In July of 2017, almost twenty-eight years to the day of Pam's disappearance, Pam's family received a formal letter from the Maricopa County Attorney's office. The letter states that based on new interviews and investigation, if Robert Page was alive today, he would be charged with second-degree murder in Pam's case. Due to his death, the office considers the case closed. However, her family is still hoping to find her remains. Sadly, Pam's father has since passed away.
@@thegodfather1907 Ikr? Wasn't a need for all that. Hell I say, the person committing suicide will do it the way they want it to be done. It's that simple.
24:58 - It's so haunting to hear that dispatch. That Kansas city blast segment is chilling and extremely tragic, difficult to watch. Glad they caught the killers.
You can see in some of their faces that they messed up big time, didn't expect it'd go that way, and that they deserved the punishment. So sad, indeed.
Always hits extra hard when firefighters get killed. They are some of our bravest. Many of the guys (like the ones who responded to 9/11, die prematurely of various cancers if they do survive the fires. Breathing in all those burning toxins....
Absolutely haunting, yes! That woman standing there as the dispatch calls out over and over sent chills down my spine. I don't know why but it really got me. On the other story about the squirrel. I think he went on to become a senator for Arizona. Talk about uncanny resemblances, I swear that guy could be John McCain. And then they follow that story up about a doppleganger. That's just weird, strange and eerie.
This was so weird to watch because Pam Page was my great aunt. I never met her, but my mom knew her and remembers learning how to shuffle cards from her. I remember seeing people that spoke in this at family reunions. In one of the pictures great aunt Pam was standing next to my great granny. This was just extremely weird to watch. Rob 100% did it, I have no doubts. My mom just told me that this actually caused a really big rift between Rob and Pam's side of the family. Pam was my mom's mother's sister and Rob was my mom's father's brother (it's not incest, it's as if siblings from different families got together) so it caused alot of conflict in the family. Yeah, this was weird, but interesting
Maricopa County Attorney's office stated that based on new interviews and investigation, if Robert Page was alive today, he would be charged with second-degree murder in Pam's case. But he's long dead, the remains were never found. It remains an unsolved mystery to this day.
Give me a break! How can a husband who writes a fake letter, moves his wife's car and lies to police and family not be a murder susoect?? He must have friends at the police department. Shane on them. Pam is alnost certaibly dead and the police seem to have just let it slide. Terrible.
You're looking at things emotionally. Not from the point of view of logic & evidence. I'm sure the husband was under suspicion, but they had nothing to charge him with.
The first story: the husband is obviously guilty as hell, but I wouldn't ever recommend a innocent person to ever take a polygraph. They are complete bs and there's a reason they are inadmissible in court. My cousin stole a four wheeler from a deputy sheriff years ago and was given a polygraph. He passed with flying colors and laughed about it later. He said when they asked him a question, he asked another one in his mind. "Did you steal the 4-wheeler?"...but In his mind: Do you dress up in women's clothing and rub mayonnaise on your face? No.
Grant Wiley Esq. Which may explain how he beat a polygraph test. The test works by measuring a person's physical reaction to their answers - if a person lies, it's typically accompanied by slight increases in heart rate, etc., and that's what the polygraph detects. A psychopath would typically not have any such physical reaction.
@@ananthrao7802 Unsolved. Sadly, Ken passed away in May 2006 at the age of ninety. It is unknown if he ever located his double, although several people have claimed to know the man.
I honestly don’t know why UM took up that story. So he saw someone who looked like him. Every Italian-American who goes to visit Italy probably has a similar experience.
Was looking up to.find a update kinda figure they never did meet again i would have just not got on the train and spent more time knowing the orher me if i was him
I always used to watch this show as a kid. It’s so great now to see the updates and find out what happened. A lot of the stories stuck in my mind for all these years.
Robert Page passed away in 2009. In 2017, the District Attorney's office sent a formal letter to Pam's family stating that they believed they had enough evidence to charge Robert with 2nd degree murder of his wife had he still been alive and that they considered the case closed. Pam's father has also passed away since this story aired and a cousin has also mysteriously disappeared in an unrelated case and never found.
No Brazil nuts from South of the border....after the airplane accident in Belize his wife couls say "everyone knew it was a bad idea to have a squirrel fly an airplane".
@@TF80s Hey you reminded me about a case i watched or I think maybe it was a made for tv movie yrs ago about a family I think went camping and they left their infant daughter in the ⛺ and when they returned all that was left was the clothes the baby was wearing. I think it happened in Australia I don't know if you know the case
Story changed, didn't want to be interviewed for this segment, refused a polygraph test. That right there is a man who killed his wife. I hope he's rotting in hell right now.
@Jasper Jones When I was in the Army, I was chosen to be a guinea pig for law enforcement trainees on poygraph testing. As soon as I was hooked up I was nervous as hell, even though it was just for training purposes. Just felt like an open book, and thats not a good feeling. They asked me all kinds of things like if i was into espionage, and of course I wasnt. I was 18 years old fresh out of high school. My test came back inconclusive.
Whenever I would go over to my gma's house back in the 80's, she would watch unsolved mysteries and it scared the hell out of me. Now when I hear the theme I get goose bumps, and the hair on the back of my neck stands up.
I was intrigued by the last story. Although I've never met him, I seem to have a double in the area where I live. Several times over the last 20 years, I have been told by friends and co-workers that I've been spotted in a bunch of places I've never been...so I know I have a doppelganger. If it's really true, I feel sorry for that dude if he ends up looking exactly like me!
He printed the letter, signed it, drove her Corvette to a store, got a cab home, just do he could go get it, before anyone saw it? Makes perfect sense. Any rational innocent person would do the same.
with different first names & from different states & towns with different relatives? Mmmmkaaaay 1943: the hadron collider didn't even exist yet so stop... You're probably the same people that think they called it WW1 during the war, (1918). How did they know there'd be more than one to number them sequentially? LoL WW2 wasn't even called that till the very end in 1945 at the very, very earliest.
