Hell, maybe even as random loot on Legendary enemies because 3 years to just get 1 specific effect on all armor pieces is ridiculous. Imagine trying to get 3 perfect effects on each piece, that would probably take around 10 years of playing EVERY single day.
@@ArturoPladeado would take exponentially more. If you assume, that you need about 1 momth to get 1 specific effect on every armor piece and you need 3 years to get 2 specific effects i would say you may need about 74 years already to get all 3 effects on a full set. Just stupid. I also told the same about a specific weapon in the past. At least it is way easier now, since you can already "craft" the stats on the right weapon. But to get the perfect roll the chances are still low as fuck and are getting lower every time bethesda decides to bring new mods.
Honestly! I’ve turned in my 300 scrip and spent it on modules every day since the update and now I have over 1,000 cores and like 2 or 3 modules. I also got about 1,000 or so scrip from mole miner pails and the scoreboard. Plus we’ve had a scrip surplus. Still, way too many cores and no modules.
@@leonweskeradac8239 I literally have over 1,000 cores and no modules. They gotta start giving scrip for doing events or something. These cores are piling up fast.
Today I was able to get a full set of t-65 overeaters.......It is badass is all I can say. Even got 1 piece with AP refresh and 50 poison resist......LOVE IT
I was able to get a t65 set and a hellcat set in a couple months..I've been playing 8 months. It may take 3 years on that day of testing but obviously it can be done in much less time. Congrats 🎉
I actually got one piece of this on my commando character and it drove me crazy not being able to send it to my PA character. These untradable items made the game take a big step backwards and turned into an endless pointless grind. All because Bugthesda can't get the duping under control.
i have a ultracite set with the jet pack on the helmet /old glitch....now 4 over eaters and one bolstering with ep on the torso...it's tradable and moveable
Very interesting. The blank set seemed as good as the OE set to me. I do think that the way the perks work with each other changes and makes a difference to gameplay. An added extra for us to deal with.
Sentinel's PA pieces are bugged (the new ones, apparently the hacked ones aren't). I suspect based on my own tests, that when you fail to proc the 75% chance to resist 15% damage, you instead take full damage that goes through the 40% PA, and emergency protocols and only resists with your raw DR and no migitation. You can see it in your video, sometimes you take big chunks of damage, and this is not supposed to happen, because you can even test it against a lone enemy and he will sometimes do 10-15 points of ballistic damage with a single shot assault rifle even when without any sentinel pieces he can only do 0.5-1 at a time, and this has nothing to do with any sort of "migitation cap", it's just the sentinel pieces. Regular overeater PA will help you defend more against attacks. Easy way to test this yourself is to equip all migitation, fireproof, emergency protocols, dodgy, and overeater sentinel and then shoot the ground with an explosive weapon while you're not moving and then while moving, when you stop moving with all sentinel pieces you will take damage, and when you are moving, you won't take damage.
So ~3-4 years to get 10 out of 15 effects perfected. 5-10 years maybe to get all 15? That shows why they should have made each individual effect to be craftable, nobody is going to put in the effort to get all 15 effects because they will simply give up on it and accept random effects. If they can complete a set to absolute perfect then they will be inclined to start a new set with all new effects. Theres no incentive to get the first set done.
Agree with you on the individual stars to be rolled. Also remember it will be 20 effects to perfect when they introduce 4* legendary effects in the future and maybe 25 effects IF they ever introduce 5* legendary effects some where down the line! Meaning literally no realistic way to perfect your items and on the other hand more chance of rolling trash effects which at that point you may as well just roll 2* items which are probably more worth your resources and many 2* items can actually turn out to be very decent. In other words rolling anything above 2-3* will be redundant or more redundant then it is already if your actually looking to perfect your legendary items!
@@christopherdcrus605 I disagree with 2 star being just fine even if it is with any 1 star being trash. There needs to be a way to get the exact perfect armor and weapon you want. That's a target to keep you playing where you know you will obtain eventually and have 5 characters to do it on and many many alternate kits to build. Rolling each star independently allows for an unlimited number of stars to be added in the future and helps invest the players into the legendary crafting to the fullest. You get all 5 characters sorted to have the perfect armor and weapons... Hmm how about them Daily Ops Robot's that kick my butt? A whole new set of armor and weapons to be done for that purpose... On 5 characters. A complete kit for SBQ and only SBQ? Gimme gimme Gimme! Being able to complete a general kit always opens up room for specialized kits to obtain and specialized kits are open ended. Bethesda fails to make perfecting a character possible to invest the player into the system on the never ending journey of perfecting every possible setup.
@@JETWTF hey, yeah I totally agree with you in your concept regarding the ability to re roll individual stars. I have been very vocal in Bethesda forums and comment sections explaining several times in great detail ALLL the reasons why the legendary crafting system MUST be changed because as it is right now IMHO it is a trash system which is totally unrealistic and has really unreasonable time frames to get your desired gear and there is nothing wrong with having the ability to get ALL the items want and need for all your characters builds EVENTUALLY if you put in the game time to do it but it's should not takes years to an infinite amount of time. Many other games have fantastic systems which allow for this and the systems are very popular and well used! Why should Bethesda not do the same? I still think rolling anything with this system (no matter the star level) is a complete waste of time of my time but I was just saying that if you really wanted to get the most out of your resources/cores/modules ect then maybe 2* rolling is the way to go because a lot of 2* effects are actually decent and you have a better chance of of rolling a fantastic 2* item than a 3* item or a 4* item in the future when they arrive and rolling a decent 2* item can actually be accomplished in a realistic time frame if you really want to do this. Then again I'm thinking now that it's a bit sad that you have to be forced to only roll 2* items in order to have any realistic hope of eventually getting decent equipment that you want since this means your never fully getting the most out of the legendary system which is obviously 3* items. I have quit the game mainly due to lack of ambition from Bethesda and their inability to release significant STORY CONTENT at a frequent rate! They just spend most time fixing things they brake in updates they release and that's just a real waste and ridiculous. Them releasing this trash/gambling legendary crafting system the way it is was the final straw and I just gave up as have so many other players I know have for these reasons!
The amount of RNG you need to go for your way for desired weapon/armor rolls is ridiculous. After I got my first 3 star Overeater's Hellcat piece I realized the only way I'd reasonably get the full set is by only going for 1 star pieces. I did eventually get the full set, but it still took more than enough modules to reasonably spend to get even the desired first star.
I think because of the way resistance is calculated there’s diminished returns at the high end. That’s why there’s so little difference between the effects of different Power Armor. 😃
@@Laufrey it’s all worked out in an in game formula though. I’ve heard that the game doesn’t allow the total to eliminate more than 90% of incoming damage. It’s part of trying to keep players from effectively achieving god mode. I think 🤔 I heard that in an MATN video. 😃
@@nocturnechanson sort of like how New Vegas’ damage threshold could never 100% block all damage, even if your armor overmatched the weapon damage X100?
