The Problem With Hogwarts Housing System
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- Опубликовано: 19 ноя 2019
- The Hogwarts housing system and sorting is deeply flawed and there are more than just a few problems with it. The ramifications of your Hogwarts house could impact a witch or wizard in their adult life.
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Maybe the sorting hat should have stayed with Godric Gryffindor in medieval times. The Hogwarts housing system is deeply flawed and can lead to division within the Wizarding World and for the Potter fanbase. Could you imagine if your entire future was decided when you were only 11 years old? Don't forget to leave your thoughts and opinions below👇
It should exist, however the book it should be abolished in is The Order of the Phoenix, one of the core themes about this book is The Value of Unity and Friendship, imagine if Dumbledore after realising a Gryffindor Chosen-One and a Hufflepuff Winner thrawted Voldemort's plans, imagine if Cedric's demise had more plot relevance in that it motivates the abolishment of houses.
Imagine if instead of The Sorting Hat Song, we get a chapter called "No More Houses".
If you don't want to make classes overcrowded(which is dumb because during class, focus on a few essential characters and it's literally a boarding school with rules of the fantastic). Separate Hogwarts into Departments, have the main Trio and Neville become Aurors, literally not much changes.
It should exist, however the book it should be abolished in is The Order of the Phoenix, one of the core themes about this book is The Value of Unity and Friendship, imagine if Dumbledore after realising a Gryffindor Chosen-One and a Hufflepuff Winner thrawted Voldemort's plans, imagine if Cedric's demise had more plot relevance in that it motivates the abolishment of houses.
Imagine if instead of The Sorting Hat Song, we get a chapter called "No More Houses".
If you don't want to make classes overcrowded(which is dumb because during class, focus on a few essential characters and it's literally a boarding school with rules of the fantastic). Separate Hogwarts into Departments, have the main Trio and Neville become Aurors, literally not much changes.
The Sorting system is definitely flawed. I think they should have done it in the student's 3rd or 4th year instead of their 1st.
I agree with you about the houses, but just one thing I'd like to point out. Harry didn't tell the hat to put him in Gryffindor. He only said "Not Slytherin."
I think harry was smart about that one considering Slytherin is basically the hated house which is really unfair
Ilvermorny has a better sorting system. If a student matches a certain house or values another. They can choose the house they fit under.
I saw these comments
In my head canon, the sorting hat is very complex because takes into consideration how the student would benefit the house they are going to, because hard segregation of qualities is detrimental to a house environment. Like Hermione going to Gryffindor to help other students with academic work. It would also consider the student's "personality imbalances" that could be fixed over time by the house's philosophy. Like Neville eventually becoming brave because of Gryffindor's environment. Also, the head of each house has the power to adjust how the sorting hat makes its decisions. Like McGonagall has her own interpretation of what Cedric Gryffindor wanted for his house so she would adjust the hat's criteria, just like how a supreme judge has their own interpretation of the constitution.
All the bad guys being Slitherin's really a missed opportunity. Imagine having different villains from different houses and examining all the houses and their traits and how they may turn into something less than pleasant under the right circumstances.
The defining traits of the four houses are (Gryffindor) courage, (Ravenclaw) curiosity, (Hufflepuff) diligence/humility, and (Slytherin)ambition.
It would stand to say that a villain of each house would exemplify the qualities of that house taken to an unhealthy extreme.
A Gryffindor villain would be someone who has an extreme hero complex to a degree that they become delusional and dangerous.
A Ravenclaw villain would be an obsessed knowledge seeker, almost like a magical mad scientist who searches for knowledge heedless of ethical dilemmas.
A Hufflepuff villain might be someone who seeks to enforce homogeneity, suppressing other's free will in the process of trying to do so.
And Slytherin is the most easy to see: ambition can be healthy, but taken to extremes, you get the classic power-hungry, self-aggrandizing Slytherin villains.
The Evil Gryffindor could follow the Thanos template of a character who completely believes they are the self sacrificing hero. I actually think Hufflepuff would make for the most original and creepy type of villain - that insidious kind of fake friend who will put on a smile and you'll trust them... right up until you yourself have become their fall guy.