In August of 2015, the indictment against Thrasher was dismissed under the belief that he is likely deceased. Investigators now believe that he died in the Belize plane crash. However, neither he nor his remains have ever been located. Investigators have noted that even if Thrasher was found alive, it would be difficult to prosecute him because witnesses are unavailable and too much time has passed.
I remember seeing this when it originally aired back in 1995 around a decade after Thrasher disappeared. I was living in SWVA at the time and knew people who had known Thrasher before he vanished. The authorities had conclusive evidence that Thrasher was still alive long after the alleged plane crash in Belize but he was living in a country that does not extradite criminals to the US. Thrasher was born in 1940 so if he is still alive he would be over 80 years old. Many of the witnesses are dead and the investigators have retired from LE or are dead. At this point it would be practically impossible to prove anything other than the fact that an airplane he owned crashed into a mountainside with a load of dope on board back in 1984 Proving that the dope actually belonged to Thrasher may have been a problem for LE way back in 1984 since Thrasher was obviously not on board the plane when it crashed. He could have claimed he rented his plane to the dead pilot and had no idea the dude was using it to run drugs. With a good lawyer he may have walked even back then. Thrasher had been caught red handed with dope twice before and got off by bribing the authorities in Mexico (after doing some time in the slammer) and bought off the Bahamian authorities after he strayed too close to Cuba with a plane load of dope and Cuban Migs forced him to land in Bimini. Another time he ran his yacht aground on a sandbar off South Carolina with a load of dope while trying to run Murrell's inlet. Thrasher and the others on board quickly abandoned the yacht and although the boat and the dope were later confiscated by the authorities, Thrasher walked because the cops had no way to prove that he had been on the boat with the dope.
They're both formidable voice actors. Mr Stack is good in certain capacity like this show but can you imagine him doing comedy? I'm just trying to find some diverse reason to say no one is perfect for every situation.
I've never met my double but there's this girl in my school that looks a LOT like me. Like, once we were sitting together at Sunday school and the priest came in the room, pointed to us and said "Are you twins?", and even worse, my dad once bought the local newspaper because "I appeared in a photo" on one of the news regarding a science project in my school. I opened the newspaper and I was pissed because it was her and my own father managed to get me confused with her.
I once saw a man eating in a restaurant near my home about 22 years ago that was a mirror image of my uncle. The man was eating with co workers at another table and I had a clear view of him. I had to stop my self from staring. By that time my uncle had died months prior so it was unnerving to see someones who looked exactly like him. I didn't know what to make of it though. I thought at the time that the random nature of things did not make such an occurrence impossible but I thought later on about his height and generalappearance which also matched so I don't know if there is more to the story.
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I always wondered why those security guards didn't tell any of the firefighters that there was explosives in the trailers before they went to put the fire out there.
In July of 2017, almost twenty-eight years to the day of Pam's disappearance, Pam's family received a formal letter from the Maricopa County Attorney's office. The letter states that based on new interviews and investigation, if Robert Page was alive today, he would be charged with second-degree murder in Pam's case. Due to his death, the office considers the case closed. However, her family is still hoping to find her remains. Sadly, Pam's father has since passed away.
The Ken Palmer mystery was never resolved and Ken passed in 2006 at age 90. I have to think about the details though and how striking the stories are. I know it may sound far-fetched, but I wonder if his double was him accidentally crossed over from an alternate reality where details were similar, but slightly different. Then the brief link between realities passed and they were separated.
I saw a Dopplerdanger who looks exactly like me even drives same car as me two years ago then suddenly he disappeared which is very strange he works at a local Waffle House.He disappeared same time my car broke down
I can't believe how quickly the Peoria AZ police gave up on Pam Page's disappearance. They should've turned that house _upside down_ for physical evidence, if need be.
My uncle's cousin looks exactly like him too. The first time I met the cousin it didn't even register in my mind that it wasn't my uncle. I chatted with him the way I would my uncle, tho he was a stranger to me. Then it sank in that my uncle was over a thousand miles away from where we were at the time.
The Palmer Twins episode is my 2nd. Best Unsolved Mysteries episode #1 being the church explosion #3 The Spiral staircase#4 Nikki Crowder episode#5 Children on a school bus eye witness to a UFO sightings and beings with Black overalls on.
Is this lady the worlds best psychic? You hand her a photo and she knows every detail about the murder? So why dont they solve all cases with her and other psychics then? I mean it doesnt take a psychic to figure out Rob has to be the one who did this. I felt it within the first few mins
@@poppyfield1619 not usually I wouldn't think. Because while detectives aren't that intuitive like a psychic, they do collect evidence which proves the psychic couldn't have possibly done it. I gotta watch this episode again as I completely forgot what it was about but by reading these old comments, it seems interesting
@@poppyfield1619 There's a UM episode where the psychic actually ended up in jail because she had found the body of a missing woman the police was looking for. They eventually found the killers and turns out the psychic had no connection to them.
After rewatching a BUNCH! of these old UM episodes I realized that all Mr Ballen does is a low budget version of this show where he tells the story instead of film a re-enactment of the events as they took place. Gotta say after coming to that realization I like Robert Stacks show a whole lot better.
I met my double in 1977 at college. We were from different areas attending a college 2-3 hours away from our homes. We hung out a few times together. People couldn't tell us apart. Even my girlfriend at the time couldn't tell the difference, except for our voices. He mentioned he didn't mind because he would have girls approach him, sit on his lap in the student lounge and begin talking to him, thinking it was me. Unfortunately, he left school, returning to his hometown and we lost contact.