@@okonkwojones Yep 👍 that meant the BB Gun at one point of damage did full damage. You had to take a lot of shots to see it though. 🤣 I think damage resistance is more realistic though. 😃
It's probably 90%, same as weight reduction gear mods. It's still useful though, since you can offload some perk points to equipment to free up perks for something else (and you also dont need a full set to reach cap). I do wonder if someday Bethesda will look at 0.06 weight heavy guns and say "this is absurd" and make it so that armor weight reduction no longer stacks with perks :(
Hey turtle you are not limited to 300 per day if you do daily quests and operations you receive script from both of those you can get a stack of modules every day
When you have multiple reduction effects they are calculated multiplicatively. So for regular hellcat with dodgy and empath it’s .58*.7*.75. Which means 30% makes it through. which is then reduced by DR/ER which should be another significant reduction IE an enemy doing 100 will be reduced to 30 and about 25 of that will be taken care of by dr for an end damage of 5. Add in sentinel and over eaters and the reduction is 95% when sentinel procs and 79% when it does not. That is reduced to 1 or 4 meaning that over 4 hits original allows 20 damage and OS allows 7 that is vanilla blocks 95 and OS blocks 98.3. Noting that only the most powerful enemies deal 100 damage. So all that effort to stop 3.3 damage per hit against the strongest of foes, in most cases the difference will be much smaller.
The biggest obstacle to crafting these more efficiently is the cost of the Legendary Modules. I think if they awarded One Module for each daily or NON public World Event, more players would do them. I think that’s the ONLY way for the Modules to keep pace with the Cores. Unless they lower the requirements for Modules to craft that is.
Even with raised scrip limit, I find that unless I'm farming the events with most legendary rewards (e.g. Uranium Fever) I run out of Legendary Modules before I run out of Legendary Cores.
@@romxxii that’s why I suggested this. The Cores are outpacing the Modules and we need more ways to farm them for balance. As it stands, we have a daily cap of 10 Modules. Not nearly enough
It's simple. They just have to tie the crafting to cores and forget about the legendary modules for these things. Or just tie it to modules and forget about the cores. Same thing. Make events and daily ops and that sort of thing drop the core/module. Only one of these legendary "currencies" should be needed. I think you can server hop to get new modules from the purveyor. But even if you do, the daily limit on that is too low to come even close to the number of cores you can get. It's totally unbalanced. One crafting legendary requirement, please!
Turtle, question. Would it not be better to have individual armor pieces that reduce damage by 15% per mob type ( troubleshooters, ghoul slayer, etc) ?
How much stealth is enough stealth ? Is it fine just having Covert Operative set with Shadowed, One Muffle modes and focus on Overeaters, Sentinel and one Harder To Detect piece and go for Stealth perks ? Or you need Unelding/Chameleon/Weightless first legendary effects ? And which of those better ? How many pieces you need of those to have enough stealth ? Questions I don't have answers.
I've been using secret service which doesnt have shadowed, doesnt have "sneaky" and doesnt have the bonus stealth from covert and the only time i get detected is if i use a noisy weapon continuously (i can snipe with BPR and not be detected at mid range) so eh. I'd still like covert set though.
With 2 pieces of overeaters and the rest of sentinels + the perks and mutations mentioned you got the same result. Thank you for the investigation, now I can move on with another project power armor. 😎
So with the math you are likely running into a diminishing returns curve so it seems you can go with Overeaters or Dodgy just depends on where you want to get your Damage reduction.
"Damage reduction" specificially the overeater effect (completely different from the damage reduction in power armor), is a completely different effect from dodgy, as it affects ballistic damage only. Dodgy's effect, mitigates all incoming sources of damage (should be all kinds of damage types), so you can stack them synergistically, but they are seperate effects.
Emergency protocols affects all incoming damage, so it's an entirely seperate effect from "damage reduction", which affects only ballistic damage. Protocols is much better.
I just finished watching this video, you were killing the SS with shotguns, and mentioned something about adding grenadier perk cards. Can someone explain what one has to do with the other??
Just to point this out, you might of noticed but the juggernaut effect on guns are broke. It says dmg increases as health INCREASES. Yet it acts as a bloodied the more reduced you're health is the more dmg it does
Unyielding power armor would have broken the game, my guess. I would love it, but think about 42% damage reduction plus all of those stat improvements.. Everybody would be running around in the same thing. There has to be a way that it's hard to choose between things; that's why there are almost always tradeoffs. But one thing I still think is ridiculous is that carry weight in "power" armor isn't automatically a lot higher than in regular armor. I can't even get into power armor except excavator, because of carry weight. They should find a way to make that more logical. For now, I don't even consider power armor useful except in very limited circumstances.
@@jeffbarnesyout Hey there, hope you are well. Ok unyeilding PA IMO would not have been too OP because their are many downsides to using PA just 2 examples out of the many you can't use unarmed weapons and you have stealth penalties which wil limit your build choices. That being said if they feel unyeilding PA is too OP then balance the shit out of it! Take the many fantastic suggestions that I have seen on board and decrease the unyeilding effect from +3 to +1 or change the unyeilding effect totally when rolled on PA to something which offers great utility options like 200-300 lbs carry weight (just a quick example) but to just remove it and give up on it completely is a waste. You say that if things are too OP then everyone would be using the same things but isn't that the case already? It's called META which all games like this have and in 76 it's mainly bloody/unyeilding builds the only difference is that the META in 76 has been the same since more or less day one or at least since TSE got NERFED in the early days of 76. Tbh I don't see the big issue with everyone running around using the same things as eachother anyways, I'm 100% fine with that because it don't make a difference to my game play. If Bethesda really cared about people using the same things they would NERF/BUFF/BALANCE others effects to change the META and make all legendary effects balanced across the board so which ever you choose it's viable/unique and interesting to use but even with the recent legendary effect changes they have not fully achieved this and perhaps they never will. Have a nice day ☺
@@christopherdcrus605 Hi, hope you are well, too. I love it when players really are interested in how the game works and what matters. I think I still disagree because unyielding bloodied is still not as common a build as you say; when I join a public team usually half of them are full health builds. And nerfing unyielding in any way would make it a lot less viable, because then the high risk would make the rewards too low for many players. Maybe a new, weaker version of unyielding for power armor would be a good balance, considering power armor’s damage mitigation. But don’t take away the benefits of the existing one for non powered armor! :) And I still think something needs to be done about power armor having too little carry capacity. It is servo assisted armor!
Is the damage reduction cap only for percentage-based reduction? Perhaps raw Damage Resistance still matters after you hit the percentage-cap... could you compare this to OS T-65? Thanks, you're the best!
Dude if you have 50% damage reduction damage reduction gets calculated first so you’re you’re completely negating 50 of every hundred points of incoming damage powered armor inherently has 42% damage reduction against all incoming damaged types and 90% rate reduction so out of every 100 range you take only 10 of them will get tested by your resistances and only 58% of the incoming ballistic or energy damage will get tested against your resistances then when you add on things like overeaters or if you get a hellcat said that’s 12 more percent of Ballistic damage reduction it’s going to probably be calculated after the power dormers 42%
The bottom line is damage reduction is King and much past about 300 damage resistance damage residence doesn’t mean anything the diminishing returns start ramping up at like 300 or 350 resist or you can get enough resistance is off of regular armor to compete with the resistance and typical powered armor because you know even though it might say 450 or 500 recess it’s really not doing that much more it’s the inherent damage reduction that matters
@@billy_cross although what you're saying is true, what I am talking about is the specific situation in which the % based damage reduction has already reached its cap to where more of it is no longer applied by the game's calculations
@@ZZMazinger you’re talking about two different things damage resistance in damage reduction are not connected really when you have 100 points of damage coming in and you have 50% damage reduction 50 points of the damage don’t even hit you much like ricochet or any other damage reduction you simply negate that amount of the damage like it never happened then your resistance is our applied to the remainder and those have diminishing returns but I we are actually sure does anybody know for sure that there’s a damage reduction cap and if so what is that cap how much damage reduction can we get because from what I see theoretically you could for instance negate nearly all player base damage with assassins and powered armor actually you could negate it all because the armor itself inherently has 42% reduction to all incoming damage and then you could add assassins legendary effects to it and negate all incoming damage from players so I agree there Hass to be some kind of damage cap and I would hope for balance sakeThat those caps take an account the fact that powered armor has six pieces and already comes with 42% damage reduction built-in
@@billy_cross thank you for the thorough reply, but I already understood that they are two separate things. That is the very reason I am asking about it. Since they are separate, when one is already maxed out, then increasing the other should help. The only question is when and by how much
There is a damage cap no doubt. But it's weird the way it plays out. In assassin explosion resist sentinel you can tell a huge difference between that or just assassin or sentinel etc... Then when you hit emergency protocols that damage is cut in half.
