The BIG Difference Between Expert Watch Collectors vs. Amateur
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- Are Rolex owners real collectors?
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There’s a dude on RUclips who collected just about every modern Rolex available. He purchased them from his ADs (plural). When he was done, his collection looked like the AD museum showcase sans the not for sale signs. And it was sad, because the guy was like “IDK what’s next. Patek maybe?” And the collection was, to me, boring. And it felt like the collector was bored. That sucks, considering the $$$ and all the fun things he could have done with the money. To answer the question presented: he is undeniably a watch collector. But he has followed a path that I am not inclined to take…and I like Rolex!
I posit this thought as a non Rolex owner. If you are keeping a group of things for the sake of having those things that is a true collection. If simply having those things means, you will dump them when the ROI is there, that’s not really a collection, because the intent never was to keep them. Transfer that to watches. I think if you were going to have Rolexes, for the sake of having Rolexes, and wear them and enjoy them, and occasionally sell one off and add another one, that is a true collector. If someone is buying a watch whether they wear it and enjoy it or not with the intent of selling it for money afterward, that’s an investor, not a collector.
In 2006 I bought a new datejust and continued to buy and keep watches which often cost more. I have shifted to collecting watches that require more time and thought about once a year that cost less than $1000 new, and are absolutely brilliant. It’s more challenging in some ways, but more enjoyable and much more affordable.
Brilliant fair video. Glad you lanced this boil! For me, the Rolex people talk as much about money, as of the Rolex. They never talk about the watch, but they talk about how much they paid, how much it's worth now, and how much they think it will be worth. And the killer point, they can sell because they think it's reached it's high point on their valuation chart. There is no emotion about selling. It "kerching" time. And what is the point in that? It's just greed. So to sum up, they are collectors, but collectors of money.
this is exactly like BMW drivers, many of them are enthusiasts, it's just the other 99% who are douchebags
Good analogy
They are collectors, absolutely. They are, however, not watch enthusiasts.
Not sure I agree, but there is a compelling semantic argument to be made here!
@@mitchmitchell9588 they could be Rolex enthusiasts, however. My opinion is, it would be willfully unagreeable to make an argument that Rolex is the best or most innovative or even more interesting than any other watch brand ever. There's an argument to be made on any level that in any enthusiasts' measure, Rolex would not be the best.
@@chaosnyli Let me clarify. It would be semantic to argue Rolex collectors are not watch enthusiasts because it would require a subjective interpretation of the meaning of the word "enthusiast".The Latin root of enthusiasm is enthousiasmos, Greek for "inspired or possessed by God". One could argue that, based on anecdotal evidence, Rolex collectors appear more motivated by money or status than a divinely-inspired love for horology. That's one argument. But whatever the argument in support of the conclusion that Rolex collectors are not watch enthusiasts, there is a definitional element to the argument that makes it semantic and therefore purely a matter of subjective opinion.
@@mitchmitchell9588 I don't disagree with you. 😂. I just think there's such a huge divide in the population.
I came to say something similar. I consider myself an enthusiast and to me that means being deeply interested in horology. I don't see how someone could be deeply interested in horology and collect only watches from a brand that seems to actively avoid high complications and, until recently, didn't even let us easily see the movement through the caseback. They still take very little interest in finishing the movement to make it aesthetically beautiful as well as functional, and that's a key interest of the horological enthusiast. Functional achievements have their place, but you elevate your craft to art form when you also concern yourself with the aesthetic beauty of your creations. Rolex does have some beautiful dials and does gem-setting with the best out there, but they've actively ignored trying to make beautiful movements, and so that keeps them from satisfying the horological enthusiast.
Buy what you like. Wear what you like. Collect what you want, anything more than one watch is a collection. If you make a few pounds great, if you lose pounds so be it.
My personal opinion you should wear everything you buy. But sometimes the practicality of wearing an expensive watch is challenging in certain cities.
Lots of people looked for different investment options when interest rates were low. Now the market is normalised the lots of people lost on paying over the odds on watches.