4:45 seconds in,. i am probably wrong about this but my first suspicioun is that rob wrote the note to throw off investigators, and has something to do with the disappearence of his wife.
Unbelievable. Rob would’ve NEVER gotten away with what he did to Pam today - not with all the surveillance cameras everywhere. This story never fails to anger me no matter how many times I’ve seen this.
Thanks for episode of unsolved mysteries Rob page is a evil Pathological liar🤬 who murdered pam page just like that evil lying assho😡 paul polis who killed his with wife charlotte polis pam's remains is somewhere out there I Pray both cases is Finally solved truly a sad case😪😭
Judges can't be fired. They are either elected or appointed. They must be impeached or removed. And it is the judge's discretion. That is the power we give to the judicial system. HIs reversal of the sentence may be egregious, but it was legal. Wait a few years and see what Trump's judicial appointments will do. This will seem like kindergarten play.
@@prometheusunbound7628 , Judges are the most Corrupt people who have no conscience and they think they are above the law. The majority of Judges will rot in Hell.🔥
Uuuh... let's say there's a law that forbids any judge to change people's life sentences. What would happen in cases of miscarriage of justice? That would be a dangerous precedent to set.
What the hell were the people who killed six firefighters What the hell were These People Thinking!? the Kansas City firefighters is so tragic I Seen this Segment so many times and I Cry when the firefighters were killed and when they were found it is still shattering to watch How can people be so cruel and heartless! What the hell were they thinking? glad they caught the Killers it does not bring the six men back but it gives their families closure and justice being served hope the killers rot and roast in hell .
I find it hard to believe nobody went into a car parts store looking for an ignition switch. I worked in one as a teen and that was one of the most sold parts next to oil filters, oil, light bulbs etc
YTF wouldn’t they have told the first guys about the explosives?!? Didn’t think to say anything to the first guys! Those deaths are on those security people
Exactly was just saying that, that man who said nothing is a coward,and that lady who forgot to mention that til the end shouldnt have that job in the first damn place.disgusting man and no blame goes on them pathetic.
@@rogerscottcathey I doubt they even think of it all blame has gone to the ones who set it, I hope they are the type to take responsibility but many arent especially when given a free pass like these two idiots did they were never blamed for there late intel.
If only that chance meeting between those two guys who were supposedly identical twins happened in today's times with the advent of smartphones and social media, they would have easily stayed in touch and could have been in each other's lives. Sad no such thing existed during that time.... This case always made me sad.
I do that I go to sleep watching them. The arson story was the saddest thing I have heard. All of those very brave firefighters with wives and children. What a cowardly trap to set to maximise the damage caused. All those lives affected , absolutely tragic
I think Wallace thrasher nickname "squirrel" Didn't die in the plane crash He's very much alive Somewhere in the U.S or Possibly in A Foreign country such as Australia Living The good life let's hope he is Apprehended soon
The Palmer Double episode, wow, reminded me in 1964 wile stationed in Seattle,Washington and had many liberties there on Pike and Pine streets but had been put on restriction aboard my ship one day. Next day i was allowed liberty so i went down to Pine Street where this guy i knew told me " hay Clyde last night i seen you on the streets in your street clothes then i called out to you but you didn't stop or turn around so i called out again but still you kept on walking"i said man, that wasn't me i was put on restriction aboard my ship all day yesterday until today. He said that was you even your same looks, hair, even same eye glasses. I looked at him and said Wow man that's Spooky
Or how about that dumb ass lady who forgot to mention she thinks explosives are in the truck and trailer as well until that other captain got there at the very end, and that dumb ass guy as well.
Soldiers who were doubles first thing that Comes to mind is shouldn't there be a clear record and pictures associated militarily to be viewed.. and initially shouldn't there have been a smoke Trail with the name and the train ticket associated with time and destinations... to be investigated for example as investigators would commonly used to Trail a suspect.. Witnesses at train stations seeing this person disembark .
Who goes to a family reunion to declare their life sucks? Also, as an owner of a couple of herniated discs, and past sciatica. Us women always sort personal crap when our backs act up🤧
It’s shocking to me that anyone could ever actually think that anything a psychic says is worth a damn. There’s a reason every single one of them state that they are “for entertainment purposes only”.
The official tale of events mirrors the show's reenactment. The security guards told them about the explosives in the trailer - but the head firefighter on site deemed there wasn't a danger and based on this ... breakdown in communication ... they died. They politely tiptoe around this on the show (interview with the assistant fire chief and the bunkers). They didn't deserve to die, but it can be partly attributed to a bad judgement call. The interesting part is that years later reports were released that indicate the female security guard on site that night was involved. That was her truck on fire. She's never been arrested or tried for her part in it likely due to a lack of concrete evidence. Though if you read into everything involving her, fellow employees - it's pretty clear she's involved if not primarily responsible.
Pam page was a very eerie bizzare dissaperence let's just say if in fact it's TRUE that the husband didn't do it then what happened and why ??? Truly disturbing
Of course the husband did it. 🙄 By 2017, the prosecutor’s office determined that they had enough evidence to charge Pam’s husband with second degree murder. He died of cancer eight years earlier.
im very surprised he got away with it. there was obviously just too little evidence to go to trial lack of motive etc. The guys story is far fetched and full of holes.
So the psychic is right about the prey building and the name of the street period why didn't the police dig up the area near the tracks where she described Pam was
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Hands up if you put Unsolved Mysteries on at bedtime then end up watching a whole episode because the cases are just so interesting. 🙋🏽♀️
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In July of 2017, almost twenty-eight years to the day of Pam's disappearance, Pam's family received a formal letter from the Maricopa County Attorney's office. The letter states that based on new interviews and investigation, if Robert Page was alive today, he would be charged with second-degree murder in Pam's case. Due to his death, the office considers the case closed. However, her family is still hoping to find her remains.
Sadly, Pam's father has since passed away.