For PvE all you need is a full set of sentinel and you should never die. And if you do then you probably just suck lol. Idk why people care so much about getting overeater’s or vanguard power armor. For PvP though you gotta have Assassin Sentinel. And full explosion resist on it is just stupid OP.
Great test. I just finished my TS/WWR Excavator power armor set and was starting my hellcat armor set. After this video I may hold off as it may not be worth it. Would like to see more testing or news from the data mine community on a potential damage cap. Very interesting results to say the least. FWIW, I went for troubleshooters on my lazy heavy gunner build because it seemed like the most useful for everyday use. However if there is a damage cap, would troubleshooters help much against sheepsquach vs hellcat?
I rolled a hellcat bolstering torso w/food, chem weight reduction. After that I just kept weight reduction pieces regardless of the prefix. I’d like to have a full set of bolstering or something else decent, but the grind is too much for me lol
This might be a stupid question, but would the overeater sentinel effect on a t-51b set trump a regular overeater T-65? Was wondering about whether to trade for one or keep trying to roll overeater on my T-65. thanks
Quick update: finally got overeater sentinel for T 65! Needless to say it is not worth the marginal benefit as it negates maybe 0.06 damage points per 100 damage hit over ultracite overeater sentinel
Thank you for this !. Maybe someday Bethesda will let us keep some stars and reroll others . Until then I think I'll just try for a hellcat with good effects but not OS on every piece . Still hellcat with electric absorption gotta be close to invincible.
I dont think there is a cap to damage mitigation, I think what we are seeing is diminishing returns. with Overeaters and everything else stacked you must have 99% damage mitigation, so anything will do about 1 damage. When you drop a few perks the mitigation must drop to 80-90% so most attacks will still do 1 or 2 damage. Mostly neglegible. But when you dropped the OS armor, mitigation was like 40% only, so there you could see a very big difference. At least thats my theory.
But are you really gonna be standing around that many enemies like I mean radiation rumble or the queen event most of the other players got your back with there gat plasmas.
Pretty sure what is going on here is a combination of several things. Over-Eater's only effects DR, not energy resistance or fire, so all those energy attacks from the robots and mutants with lasers were uneffected. As opposed to the Sentinel's effect, which is reduction for ALL damage, BUT it is also somewhat random, because each SET as a whole has a 75% chance to reduce damage by 15% per piece: "Player must be stationary and not crouched; Effect is broken during a stagger; jumping/jetpacking does NOT break the effect. Effects stack additively. 5 parts will reduce incoming damage by 60%, and the 75% chance will calculate one time regardless of the number of equipped parts."
Happy to say I got a full set of weapon 20% reduce weight power armor.... now onto the next step of having a 2nd piece to reroll to get better 1/2 star effects with the 20% reduction......
I would say Vanguard/Bolstering/Mutants or any other effects that increase DR on power armor are mostly useless. It will probably have a very minimal impact but because almost all power armor already has very high DR you’re looking at diminishing returns on that and all power armor already reduces incoming damage by 50% anyway. In the same way I don’t see much value in chasing after power armor with much higher base stats, like the T-65. Always better to go for % of damage reduction than DR and my T-60 set still performs very well. Never feel like I need anything much better.
Do you recommend skeet shooter for the gauss shotgun? I use it. I just tested bloodied versus two shot gauss shotgun versus level 100 super mutants and found the bloodied one only slightly better when I was around 25 % health. What’s your opinion, Turtle?
@@AngryTurtle Hi. I tested again and it was inconsistent, so I am not sure what to think. Definitely bloodied for me at about 20 percent health was one-shotting the super mutants. Above that health it was 2 shots, but the super mutant's health was at something like 10 percent. So it is very good for those enemies under those circumstances. If you get a chance, look at skeet shooter on two shot gauss shotgun and on another gauss shotgun. The accuracy on bloodied went from normal without the perk to very narrow with the perk, but the accuracy on two shot didn't show a lot of improvement. So I guess it's a percentage and even skeet shooter level 3 can't compensate much for the two shot accuracy problem? I'm sticking with bloodied, but a full health build could probably still find a lot of use for the two shot version. It's better than I remembered it from a year ago. Then again, now we have aristocrats, with an easy 50%?? buff and no penalty such as accuracy. Thanks for all your videos, Turtle. You really bring the science to the game!
I understand it's time consuming and tedious to get an armor set of this nature without trading but I think it's necessary. The majority of the well experienced player base already has more than one OP character. Almost forcing players to trade for items they want is good for game balance regardless of how bad it is right now. We need stronger enemies with even higher levels and to be able to trade SS, RECON, New Scout Armor and other gold bullion or daily ops weapons. At least with other players who've learned the plans anyway. Most players don't use these awesome weapons because you can't trade them and they're almost worthless once you wanna move on to a different weapon type. I've scraped a J SS STR Plasma Cutter, B FFR FR Crusader Pistol and other great weapons because I wouldn't wanna use either of them. I know I could've gotten something I'd really liked for either one but they went to waste.
Agreed. And it’s not like you can just send them to your alts for storage either, they disappear. The only way to free up space is actually scrapping them. What if I got a few nice plasma casters that I want to keep that are very heavy? I can’t do anything with the scraps, they’re immediately trashed can’t even sell the decent ones.
My main criticism of this video is that you didn’t take it in to fight Earle or the Queen.. or the O/S set against the imposter WITH electric absorption to show the difference with/without the set with and without Electric absorption. Did the O/S set have emergency protocols? You need to show the contrast between the worst setup you can possibly have and the best to have a comprehensive picture of its full effectiveness. Good video just hope to see a follow-up to show the base set perks vs. everything that can be done to increase survivability, especially for bloodied players.
But isnt all damage reduction always ballistic? so all the energy shots wouldnt make a difference. I think a bethesda staff member has said something like this on the reddit some time ago.
Me: Ah, so it's kinda overkill to have both Overeaters and Sentinel. Alright, I'll focus on WWR for my Excavator. FO76: Here's a Overeaters Sentinel Left Arm.
hate to break it to yea turtle, my glitched overeaters sentinel ultracite is superior, cuz it got jump pack bugged into its arm, so I got both emergency protocol and jump pack, being both virtually unkillable and with that superior mobility
I believe it works like this. Set Damage reduction is capped at 70-80%. I'm pretty sure it was on the wiki of fallout damage reduction. After the max damage reduction its based off your armor resistance that has heavy diminishing returns. I've tested this myself. Most I was able to reduce damage with 998 Balistic resistrance and 80% damage reduction was around 3 damage per super mutant bullet. Might be worth testing Vanguard, Sentinel brotherhood of steel armor with armor backpack/damage resistant perks. It should be theoretically the best résistance in game if you run it with dodgy, Empath from team, Suppressor while firing. Can even run Richoette for the flat 18% to not take damage. I've also tested and it seems like Lone-wandered damage resistance doesn't work... For whatever reason.