I love the mechanics and history of watches, the memories you build with them. I cannot afford everything I would like but that is ok. Good luck to those who can.
Be blessed with what you have. Watches are not an necessity they are luxury. Your phone tells you time and does a lot more.
Bravo. Everyone needs to cut this and have it handy to paste when you get the usual keyboard arseholes hiding behind a screen name putting anybody's watch tastes down. Ok, you get a pass if its a Hublot.
I have a Rolex. I used to have another. I didn’t have them both at the same time. I guess more than one anything meets the minimum requirement to use the word collection. I grew up where the only watch brand above a Seiko was Rolex, available at one store at the mall, and if you were interested in watches like I was when I was a kid, seeing one on someone’s wrist caught your attention, and not always for the best reasons, and that’s how stereotypes are born. And it’s when the stereotypes come into play that words like “collector” and “enthusiast” become fun for the casual observer. Rolex Guy in all of his greasy, smarmy fresh-out-the-casino awesomeness. One of my favorites - Corvette Guy in his satin varsity-style jacket always on his way to stand for hours on end in a Cracker Barrel parking lot with the same 13 or 14 other Corvette Guys. The scent of leaking Castro 10W40 and Aqua Velva… how is this not a Yankee Candle? My watch collection is modest. I love them all and most importantly, they all get worn and don’t just sit around in their boxes. Collector, enthusiast, or hardcore new to the game investment looking to recoup their bitcoin losses who otherwise might have never cared about watches at all, I guess it takes all types. Do you like/love/appreciate watches for what they are? That’s the question.
I remember the time people used to buy a watch and it was a purchase for life. No collection - simply everyday same watch for life. Same was the case with the cars...no collections. My point is: Get one really nice watch and enjoy it daily - that is cheaper than an affordable collection of some lower end watches.
Good post and people often refer to watches as a hobby which is exactly what they are for me.
When I first got into watches, I had no idea there was soooooo much drama in the hobby. There are some great people in this space and like everything else in this world there are snobs, a-holes, and scum buckets. Buy what you like for whatever reason you like but if you’re not enjoying your watches, you’re missing the point.
I think on every hobby you'll find these kinds of people because there are a lot of reasons for getting in on a hobby 🤣
I remember the time people used to buy a watch and it was a purchase for life. No collection - simply everyday same watch for as long as you remember. Same was the case with the cars...no collections. My point is: Get one really nice watch and enjoy it daily - that is cheaper than an affordable collection of some lower end watches.
I think your final words are on point, one must enjoy their own collecting and not judge others because of what they collect.
I own a couple of Rolex's. I also own a Tudor, Oris, TAG and Seiko. All are in rotation on my wrist and none are ever going up or resale. I don't think I'm a collector. I'm just a watch wearer.
I have a collection of around 30 watches but I'm not a collector. I am an impulsive, compulsive consumer that seeks baubles that give me the immediate dopamine hit my errant mind & personality requires. I rarely gain an emotional attachment to any of my purchases for longer than a few months & would only consider 3/4 of my watches as keepers.
I'm totally comfortable with my failings & view any loss I incur on the sale of a previous flavour of the minute as the cost of wearing. I love all my watches from my Tsar Bomba to Rolex OP or Datejust at the time of purchase, much like any of the woman I've fleetingly loved in my life. The one constant through time is my Cartier Santos, which is often the name that I call my wife of 25 years :)
IMO the problem with Rolex is that it is seen as both a symbol of wealth and luxury for the non-enthusiasts and as some kind of ultimate tool watch by many enthusiasts. yet it doesn't really excel at either role. Rolex is relatively expensive but not particularly luxurious. It's also not a great tool watch either (considering that you can get far better performing options for a fraction of the price e.g. a $50 G-Shock). But if you love Rolex, and can afford it, then who am I to tell you that you're not a collector?
A lot of purchasers buy a Rolex because it’s the only watch they have heard of, and everyone says it’s the best.
