees. But, who dares, wins.
@@markcollins2666 I understand perfectly. You should lean a few languages and know that if you think about what you are listening to or reading nothing ( or at least very little) is lost in translation. The grammar of each language are more like guidelines and can actually change if used a particular way often enough.
@@richard09ableHow about staying and fighting for your country ?
If you move remember exactly why you moved and what political party is the majority in MA.
is this guy serious? low income in Mass mean you get rental assistance and other welfare. That means you probably make more than someone who has a good job.
You only get those things if you're sickly, disabled and/or have children while low income. Regardless low income people rarely unless they're elderly.
@@eyesthrurosecoloredglasses Avg mother of 2 on welfare gets 75k a year in benefits and they don't pay taxes, people with a job would have to make 105,000 a year to equal that. Do your research. Most hispanics are on it, backs and southeast asians
@@eyesthrurosecoloredglassesseriously,, what basement in Massachusetts did you live in. Welfare/snap/housing assistance, been to Roxbury lately
@donaldgodwin3419 Andover. I haven't hung out in that place much tbh.
@donaldgodwin3419 Frankly instead of perpetually relying on those things to live in a dump anyway I'd leave somewhere I could afford.
40 work weeks for most available jobs here for a month, do not cover 1 bedroom Apartments rents, life/home/auto insurances, food, utilities, and basic needs like cell use. It is practically unaffordable if you make less than 70 k a year, and even if you do somehow. You will live paycheck to paycheck. They double property taxes every 20 years and price people out of surviving with ease.
Too expensive to live in MA, most people live on paycheck by paycheck because rent is too high, food, insurance, etc.
Totally agree, housing problem is incredibly insane. My rent went from $2400 in 2022 to $3200 this year for a 500sq one bed room in Fenway and even I paid that much, I don’t have my own laundry. Moreover, a month broker fee is required for most cases.
That's the problem living in Boston, but government officials want to put everything in Boston as opposed to spreading out industry across the state. People want to stay close to Boston where all the jobs are at because it sucks driving in Mass, the road infrastructure is equivalent to a 3rd world (MIT engineering at its best, I suppose) and there is little public transport options and what there is, is not very reliable.
@@mickeymouse2456I agree. The state can even afford to move jobs to the milltowns (secondary cities) if the suburbans want nothing in their vicinities. They shouldn't be surprised when the cities they shade so much also gain wealth over it because they're the only ones with the space. But too many people look down on these places because of passive racism. They say "the crime!" The schools! Pfft. If you're not White and thus not living in a bubble and not looking for trouble then trouble shouldn't find you.
My daughter and son-in-law and daughters move back to Massachusetts because they were living in Wilmington North Carolina where the rents were outrageous they found a more affordable rent in Massachusetts
Very true - Wilmington and other places in bc are beginning to be expensive
Of course Wilmington is expensive. A lot of Bay Staters have a habit of liking the most expensive areas of any place over more livable ones out of trying to imitate the generational wealtg/old money comforts of a good majority of the residents here. If you're leaving here you're either going to go to a more energetic city to get the social high MA lacks. Better to be broke but energetic and cheerful in NYC or Chicago than in MA by a long shot. Or go to the moderate cities of their states if you want create comforts and prefer suburban fare. Wilmington is where a lot of the old money NC residents live so they'll act like your typical MA resident with inheritances and try to wealth hoard. Your kids are uncomfortable because they suffer from the image conscious status oriented habit of many Americans with trying to keep up with the jonesses. NC is getting expensive but nowhere as expensive as MA is. They also have eons more micro-cities that actually are popular, lively, respected and not just minimized by the spoiled for having many POC unlike the cities in MA/AKA the former milltowns. People are snobby about them in MA because of the shaming of poverty or income diversity at that plus literal diversity, so they don't invest in those places when for many they're better than suburbs. I came from well off backgrounds into the US, because my dad wanted to work for an specific employer in the US. We first bought a gorgeous Victorian in Goergetown but actually preferred because they had way more people that looked like me and my mom (not white, my dad and brothers are white/Spanish). We bought a great home in one of these milltowns. We went to school in them. All four of my brothers got accepted to prestige schools and two went to Oxford. I went to McGill. We still prefer the MA cities to the suburbs not just because we can afford a comfy home in them but because they have a life and energy that resonates more with us. We're all deciding to leave MA ironically because we're getting sick of the "subtle" looking down of POC and people that don't want to live in the cookie cutter worlds. To make matters worse Boston does operate like a giant suburb to the point we feel horrified the place calls itself a "city". It's a city in terms of it having lots of buildings and offices, but it's not a city. My brothers have targeted NC for the ones that want a similar to MA life, another is moving to NYC and I'm moving to Chicago. All to places not just with more to offer than MA but way more diversity to boot. We get to see not just White people in the circle of wealth, success and innovation but POC. And their locals are nicer, more inviting, happier, more lively. Even when they have their own families and marriages.