Thank you Bethesda for the PTS, it saved us 3 years! :)) . But like I previously thought, I would just focus on weapon weight reduction on PA, and any other bonus is fine as log as it is a positive one.
I’m pretty sure to get all 3 stars you want on a normal armor set will take nearly 27 years on average if you’re lucky. But sure the legendary crafting systems is fair and enjoyable...
Bethesda has made having power armor such an unpleasant chore that I won't even try for anything other than what ever legendary X-01 that drops from enemies. I have three sets, T61, Excavator legendary jumble and piecing together a jumble of X 01, and I have to say they are not a pleasure like they were in FO4. I can't have them out where I can see them. I can't collect them because there is no space in my hugely limited inventory. I have to save that space for the body armor that carries my day. I can't even tell what chassis is what unless I drag them all out because I can't name the Chassis. Trying to organize my PA pieces is a nightmare. The chassis won't stay out long enough for me to really work on my collection. If I hate Bethesda for anything, it would be how they ruined collecting in FO76. You can't collect cool weapons or armor. No room at all. The weapons are not worth collecting anyway. Everything does the same amount of damage when comparing like and kind. What difference does it make? I go for QUADS now because if everything is the same level, I will just throw more at the targets and get there with less reloading and dying.
I got a full overeaters Hellcat with reactive plates and 5x 100 damage chance to melee attackers, i dont even bother shooting ghouls or hounds when they come at me.
They need to reduce the cost of legendary modules. Only being able to get 6 modules a day if you get maxed out scrit is kind of ridiculous, especially with how diluted the legendary prefixes are. I get that they want people to grind daily but god dam. Having to grind as much as you have to now for decent legendary rolls is frustrating. They either need to drop the cost of legendary modules or allow people to get the set prefixes they want but for an extremely high cost. If you go down that rout you atleast have a confirmed goal that you know that you can reach.
It took me two and a half hours just to get herbivore mutations. I kept getting carnivore and guess which mutation is always last to remove carnivore. I dont trust 15 minute anymore lol.
Honestly, with all the (in my opinion) possibly rigged RNG and the inability to lock in legendary effects, I think it's best to just shoot for Overeaters, everything else is icing on the cake.
Watched this video days ago. A thought just crossed my mind tho. If you are hitting a damage Rez cap then shouldn't the try hard pvpers be trying 2 get a set of overeaters instead of assassin's? Would work just as good and would even take away some of the damage from there legacies. Just a thought and maybe it might make a good video. Thnx for your time. And u rock
I get that Bethesda intentionally makes the game grindy so you will be forced to log in every day (and see the magical new items in the atom shop, of course) but the legendary module limit of just 10 per day is having the opposite effect for me. A lot of grinding for very little payoff. I am just out of patience.
Well you can get an unlimited amount of Modules per day, just server hop to refresh Mumble's inventory. But you can only get enough scrip for 6 modules per day.....which definitely needs to be changed
I'm level 723 and been freely throwing sentinel armor and weapons away without second thought. I thought sentinel was a main effect like unyielding. Lol Edit: From here out everything must have sentinel effect.
3 years, even 3 months sounds bad, but 3 years farming 1 set is crazy, and its only 2 star. Imagine if you want perfect set with perfect 3 stars, then you might need not 3,but 30 years to achieve it.
nice video. well ofc there is a cap. the cap is 100% damage reduction but you can never reach it but only get closer and closer. It is like anti armor. %50+50% isnt equal to 100% it would be 75%. and anything on top of will work on the remaining percentage. %50 will ignore half the armor/damage, and the other 50% for example will work on the remaining 50%, which will the half of 50 be 25%. another 50% on top of that would only add 12.5%. Same diminishing returns. you said it takes 15 mins to craft desired legendaries? I assume its on custom world? :D I rather go with perks than try rolling Grolls :D that owuld never happen
Assuming reduction is likewise capped, and that the two are separate, emergency protocol alone caps reduction (inherent 46% PA + 50% emergency protocol) so strongest tank would be T-65 with bolstering/emergency protocol. Almost certain there is something hinky going on, because even with emergency protocol I'm almost certain that Blocker helps with melee damage. Suppose I'll have to do some tests of my own.
I suspect that Excavator with Emergency Protocols on a team with sent _or_ overeater's pieces will provide the same damage reduction as the hellcat with both.
Imagine taking three years to get to “I think I’m taking less damage”.
They HAVE to add modules to rewards for events AND Daylies.
Hell, maybe even as random loot on Legendary enemies because 3 years to just get 1 specific effect on all armor pieces is ridiculous. Imagine trying to get 3 perfect effects on each piece, that would probably take around 10 years of playing EVERY single day.
@@ArturoPladeado would take exponentially more. If you assume, that you need about 1 momth to get 1 specific effect on every armor piece and you need 3 years to get 2 specific effects i would say you may need about 74 years already to get all 3 effects on a full set.
Just stupid. I also told the same about a specific weapon in the past. At least it is way easier now, since you can already "craft" the stats on the right weapon. But to get the perfect roll the chances are still low as fuck and are getting lower every time bethesda decides to bring new mods.
Honestly! I’ve turned in my 300 scrip and spent it on modules every day since the update and now I have over 1,000 cores and like 2 or 3 modules. I also got about 1,000 or so scrip from mole miner pails and the scoreboard. Plus we’ve had a scrip surplus. Still, way too many cores and no modules.
Yes, l often have no mudules and like over 500 legendary cores
@@leonweskeradac8239 I literally have over 1,000 cores and no modules. They gotta start giving scrip for doing events or something. These cores are piling up fast.
Today I was able to get a full set of t-65 overeaters.......It is badass is all I can say. Even got 1 piece with AP refresh and 50 poison resist......LOVE IT
Congrats mate! 🥳 that's my desired setup as well, maybe just a piece with fire resist to. I'm no way near to achieve it tho 😂
Congrats! I got my OE excavator about a week after the patch (I grandfathered them in from 5 different characters) and it is naaails :)
I was able to get a t65 set and a hellcat set in a couple months..I've been playing 8 months. It may take 3 years on that day of testing but obviously it can be done in much less time. Congrats 🎉
I actually got one piece of this on my commando character and it drove me crazy not being able to send it to my PA character. These untradable items made the game take a big step backwards and turned into an endless pointless grind. All because Bugthesda can't get the duping under control.
i have a ultracite set with the jet pack on the helmet /old glitch....now 4 over eaters and one bolstering with ep on the torso...it's tradable and moveable
thank the dupers, sadly
15 minutes crafting. 3 years to enjoy it. A lifetime of memories😁
3 years to enjoy it?
@@bcav712 3 years of farming legendary modules at 300scrip per day
@@sanda386 or as i put it, hell
Very interesting. The blank set seemed as good as the OE set to me. I do think that the way the perks work with each other changes and makes a difference to gameplay. An added extra for us to deal with.
Sentinel's PA pieces are bugged (the new ones, apparently the hacked ones aren't). I suspect based on my own tests, that when you fail to proc the 75% chance to resist 15% damage, you instead take full damage that goes through the 40% PA, and emergency protocols and only resists with your raw DR and no migitation. You can see it in your video, sometimes you take big chunks of damage, and this is not supposed to happen, because you can even test it against a lone enemy and he will sometimes do 10-15 points of ballistic damage with a single shot assault rifle even when without any sentinel pieces he can only do 0.5-1 at a time, and this has nothing to do with any sort of "migitation cap", it's just the sentinel pieces. Regular overeater PA will help you defend more against attacks.