It would be cool if each house had one of our main characters.
Harry: Gryffindor
Ron: Hufflepuff
Hermione: Ravenclaw
Draco: Slytherin
Slytherin could have been about dueling club, studies on Nobility and manners, cunning politics, preserving family knowledge on tricky, but not necessarily evil or illegal magic, and loving snakes.
Precisely! I was thinking too about how you can take the traits of each house and apply them for good or evil. More Slytherins actively on the protagonist side would have been nice to see. You would want cunning, resourceful, clever, calculating, and ambitious people on your side in a conflict. And Hufflepuffs & Ravenclaws would sort of embody the concept of the banality of evil -- not thinking about it, just doing it because that is what the group is doing or it is your job. And a run-of-the-mill Gryffindor would be something like a fanatic/Crusader once they feel the new (evil) cause is the right one. Watching a Slytherin allied with the protagonists outsmart them would be a fantastic turn of the tables and we just didn't get it. Missed opportunity to show how you should be careful where you put your talents in a more nuanced way.
I think the three main characters where originally intended to be exemplars of Gryffindor Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw. With Malfoy as the Avatar of Slytherin. I think Rowling abandoned this for reasons of plot convenience. I think it's a shame because I think it could have worked really well. I think it would have made the other two houses feel more fleshed out and relevant. I also think it would have made all all three characters better developed and more interesting in many ways adding depth to their friendship and conflicts. But I totally get why she did it the way she did. It would have been harder to write the central friendships without the unifying gryffindor setting.
i hate the houses rivalries. It reminds me of Hunger Games class system in there sosiety and Divergent. It created more problems. Ilvermorny was better with the system.
The Sorting Hat is kind of omniscient, he can read deep down in you, in who you truly are so he can put you in the right house. That's why he rarely makes mistakes (with Pettigrew, for example). It is not flawed, it just knows us sometimes better than we know ourselves, like for Neville : he has always been brave, he just did not have enough faith in himself to see it when he was 11, but the Hat did.
La Goule en pyjama he didn’t make a mistake with Peter Pettigrew
@@moiissnoneofyourbusiness8957 Why ? Pettigrew is such a coward, not Gryffindor at all x)
La Goule en pyjama He valued a lot of Gryffindor traits when he was a child. He was also the only one to stay loyal to Voldemort while Slytherin Death Eaters always chose self-preservation (except for Bellatrix)
He was loyal because he was scared of Voldemort, not because he loves him or think he's right. He doesn't even agree with Voldemort's ideas, he just stay with him because he seems to be powerful and has a chance to rule the world. Peter only wanted to be safe, even though it implies to do such horrible things as he did, and that's not brave. This is self-preservation as well.
Even if it can read deep down inside you it is still only reading you as an 11 year old. The reading that the sorting hat makes may very well be correct at the time but even being able to read deep inside you doesn't mean it will be able to predict how your personality could change in the future.
So...what if students had a resorting every term?
That is so true! Too easily do we get caught up into fitting into something that is not all of who we are. Myself included. Such an easy trap to fall into, it takes knowing one's self through knowledge and experience,to truely know and feel into who you are.
We need to be brave to step out of our comfort zones so we can learn and try out new things. We need to be kind and just leaders so everyone can follow by example. If we're kind to one another regardless of race, gender, class, and religion, we build understanding with one another.
It may be flawed but it certainly is fun
I would choose all houses if I could
Now that you put it this way it sounds very serious.
The sorting hat doesn't just sort you into a house that you already fit into, it judges on what qualities you admire as well. Neville had the personality of a Hufflepuff but admired the bravery of Gryffindor, so he was placed where he might grow into the role he wanted to achieve.
I hate to say this but when you said we didn't see Molly's loyalty to her family your wrong the reason she fought Bellatrix as fiercely as she did was to protect her daughter I'd call that loyalty as well as bravery.
the house system is maybe a problem but the point system is complete useless, student are here to learn not to win the olympic game
New England=Slytherin.
The Mid-Atlantic+The South East=Gryffindor.
The Far-West=Ravenclaw.
