New Radial Engines For Vintage And Modern Airplanes - Rotec Radial Engines
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Rotec Aerosport manufactures radial engines for experimental airplanes. These engines can be used to restore vintage aircraft and you can have them in more modern airframes as well like the Kitfox.
Currently, Rotec is available in 2 different options, an R3600 150 HP engine and an R2800 110 HP engine.
Price for the R3600 is between $20,000 - $23,000
Price for the R2800 is between $17,000 - $19,000
You can visit www.rotecaerosport.com/radial... to find out more.
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Your should check many forums, these engines are garbage, many problems and poor customer service even one case where a brand new engine that crapped out and when it was fixed, was shipped back with old parts.
I'll never touch another rotex radial. Customer services sucks and you must pay two way freight costs to and from Australia, even for warrenty work. My friend never got more than 150 hrs. All three engines certified as being new, but each with used parts. I'm now a big fan of Verner radials out of the EU. Much better support and fantastic preformance with no hickups. Just remember that your life depends upon this critical component.
My dad and his buddies own scalebirds and they are the supplier of verner engines to the us if you want to buy one
You mean Rotec not Rotex You don't want to confuse people with Rotax
This is the best engine ever, it has a guaranteed 10 hours time between catastrophic failure (TBCF).
you are giving them way more credit than they deserve. Many people haven't made half that time.
Great to see, I only just saw your site, Wonderful to see, Thank You
Looks like a nice engine.
Mojo your new do some research before you make yourself look really bad!
This is so cool! If I build a plane I want one of these!
Have any of these engines ever made it to 2500 hour overhaul? Wishful thinking.
Nah, most Rotec owners gave up or died well before that mark.
Would love to see video of Rotec 3600's in modern LSA A/C
Hey! Can you ask them if they plan to make something that will be analogous to the O360? (180-200 hp)
They make great boat anchors , certainly would not use one in a plane ever again, bloody dangerous
Curious. Can you explain? Not a plane guy myself but I love engines of all kind.
Geoff Moore , Hi Geoff. Let me just say I have had experience first hand with this brand of engine , as any pilot will tell you that an inflight engine failure is an unwanted experience that does not always end well, and I encountered not one but two total engine outs during flight, I was lucky to execute two forced landings without aircraft damage or personal injury,
@@goldfieldsbushpilots9917 Are these mechanical, ignition or fuel delivery problems? I always thought the FAA and other aircraft authorities has strict redundancy and safety rules on engine building?
@@geoffmooregm ..well, mechanical, from a design point of view. I could list all the faults but the link in the comment ruclips.net/video/LlPtMVijIzs/видео.html I posted earlier today says it very well. There's also a problematic and overly obtuse oil delivery system compared with historical radials aka Pratts, Wrights and so on. Both the Verner and Warner have a simpler, more unified oil delivery, which works well less resultant comparable failures to this engine.
Geoff Moore hi Geoff. Both engine failures that I encountered mid flight resulted from mechanical failure, badly manufactured, lacking quality controlled parts. Attempts to deal with the manufacture was impossible, arrogance beyond belief almost leading to outright stupidity.
Geoff I have a passion of life and flying and would not risk either , as such both my aircraft run certified reliable aviation motors,
My removed radial has been turned into a coffee table 😂 and is always a talking point with other pilots.
cool
Good on ya Aussie
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Wonderful! Thank you for your dedication. Beautiful.
Search for videos on YT about these engines then decide.
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Actually rotecs are not that new, many reliability problems, several crashes due to premature wear of some parts. Ill rather go for Continental lycoming or corvair engine.
A sound check on both engines would be appreciated.
Indeed, radial engines have a lovely sound!
They'd have to work to make sound
@don monfort Hehe, I've seen the horror stories. But, the sound is lovely, and they might as well run on the ground. Perhaps they can include a handsome running stand with instruments.
My brother's aircraft has a Pratt & Whitney R-1430-AN-1, I believe. That SNJ sounds lovely. The little Rotec would be a better fit for the living room.
@@ChevTecGroup I see what you did there! Cheers!
You can NOT put one of these engines in a vintage aircraft !!! They are NOT a certified engine !