Easy way to test this yourself is to equip all migitation, fireproof, emergency protocols, dodgy, and overeater sentinel and then shoot the ground with an explosive weapon while you're not moving and then while moving, when you stop moving with all sentinel pieces you will take damage, and when you are moving, you won't take damage.
So ~3-4 years to get 10 out of 15 effects perfected. 5-10 years maybe to get all 15? That shows why they should have made each individual effect to be craftable, nobody is going to put in the effort to get all 15 effects because they will simply give up on it and accept random effects. If they can complete a set to absolute perfect then they will be inclined to start a new set with all new effects. Theres no incentive to get the first set done.
Agree with you on the individual stars to be rolled. Also remember it will be 20 effects to perfect when they introduce 4* legendary effects in the future and maybe 25 effects IF they ever introduce 5* legendary effects some where down the line! Meaning literally no realistic way to perfect your items and on the other hand more chance of rolling trash effects which at that point you may as well just roll 2* items which are probably more worth your resources and many 2* items can actually turn out to be very decent. In other words rolling anything above 2-3* will be redundant or more redundant then it is already if your actually looking to perfect your legendary items!
Ain’t no one in their right mind will play legit 5-10 years to get those stars-_-
@@christopherdcrus605 I disagree with 2 star being just fine even if it is with any 1 star being trash. There needs to be a way to get the exact perfect armor and weapon you want. That's a target to keep you playing where you know you will obtain eventually and have 5 characters to do it on and many many alternate kits to build.
Rolling each star independently allows for an unlimited number of stars to be added in the future and helps invest the players into the legendary crafting to the fullest. You get all 5 characters sorted to have the perfect armor and weapons... Hmm how about them Daily Ops Robot's that kick my butt? A whole new set of armor and weapons to be done for that purpose... On 5 characters. A complete kit for SBQ and only SBQ? Gimme gimme Gimme! Being able to complete a general kit always opens up room for specialized kits to obtain and specialized kits are open ended.
Bethesda fails to make perfecting a character possible to invest the player into the system on the never ending journey of perfecting every possible setup.
@@JETWTF hey, yeah I totally agree with you in your concept regarding the ability to re roll individual stars. I have been very vocal in Bethesda forums and comment sections explaining several times in great detail ALLL the reasons why the legendary crafting system MUST be changed because as it is right now IMHO it is a trash system which is totally unrealistic and has really unreasonable time frames to get your desired gear and there is nothing wrong with having the ability to get ALL the items want and need for all your characters builds EVENTUALLY if you put in the game time to do it but it's should not takes years to an infinite amount of time. Many other games have fantastic systems which allow for this and the systems are very popular and well used! Why should Bethesda not do the same?
I still think rolling anything with this system (no matter the star level) is a complete waste of time of my time but I was just saying that if you really wanted to get the most out of your resources/cores/modules ect then maybe 2* rolling is the way to go because a lot of 2* effects are actually decent and you have a better chance of of rolling a fantastic 2* item than a 3* item or a 4* item in the future when they arrive and rolling a decent 2* item can actually be accomplished in a realistic time frame if you really want to do this. Then again I'm thinking now that it's a bit sad that you have to be forced to only roll 2* items in order to have any realistic hope of eventually getting decent equipment that you want since this means your never fully getting the most out of the legendary system which is obviously 3* items.
I have quit the game mainly due to lack of ambition from Bethesda and their inability to release significant STORY CONTENT at a frequent rate! They just spend most time fixing things they brake in updates they release and that's just a real waste and ridiculous. Them releasing this trash/gambling legendary crafting system the way it is was the final straw and I just gave up as have so many other players I know have for these reasons!
The amount of RNG you need to go for your way for desired weapon/armor rolls is ridiculous. After I got my first 3 star Overeater's Hellcat piece I realized the only way I'd reasonably get the full set is by only going for 1 star pieces. I did eventually get the full set, but it still took more than enough modules to reasonably spend to get even the desired first star.
I am doing the exact same thing. It still taking quite awhile.
I just finished my 1* set of Overeater's - I think it cost me about 150 modules. I'm not sure whether to bother going for 3* pieces
I think because of the way resistance is calculated there’s diminished returns at the high end. That’s why there’s so little difference between the effects of different Power Armor. 😃
that's on DR/ER, % dmg reduction is different tho
@@Laufrey it’s all worked out in an in game formula though. I’ve heard that the game doesn’t allow the total to eliminate more than 90% of incoming damage. It’s part of trying to keep players from effectively achieving god mode. I think 🤔 I heard that in an MATN video. 😃
@@nocturnechanson sort of like how New Vegas’ damage threshold could never 100% block all damage, even if your armor overmatched the weapon damage X100?
Man, damage threshold was a much better system, and I wish more rpgs used it.
@@okonkwojones Yep 👍 that meant the BB Gun at one point of damage did full damage. You had to take a lot of shots to see it though. 🤣 I think damage resistance is more realistic though. 😃
It's probably 90%, same as weight reduction gear mods. It's still useful though, since you can offload some perk points to equipment to free up perks for something else (and you also dont need a full set to reach cap).
I do wonder if someday Bethesda will look at 0.06 weight heavy guns and say "this is absurd" and make it so that armor weight reduction no longer stacks with perks :(
Hey turtle you are not limited to 300 per day if you do daily quests and operations you receive script from both of those you can get a stack of modules every day
When you have multiple reduction effects they are calculated multiplicatively. So for regular hellcat with dodgy and empath it’s .58*.7*.75. Which means 30% makes it through. which is then reduced by DR/ER which should be another significant reduction IE an enemy doing 100 will be reduced to 30 and about 25 of that will be taken care of by dr for an end damage of 5. Add in sentinel and over eaters and the reduction is 95% when sentinel procs and 79% when it does not. That is reduced to 1 or 4 meaning that over 4 hits original allows 20 damage and OS allows 7 that is vanilla blocks 95 and OS blocks 98.3. Noting that only the most powerful enemies deal 100 damage. So all that effort to stop 3.3 damage per hit against the strongest of foes, in most cases the difference will be much smaller.
The biggest obstacle to crafting these more efficiently is the cost of the Legendary Modules. I think if they awarded One Module for each daily or NON public World Event, more players would do them.
I think that’s the ONLY way for the Modules to keep pace with the Cores. Unless they lower the requirements for Modules to craft that is.
I read a lot of ideas from people I don't like. Not the people... I'm sure they're fine. The ideas though. This one however... This... I like this.
@@dhotnessmcawesome9747 thanks you
Even with raised scrip limit, I find that unless I'm farming the events with most legendary rewards (e.g. Uranium Fever) I run out of Legendary Modules before I run out of Legendary Cores.
@@romxxii that’s why I suggested this. The Cores are outpacing the Modules and we need more ways to farm them for balance. As it stands, we have a daily cap of 10 Modules. Not nearly enough
It's simple. They just have to tie the crafting to cores and forget about the legendary modules for these things. Or just tie it to modules and forget about the cores. Same thing. Make events and daily ops and that sort of thing drop the core/module. Only one of these legendary "currencies" should be needed.
I think you can server hop to get new modules from the purveyor. But even if you do, the daily limit on that is too low to come even close to the number of cores you can get. It's totally unbalanced. One crafting legendary requirement, please!
Turtle, question. Would it not be better to have individual armor pieces that reduce damage by 15% per mob type ( troubleshooters, ghoul slayer, etc) ?