Thank you!
It took them 27 years to come up with that. 🙄
@@MyKali2009 Right! I wonder what made them give up on him as a suspect in the first🤔
🥀RIP Pam
Well the husband got away with murder. Smh
Anytime I see a case with a typed letter (versus hand written) in a suicide or missing persons, I am automatically suspicious.
Yeah I agree...nobody would type a bloody letter like that. Especially not in the 80's and 90's.
It's unlikely somebody about to commit suicide will set down & type out a letter.
At any rate Erica, he got rid of her on the cheap.
Who you talking to Jaroncreed? Why are you so rude?
@@thegodfather1907 Ikr? Wasn't a need for all that. Hell I say, the person committing suicide will do it the way they want it to be done. It's that simple.
I just love Ken Palmer's laughter, it tells you a lot about a person and he definitely seems to have been a great and good man.
They were probably twins, separated at birth.
I grew up with Ken Palmer. Sweet guy
@@Greg400 did he/his family ever figure it out?
24:58 - It's so haunting to hear that dispatch. That Kansas city blast segment is chilling and extremely tragic, difficult to watch. Glad they caught the killers.
You can see in some of their faces that they messed up big time, didn't expect it'd go that way, and that they deserved the punishment. So sad, indeed.
Always hits extra hard when firefighters get killed. They are some of our bravest. Many of the guys (like the ones who responded to 9/11, die prematurely of various cancers if they do survive the fires. Breathing in all those burning toxins....
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Absolutely haunting, yes! That woman standing there as the dispatch calls out over and over sent chills down my spine. I don't know why but it really got me. On the other story about the squirrel. I think he went on to become a senator for Arizona. Talk about uncanny resemblances, I swear that guy could be John McCain. And then they follow that story up about a doppleganger. That's just weird, strange and eerie.
What this show could never have known is that there would be a tragedy in Kansas City that was just as horrible or even worse. Precious Doe.
This was so weird to watch because Pam Page was my great aunt. I never met her, but my mom knew her and remembers learning how to shuffle cards from her. I remember seeing people that spoke in this at family reunions. In one of the pictures great aunt Pam was standing next to my great granny. This was just extremely weird to watch. Rob 100% did it, I have no doubts. My mom just told me that this actually caused a really big rift between Rob and Pam's side of the family. Pam was my mom's mother's sister and Rob was my mom's father's brother (it's not incest, it's as if siblings from different families got together) so it caused alot of conflict in the family. Yeah, this was weird, but interesting
Maricopa County Attorney's office stated that based on new interviews and investigation, if Robert Page was alive today, he would be charged with second-degree murder in Pam's case. But he's long dead, the remains were never found. It remains an unsolved mystery to this day.
So sorry to hear about the rift in the family. I hope justice will be done in Pam's case.
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Wow.
There is no doubt Robert killed his wife can’t believe the police let him go what a miscarriage of justice
Give me a break! How can a husband who writes a fake letter, moves his wife's car and lies to police and family not be a murder susoect?? He must have friends at the police department. Shane on them. Pam is alnost certaibly dead and the police seem to have just let it slide. Terrible.
You're looking at things emotionally. Not from the point of view of logic & evidence. I'm sure the husband was under suspicion, but they had nothing to charge him with.
@@refinedsugarthis is a very condescending response
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@@creativeuserneimlol you soft
@thatsroughbuddy.100 its all about evidence if you can or cant prove something...its not about what you THINK happened
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The first story: the husband is obviously guilty as hell, but I wouldn't ever recommend a innocent person to ever take a polygraph. They are complete bs and there's a reason they are inadmissible in court. My cousin stole a four wheeler from a deputy sheriff years ago and was given a polygraph. He passed with flying colors and laughed about it later. He said when they asked him a question, he asked another one in his mind.
"Did you steal the 4-wheeler?"...but
In his mind: Do you dress up in women's clothing and rub mayonnaise on your face?
No.
Did he get to keep the 4 wheeler?
@@SeriousSchitt He had it hid in the woods for a while, then he eventually burnt it to the ground. They were never able to charge him though.
@Nyree Harris My cousin. Yeah he pretty much is. Stole his first car at 10, it's been a life of crime for him ever since.
Grant Wiley Esq. Which may explain how he beat a polygraph test. The test works by measuring a person's physical reaction to their answers - if a person lies, it's typically accompanied by slight increases in heart rate, etc., and that's what the polygraph detects. A psychopath would typically not have any such physical reaction.
you know DAMN WELL he rubs the mayo on his skin or else he rides the 4 wheeler again 🤣😂
I'm irrationally upset that Ken Palmer never met his double.
Me too! Really upset!
he did... didnt you see the story?
@@ananthrao7802 Unsolved. Sadly, Ken passed away in May 2006 at the age of ninety. It is unknown if he ever located his double, although several people have claimed to know the man.
Sad… ken seemed like a very nice guy. You can not help but wonder what happened to the other Mr Palmer.
@@menchielota8304 probably dead now
Ken Palmer died in 2006. It is unknown if he ever saw John again. Several people have claimed to have known him.
I'm kinda glad they never found one another. That moment was SO much more magical to them cause they didn't.
I honestly don’t know why UM took up that story. So he saw someone who looked like him. Every Italian-American who goes to visit Italy probably has a similar experience.
@@ytyt3922 *Facepalm*
Was looking up to.find a update kinda figure they never did meet again i would have just not got on the train and spent more time knowing the orher me if i was him
thankyou I was so hoping theyd have a update at the end. Breaks my heart they never got to connect. It sounds like there was something there!
I always used to watch this show as a kid. It’s so great now to see the updates and find out what happened. A lot of the stories stuck in my mind for all these years.
If Rerun isn't the cutest name for a Dachshund I don't know what is 🤷♀️
He must have killed Rerun as well😔😔
@@poppyfield1619 I know 😢
Definitely not ‘Cujo’.