They are for exp aircraft only ! The horror stories of new engines, factory O/H, crapping out are numerous. Verner has a much better engine for reliability.
That's good because I would hate to see a real vintage bird end up crashed up when this pile of shit engine fails.
It would be nice to see a more power full engine that could be fitted to a dc3 to make them fly longer from Jeremy mellor england
I would love to build a Kitfox with the R2800. Love the look and sound. Requires a little bit of care, but worth every bit.
Don't do it, rotec engines are junk
How would you know if they would be “worth it” if you don’t know what the “it” is? The “it” may well be your life.
With as many horror stories as I’ve seen on rotec... sucks because the engine sounds beast but if only the reliability was there..
This is awesome! I want to see the Kitfoxes with them!
I would love to see this engine with an EFI and electronik ingition.
Rotec are plagued with a lot of problems. They need to be re-engineered to stomp out the many design issues they are riddled with.
Yep, great example of why you never put kids/family behind anything that’s not certified, including Rotax drone engines.
can you name some?
Video bearing failures are all over youtube, on Rotax and this radial which is really bad.
@@tropicthndr maybe it could be due to some quality issues with the bearing supplier they used..?
tropicthndr you’re confusing Rotec (American company) and Rotax (Austrian company). Rotax has no problems and by the way, no radial engines either
What plane is on the 0:20 mark? Cuz im really curious
Very cool!
How is it to fly bush planes in Queensland ? Can you do stuff like american guys like Trent and Mike are doing ?
Put it this way. The Australian continent fits on top of the United States. E-2-W across the most easternly and western parts. The distance between London and Moscow is 1700 miles, the distance between Melbourne and Perth is 2,100 miles. That should give you a hint :) ..i.e. yep.
Outsider Aircraft not really sure 😂so because of the country being so vast you can basically do whatever you want is that what you meant? 😂
Outsider Aircraft just to put you into perspective, id like to get into aviation and I am deeply interested in bush planes and the fun pilots like Trent have when flying together to unknown places, landing wherever they want to, etc. but being technical diver, after I've moved to Australia I realised that technical diving here in Queensland Brisbane where I am is totally no go so technical which has been one of my most favourite hobby is now lost into oblivion because of stupid, contradictive rules that are here so I'm trying to find out if it is the same with flying bush planes
rix' Yes, but not in Sydney, Melbourne or Brisbane obviously. This is more 'the back country' i.e. just like our outback like Mt. Isa (areas around), Norseman in W.A., the equivalent wilds of the back country people like Trent and Mike Patey and the rest of flying cowboys are flying around in. Trent is in Nevada, not too unlike the Aust. desert/scubby interior and Mike is in Utah flying around rocky places resembling what's around Alice Springs and so on. Even Trent has to fly quite a few miles from where he lives in Reno to be able to horse around like at the Stol drag in the middle of nowhwere www.stoldrag.com/events/hsf2018 .. Having said that, you don't always have to go hundreds of miles into the desert to escape ceiling heights or fool around low. I used to fly at Benalla (Vic.) with a bunch of crazy parachutists and glider pilots. We would buzz farmers and fly between trees, though canyons and hills, land virtually anywhere, except private property. Being in QLD, I would suggest head off to places like Cairns or Townsville, go west of those places. Anywhere where's there's no people or towns : ) ..having said all this, I wouldn't advertise it to CASA. Best is join some kind of flying club with like-minded members and get the low down on the low down.
Aren't there two manufacturers? Rotec from Australia and Rotex from Germany. A lot of horror stories about the Rotec.
Rotax is actually a very reputable company, you are correct. Rotec, the ones features in this video do have a lot of issues that still need to be worked out, despite being out for quite a few number of years now.
What's the plane at the beginning of this video?
did anyone notice the little kiddy playing with his toy plane on the left?..looks at the circular exhaust manifold, would be better with some cooling fins engraved on those surfaces too to improve efficacy of heat removal from those monster arrangement of aircooled cylinders
also feel twin spark ignition systems could be improved with special design of new spark plugs that allow twin spark arcs from a single piece of plug electrode, hv coil and cable setup to reduce clutter and wiring
FC: A single spark plug is a single spark plug. No redundancy.
that makes sense when you up in the sky...