Which town in Mass?
@@Sarahthompson2237 NH border !
Not for nothing, but I truly find that hard to believe, unless they are millionaires
Why you ask? Very simple. Housing shortage and high rents and nobody is doing anything about it
Immigrants flooding everywhere
High taxes and fees on everything
Drugs and homeless everywhere
Broken roads and traffic
Housing is the #1 issue
All this migration to the South is making life more expensive here. (Fl for example).
They are bringing their bad policies too. Southerners are used to having freedom on their personal property. The regulations and the fees are on the rise with these illiberal ‘liberals’ taking over lands they mock and loathe.
try corrupt politicions and over run with illegals.
Too much taxes, very expensive, so little in return, potholes everywhere. No place to park.
High cost of living and no rent control democrats cities are failing
I'm not a Democrat or Republican, but I've lived through a few Republican Governors up there who did NOTHING! Baker, Weld, Swift, Romney...all accomplished NOTHING! As a matter of fact, my after school teaching job was ripped away back with Romney b/c he took funding from the after-school programs to fund The Big Dig which has already killed people and leaks. You don't consider THAT FAILING??? Stop blaming one side...it's really old and ridiculous now. The state itself is so lost and such a mess, it doesn't matter who is voted in now. Just move
TX and FL are also 'failing... actually nearly all Coastal Cities are having trouble. It's not the Democrats. Climate Change is doing a number on the coastline locations.
The real issue with Massachusetts is the politics, the economy is only tech and life science, taxes, nobody cares about the middle income, illegal immigrants and too many minorities, etc. However people think by moving out of state that all their problems will be solved, everyone thinks where they will live is going to be affordable but eventually there new place where they migrated to will become expensive due to people moving there. The national average for a house in all 50 states is greater than 600k its not just Massachusetts. There is no way out of this.
You now have to be rich or poor to live in Boston/Greater Boston. Some low income/meager savings people are provided affordable housing in Cambridge or Brookline within walking distance near the T, some in nice updated units, some get great deals on condos with garage parking spaces. People who bought property 20 years ago or who make $200K+ in biotech are also doing just fine. It's the people who scrimped/saved, lived beneath their means and have more than 75K to their names who cannot afford to rent or buy in these cities. I know someone who in 2021 qualified for a Cambridge condo with garage parking for $320K, the market rate was $625K for the same condo. After moving in she got a higher paying job. Anyone with 75K in the bank would not qualify. If you have more than 75K to your name, you are considered too rich for affordable housing. I met a waitress recently who was paying $2500 for a 1 BR in Lynn. More and more people will leave the state if this greed continues.
The high housing costs are national. Unless you want to live in a near ghost town with no services you won't find it much cheaper in the country. 1 Bedroom Bungalos in FL (old rental stock circa 1950 in areas that flood regularly) are selling for $400k a year. Texas Housing market can easily match that $625k condo cost in the cities... but if you want live in the fire zone where the power goes out randomly and you need to evacuate from fires feel free to go live in something in the wilds of Texas thats cheaper.