Robert Page passed away in 2009. In 2017, the District Attorney's office sent a formal letter to Pam's family stating that they believed they had enough evidence to charge Robert with 2nd degree murder of his wife had he still been alive and that they considered the case closed. Pam's father has also passed away since this story aired and a cousin has also mysteriously disappeared in an unrelated case and never found.
Wow! I do believe Rob did it.
Why not 1st degree murder 🤔🤣
@@patriciajrs46me too, but honestly I would have loved if Pam had actually done what she said in that letter and leave this piece of shit for a woman
Disappointed that the story *Fugitive Squirrel* wasn't about a squirrel that was running from the law.
With what charges would an actually squirrel be indicted? Theft of some peanuts ;-) LOL?
Stack was trying to keep a straight face when he uttered the word squirrel.
Bite Wastard comment 😂
No Brazil nuts from South of the border....after the airplane accident in Belize his wife couls say "everyone knew it was a bad idea to have a squirrel fly an airplane".
Watching + learning from Australia.
Thank you for the upload UM 👌😉
@Sheriff Hoyt Back at ya champ 😁😃
A dingo stole my baby when I was puttin another shrimp on the barbie.
I’m also watching from Australia, love the show also love Forensic Files.
@@TF80s Hey you reminded me about a case i watched or I think maybe it was a made for tv movie yrs ago about a family I think went camping and they left their infant daughter in the ⛺ and when they returned all that was left was the clothes the baby was wearing. I think it happened in Australia I don't know if you know the case
Story changed, didn't want to be interviewed for this segment, refused a polygraph test. That right there is a man who killed his wife. I hope he's rotting in hell right now.
The end said hes no longer a suspected
@Jasper Jones When I was in the Army, I was chosen to be a guinea pig for law enforcement trainees on poygraph testing. As soon as I was hooked up I was nervous as hell, even though it was just for training purposes. Just felt like an open book, and thats not a good feeling. They asked me all kinds of things like if i was into espionage, and of course I wasnt. I was 18 years old fresh out of high school. My test came back inconclusive.
how when he's alive and free...
@@jacobkenney2026 According this he passed away 2009. unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Pam_Page
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Thank you for your service.
Whenever I would go over to my gma's house back in the 80's, she would watch unsolved mysteries and it scared the hell out of me. Now when I hear the theme I get goose bumps, and the hair on the back of my neck stands up.
Who did you kill.maybe you killed someone and thought your case would be on there
So Rob Page got away with murder, I assume we can all agree on that.
Depends what u mean by "got away". He will be judged by God at death.
@@Romans8-9 That’s correct!
Happens all the time.
Sure do.
Agreed 💯%
Thank you for the subtitles, Filmrise.
I was intrigued by the last story. Although I've never met him, I seem to have a double in the area where I live. Several times over the last 20 years, I have been told by friends and co-workers that I've been spotted in a bunch of places I've never been...so I know I have a doppelganger. If it's really true, I feel sorry for that dude if he ends up looking exactly like me!
He printed the letter, signed it, drove her Corvette to a store, got a cab home, just do he could go get it, before anyone saw it? Makes perfect sense. Any rational innocent person would do the same.
Don't forget how he didn't tell her family or how he said he filed a missing persons report but really didn't.
I think Palmer saw himself from another time or dimension....especially with the missing paper 📝
I thought the same thing! It's crazy, but it makes sense.
I think he's full of shit
It sounds like the Temporal Merging Hypothesis.
with different first names & from different states & towns with different relatives? Mmmmkaaaay
1943:
the hadron collider didn't even exist yet so stop...
You're probably the same people that think they called it WW1 during the war, (1918). How did they know there'd be more than one to number them sequentially? LoL WW2 wasn't even called that till the very end in 1945 at the very, very earliest.
In August of 2015, the indictment against Thrasher was dismissed under the belief that he is likely deceased. Investigators now believe that he died in the Belize plane crash. However, neither he nor his remains have ever been located. Investigators have noted that even if Thrasher was found alive, it would be difficult to prosecute him because witnesses are unavailable and too much time has passed.
I remember seeing this when it originally aired back in 1995 around a decade after Thrasher disappeared. I was living in SWVA at the time and knew people who had known Thrasher before he vanished. The authorities had conclusive evidence that Thrasher was still alive long after the alleged plane crash in Belize but he was living in a country that does not extradite criminals to the US.
Thrasher was born in 1940 so if he is still alive he would be over 80 years old. Many of the witnesses are dead and the investigators have retired from LE or are dead. At this point it would be practically impossible to prove anything other than the fact that an airplane he owned crashed into a mountainside with a load of dope on board back in 1984
Proving that the dope actually belonged to Thrasher may have been a problem for LE way back in 1984 since Thrasher was obviously not on board the plane when it crashed. He could have claimed he rented his plane to the dead pilot and had no idea the dude was using it to run drugs. With a good lawyer he may have walked even back then.
Thrasher had been caught red handed with dope twice before and got off by bribing the authorities in Mexico (after doing some time in the slammer) and bought off the Bahamian authorities after he strayed too close to Cuba with a plane load of dope and Cuban Migs forced him to land in Bimini. Another time he ran his yacht aground on a sandbar off South Carolina with a load of dope while trying to run Murrell's inlet. Thrasher and the others on board quickly abandoned the yacht and although the boat and the dope were later confiscated by the authorities, Thrasher walked because the cops had no way to prove that he had been on the boat with the dope.
@@trevorn9381 he was a great man and a fabulous individual. Rip
@tevorn9381 Wow! Thanks for the info!
Thank you for uploading these!