Is there any advantage to a radial engine over a modern prop?
radials are air cooled (cooling fins) and use pistons like a conventional car engine, fuel consumption is more economical
Don’t forget the ridiculous torque of a radial engine 👌
@@mikecorleone6797 yeah man... shes only got 100hp, even my 1200cc old school bike makes 100hp but her torque is in another totally fantastic higher level!
@@fidelcatsro6948 No. Fuel consumption is not more economical. It is much more difficult (i.e. impossible to optimize the greater number of cylinders). Also air cooled engines must have sloppier tolerances to allow for expansion/contraction.
Only real advantage is the sound and look. But in the case of this brand because they are a pile of shit. If they was built in a cheap Chinese's sweat shop they would be a better engine.
Great video Mike keep up the good work. Also, just want to say I love the channel but was wondering why when your asking us to buy you a plane did you pick such an expensive one lol.
Their website appears to be broken... (Wix Error)
Oh, boy! The skies may soon be filled with dinosaurs.
Dave Hakes Hopefully, these won’t have those endearing characteristics.
Awesome. Can't wait. Going by that a combustion-engine car is a dinosaur, going back to 1885 you don't happen to drive one, do you?
Australian.
Love him!
G'day mate!
did they fix the reliability issues?
Agreed. This is not a company to invest in.
Here come the haters
It's not hate when its fact
ruclips.net/video/ZIjh4o9QjtY/видео.html
@@flexairz Well they need to be reliable, if nothing else. Half the parts are cheap Autozone parts LOL
@@flexairz Some of haters actually have aircraft engineering degrees btw.
Nice engine
Been following these beautiful engines since the get go. They have been super reliable over for around 19 years. Hats off to them.
Obviously you've never researched youtube for all the videos on the poor reliability, bad construction, cheap parts and no quality control. These engines are dangerous.
I can only imagine you must work for the company, no one else who has “been following” the history of these engines would agree with this utter tosh.
Keep off the crack. A French taxi driver is more reliable than these engines!
You must just be following the manufactures page and no body else because if you did any real research you would know this engine is a death trap and total crap. It needs a complete redesign.
You should pull this video. These engines are junk and are going to kill someone.
It’s a shame these engines have a bad reputation. Radial engines look and sound awesome and hardly anyone produces them today.
Seems to be a lot of early hrs failures ? Have you fixed them
If you are going to do it...why not DO IT? Why not go with electronic ignition? Cap and rotor? What a pain!
Mike, can't believe you published this. NOT an acceptable product!
Royce engines are total trash, made from old junk parts and put together with Loctite, adhesives and silicone.
A horrible engine and an even more horrible company
I LOVE the look of the Rotec radials, they completely nailed 100% the look of the P&W wasps and such. That said...they need to spin real fast to get any power out of them and at speed (TO/ cruise) they sound NOTHING like a radial - more in line with a rotax 912. As far as the reliability I have nothing to add but it seems like they're getting lots of hate from owners.
The Verner Scarlet series (3,5,7,9 cylinders) on the other hand spin slowly, like the original radials, and sound BADASS. Look up their vids on YT. They don't quite look as nice as the rotec but the sound more than makes up for it. I think their engine uses Honda components.
And the name is pure genius, though it probably goes over most folks heads. Verner Scarlet = Warner Scarab 😂
Richard Hodge the reason why Verner doesn’t get lots of hate from o Wes is probably because of there are only few owners.
@@TheNadjalo
Well that and they're actually a much better engine
More btw. I understand Paul has been selling these for many years now. But here's a theory as to why he's been able to get away with this for over a decade; The planes they're being put into are historical/rebuilt/re-imagined. Both traditionally and contemporaneously they don't fly that many hours. Paul admitted so much to one purchaser I know of who's engine failed and Paul, self-admittedly, said he has no feedback on such use when it comes to it when it comes to actual metrics. Therefore, if a fault -ridden designed engine goes for a couple of flys it might 'last'. Take this same engine and put it to a few dozen hours, a few hundred or a few thousand hours and will appear a different story. I actually feel sorry for Paul, as an ex-pat Aussie myself.