Speculation in RE is Rampant across the country. And a chunk of it is Trump Buddies from overseas (Sauds, Russian Oligarchs etc.) that are funneling money thru Hedge Funders to buy stuff up thru realtors and set up LLCs and sit on it for a year or more to get prices up from lack of housing.
Rampant uncontrolled unregulated capitalism is destroying the country. Stop voting for your own best interests thru businessmen turned politicians.
I looked at living in Massachusetts after college. It needs to be less expensive.
Mass resident, parent, homeowner. We had multiple then young couple friends move out of Massachusetts about 15-20 years ago, but every one has moved back after a first home, having kids, and wanting to bring them up here. There is a shortage of desirable first homes in this state and that is a real problem, but people (not all) do move back once they have some ways to do so.
I agree. That's exactly who's bound to leave here but come back when they're older. However that's also the reason why MA is increasingly looking and reading like an "older" state. This place is looking older and older the more one looks at it and when it's not the after 45 crew it's the college age and younger crew. The young and flirty crew (the ages where people are being playful if you catch my drift) aren't comfortable here because they also don't get privacy to enjoy that life stage and meet someone to eventually start a family with. This might look like a good thing but for some reason this is just feeling like a "bad" thing that the younger adults can't survive or thrive here.
MA has one of the worst estate taxes out there. That’s why many
People over 65 are leaving.
Pretty simple actually- what you tax you get less of
Politicians
Unfortunately, it’s way too expensive here. 😢
I moved back after living away for 23 years. I moved back to be closer to family and because I’ve lived in other states where rights are being taken away.
When I look at deep blue states (MA, IL, NY, CA) I see the same things high taxes, high cost of living, high crime, poor quality of life. Now add illegal aliens pouring in. I read that illegal aliens stay in shelters in MA for an average of over a year. Shelters are temporary housing meant as transitional housing for weeks, not months or years. I never before heard of people staying in shelters for over a year. MA like other deep blue states has become unaffordable even for people working 2 jobs. The man interviewed and his partner were working 4 jobs and could not afford to stay in MA.
Comparing MA to CA is outrageous. I grew up in MA and I'm settled in SoCal. California is NOT what you see on TV! It's a tremendously large, endless land state. LA and SF are deplorable...most of the rest of CA out of big cities is cheap, moderate or conservative, hard working, happy and friendly. MA is a tiny little state. It's not BLUE! MOST of California is actually moderate or conservative, but LA and The Bay make all the decisions and those are super blue cities. EVERY state is red and blue. There is no such thing as an entire state of red or blue.
@@GenoG1202I’m from California and nothing is cheap. In fact, it is impossible to find a house under $500,000. The crime and homelessness is out of control. I could go on.
@@rw4022 Okay. I live here and have a newly renovated home I just closed on with a quarter acre of land for $214k. And I make almost 6 figures working from home. Not everywhere is Beverly Hills or San Diego.
@@GenoG1202 you must live in a very secluded place. Not even homes in crappy Modesto sell for $250,000.
@@rw4022 I just said OUT OF the city...Modesto is the city. urgh...
taxes, liberals, food, housing for seniors etc. Eliz Warren, McGovern etc.
I used to help the city of Boston with it's electrical work and I could still barely afford to stay there. State health made me wait nearly two years until I ended up in the ER again for a lifting injury and electrical burn getting worse. The state sent me a list of doctors to call and ask if they would accept the new health plan and if the doctor said no, I was to check that doctor said no on a list and send it back. Doing work for the city can have it's hazards and to not have proper health care coverage during an apprenticeship will always befuddle me. Long story short, I am searching for better medical care in other states because Boston nor the apprenticeship could not provide it's service workers proper healthcare. Some of us quit some of us still thought choose work and earn it back. At least I got to help light and power the city I loved for a while. I do miss where I grew up sometimes. I used walk the beach before my leg got inflamed. Some of the best pizza I ever had.
haven’t left yet but inevitably will push me out due to
hosing to income ratios not keeping balancing out at all
NIMBY politics shutting down large chunks of new housing opportunities (easier to flee than to fix this)
state prioritizes building triple the office space over housing in the city
mbta is still too inconsistent and costly vs driving in most areas
everything closes WAY too early for the mid 20s crowd
what is the point of these great universities and employers if you can’t enjoy them?
how are these groups supposed to thrive and grow if their nightlife ends super early and they’re spending large chunks of their income just on housing itself?