3:28 AM and I'm hooked watching 😭
Everybody always raving about Morgan freemans voice, I would take Robert stacks voice over Morgan's any day of the week
Morgan Freeman sounds like the lunch-lady at my old school..."take a biscuit, baby"
They're both formidable voice actors. Mr Stack is good in certain capacity like this show but can you imagine him doing comedy? I'm just trying to find some diverse reason to say no one is perfect for every situation.
@@MisterMister5893well Robert Stack was in "Beavis & Butthead Do America".
@@gabriellahcorleone132 Haha, thanks for reminding me.
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I've never met my double but there's this girl in my school that looks a LOT like me. Like, once we were sitting together at Sunday school and the priest came in the room, pointed to us and said "Are you twins?", and even worse, my dad once bought the local newspaper because "I appeared in a photo" on one of the news regarding a science project in my school. I opened the newspaper and I was pissed because it was her and my own father managed to get me confused with her.
I met my doppelganger at a fitness week in Banff Alberta, Canada
There are many doppleganger stories. There are also cases where twins were separated at birth, in hidden pregnancies.
My Aunt stood and talked to a woman for 2 whole minutes before realizing it was not me.
I once saw a man eating in a restaurant near my home about 22 years ago that was a mirror image of my uncle. The man was eating with co workers at another table and I had a clear view of him. I had to stop my self from staring. By that time my uncle had died months prior so it was unnerving to see someones who looked exactly like him. I didn't know what to make of it though. I thought at the time that the random nature of things did not make such an occurrence impossible but I thought later on about his height and generalappearance which also matched so I don't know if there is more to the story.
You should stay away from Doppelgangers because it's said they are not humans
Ken Palmer passed in May of 2006 at 90 years old. It is unclear if Ken ever found his double but many people have claimed to know the man.
Oh no that's really too bad. RIP Ken.
Mr. Palmer was one of my neighbors growing up, he was a really nice guy.
Always loved this show
Me too my favorite show but only robert stack hosting it
God the Palmer man was so sweet! Anyone have an update?
Istill want an update on the palmers
I have been searching for this episode.
Not even on the UM page. I don't think they ever connected.
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I always wondered why those security guards didn't tell any of the firefighters that there was explosives in the trailers before they went to put the fire out there.
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They did. The head firefighter made the incorrect call to go in. This segment doesn't spell it out.
The Husband in the First story segment sounds Shakey as Hell, it’s obvious he’s not telling the truth, he changed his story about 3 Times..Lol 🤦🏾♂️
He literally got away with murder.
In July of 2017, almost twenty-eight years to the day of Pam's disappearance, Pam's family received a formal letter from the Maricopa County Attorney's office. The letter states that based on new interviews and investigation, if Robert Page was alive today, he would be charged with second-degree murder in Pam's case. Due to his death, the office considers the case closed. However, her family is still hoping to find her remains.
Sadly, Pam's father has since passed away.
@@thegoodguy44 oh wow; thanks for this update! He was guilty as hell! When did he die?
technically he CHANGED his story once...aka he had 2 different stories
Rosita West He died in 2009 from cancer.
The Ken Palmer mystery was never resolved and Ken passed in 2006 at age 90. I have to think about the details though and how striking the stories are. I know it may sound far-fetched, but I wonder if his double was him accidentally crossed over from an alternate reality where details were similar, but slightly different. Then the brief link between realities passed and they were separated.
I always wondered if something weird happened with that myself, like a paranormal encounter of some kind
That is wild but something is off because the family would have found him at some point
Sounds like a Dostoevsky novel 😅
I saw a Dopplerdanger who looks exactly like me even drives same car as me two years ago then suddenly he disappeared which is very strange he works at a local Waffle House.He disappeared same time my car broke down
@@kinglord7707 bro what 🤣
@10:04-Now that's a computer.
UGH! I was hoping for a update on the Ken Palmer case. Sucks :( . That's some Twilight Zone stuff right there.
Yup.
no joke 😳 damnnn
He fell asleep had a dream, end of.
Mandela effect maybe? He and his counterpart from another reality momentarily existed in the same one??
true 20csome years no update...they are dead now.
The segments on firefighters dying while trying to save lives put out fires is so heartbreaking
That’s kinda eerie hearing her describe Coolidge. I live in the same county that Coolidge is in 😱
You are the woman who helped him :-O.
I can't believe how quickly the Peoria AZ police gave up on Pam Page's disappearance. They should've turned that house _upside down_ for physical evidence, if need be.
Maybe the Palmer guys were cousins? My first cousin looks just like me but paler. We even have similar interests and personality.
My uncle's cousin looks exactly like him too. The first time I met the cousin it didn't even register in my mind that it wasn't my uncle. I chatted with him the way I would my uncle, tho he was a stranger to me. Then it sank in that my uncle was over a thousand miles away from where we were at the time.
I hope that explosion was so quick and violent, that those men never knew it happened. I have sadness over them. That truely touched me.
The fact one suspect was released after 20 years is sad.
@@BallinNQnz The security guards did it. ruclips.net/video/aFpnAHuCtAI/видео.html
I feel sorry for the widows of those firefighters. One of my worst fears is loosing my husband...especially suddenly like that😢
So were the 5 arsons union or non-union or simply thieves?
Lo mejor de los mejor de los programas de los 90s - saludos desde Lima Perú !!!!!!!
The Palmer Twins episode is my 2nd. Best Unsolved Mysteries episode #1 being the church explosion #3 The Spiral staircase#4 Nikki Crowder episode#5 Children on a school bus eye witness to a UFO sightings and beings with Black overalls on.
Is this lady the worlds best psychic? You hand her a photo and she knows every detail about the murder? So why dont they solve all cases with her and other psychics then? I mean it doesnt take a psychic to figure out Rob has to be the one who did this. I felt it within the first few mins
I often wonder if psychics are ever considered suspects🤔
@@poppyfield1619 not usually I wouldn't think. Because while detectives aren't that intuitive like a psychic, they do collect evidence which proves the psychic couldn't have possibly done it. I gotta watch this episode again as I completely forgot what it was about but by reading these old comments, it seems interesting
@@poppyfield1619 good grief :o
@@baileysadlier4769 haha!