Why do you feel sorry for him? He clearly says it has a 2K. TBO and it obviously doesn't. There are several post from people that owned (yes owned as in Don't anymore) that had them fail in flight with low hours. On every one of them they found damaged or miss fitted parts. Rocker arms hitting rocker covers. Bolts that are to long so they hit internal parts. AND all had several problems with customer service from Rotec. Even being told that if they are "combative" or complain to much then Rotec will just drop them. As in no more support on an expensive engine that doesn't work. This ass hat owner. (Rotec) has only himself to blame.
I wouldnt put these on a snow blower . Every single engine has had an issue most have crash new planes do A search rotec failures before you buy this unsafe engine . the faa is investigating. Go back to model engine you jerks.
It's really sad that someone is spending so much energy trying to get Rotec out of business. Should they succeed, will it be a great loss for us who enjoy these engines so much. And there will only be one manufacturer left that produces small radial engine worldwide.
How many hours do you have on your Rotec engine?
@@cleophusA It's six months winter in Norway so it's only been 187 hours so far.
I made the following adjustments:
• Replaced all oil hoses from AN6 to AN8 except crankcase ventilation hose which are AN10. This reduces the possibility of hydraulic oil cavitation and that it builds up a lot of oil in the crankcase.
• Larger oil tank with air separation
• I never use 100LL since it clogs the oil channels, valve stem and the tops of the pistons.
• I use Bing carburetor since I don't know if TIB likes ethanol. Car gas contains up to 10% ethanol in Norway.
• The carburetor gets cold intake air. This helps to cool the crankcase.
• Return hose on gasoline supply. This reduces the possibility of vapor lock
• Uses wideband A/F ratio gauge to prevent it from running lean.
@@oeaaneb, from all of the negative video I've seen on this engine, it looks like you have gotten one of the good ones. Have you experienced any of the problems that so many others are talking about, such as premature bearing wear and unusual parts breakage? I was very interested in this engine until I saw so much negative feedback about reliability and especially customer service. I mean, if you have to have warranty work done, it means paying freight both ways from America to Australia! That can't be cheap, and if you have to deal with a hostile customer support/warranty system, that makes a warranty claim even more of a nightmare. What intrigues me most about this engine is the extensive use of automotive parts, making maintenance much more user friendly and cost efficient, but I sure don't want to sacrifice reliability for ease of maintenance.
@@cleophusA My thought is that you must use a round dry sump tank to avoid that foaming oil will follow along into the engine again. If you also avoid the oil cavitating by using AN8 hoses I mean the bearings should last a long time.
I'm not worried about using pistons and valves from automotive as long as it's from well-known suppliers.
Support / warranty is always very difficult as there are two sides. Is there a user related error or is it manufacturer's fault. There had of course been a lot easier if Rotec had supplier in the US and Europe.
It is also important to avoid hydraulic locking. This can cause damage to the rocker arms, pushrods and, in the worst case, bent connecting road
Can that engine be fitted to a 1936 MONOCOUPE? No? Ok. Your garbage. I'll go find a Verner engine!
I think it's too cheap. Very sad as it looks a good concept.
Store:
store.rotecaerosport.com/
"New Radial Engines..." ?? These engines have a long and not so good history. Nothing NEW here.
Paul Paul Hard to trust the comment from an empty fake-ish account.
@@TheNadjalo Dont trust me. Google it and find out for yourself.
@@TheNadjalo I hate to agree but he is right. I love Radial engines but these are shit for sure. It takes about 2 min of research to know you don't want to spend any money on this one.
These engines are JUNK!!!!!
Get back to me when it's type certificated in the US. I won't hold my breath.
Rotec are not new. And by the way Verner Radials are way better!!
Louis Lupz You mean the plastic tube? Lol
They are so cheap that people buy them as a starter to build their own engines. lol And only use the most basic parts. lol Then it costs double but still a "bargain".
You guys should be ashamed of this engine. Way to many failures for it to be reliable in a aircraft. They have plastic timing gears. People do research before buying. I have seen many hoarer stories from the drive gears exploding to being poorly assembled to push rods breaking and far more. Its to bad because they look good and sound great when running. You need to go back to the drawing board. perhaps copy a old Pratt & Whitney Wasp R-1340 SC1 exact no plastic or short cuts.