Please don’t move south like this guy without considering why you are forced to leave Massachusetts. The cost of housing being prohibitive didn’t happen spontaneously. It’s exactly the politics that made you hesitant to move to NC that make NC affordable versus MA. If you’re too ignorant to understand, politics have economic consequences, keep your destructive policies and your multiple job lifestyle in Boston.
Please don’t bring your junk politics with you so we can no longer afford housing, either!!
@@hannahwatt6454 another thing people forget with ma housing too is that for decades rent control in the neighborhoods closest to boston halted so much development despite population growth recovering since the 1980s. the housing situation hasn’t kept up with the growth in over 40 years…. people like me in their mid 20s just don’t have the means to invest here the way we’d like to for the future. if you’re a fan of where you live now PUSH for housing so your place doesn’t get massachusett’s problems. its way easier to go “well you voted for this” than to understand how these issues started and how long they’ve been brewing
Nightlife gets two points? Maybe it's not MA, but your 17-year-old attitude and life choices?
My wife and 3 kids are native Massholes. I’m not a native but we lived there for two decades and moved in 2007 for Georgia and haven’t looked back.
Cost of living, taxes, weather, nanny state leftists, and on and on. Georgia also respects my 2nd amendment rights.
We're fortunate to have been able to move from Utah to MA. The only way we could swing it though was to find a "fixer upper" that nobody else was willing to fix. We just had to find a place that was at least move-in ready, even if it was terribly ugly and not well kept inside. We found one at just the right price point that we could afford, and just good enough for kids to move in. Other than the slow fixing up process, Massachusetts is an amazing place to live for so many reasons.
Over the past 50 years, much of my immediate family left MA for FL: 1975 Grandparents. 1980 Father. 1985 brother. 1990 myself. 2000 mother. 20010 Aunt. 2024 brother.
The quality of journalism and presentation style in USA is so dismal.
Yes I completely agree.
It’s always been bad though- Walter Cronkite was a liar
The governor has to expand the economy in MA to include the central and western parts of the state where there is some affordable housing. Also, the Mayors and Governor on the eastern side of the state have to stop catering to landlords and big money developers.
Definitely we need less control of our city councils etc by Developers. Especially the ones that are part of the Hedge Fund Exploitation Schemes to Pump and dump property rates.
Stop building every train/highway to start/end in Boston.
Getting rid of the radical leftist policies would help too.
@@DarkPassenger what radical left policy are you talking about? Do you mean capitalism? Or homelessneess that comes from the capitalism?
@@DarkPassengerWhat policies?
Our government is corrupt 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂we have a Chinese spy for a mayor 😅😅😅
Baloney... your racism is showing.
@@josephteller9715 Well she did attend a christmas party where "white' people were not allowed.
She is not Chinese though
High income taxes high property taxes is the reason
My whole family lives out of state. Just waiting for my boys to finish their USMC commitments
Simple: Taxachusetts!
😂😂😂😂 Where is home? Taxachusetts, USA...
Good. Real estate agents need more inventory.
"what do we see are main *like* reasons people are leaving"
Expert "people leave Massachusetts for a lot of reasons..."
Great interview guys keep up the hard hitting journalism
Escaped Massachusetts for Florida. I’m never stepping foot in that cesspool again
Expensive, elitist, dirty, old, cold, no public transit after midnight, no nightlife, horrible traffic, bans on natural gas, sky high taxes, poor school system, terrible hospitals,
What did I miss???