So I suppose as a percentage there are more
“Non collectors”
Amongst Rolex owners.
People who are WIS usually own a load of micro brands.
I like Rolex and many other brands. I view watches as a great combination of art and science.
Most people will say that being a 'Real Collector' means someone who is collecting with 'Discerning Taste'. Which is totally subjective. There are plenty of folks out there with really deep knowledge of obscure reference numbers and love the thrill of the chase for that really rare all original one with just the right patina. I might not care about that but there is certainly discernment happening there!
I have several watches but consider myself an “enthusiast” rather than a “collector”. I think if I were to purchase a new watch because it fit into some position within my “collection”, I would be a collector. On the other hand, if purchase a watch because I’m enthused by its look or mechanical features, regardless of whether it fits into a spot with my other watches, then I’m an “enthusiast”.
Useful distinction. I think it’s possible to do both. 👍🏻
Prefer those terms to "hobbyist." If taking watches apart, or mod them then ok but simply buying stuff is not a hobby, its consumerism.
@@davidr2802Consumerism is how ‘economies’ work…..
I don't consider myself a collector either, because I buy watches because I like them, not because I want to have a collection.
That being said...I do consider every new purchase if I'm gonna wear it. I even once sold one, because it felt superfluous. So, I got every watch because I liked it, but also because it fits its own niche...its own place in the collection.
Another point of view would be: Proper collections have a theme. In which case...I already have two Casios and I'm eyeing three more. Dang.
Collecting is fun. I collect model trains, coins and watches (including Rolex) among other things. Not all pieces will increase in value, but it doesn't matter. I enjoy everything I collect. Some things I will keep as mint as possible and other things I will use. Everyone has their own idea of what collecting is and that is the only thing that is important.
I have two cameras, both the same brand. I use both regularly: each are better suited to different tasks. Does that make me a camera collector, an enthusiast of that brand or an amateur photographer? Two out of three? I have four watches, each of which I wear regularly and I have no intention of selling any of them. Three of them are Omega and one is Rolex. Does that make me a watch collector, an Omega enthusiast or a bloke who enjoys wearing different watches to suit what he’s doing each day?
I’d say hoarding and/or flipping is not collecting. There’s a middle ground where you collect without accumulating more watches than you can sensibly appreciate and only sell infrequently, either because you aren’t wearing it or need to afford something else (not necessarily another watch). YMMV
4 watches or 1million watches can still be a collector
@@colingill47I’m with him. You can’t pigeon hole a collector by numbers. If you have more than one of a thing, you’re collecting them. 4 watches you wear on different days or occasions is not 4 x 1 different watches - it’s a collection of 4 watches
60+ watches in my collection. Enthusiast for 35+ yrs. Everything, mech/quartz, vintage mainly. Bought first ever used Rolex on holiday last year, for completeness & as an item of jewellery. My other watches are better value, but I wanted to see how it felt to own a Rolex.
OK. And?
Probably like: "Now I want to know how it feels to have a Patek" @@hibernopithecus7500
As someone else asked, and? How did it feel?
Lol yeah c'mon man gotta share your thoughts now
So how did it feel? You can’t just drop that here and be off the hook. Elaborate, and be “wordy” when you do.
Hello!
Well... another insightful and delightful video guys:) Collecting is a lot deeper in the human genome that we might want to know about. ahem... lol
Hey please tell Tell Tom that I picked up a Kahuna dive watch with velcro strap after watching on of your "watches that got away" videos and of all my watches (and I have many) I find myself wearing the damn thing constantly! haha
super fun!
take care and thanks for making this whole watch thing a bit more fun!
I despise everything about Rolex. Including the stupid word 'Rolex'.
Between this video and the email I received earlier, I reckon Watchfinder have a bunch of Rolexes that have been hanging around for longer than they'd like.
It's investor, or even speculator, v collector with rolex, etc. It depends on why you collect, but people who 'collect' for financial purposes shouldn't be considered true 'collectors' . If you hoard gold for financial purposes, are you considered a gold collector?