@@poppyfield1619 There's a UM episode where the psychic actually ended up in jail because she had found the body of a missing woman the police was looking for. They eventually found the killers and turns out the psychic had no connection to them.
Very good episode.
What made the police decide that Pam's husband is not a suspect? He's the only suspect, from what I can see.
MIGTOW
Because you're an american female who's taught to hate men.
Don't fret the CCP will treat you much better when they take over.
It was him
@UCDEJ6QtCjV2O60gYI6t-Bpg the hell does that mean?
Wait, I've got it. You're an idiot
re: the Palmer twins . . . To quote Qui-Gon Jinn, "Our meeting was not a coincidence, nothing happens by accident."
"If you define yourself by your power to take life, your desire to dominate, to possess, then you have NOTHING". - Obi Wan Kenobi.
Or, in reality, everything happens by accident. Everything is coincidence. There is no "plan." Makes more sense to me.
@@prometheusunbound7628 This; if someone is planning everything, said someone needs their ass handed to them.
I wonder if Ken Palmer is still alive. There is a James Palmer in New Jersey
@@1957jmhiser1 No he died in 2006, at the age of 90.
After rewatching a BUNCH! of these old UM episodes I realized that all Mr Ballen does is a low budget version of this show where he tells the story instead of film a re-enactment of the events as they took place. Gotta say after coming to that realization I like Robert Stacks show a whole lot better.
Rob page killed his wife.
No doubt
Yes he did it's obvious he did
No prove sorry
What is your evidence?
She watched the episode, duh. That's better than going to law school these days
The video store owners with a dog named Rerun?
This first story literally happened 30 years ago to the day just about. They said Mid July 1989
Makes sense
My first thought was ReRun from Good Times, the old TV show.
That's awesome!
Robert Stack, the music and the his voice is creepy, but loved his show
Lmaooo when Robert Stack tried to make it seem like he had a double 😭
Tryn'a pull the switch on us one time...🤣😂
Why can’t that double host the new unsolved mysteries?! 😂
His nickname was squirrel because his ability to outrun trouble somewhere afterwards it went wrong boy it went wrong before
I met my double in 1977 at college. We were from different areas attending a college 2-3 hours away from our homes. We hung out a few times together. People couldn't tell us apart. Even my girlfriend at the time couldn't tell the difference, except for our voices. He mentioned he didn't mind because he would have girls approach him, sit on his lap in the student lounge and begin talking to him, thinking it was me. Unfortunately, he left school, returning to his hometown and we lost contact.
4:45 seconds in,. i am probably wrong about this but my first suspicioun is that rob wrote the note to throw off investigators, and has something to do with the disappearence of his wife.
Note sounds very suspicious
8 mins in now...I am starting to believe my hunch was absolutely correct!!
Hardly a hunch...it was as obvious as the nose on Pinocchio's face.
@@TF80s lol
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Everytime I hear the name Pam, I flashback to Cosmo Kramer repeating the name, "Pam. Pam." in only a way he could.
“She can bring home the bacon and fry it in the pan.”
he killed pam
Unbelievable. Rob would’ve NEVER gotten away with what he did to Pam today - not with all the surveillance cameras everywhere. This story never fails to anger me no matter how many times I’ve seen this.
Ken Palmer is just a delight.
Thanks for episode of unsolved mysteries Rob page is a evil Pathological liar🤬 who murdered pam page just like that evil lying assho😡 paul polis who killed his with wife charlotte polis pam's remains is somewhere out there I Pray both cases is Finally solved truly a sad case😪😭
A life sentences, should NEVER! be allowed to change. That judge should be fired
Judges can't be fired. They are either elected or appointed. They must be impeached or removed. And it is the judge's discretion. That is the power we give to the judicial system. HIs reversal of the sentence may be egregious, but it was legal. Wait a few years and see what Trump's judicial appointments will do. This will seem like kindergarten play.
@@prometheusunbound7628 , Judges are the most Corrupt people who have no conscience and they think they are above the law. The majority of Judges will rot in Hell.🔥
Uuuh... let's say there's a law that forbids any judge to change people's life sentences. What would happen in cases of miscarriage of justice? That would be a dangerous precedent to set.
1200 lbs of weed on fire...geeezus! bet those police were out of commission for the night.
Or two weeks!!👀👀👀🤑🤪🌿🌿🌿🌿😂🤣😂
I was thinking the same thing lol.
The donut shops were in a panic. 😂
The Update does not explain why hubby is no longer considered a suspect.
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If pam was my daughter or sister that husband would of went missing as well.
What the hell were the people who killed six firefighters What the hell were These People Thinking!? the Kansas City firefighters is so tragic I Seen this Segment so many times and I Cry when the firefighters were killed and when they were found it is still shattering to watch How can people be so cruel and heartless! What the hell were they thinking? glad they caught the Killers it does not bring the six men back but it gives their families closure and justice being served hope the killers rot and roast in hell .
I find it hard to believe nobody went into a car parts store looking for an ignition switch. I worked in one as a teen and that was one of the most sold parts next to oil filters, oil, light bulbs etc
I remember when the firefighters died. I live 20 miles away from the site. Two big shock waves rattled the house.
YTF wouldn’t they have told the first guys about the explosives?!? Didn’t think to say anything to the first guys! Those deaths are on those security people
I know. Unbelievable. They have to live with it.
Exactly was just saying that, that man who said nothing is a coward,and that lady who forgot to mention that til the end shouldnt have that job in the first damn place.disgusting man and no blame goes on them pathetic.