Well, the whole country's falling apart, and there's no turning back, i'm living for good in weeks, even my last car, has being sold already!
I don't blame them
Too crowded too expensive
Please do NOT come to Florida. We are full
Please come to california, we have a beautiful state, sunshine and decent laws. You wont regret it...
They're already here in Florida. It's too late.😭
I lived in MA until I was 30, then moved to CO, now settled in the desert of SoCal. MA is an absolutely miserable place, the weather is horrific, everything is so old, and it really is just a manic raging place. Whoever thought the most success financially and in home ownership, the highest salary and the most stability would be California!?! Yes the cheaper desert, but that speaks loud for a tiny state like MA. I've never went back and never will! 🙌🏾
I’m a lifelong Californian and need to know where the cheap part is.
California does have higher wages but that is because everything is so darn expensive nobody would be able to live on anything else.
@@rw4022 Low Desert, High Desert...just get off the coast, away from the city and rural but not remote. That's what I did. I have no complaints.
Cost of living and pricing everyone away from Boston. Including Massachusetts shorelines where residents will have no choice but to move inland (central and western Massachusetts) or into drug and crime infested areas (shoreline and inland). People are better off leaving for a better cities out of state.
Did you try western or central Massachusetts?
Better Cities? Define Better. Certainly not anything in the South, their Drug Abuse and Crime levels are HIGHER than our state.
Plenty of places on the water with lots of drugs and scumbags. Lynn, Revere, Salem, South Boston, Quincy, Dorchester, Fall River etc....
Or in the suburbs.
When my parents came to the US, the plan wasn't for me to be an indirect system where I just work, spend, and own nothing. Ever. Even if I made the beloved 100k, most of that money is going to rent, car payments and maintenance (god forbid you take the train to avoid these costs and compete for a job). I don't want to live a life where I just work and spend. I want to have a family. Afford my own space where I can actually have a pet. Save for the day that jobs will start not hiring me because I'm too old. Save for the rainy day. Maybe buy my future kid a starter car and help them in school. If you come from "generational wealth" you can afford to care about "the SCHOOLS, THE MUSEUMS, THE MOST EDUCATED SOCIETY IN THE WORLD!" bullshit but I want to not just constatly be in survival mode because I don't have that. Neither does most of the planet. The way so many of the locals here talk about the white collar workers being fine and dandy. Yep, until they won't find young, gullible idiots willing to work the country clubs or daycare centers. Oh wait that's why we have the colleges! To supply an endless supply of fresh, posh money idiots wanting designer education willing to wipe the butts of the american elite. Yay. I'm also sick of not seeing more people that look like me in success. I'm hispanic and it's a bit disconcerting to be looked at and treated as a "bimbo" by many of the locals. There's a certain ignorance an education and growing up sheltered clearly doesn't shake off. For the asking prices this place asks I'm taking my Nursing degree to NYC or Chicago. NC if I want the suburban experience. At least NYC or Chicago habe entertainment, happier, more welcoming locals. Some people don't get stared as anomalies when they enter certain establishments or show up to buy. People lookjng down their nose at others just because they forget they habe society set for them as opposed to having actually worked for it. If you're not going to build or provide entertainment as a way to raise their prices, fine. Don't be surprised by people bored for not willing to splurge, to get nothing. Oh wait we get the fancy college association, work with the "world's most pompous (I mean talented), work under some something something something the number who owns a zillion streetnamehmpllc's. Ugh, so prestigious! The state forgot people work to live not live to work. I suppose if it's of any small comfort, MA can pride itself in indeed being the "most american of states". The goal was to make a society of Norman Rockwell paintings and instead it is turning out like the George Carlin "American Dream" joke; You really have to be asleep or have no life to believe it. I'm jumping off this ship. I grew up here. Decided to travel to the 50 states and other countries to explore. Get a sense of things. Yes, MA is great, not eden; but it's seriously not accounting for the reality that most people will not and cannot be rich. That's ok. Let it become a nation of the wealthy hypocrites, if that's their dream, that's fair. I for one know damned well I'm never getting there. So why delude myself into investing for literally nothing I have a place in?