Are they Rolex collectors? Sure! Definitely!
Should we call them they watch collectors? No. Because most dont know enough (or much) about any watches except the resale value of their Rollies. I have encountered Rollie owners who do not know the difference between the 31xx vs 32xx movements, nor do they know which movement runs in their Rollies. There are other Rollie owners who do not know what is "Glidelock", or which rotating bezels are aluminium and which are ceramics. Nvm bakelite.
They may own watches. But I dont think you can refer to them as watch collectors. Yet for what its worth - i dont think they give a shxt about whether others see them as watch collectors or not.
Often times, they need people to know that they are rich - and they are afraid of losing money on their watches. Its a different paradigm.
Yes, Rollie collectors have the right to do whatever they like with their money. But in that same vein, collectors have the right to their opinion as well. Thus, collectors are well within their right to refer to a collection of only modern Rollies as boring, overly-hyped, and attention seeking - or maybe not. Regardless, its just opinions.
Yes its true - if Rolex are so popular, they must be doing something right. In that same vein, if its such a popular opinion amongst watch collectors that solely-Rollie collections are boring and overhyped, then there must be something right about that opinion as well.
Having said the abv, one may note that a collection comprising modern + neo vintage + vintage Rollies arent exactly hyped - nor boring. Such a collection would likely have greatly interesting stories about the collectors' journey (apart from holding value). But that is also just an opinion.
Then again, there are people with watch collections who genuinely don’t know a whole lot about watches. They’ve a collection of watches they were gifted, and/or bought coz they liked the look of them. Which is as valid a reason to call it a collection as any other, including just buying for the name.
Mainly Flippers, and investors, they keep them to show off wealth but ultimately don’t value them as a watch or wear them
I currently have Smiths, Accurist, Mondaine, Omega, Seiko, Tudor all worn, all enjoyed
When i get my Rolex(s) they will also be the same, worn, enjoyed and used.
I own many watches of various price points and have been an enthusiast for many years.
Brand wise I probably own more Seiko’s than any other. This was purely unintentional and simply just occurred. I’ve always appreciated their history and just found myself drawn to their designs/models more than any other. My point here may be that an actual collection should occur through legitimate enthusiasm as opposed to a controlled ‘intent’ to acquire specific items. Maybe ..
I have modest watches but I noticed that 60% of my watches were Seikos, and 50% of the Seikos were Samurais, and yet I have more Samurais on my sight, so I guess I organically became a Seiko Samurai collector!
Very interesting question for which an answer is very subjective. A better question is: enthusiast versus collector which are you? I collect watches, mainly Breitlings but also unusual brands like Fortis and Tutima. I built a Seiko Willard for a friend and also repaired his Kinetic and his 14 year old son is now looking for his first mechanical watch. This probably makes me a collector and enthusiast but someone who buys Rolex watches as an investment will unlikely be an enthusiast. Each to their own in any case.
I like no date 5 digit Rolex, Nomos, and Grand Seiko so I suppose I am all over the place. I would say that I am a fan of movements and enjoy simplicity.
I’ve always said I’m not a watch collector. I’m just a guy with 30 watches 😂
That was surprisingly good. I want a poster of Tom for my wall.
I consider myself a collector, and here is my definition.
I think for true collectors it is about the hunt. ANd you can often tell stories about how you purchased the watch.
Going to an AD is not "hunting".
1 to 10 watches = an enthusiast.
10 to 19 watches = a beginning collector
20 and more and still actively looking for more watches = collector
200 and more = advanced collector.
Yeah, Rolex makes nice watches which should be priced more like: $3k Datejust, $5k steel sub, $9k steel Daytona. Rolex are commensurate with the finishing and movements of watches in those price ranges and are considerably lower than JLC, Glasshutte Original, and Grand Seiko. I am not a contrarian/hipster, but would not spend MSRP on any Rolex because it really does project that you're not into watches and only care about what other people think. As an enthusiast, I care about the engineering and design much more than brand or heritage. If you spend a bunch of money on A. Lange or JLC, you come off as someone who is much more knowledgeable and genuinely interested in the hobby, rather than one who cares about impressing other people. Yes, I would love certain Rolex models, but only in a world where it didn't make me look shallow - and not for MSRP!