@@rogerscottcathey I doubt they even think of it all blame has gone to the ones who set it, I hope they are the type to take responsibility but many arent especially when given a free pass like these two idiots did they were never blamed for there late intel.
If only that chance meeting between those two guys who were supposedly identical twins happened in today's times with the advent of smartphones and social media, they would have easily stayed in touch and could have been in each other's lives. Sad no such thing existed during that time....
This case always made me sad.
totally huh.. theywould have exchanged emails or added each other on their instagram
Good idea having the safe within plain view of the video rental customers
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I do that I go to sleep watching them.
The arson story was the saddest thing I have heard. All of those very brave firefighters with wives and children.
What a cowardly trap to set to maximise the damage caused. All those lives affected , absolutely tragic
The first story literally happened 30 years ago to the day.
Ecstatically Extreme thought about that too!
We are getting old
I think Wallace thrasher nickname "squirrel" Didn't die in the plane crash He's very much alive Somewhere in the U.S or Possibly in A Foreign country such as Australia Living The good life let's hope he is Apprehended soon
29:49 Love when there’s updates like that!
a Dog named rerun for people who own a video store,man that's classic.
Major city like Kansas City only sends one pumper to a warehouse fire total thing is strange could have been a setup
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The Palmer Double episode, wow, reminded me in 1964 wile stationed in Seattle,Washington and had many liberties there on Pike and Pine streets but had been put on restriction aboard my ship one day. Next day i was allowed liberty so i went down to Pine Street where this guy i knew told me " hay Clyde last night i seen you on the streets in your street clothes then i called out to you but you didn't stop or turn around so i called out again but still you kept on walking"i said man, that wasn't me i was put on restriction aboard my ship all day yesterday until today. He said that was you even your same looks, hair, even same eye glasses. I looked at him and said Wow man that's Spooky
So. They obviouslysentenced the arsenists.
How come nobody locked up the person leaving explosives in a place that is not fpr explosives ?!
Or how about that dumb ass lady who forgot to mention she thinks explosives are in the truck and trailer as well until that other captain got there at the very end, and that dumb ass guy as well.
Why reduce a life sentence to 20 years 🙄
That's a unsolved mystery
If I met my exact double. I'd want to go out to dinner with him at a restaurant of his choice. Seeing if we had the same tastes in restaurants.
I’m having sex with mine because I’m gorgeous! Lol
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I saw a man that looked identical to me; we fell in love.......this is called a twin flame
Watch Enemy (2013)
I am in Arizona. I am from Missouri!
Soldiers who were doubles first thing that Comes to mind is shouldn't there be a clear record and pictures associated militarily to be viewed.. and initially shouldn't there have been a smoke Trail with the name and the train ticket associated with time and destinations... to be investigated for example as investigators would commonly used to Trail a suspect.. Witnesses at train stations seeing this person disembark .
The budget Unsolved Mysteries had for super tight skinny jeans must have been insane!🤯
Who goes to a family reunion to declare their life sucks? Also, as an owner of a couple of herniated discs, and past sciatica. Us women always sort personal crap when our backs act up🤧
It’s shocking to me that anyone could ever actually think that anything a psychic says is worth a damn. There’s a reason every single one of them state that they are “for entertainment purposes only”.
I think the wife told him she was going to leave him, he had a powertrip and killed her and then divorced her so he could be the one to leave her.
He also had a secret lover
He also had the greatest excuse to keep all the money that was taken (supposedly by Pam) from the safe
That's because you have feminine instincts that cause you to think like a female.
Good stuff
2021still watching ☺️☺️
I feel like the security guards didnt tell them there were explosives in the trailers verses the bunkers. I'm gunna have to replay this.
The official tale of events mirrors the show's reenactment. The security guards told them about the explosives in the trailer - but the head firefighter on site deemed there wasn't a danger and based on this ... breakdown in communication ... they died.
They politely tiptoe around this on the show (interview with the assistant fire chief and the bunkers). They didn't deserve to die, but it can be partly attributed to a bad judgement call.
The interesting part is that years later reports were released that indicate the female security guard on site that night was involved. That was her truck on fire. She's never been arrested or tried for her part in it likely due to a lack of concrete evidence. Though if you read into everything involving her, fellow employees - it's pretty clear she's involved if not primarily responsible.
if the man has no known twin, then it could be the parallel version of him
Sorry, but that's ridiculous
It's just his doppelganger
Maybe it's distant relative
I think he dreamt it to be honest.
There are 7.7 billion people on earth, we all have approximate doppelgangers and more specific doppelgangers.
*Nice Toyota Truck!*
Pam page was a very eerie bizzare dissaperence let's just say if in fact it's TRUE that the husband didn't do it then what happened and why ??? Truly disturbing
Of course the husband did it. 🙄 By 2017, the prosecutor’s office determined that they had enough evidence to charge Pam’s husband with second degree murder. He died of cancer eight years earlier.
This Sarah person has some explaining to do.
what kind of radio did the firetruck have the would survive explosions?
Pam's red hair wow so beautiful!
10:14 Love that 80s computer font!! 😁
im very surprised he got away with it. there was obviously just too little evidence to go to trial lack of motive etc. The guys story is far fetched and full of holes.
Who
A printed suicide note? I wouldn't buy that from the get go
Bryon Miller yep and also that signature is a clear forgery.
Rob got away with murder. He is guilty. He changed his story.
Ken Palmer looks like a young Ernie Borgnine. Wow! I truly hope he could find his twin, or whatever the man was.
So the psychic is right about the prey building and the name of the street period why didn't the police dig up the area near the tracks where she described Pam was
Exactly
Especially since they say she worked with police for 10 yrs which means they trusted her judgement.
She could've taken them to the spot and pointed to it and they still wouldn't dig because she's a psychic, ya know?