You are talking about the future that the World Economic Forum wants to build for the world, you will own nothing and will be happy. A lot of rich politicians, left and right, are in lock step with this ideology.
Thank you for sharing your story. Unfortunately - the US culture is capitalist and this is what we’re taught - that productivity and profit are more important than people. It’s why we have unions - otherwise we’re treated like crap. I hope you can find a place where you feel at home. There are communities that are out there that are welcoming - usually the smaller New England towns… ❤
Ive lived in Massachusetts since i was a toddler. As an adult now with a wife and child on the way, Im attracted to the idea of living in the new england countryside, but i cant afford the "shacks" of Massachusetts, nevermind an acre of land.
It doesn't matter whether you have a high income or local income. I used to have high income and now I have a low income and I'm 60 years old I'm disabled and my water company just drop me off yesterday and I sent them a negotiable instrument that they would not accept which is illegal. It's illegal to shut me off. Because I have 60 years old and I've had this house for 22 years here and I can't deal with it anymore the what they're putting me through right now is ridiculous I've been 2 days without water!!
Have chronic disabilities and not to mention a chronic skin infection that I cannot go without water!!
The water company shut me off with no notice I'm thinking about going to the news. I've called my mayor and it didn't do anything about it they told me to call the senator.
I'm completely broke I'm living on $1949 a monthly! Oh that includes a $50 cost of living raise so because I've got that raise they want me to pay $170 for a medical copay for my insurance and they want me to pay co-pays for every doctor visit which is $35 a shot and I'm 60 years old I've got a hip replacement!
Google give me food assistance they were giving me $180 now they come to 160 now they're going to cut them all together they said I make too much okay 1940 a month really I make too much for food assistance are you kidding me? And then I called the water company I begged them to turn you back on. I went to my doctor and asked him to send a letter telling him I have a chronic disease which I do, even though if you're on disability you should have a chronic disease right?
Should I go to the news I'm ready cuz I'm 2 days with no water!!!
I have larvae coming out of my arms from some freaking I don't know if it's fly larvae or if it's a parasite I don't know what it is I've been a 12 doctors and none of them will diagnose it properly for some reason in America they're not diagnoses parasitic diseases and I pulled them out right in front of them and they're like oh that's in your head I'm like okay I pulled it out rain in front of you and it's in my head really and they will not diagnose it!!!
All the help is is ridiculous!!
Does the state is stealing from you like I got a 88 acronym for help and they paid 7 Grand on a memorials and him pay the other $11,000 that they should have paid they didn't pay electric but it pays nothing so it was up to 50 Grand and all I received was 7,300 and they shut me off and ignored me for all my requests.
I used to work for a company based in Massachusetts. They had wonderful benefits for everyone regardless of where you live. Build more homes with less red tape. Just be glad New York is more popular for migrants and you don't live near a porous border. Older folks are on fixed income so if you want them to rent out their homes then let them evict squatters and deadbeats instantly.
hi taxes
hi regs
hi crime
lo SOL
''YA GOTTA ASK?''
first job in ''83 after uni.
had roomies, no biggie
moved back to ohio after 6 months.
2 muggings, a car break in and total lack of interest from the
''judicial system''. from what i read, nothing has changed...
I have lived my here my whole life and it’s so expensive my apartment is 2200 it’s a mortgage!
Cool, makes more room for people like me who want to move to Massachusetts
Born and raised in Mass. I left a long time ago. It's too expensive. Also I'm from the western part of the state that Boston ignores. Politics are ruining everything.
Housing is very expensive.
Has anyone gone to jail because of this? This is a case of gross financial malfeasance.
Come to Georgia! But please leave your MA policies behind, thanks.
We’re full in GA too!