The Midwest=Hufflepuff.
Now is there a big problem with this lineup here ?
Hmmmmmm I think there might be one after all ? !
I really hate the houses, especially since Slytherin is a breeding ground for wizard Nazis. Like, it's not hard to see, especially for adults like, idk, the headmaster or the founders, the ones who should be held responsible for allowing these ideals spread through Slytherin in the first place. (Jk Rowling, after all of the books were published, tried to make Slytherin look better, but since none of it is in the books, I can only assume she didn't think of it while writing.)
It's not just that of course, but it's clear how these houses effect everyone negatively. Of course there's also a problem with the wizarding schools themselves, or more the lack there of, considering all of Africa only has one, for example. There's also a huge problem with how werewolves are handled and the homophobic implications they bring with them.
I think a lot of the problems stem from how JK Rowling's own prejudice and ignorance, as well as this being her first book series. Though she only downgraded afterwards, as made obvious by her detective novels.
My opinion is that the world building, specifically the houses at Hogwarts and locations and quantity of other wizarding schools needed so much more work. Quidditch, while explainable through fan theories, is probably the worst part of the world building however, considering how unbalanced, unexciting and deadly it is.
ok sjw
@@otre3947 Bro how tf am I an sjw if I'm mostly complaining about the bad worldbuilding? I'm so fucking confused.
Poor Slytherin
Hufflepuffs have it the worst 😭
huh
Its magic...it knows....
Wow...total clickbait, this video. Who said each house has only one defining characteristic? Anyone who knows the material knows yes, there are intelligent Slytherins, Gryffindors, and Hufflepuffs. It's like this video is cherry picking bits and pieces of the movies to force a false argument. The sorting hat doesn't MAKE anyone do anything. And it certainly doesn't determine anyone's life path for God's sake. The whole concept of house selection is based on what you already are. What most people already know and say about you. Would Einstein be a Ravenclaw? Probably. Why? Because he thinks outside the box, and has a love of learning. He doesn't have to TRY to be Ravenclaw, he already is. Just like if you're a SLYTHERIN...and put out a clickbait video with a bunch of lies just to get likes...that's something you do naturally.
This was 💯 NOT clickbait. I was simply making the argument that the sorting hat sorts students before their personalities are fully developed and can't possibly determine who they will be in the future. I also never said each house only has one defining characteristic, I was illustrating the main ones to make my point. It's fine if you disagree but don't accuse someone of lying just because their opinion differs with yours.
You do realize that it's a magic school, right? Why do you think you know more about the material than the author does, and how the objects and characters work? The sorting hat never says WHO each child will be in the future...but it does say which house each child would best fit in based on their personality characteristics. It happens in schools all over the world every day. Parents make the same choices too...every day. The houses aren't even a big deal anyway, as they all take the same classes with the same teachers together. And again, it IS a magic school.
@@huberfloover can u stop justifying that the video is clickbait, it's clearly a video she worked hard on and you look at the thumbnail instead of the actual video and judge!
@@Potterverse I agree.
I put a dislike on this comment and u probably liked it yourself.
I believe in fairness but I'm not patient, I think wisdom is a great asset but I'm not into reading, I value resourcefulness while I find it hard to be like that myself. I admire the courageous while im not the risk taker unless there are little options left.
I still don't know which House I should choose.
This is the problem I always run into when trying to sort other fantasy characters because like often the values are conflicting and not in like an old. They have this but they're also this. They're like this house is about this and they have some values that are opposite of that but they don't really have been to any house. Also, what do you do with characters that are just objectively insane? They're not smart. They're crazy they're not l their wild cards. They're not ambitious. They're doing whatever they want in the mail. I guess they would go into Gryffindor which Gryffindor has a reputation to being the good guys, but most of the crazy people who are villains would wind up in Gryffindor because they simply don't fit into any other house. They're too much of a wild card in the now to be a Hufflepuff. The same thing for Slytherin who's main trait among other things is cunning and ambitious doesn't fit. They're not smart. They don't think so. No ravenclaw meaning that the only house left that they don't actively go against is Gryffindor the good guy house