How much stealth is enough stealth ? Is it fine just having Covert Operative set with Shadowed, One Muffle modes and focus on Overeaters, Sentinel and one Harder To Detect piece and go for Stealth perks ? Or you need Unelding/Chameleon/Weightless first legendary effects ? And which of those better ? How many pieces you need of those to have enough stealth ? Questions I don't have answers.
I've been using secret service which doesnt have shadowed, doesnt have "sneaky" and doesnt have the bonus stealth from covert and the only time i get detected is if i use a noisy weapon continuously (i can snipe with BPR and not be detected at mid range) so eh. I'd still like covert set though.
@@asmosisyup2557 does Queen detects you ?
With 2 pieces of overeaters and the rest of sentinels + the perks and mutations mentioned you got the same result. Thank you for the investigation, now I can move on with another project power armor. 😎
Only 32 comments... Oh... I'm going to need to do something about that...
So with the math you are likely running into a diminishing returns curve so it seems you can go with Overeaters or Dodgy just depends on where you want to get your Damage reduction.
"Damage reduction" specificially the overeater effect (completely different from the damage reduction in power armor), is a completely different effect from dodgy, as it affects ballistic damage only. Dodgy's effect, mitigates all incoming sources of damage (should be all kinds of damage types), so you can stack them synergistically, but they are seperate effects.
What about with emergency protocols 50 percent damage reduction?
Emergency protocols affects all incoming damage, so it's an entirely seperate effect from "damage reduction", which affects only ballistic damage. Protocols is much better.
I just finished watching this video, you were killing the SS with shotguns, and mentioned something about adding grenadier perk cards. Can someone explain what one has to do with the other??
Grenedir will soon apply to exploding legendary effect. Atm it's only grenades and launchers etc
@@zJFGz ok
Just to point this out, you might of noticed but the juggernaut effect on guns are broke. It says dmg increases as health INCREASES. Yet it acts as a bloodied the more reduced you're health is the more dmg it does
That's because of your mutations. The effect does increase damage as health increases like it says, but adrenal reaction loses damage faster.
Funny how Bethesda removed Unyielding from being rolled/dropped, because they probably thought/assumed it was too OP, and yet.. We have this. xD
good luck getting this
Unyielding power armor would have broken the game, my guess. I would love it, but think about 42% damage reduction plus all of those stat improvements.. Everybody would be running around in the same thing. There has to be a way that it's hard to choose between things; that's why there are almost always tradeoffs. But one thing I still think is ridiculous is that carry weight in "power" armor isn't automatically a lot higher than in regular armor. I can't even get into power armor except excavator, because of carry weight. They should find a way to make that more logical. For now, I don't even consider power armor useful except in very limited circumstances.
@@jeffbarnesyout you can buy mods for a few thousand caps to increase the carry weight but still I agree with what you say
@@jeffbarnesyout Hey there, hope you are well. Ok unyeilding PA IMO would not have been too OP because their are many downsides to using PA just 2 examples out of the many you can't use unarmed weapons and you have stealth penalties which wil limit your build choices. That being said if they feel unyeilding PA is too OP then balance the shit out of it! Take the many fantastic suggestions that I have seen on board and decrease the unyeilding effect from +3 to +1 or change the unyeilding effect totally when rolled on PA to something which offers great utility options like 200-300 lbs carry weight (just a quick example) but to just remove it and give up on it completely is a waste. You say that if things are too OP then everyone would be using the same things but isn't that the case already? It's called META which all games like this have and in 76 it's mainly bloody/unyeilding builds the only difference is that the META in 76 has been the same since more or less day one or at least since TSE got NERFED in the early days of 76. Tbh I don't see the big issue with everyone running around using the same things as eachother anyways, I'm 100% fine with that because it don't make a difference to my game play. If Bethesda really cared about people using the same things they would NERF/BUFF/BALANCE others effects to change the META and make all legendary effects balanced across the board so which ever you choose it's viable/unique and interesting to use but even with the recent legendary effect changes they have not fully achieved this and perhaps they never will. Have a nice day ☺
@@christopherdcrus605 Hi, hope you are well, too. I love it when players really are interested in how the game works and what matters. I think I still disagree because unyielding bloodied is still not as common a build as you say; when I join a public team usually half of them are full health builds. And nerfing unyielding in any way would make it a lot less viable, because then the high risk would make the rewards too low for many players. Maybe a new, weaker version of unyielding for power armor would be a good balance, considering power armor’s damage mitigation. But don’t take away the benefits of the existing one for non powered armor! :) And I still think something needs to be done about power armor having too little carry capacity. It is servo assisted armor!
Is the damage reduction cap only for percentage-based reduction? Perhaps raw Damage Resistance still matters after you hit the percentage-cap... could you compare this to OS T-65? Thanks, you're the best!
Dude if you have 50% damage reduction damage reduction gets calculated first so you’re you’re completely negating 50 of every hundred points of incoming damage powered armor inherently has 42% damage reduction against all incoming damaged types and 90% rate reduction so out of every 100 range you take only 10 of them will get tested by your resistances and only 58% of the incoming ballistic or energy damage will get tested against your resistances then when you add on things like overeaters or if you get a hellcat said that’s 12 more percent of Ballistic damage reduction it’s going to probably be calculated after the power dormers 42%
The bottom line is damage reduction is King and much past about 300 damage resistance damage residence doesn’t mean anything the diminishing returns start ramping up at like 300 or 350 resist or you can get enough resistance is off of regular armor to compete with the resistance and typical powered armor because you know even though it might say 450 or 500 recess it’s really not doing that much more it’s the inherent damage reduction that matters
@@billy_cross although what you're saying is true, what I am talking about is the specific situation in which the % based damage reduction has already reached its cap to where more of it is no longer applied by the game's calculations
@@ZZMazinger you’re talking about two different things damage resistance in damage reduction are not connected really when you have 100 points of damage coming in and you have 50% damage reduction 50 points of the damage don’t even hit you much like ricochet or any other damage reduction you simply negate that amount of the damage like it never happened then your resistance is our applied to the remainder and those have diminishing returns but I we are actually sure does anybody know for sure that there’s a damage reduction cap and if so what is that cap how much damage reduction can we get because from what I see theoretically you could for instance negate nearly all player base damage with assassins and powered armor actually you could negate it all because the armor itself inherently has 42% reduction to all incoming damage and then you could add assassins legendary effects to it and negate all incoming damage from players so I agree there Hass to be some kind of damage cap and I would hope for balance sakeThat those caps take an account the fact that powered armor has six pieces and already comes with 42% damage reduction built-in
@@billy_cross thank you for the thorough reply, but I already understood that they are two separate things. That is the very reason I am asking about it. Since they are separate, when one is already maxed out, then increasing the other should help. The only question is when and by how much
I've got one piece of overeaters sentinal. Only 3 years to go until I've got a full set
There is a damage cap no doubt. But it's weird the way it plays out. In assassin explosion resist sentinel you can tell a huge difference between that or just assassin or sentinel etc... Then when you hit emergency protocols that damage is cut in half.
For PvE all you need is a full set of sentinel and you should never die. And if you do then you probably just suck lol. Idk why people care so much about getting overeater’s or vanguard power armor. For PvP though you gotta have Assassin Sentinel. And full explosion resist on it is just stupid OP.
Great test. I just finished my TS/WWR Excavator power armor set and was starting my hellcat armor set. After this video I may hold off as it may not be worth it. Would like to see more testing or news from the data mine community on a potential damage cap. Very interesting results to say the least.