But, on a side note if you’re over 65 in GA you pay no income tax on your first 65k of income. That means 130k tax free if you’re married
Universal healthcare and cheaper secondary education needs to become a reality in the United States AND the millionaires and billionaires need to pay their fair share in taxes instead of the MIDDLE CLASS being squeezed out and taking on the majority of the tax burden. What happened to the FAIR SHARE ACT that was passed not so long ago???
Good Sign to say Massachusetts Growing.
Much more than just housing , Aggressive driving , the smell of pot wafting through the air now, the snow and ice , lunatic left wing politics. All combine to make it not a nice place to live , the casinos will also prove to have a damaging effect over time. I miss my nuclear family. but I’m not sure I could ever move back. Work life balance is worth more than money.
That trashy casino
Please leave more and sooner! I need an affordable place to live here! And there’s nothing!!
Wealthy and working class are probably leaving lowering tax base.
Better yet, why don’t Mass residents STAY in their state?? You cannot drive in any direction around Mass and not feel like you’ve accidentally crossed the state line into MA? It’s sad, they love their state so much but won’t stay in it.
Rent in any area is high , roads are not that great, traffic is getting worse , radical gun control laws , politicians are not very smart, could go on and on but I’m busy packing up and getting out for good !!
I don't understand why people choose to live in such a cold climate. Long, neverending winters.
That’s changing with climate change. I love having four distinct seasons. ❤
Please don’t move south like this guy without considering why you are forced to leave Massachusetts. The cost of housing being prohibitive didn’t happen spontaneously. It’s exactly the politics that made you hesitant to move to NC that make NC affordable versus MA. If you’re too ignorant to understand, politics have economic consequences, keep your destructive policies and your multiple job lifestyle in Boston.
Please don’t ‘colonize’ us and bring your junk politics with you so we can no longer afford housing, either!!
So elitist. Gross.
People who violate with the machine that can determine all information kid. That's what it is. Ever go to Brighton? Allston? Jamaica Plain? Needham? Framingham? Waltham? Braintree? Cambridge? Somerville? Westfield? Pittsfield?
Them people is like rats, they're all over this state. People show up here in their early 20s, they discover them people and it's like "time to leave son, time to leave, don't say a word, just slowly back up and slip away from here."
Because it is TAX A CHUSETTS
Is everyone in Massachusetts gay?
New Mayor is a joke i took off as fast as i could.
Its because were sick of the ridiculous cost of everything due to endless democrat spending on nothing that benefits residents. Housing is up 110% above national average and everything else up 38%- 48%. Pay does not compete with skyrocketing costs. Our infrastructure money being spent on useless bike and walking trails while our cars are swallowed up by potholes and our roads and bridges decaying. My water looks like coffee and we made the news for our brown water but we got a 5 mil bike trail that residents are now complaining is a dog waking trail and now all their yards reek of dog urine and feces along with the still brown water. Thats what the democrat politicians in this states priorities are. Then to top it all off were paying for illegals entitlements and illegals were given housing over our veterans. Residents are sick of it. Thats why taxpayers are moving out. My lifelong taxpaying family looking to move out as well.Then who's paying for all those entitlements?
Our attention needs to be on the millionaires and billionaires who do not pay their fair share in taxes - it’s corporate greed kiddo.
@justbeegreen corporations never pay more taxes they have corporate tax attorneys that find loopholes. I'm an accountant. Saw it for years. They just pass the cost increases onto consumers in good and services.
Massachusetts is so crucid! They just shut off my Water 2 days and they've been shut off my water I have no money to pay it. I sent a negotiable instrument which is supposed to be supplied by the government and they said they couldn't get it process so they must have went through the wrong channels if you know what I mean.
Ruining New Hampshire for years!!
leave your politics back in mass .it doesn't work so don't ruined the Carolinas
It’s to expensive
Do you have to ask? 😂
Don't move to NC, the state is full.
Moura Healey
Rents are the Same as Silicone Vally Now .... and the Weatha. is much Betta. out thaaair.....