Gatekeepers are a good thing and we need more of them, in every hobby and activity.
I call your attention to people going to metal shows, standing in the middle of the pit, and complaining about people moshing.
If the gatekeepers had done their jobs properly these idiots would be at Nickelback concerts where they belong.
I do so enjoy the lighthearted amusing ramblings of you gents on all things watch related. Most splendid 👍… The big problem Rolex has is that it’s a magnet for the sort of Chavs that hijacked the Burberry tartan and had it on pushchairs and scarfs etc… the kind of issue BMW has with their customer base - I rest my case ☝️🤣🤣
Hear hear !
@@Breca Cliches Cliches !
@@davidr2802 You drive a BMW with plastic engine parts I assume. with ur rolex on
@@IT_Farhan If you have the money to spend on impellers enjoy !
I seem to be a misfit... because I love my watch collection. But apparently, they're all wrong in some way... 😂😂😂
It depends if they are collectors or speculators. Beside this Rolex is not worth the money
Eclectic pieces from various price ranges things you like to look at i have e watches I just like to look at but never wear they are just visually appealing to me
A person who only collects Rolex is the same person that has a one watch brand collection that just happens to be Rolex. He is a watch collector. You may disagree with his choice but he is still a collector. If that person accumulates Rolexes with the intention to make money from them, then he is not a collector, but a dealer.
Great episode
Sounds like Tom need a raise 📈
It depends. If they only have Rolex, then no - they're a Rolex collector. If they have other brands, of course. I'd buy a Rolex, if it were in any way realistic I could afford one, like it was 20 years ago, and I consider myself a watch enthusiast. I'm not a collector. I would be, if I had the means.
Rolex is a watch therefore watch collector !!😂
The most important distinction is between watch enthusiast and watch collector. Some people are one or the other, some people are both. But the two terms are often interpreted the same when they’re quite different, especially when it comes to “hype” brands like Rolex. I can purchase the same five Rolex watches as someone else, and I’d be a watch enthusiast with a watch collection and the other person would be a clout enthusiast with a watch collection
Check out the finishing on the GMT hand on the meteorite dial. Seen better at children’s art competition.
As taste, preferences, and motivations are a completely subjective, I’d say none of these can be used to demarcate Expert from Amateur.
I’d categorize those that have investment as their motive as Professional collector.
I’d differentiate Expert by: does the individual understand their preferences and motives and make purchases based on fulfillment of these motives.
The day I need someone else's permission to spend my money to collect whatever the hell I want to collect will be a sad day.
Collecting by definition is just, well, collecting 😉 Whether there is emotion behind it or not is just a personal thing, and we shouldn't judge... Cheers
Not a fan of gate keeping. Whether it be a Rolex snob or a Seiko enthusiast thinks a Rolex only collector/enthusiast isn’t a real watch person.
I just bought a Sub last year because I like it and always wanted one. It sits next to my Speedy, which sits to my Navitimer, which sits next to my PRX, which is next to my Bambino and G Shock.
Collect what you like!!! No litmus tests needed.
I have a lot of forks and knives but I don’t consider myself a “collector of forks and knives”.
I say you can be a collector with or without a Rolex.
If you think you’re a collector…then you are!
4 of my friends owned a rolex, they dont know nothing about watch. They bought it just because normal people consider rolex watch wearer as " a rich guy "
How did such a smart and good looking guy get such dumb friends?
A collection is whatever you, the collector, want it to be. Not what other people say it is.