FWIW, I went for troubleshooters on my lazy heavy gunner build because it seemed like the most useful for everyday use. However if there is a damage cap, would troubleshooters help much against sheepsquach vs hellcat?
I rolled a hellcat bolstering torso w/food, chem weight reduction. After that I just kept weight reduction pieces regardless of the prefix. I’d like to have a full set of bolstering or something else decent, but the grind is too much for me lol
For PA I'm only focusing on weight reduction perks, and poison/fire resistances. Much more useful
This might be a stupid question, but would the overeater sentinel effect on a t-51b set trump a regular overeater T-65? Was wondering about whether to trade for one or keep trying to roll overeater on my T-65. thanks
yes it will
Quick update: finally got overeater sentinel for T 65! Needless to say it is not worth the marginal benefit as it negates maybe 0.06 damage points per 100 damage hit over ultracite overeater sentinel
Thank you for this !. Maybe someday Bethesda will let us keep some stars and reroll others . Until then I think I'll just try for a hellcat with good effects but not OS on every piece .
Still hellcat with electric absorption gotta be close to invincible.
Angry Turtle what is best legendary affect for power Armor
i have the video discussion this topic
@@AngryTurtle name of video
@@1000mjf The Best LEGENDARY EFFECTS For POWER ARMOR - Fallout 76 Steel Reign
@@1000mjf I wanted to copy the link accidentally copied the title 😂
I dont think there is a cap to damage mitigation, I think what we are seeing is diminishing returns.
with Overeaters and everything else stacked you must have 99% damage mitigation, so anything will do about 1 damage. When you drop a few perks the mitigation must drop to 80-90% so most attacks will still do 1 or 2 damage. Mostly neglegible. But when you dropped the OS armor, mitigation was like 40% only, so there you could see a very big difference.
At least thats my theory.
Why not use the Supermutant Behemoth? He should hit hard and it should be easy to track.
But are you really gonna be standing around that many enemies like I mean radiation rumble or the queen event most of the other players got your back with there gat plasmas.
Pretty sure what is going on here is a combination of several things. Over-Eater's only effects DR, not energy resistance or fire, so all those energy attacks from the robots and mutants with lasers were uneffected. As opposed to the Sentinel's effect, which is reduction for ALL damage, BUT it is also somewhat random, because each SET as a whole has a 75% chance to reduce damage by 15% per piece: "Player must be stationary and not crouched; Effect is broken during a stagger; jumping/jetpacking does NOT break the effect.
Effects stack additively. 5 parts will reduce incoming damage by 60%, and the 75% chance will calculate one time regardless of the number of equipped parts."
So the OS hellcat without defensive perks work as good versus with defensive perks? More offensive perks then! :)
Happy to say I got a full set of weapon 20% reduce weight power armor.... now onto the next step of having a 2nd piece to reroll to get better 1/2 star effects with the 20% reduction......
Is vanguard worth it on power armor if you're running a full health build
I would say Vanguard/Bolstering/Mutants or any other effects that increase DR on power armor are mostly useless. It will probably have a very minimal impact but because almost all power armor already has very high DR you’re looking at diminishing returns on that and all power armor already reduces incoming damage by 50% anyway. In the same way I don’t see much value in chasing after power armor with much higher base stats, like the T-65. Always better to go for % of damage reduction than DR and my T-60 set still performs very well. Never feel like I need anything much better.
Yaaay food build info!!!!
FOOD BUILD IS THE BEST BUILD !!!!
Do you recommend skeet shooter for the gauss shotgun? I use it. I just tested bloodied versus two shot gauss shotgun versus level 100 super mutants and found the bloodied one only slightly better when I was around 25 % health. What’s your opinion, Turtle?
skeet shooter is really good
@@AngryTurtle Hi. I tested again and it was inconsistent, so I am not sure what to think. Definitely bloodied for me at about 20 percent health was one-shotting the super mutants. Above that health it was 2 shots, but the super mutant's health was at something like 10 percent. So it is very good for those enemies under those circumstances. If you get a chance, look at skeet shooter on two shot gauss shotgun and on another gauss shotgun. The accuracy on bloodied went from normal without the perk to very narrow with the perk, but the accuracy on two shot didn't show a lot of improvement. So I guess it's a percentage and even skeet shooter level 3 can't compensate much for the two shot accuracy problem? I'm sticking with bloodied, but a full health build could probably still find a lot of use for the two shot version. It's better than I remembered it from a year ago. Then again, now we have aristocrats, with an easy 50%?? buff and no penalty such as accuracy.
Thanks for all your videos, Turtle. You really bring the science to the game!
I understand it's time consuming and tedious to get an armor set of this nature without trading but I think it's necessary. The majority of the well experienced player base already has more than one OP character. Almost forcing players to trade for items they want is good for game balance regardless of how bad it is right now. We need stronger enemies with even higher levels and to be able to trade SS, RECON, New Scout Armor and other gold bullion or daily ops weapons. At least with other players who've learned the plans anyway. Most players don't use these awesome weapons because you can't trade them and they're almost worthless once you wanna move on to a different weapon type. I've scraped a J SS STR Plasma Cutter, B FFR FR Crusader Pistol and other great weapons because I wouldn't wanna use either of them. I know I could've gotten something I'd really liked for either one but they went to waste.
Agreed. And it’s not like you can just send them to your alts for storage either, they disappear. The only way to free up space is actually scrapping them. What if I got a few nice plasma casters that I want to keep that are very heavy? I can’t do anything with the scraps, they’re immediately trashed can’t even sell the decent ones.
Mine keeps getting stuck between like 3 different ones
Im surprised I was expecting you to say it took hours to roll that armor.
Got myself a full set of Overeaters T45 because that armor drops so much!
My RNG is appalling. I have grown to love the randomness of my armor and how pretty pointless it is. Great video again mate.
My main criticism of this video is that you didn’t take it in to fight Earle or the Queen.. or the O/S set against the imposter WITH electric absorption to show the difference with/without the set with and without Electric absorption. Did the O/S set have emergency protocols?
You need to show the contrast between the worst setup you can possibly have and the best to have a comprehensive picture of its full effectiveness.
Good video just hope to see a follow-up to show the base set perks vs. everything that can be done to increase survivability, especially for bloodied players.
My Westek farming Hellcat set has 3 Mutant Slayers and 1 Overeaters. I take very little damage and I don't have Empath or Dodgy at the moment.
You take little to no damage, if you can one-shot them anyhow.
But isnt all damage reduction always ballistic? so all the energy shots wouldnt make a difference. I think a bethesda staff member has said something like this on the reddit some time ago.
Thats why i never use 'Protocols', cause its doesnt make big differnce with resist perks
Me: Ah, so it's kinda overkill to have both Overeaters and Sentinel. Alright, I'll focus on WWR for my Excavator.
FO76: Here's a Overeaters Sentinel Left Arm.
I really only use power armor for radiation resistance to collect nukes plants. Using X01, I think Raiders is best radiation resistance tho.
Use stealth armor to collect nuked flora.
Hey Turtle, but overeater reduce both balistic and energy damage?
yes
well, i'm always running so sentinel doesn't work for me.
So i'll still look for Overeaters, but just the first star is important.
Fill in the blank with cavalier then....
@@heinzerbrew that would be really helpfull in daily ops, i'll give it a try
@@cristianhurtadocabezas208 Yes, it should be good for the decryption. sentinel for uplink unless you are melee.
I'm loving that these kinds of tests are possible without spending 3y just to be disappointed.
hate to break it to yea turtle, my glitched overeaters sentinel ultracite is superior, cuz it got jump pack bugged into its arm, so I got both emergency protocol and jump pack, being both virtually unkillable and with that superior mobility
Turtle it is the sentinel that is making the difference it would be the same outcome in any pa with sentinal
I believe it works like this.
Set Damage reduction is capped at 70-80%. I'm pretty sure it was on the wiki of fallout damage reduction.
After the max damage reduction its based off your armor resistance that has heavy diminishing returns. I've tested this myself. Most I was able to reduce damage with 998 Balistic resistrance and 80% damage reduction was around 3 damage per super mutant bullet.
Might be worth testing Vanguard, Sentinel brotherhood of steel armor with armor backpack/damage resistant perks. It should be theoretically the best résistance in game if you run it with dodgy, Empath from team, Suppressor while firing. Can even run Richoette for the flat 18% to not take damage.
I've also tested and it seems like Lone-wandered damage resistance doesn't work... For whatever reason.
Isn’t scrap double until 10th I believe
Is there any paints for it too
universal paints
Thank you Bethesda for the PTS, it saved us 3 years! :)) . But like I previously thought, I would just focus on weapon weight reduction on PA, and any other bonus is fine as log as it is a positive one.
This is where I'm at right now: rolling for either sent or weight reduction (preferably FDC as I burn 6 perk slots for it in PA).
i spent 9 months, 9 grueling, sweat covered, grime covered, filthy months. i have gotten a full set of over eaters/ wwr hellcat armour
To me, APr and WW are the best effects, everything else doesn't matter much but can be nice to have.
Thanks for this man, great information and answers some important questions
Half of my hellcat power armor is overeaters and the other half is aristocrats
I’m pretty sure to get all 3 stars you want on a normal armor set will take nearly 27 years on average if you’re lucky. But sure the legendary crafting systems is fair and enjoyable...
Not good to level up but is a nice video. I really love power armor. Sad that they made it unatractive.
What is sential?
I think the damage reduction cap is 80% because that has been the cap for other BGS games.
Where can you find the sentinel power armer?
you need to get lucky with legendary rolls
@@AngryTurtle thank you so much for the reply, the info helped me a lot!! I watch you on the daily and I think you are awesome!! 😊
Can you get overeater and sentinel on the same piece?
yes
Support 3
There. Now there's more.
thanks ;)
Bethesda has made having power armor such an unpleasant chore that I won't even try for anything other than what ever legendary X-01 that drops from enemies. I have three sets, T61, Excavator legendary jumble and piecing together a jumble of X 01, and I have to say they are not a pleasure like they were in FO4. I can't have them out where I can see them. I can't collect them because there is no space in my hugely limited inventory. I have to save that space for the body armor that carries my day. I can't even tell what chassis is what unless I drag them all out because I can't name the Chassis.
Trying to organize my PA pieces is a nightmare. The chassis won't stay out long enough for me to really work on my collection. If I hate Bethesda for anything, it would be how they ruined collecting in FO76. You can't collect cool weapons or armor. No room at all.
The weapons are not worth collecting anyway. Everything does the same amount of damage when comparing like and kind. What difference does it make? I go for QUADS now because if everything is the same level, I will just throw more at the targets and get there with less reloading and dying.
You can name your chassis. You can see that turtle had his named in this video.
by the time i get this set of armor i will be begging bethesda to carry my inventory over to the next game lmao
I got a full overeaters Hellcat with reactive plates and 5x 100 damage chance to melee attackers, i dont even bother shooting ghouls or hounds when they come at me.
the health does have a cap to it to
They need to reduce the cost of legendary modules. Only being able to get 6 modules a day if you get maxed out scrit is kind of ridiculous, especially with how diluted the legendary prefixes are. I get that they want people to grind daily but god dam. Having to grind as much as you have to now for decent legendary rolls is frustrating. They either need to drop the cost of legendary modules or allow people to get the set prefixes they want but for an extremely high cost. If you go down that rout you atleast have a confirmed goal that you know that you can reach.
Been rolling my t65 for 4 months still have one peice left to roll into over eaters
It took me two and a half hours just to get herbivore mutations. I kept getting carnivore and guess which mutation is always last to remove carnivore. I dont trust 15 minute anymore lol.
Honestly, with all the (in my opinion) possibly rigged RNG and the inability to lock in legendary effects, I think it's best to just shoot for Overeaters, everything else is icing on the cake.
Did you say three years?
Watched this video days ago. A thought just crossed my mind tho. If you are hitting a damage Rez cap then shouldn't the try hard pvpers be trying 2 get a set of overeaters instead of assassin's? Would work just as good and would even take away some of the damage from there legacies. Just a thought and maybe it might make a good video. Thnx for your time. And u rock
Maybe its like in skyrim. 80% dmg reduction from armor cap.
I get that Bethesda intentionally makes the game grindy so you will be forced to log in every day (and see the magical new items in the atom shop, of course) but the legendary module limit of just 10 per day is having the opposite effect for me. A lot of grinding for very little payoff. I am just out of patience.
Well you can get an unlimited amount of Modules per day, just server hop to refresh Mumble's inventory. But you can only get enough scrip for 6 modules per day.....which definitely needs to be changed
I'm level 723 and been freely throwing sentinel armor and weapons away without second thought. I thought sentinel was a main effect like unyielding. Lol
Edit:
From here out everything must have sentinel effect.
I would love to get full Over/WWR set, sentinel seems worthless with all of that dmg reduction
3 years, even 3 months sounds bad, but 3 years farming 1 set is crazy, and its only 2 star. Imagine if you want perfect set with perfect 3 stars, then you might need not 3,but 30 years to achieve it.
And somehow unyielding was too op
nice video. well ofc there is a cap. the cap is 100% damage reduction but you can never reach it but only get closer and closer. It is like anti armor. %50+50% isnt equal to 100% it would be 75%. and anything on top of will work on the remaining percentage. %50 will ignore half the armor/damage, and the other 50% for example will work on the remaining 50%, which will the half of 50 be 25%. another 50% on top of that would only add 12.5%. Same diminishing returns. you said it takes 15 mins to craft desired legendaries? I assume its on custom world? :D I rather go with perks than try rolling Grolls :D that owuld never happen
Thanks for doing this bro!
You get to do it all over again in a few months. 4 star legendary will come out.
I finally got a full set of Assassins Sentinel Ultracite after 3 months lol. Was it worth the grind? Hell yeah 😀
I was given a set with full ap refresh, overeaters, sentinels, it is not that strong...
Cavalier sentinel would be cool
the only thing I'm responsible for right now is sitting at home
I don't have time for this shit
DMG resistance is capped at 85%
Assuming reduction is likewise capped, and that the two are separate, emergency protocol alone caps reduction (inherent 46% PA + 50% emergency protocol) so strongest tank would be T-65 with bolstering/emergency protocol. Almost certain there is something hinky going on, because even with emergency protocol I'm almost certain that Blocker helps with melee damage. Suppose I'll have to do some tests of my own.
How do you know this?
@@dubsfrosty1839 this game systems are pretty much carbon copy of fallout 4
(fallout 4 resistance was capped at 85 %)
You did it with the wrong armor! No Excavator??! 😄
I suspect that Excavator with Emergency Protocols on a team with sent _or_ overeater's pieces will provide the same damage reduction as the hellcat with both.
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I just went to sleep and woke in because I only wanted to watch angry turtle
I have a full set of t-45 over eaters and I feel lucky...
I can hear them laughing at us