Somewhere back in 2021, I found myself in an ice cream shop with a friend, when an obviously suburban or at the very least tourist family wandered in from the deep dish pizza restaurant across the street, in search of more saturated fat. The porcine patriarch of this dull brood happened to be wearing what I mistook at first glance to be a white dial OP 39. I sidled up to him, eager to have a chat with a fellow enthusiast and to pay him a bona fide compliment. When I asked him if the piece was in fact an OP, the blood drained from his overfed bulbous face and he began to look around furtively, essentially implying that I was a potential thief who'd found his mark. This boob even managed to stammer in answer to my inquiry something to the effect of "not if you're going to steal it." then muttering that he was actually wearing a DJ (a 41 with fluted bezel as it turned out-the cyclops should've given it away). It was immediately clear that this was not an enthusiast at all but someone with too much money and comparatively less couth. At times I've thought that those most interested in the Ro-flex aspect of this brand shouldn't be allowed to even cross the threshold of an AD's boutique without being tased into submission.
Some people exclusively collect G-Shocks, they are considered collectors. If someone exclusively collects Rolex, for the watches, they are collectors all right. If they do so exclusively as an investment, I'd argue they are investors, specially if they keep them boxed in a safe. The same happens with art, many people "collect" art as an investment, usually not even displaying their pieces. Again, they are not art collectors, they are investors. I collect watches and coins, my collection includes a couple of Rolex I wear regularly. I am more of an Omega fanboy, owning 4, but I like my 2 Rolex very much. Regarding my coins, years ago I bought a gold coin with a certificate of authenticity, it came in a plastic case. I broke it open because I enjoy coins, feeling them is part of my enjoyment. A friend told me I just devaluated my coin, but I collect coins, I don't invest in coins, so breaking the box open was logical to me.
you can always be a Rolex collector if you have more than 3 of them (otherwise you just have a couple) but that doesn't make you a watch collector or enthusiast. you are a brand collector who doesn't know how to appreciate other artists and brands for what they are really known for. I think people are afraid of missing out on the hype, the investment and popularity when they don't buy Rolex. You probably dint want the Rolex but had the chance to get it to anyway, and still got it. But yes, there are better brands that offer more, and sell less. Rolex prices are too high for being tool watches. I got mine before the pandemic, when prices were still normal. todays prices are crazy!
Interesting conversation. I wonder if the anti-Rolex sentiment is more about those who hold those sentiments (... and maybe their inability to to get a Rolex around their wrists -- an inability with which I am also afflicted) then the Crown itself. Of course people are free to like and dislike whatever they choose, but it's concerning when personal dislikes metastasize into zealotry. If you don't want a Rolex then great (the rest of us would appreciate at little less demand), but imagine a mechanical watch industry without Rolex.
For me anybody having more than one watch is a collector, doesn't mean they're an enthusiast, because that's a different thing. The reason for collecting doesn't matter, someone can have only daniel wellington, mvmt, invicta or rolex, if they have more of them, it is a collection.
That makes me feel better about my collection of Tissot Seikos and cheap homages. I just got a Joker watch that is absurdly wonderful, and I’m excited for my aged No Rad dial on the way
Yeah I agree with all that, with the proviso that I use the term "watch collector" in the derogatory.
Simple answer: Yes they can be. Who has the authority to decide what category or subcategory of a type of object that it’s acceptable for people to acquire that they enjoy? Rolex has a rich history.
If your keeping them to sell. Your not collecting them, you're just storing them, like a warehouse. In a way the end goal is to not have them anymore. Nothing against people who do this.
I own more than one pair of socks, but that doesn’t make me a “sock collector” in any useful meaning of the word “collector”
A collection needs a theme like "Subs of different generations" or "every colour of the OPs that year". Not just "a couple of random Rolex I own because I got called from my dealer".
QQ did Rolex ever use two ls for the Indian market?
that Yellow Oyster Perpetual is gorgeous... but I'm not kissing AD a$$ to get one!
You guys are the best!
Sure you‘re not
I think INVESTOR is a key distinction. If you wear and enjoy your watch, you're a collector. If it goes in a safe, you're just investing at that point.
I have what I consider a fairly decent watch collection, including Tag Heur, Tudor and Omega, but my Rolex GMT master 2 is something special, even the way it feels is above the others. Yes my Omega seamaster 300 has a technically superior movement, my speedmaster has more horological history and significance than almost any other watch. But the Rolex is special.
Man, some of these macro shots aren’t very flattering. Look at the paint job on the minute hand at 4:10, for instance. Would this be visible to the naked eye? Maybe not, but it does suggest that the brand is overpriced for what it actually is (mass-produced sports watches).
You didn’t answer the question. You just blathered on about Rolex? Or did you remove Rolex from the title?
funny thing is, i like to collect things, but i really likerolex from the 50ties for some reason
Personally I think Rolex are good value for money if you buy them at retail. The retail prices are nowhere in the area of high complication watches. Therefor I believe you can be a watch enthusiast buying Rolexes if you have more patience than money and wait for the dealer to contact you. The reward is tenfold.
You didn't watch this channel often, do you?
They are hugely overpriced at retail. You're paying a big premium to have Rolex written on the dial.
@@garyboyle695those magical 5 letters are all that matters to most
@@garyboyle695no. That is troll talk. Anyone who actually knows the movement and have looked at a Rolex under a loop know why they are the price they are.
Never bought for investment. I collect watches, because I am an enthusiast and because I like the watch irrelevant of the brand name. I would say that Rolex are a marketing company which just happens to sell quality watches, which in effect is a lot of smoke and mirrors to sell a watch which has a compatibility with any other quality manufacturer.
The line is between collectors and enthusiasts, as simple as that.
There are people in the world who don't have the level of interest to truly research their hobbies, they just want to get into something and feel like they look the part. Thats why Rolex is popular, most will buy Rolex thinking their "into watches" its easy, the heritage is easy to understand because its mostly made up anyway. You can go so much deeper into horology and discover so much more, but it takes effort most couldn't be bothered with
Pro Tip: I wouldn't try to ascribe my own beliefs on to other people's why's and what's. How about saying something new and reaffirming rather than restating tired cliches?
Love Timepiece for Timepiece VS Love Timepiece for Retention Value........for me important is, the thing make me happy and love
Yes.
I don’t collect watches. I wear them.
Collect what you like. What anyone else thinks is really immaterial in my opinion. If you want to collect Rolex collect Rolex. If you want to collect those grains of sand from the beach, then collect those grains of sand.
My issue, is that its an extremely expensive hobby. I adore mens watches. If I won the lottery, Id buy so many both lower end and higher end, because for me, a pricepoint doesnt define what I think is good. I appreciate so many watches for their look, but also their function. Rolex is only the most popular. There are so many other brands that have incredible timepieces to offer.
Over under on how many times beanie babies has been used as a metaphor on a watch channel. Incredible.
agree it doesnt matter what others think
This whole conversation is a perfect example of the core subject of the video. It's really a "them" and "us" conversation. Are you someone who will watch a video solely around a sematic argument between one arbitrary watch industry/community term or another? If you are here engaging with the video and the conversation you are an "us", if you are not then you are a "them" - or you have poor taste in RUclips watch channels. 🙂
I don't have a label for my interest in watches and I don't have a theme for my modest collection but it is very much about me and what's important to me. I don't like Rolexes because I don't like to be manipulated into wanting something (or at least I want the veil to remain unbroken so I don't know I'm being manipulated). I like and have a Tudor, which makes no sense considering the first statement! I like and have a Pam Submersible, which I purchased instead of an Omega Dark of Moon when I found most vintage inspired watches look like kids watches on my wrist.
Royal Oak, Nautilus, Richard Mille and chronographs - are just meh to me. I know you are "supposed" to desire them but I think that is what turns me off them. So this is really the heart of it, i you collect watches, it's for your own reason and only you get to decide if that makes you a watch collector or something else.
I would personally like to own a Rolex Submariner (No date) i have had my name recorded to purchase one at 2 x AD's in Sydney and Canberra for 6 months now, and still havn't been notified ? This is unfortunate for the Genuine person wanting to own one. 😟 Au
By the this definition, if you own a few pairs of pants then you are a pants collector.
Funny how nobody gets butthurt by people collecting Casio only but when we up the price suddenly we get haters.
I am an amateur. I have more watches than I need, including one that no longer works but is in its own watchbox.
There'll always be a perception that anyone who buys a Rolex is potentially a flipper, at least while the watch market is still a somewhat viable investment area - and that won't last forever.
Of course they are real collectors. Gullible and totally lacking in imagination collectors but they're still collectors.
I honestly can't think of another brand that is both so overhyped and vastly overpriced (there is Seiko of course but they're at a much lower price point).
I find the terms, collector, enthusiast, hobbyist and the like ,silly, and the way in which people differentiate those terms even sillier. The whole Rolex hate part of it is, in most cases, just emotional dysfunction for those who want to be thought of as more "serious", "knowledgeable" "collectors" and dont like Rolex or people who like Rolex because of the whole hype angle. It is all very silly, childish and sad.
I like watches, i buy watches that I like, and wear them. I look at them and enjoy researching thier function and the history of the watcnmakers, and watchmaking. I do not need to define or label this behaviour.
If someone has a collection which only consists of Rolex, he either doesn´t quiet get it or he´s a marketing victim.
Happy new year everyone. Dun spend your hardearn money on luxury watch to make billionair riches. You only need a casio if you need a watch.
As a Greek I can say that the British museum is a hoard of swag. There is an example of nuance. Similarly he does not ordinarily collect houses, just because he has 20 of them, he is an investor in property. That goes for stamps, or watches, or whatever. Rolux people sound like investors, those of us who buy for beauty and curiosity with long term financial gain as a distant possible upside are collectors. Language is nuanced, let’s use it properly, e.g. I collect beautiful and interesting watches, whilst that wanker invests in rolux, ...we are not part of the same fraternity.
Rolex owners give off a BMW owner vibe
I drive a Lexus.
Yep, I have a Rolex and a bmw ….
What's the difference between a porcupine and a rolux? Roluxes have their pricks on the inside...
@@01egnayes good one that, I remember when I first heard it on auf weidersen pet 30 years ago.
I don’t own a Rolex but I prefer to be identified as a watch wearer 🤣
I have a Rolex. I dont collect them. I have many other watches, and brands, in my collection.
People do the same thing with art = art collector…
collecting in this context is a complusion to gather objects of some personal value. Does one need them? No.
Can someone explain why he said Rolex aren't the best watches?
I think I can be called a "collector". My reasons for "purchase" though is more on what the watch - specifically the brand - represents in terms of pop-culture. I don't wear them as I don't want to attract attention . Having smaller wrists and proclivity to 41mm steel on steel doesn't help. The pleasure of ownership is reason enough to collect. Watches, unlike cars of old (1910's - 2010) are visually similar and the ones that buck the trend are atrociously FUGLY except to A Lange Sohne so I don't aspire to the likes of Hublot (not that I can afford those). Even the Panda Rolex Daytona looks like an angry face and I cannot fathom why anyone would spend that much money to look at a face that frowns back, even if Paul Newman found it attractive.
Great show. Dinosaur bones are a great comparison. The modern Rolex evolves almost as quick as the dinosaurs.
I think a lot of people are genuine Rolex collectors.
Also think they are too blind to consider other brands that are as good or better for the money.
I am willing to bet a ton of watch folks are like me. Have a couple of Rolexes, an Omega or two, A GS, perhaps a JLC, and then some Seiko's, maybe a sprinkling of micro brands such as An Ordain. And then there are folks like you who watch too many watch videos so you are brainwashed into thinking its always an either or proposition because that is clickbait for weak minds rather than an and, and, and and and.
I am a gatekeeper, twisted gatekeeper.
Regards
St. Peter