Disagree with mr. Fletcher? On a British AFV? I may not be that smart but I know a damn set-up when I see it. If I want to make a bloody fool of myself I can do it anytime I want to, thank you very much. 🙂
Ex Fox crewman brings back memories of the driving instructor say he couldn't sleep the night before taking out new drivers for their first spin in a Fox.
We had one Fox booked by the police doing 92 mph! I've been in one where the speedometer was up against the stop (the driver was known as Crazy Eddy). The book figure for speed is much lower than actual.
I met a former nco who's been in Saracens in the fifties. Apparently, after a demo at Silverstone by Stirling Moss on one without the engine governor, the governor on the nco's Saracen 'disappeared' and it was able to cruise at about 70mph - !
Users have told me that the turret was excellent. Just not on that chassis. They wanted it taken off and to use it as a big Ferret. Smaller for concealment, faster, longer range and both lighter and far more stable. Plus far more smoke projectors. If spotted cover your self in smoke and run away. Fighting is someone else’s business. Nice turret. Nice chassis. Bad together.
Re Driver Training - Just like the M151 series quarter tons in the US Army. Required special training and a special mark on your military driver's license that you had gotten such. I had one turn over, I wasn't present, signing out a range, but the company commander was leading a convoy at high speed down a tank trail when one of my M825's (M151 with a modified rear suspension to carry 106mm Recoilless Rifle, which made it even more delicate to drive) got the front wheel caught in a deep wheel rut, which caused it to turn abruptly and roll. One of its crew had his hand caught between the sliding vehicle and the ground and had to be medically discharged.
Definitely had to pay attention when driving the M151s. Ours had the ROPS roll bars installed, but they were still skittish in a turn. While a lot larger and louder, I was a happy troop the day we got our HMMWVs.
We had fox in the TA great vehicle fast and agile very rarely got stuck on Salisbury plain in the mud.The rarden was an excellent weapon also the general purpose machine gun was a good piece of kit .it had a night sight for the gunner and a boiling vessel for making tea etc
I'm sure they used the 30mm Rarden for commonality with Scimitar and Warrior but the extra weight of the thing and building a 2-man turret to take it likely contributed to the top-heaviness and roll-over issues. The fact the vehicle body used aluminium armor instead of steel meant there just wasn't as much weight down low to counter-balance the turret weight. They probably could have done a lot to fix the issue by retrofitting the hulls with a steel belly plate to add extra weight below the axle centers.
Not so - the problem was akin to swing axle jacking, where if you braked in a corner, the nose went down, the tail went up. The rear suspension would go into negative camber and the vehicle rolled onto the tyre edge. The back would then break away and then over you went if the wheel hit a bump or you were going fast enough. (The high C of G didn't help, but it was not the primary problem, because if you didn't brake it was difficult to make it slide, and at sensible speeds over bumps - not cornering - it didn't turn over ) In fact, if you took the turret off, Fox was worse, which was not what was expected and made people look at the suspension. Could have been solved by a longer rear lower wishbone to put the rears into positive camber. There is an MVEE film, with the vehicle instrumented and steer and vehicle angles measured which demonstrated this very clearly. Did the trials, but the solution was found too late, as it was going out of service. People had been chasing the cg problem, and not looked at it properly Also, being 13/18H, we crewed them for a long time.
There are at least 2 Fox's in Australia and a good friend of mine has one of the 2 surviving Vixens and it is operational and pretty much kitted out. That one is located in Queensland, Australia.
Rarden was an excellent gun, on the range, using practice rounds - which were just aluminium to make a hole in a wooden target, I've seen go through the side armour of a ferret and completely through the engine block - so what would armour piercing do! ( Thanks to 2nd Tanks for letting us REME fire a few rounds at Magilligan Range! )
wrong info, the gun held 6 rounds, one in the breech 5 in the gun body, it has 4 smoke grenade dischargers both sides, not 2, and the green fire extinguisher is part of the NBC vehicle decontamination kit,
The Ferret was top heavy as well. I commanded a troop of them for a bit in Cyprus. They were 9/12 lancers or the point seven fivers as I would teasingly call them. Fun little armoured car.
Shame that the Fox we got wasn’t Fox Scout. That had an MG turret plus lots of space for surveillance equipment. Developed at Barnbow, late seventies. As a kid I once played with the demo models of Fox Scout, Fox Milan and Fox 25 at a friends house, as his father worked at Barnbow. Pretty sure Vixen was FV722(2?)
Well, a simple solution to the Fox’s stability ‘issues’ would be to have ‘reversible offset’ wheels, with the hub offset to one side of the wheel. Having the wheels mounted inward for transport, all the crew would need to make it more stable is reverse the wheels so they are projecting beyond the sides of the vehicle. The vehicle could still be operated without the alteration, but on more even terrain. Might take a bit of time to jack up and reverse the four wheels, but certainly faster than changing out a tank’s transport tracks or putting on grousers.
Th Rarden is an extremely potent gun. For anyone who doubts the efficacy of the 'smaller' canon like 30mm, then just look at the Ukrainian BTR 4 destroying the Russian T72 during the present conflict.
ex Life Guard,we were the last squadron in the british army to use Fox ,the only thing good about it was the Rarden 30mm and taking one home to show my mum from Windsor to Hounslow whilst on Driver Training 😂
Should we be really surprised that the Fox went in to service without being properly tested ? When they did find out the turret was too heavy,why didn't they replace it with something else,a lighter turret with a different weapon system ,for instance ?
Before anybody starts bickering about aluminum vs steel armor Id like to remind you that if the vehicle actually got into direct combat and taking effective armor-piercing fire something has gone terribly-terribly wrong. Plenty IFV's or AFV's mount 20mm guns and upwards rendering the armor of the Vixen and the Fox completely irrelevant.
That's not the fire extinguisher, they were little green things on the front of the hull. That big bottle is part of the NBC Cleaning apparatus. 'Unstable'? They were flipping death traps! Had a few close calls in those things 😯😦😟😰😰😰 Lovely gun though 👍😊👌
Queens own yeomanry Ta based at york.i was in the Qoy army cadets in the late 70's they looked nice to a 13 year old kid then a 14 year old kid and a 15 year old kid. all them years are me.
Thanks for the vid. Im well into armoured cars. I might get one to restore when I retire. Turret is just too big for the fox. I don't think there was any fix for that. Probly why they never bothered trying.
I crewed one in Northern Ireland, I think they should have removed the Rarden Cannon to change the point of gravity, it drove great, no dramas, but a driver did kill his commander one day, any vehicle is dangerous if you drive too fast, apparently a suspension fault. The FOX was taken off the road in Northern Ireland because the locals called it a tank. The crazy thing is, it was the best weapon the Army never used! It had a 7,62 GPMG fitted to the Gun Cradle, and it had a 10X Night Sight that would have stopped any IRA Active Service Units, or murder groups of upto 25 , is more realistic description, from crossing the Border at all. I served there in FOX in 1979, in 1976 there was one 10X Scope, with no Night Observation for a whole Squadron to share, we did have the IWS, but that turned your eyes into Vampire like globes! Rank Stupidity removing this vehicle from NI? And it showed there was no interest in stopping the murders by the IRA? Or they thought it , ``Unsporting´´?
Cannot agree about flotation screens being useless, had the Americans launched their DD Sherman's closer to shore in view of the sea conditions on D Day they could have reduced their casualties considerably, but they launched them into conditions they were never designed for and thus floundered. The reason we maintained their use into the 70/80s was because the first thing that would happen in the case of a Soviet advance into Europe was us blowing all bridges, and without the flotation screens our vehicles would be stuck on the wrong side of the river in many cases (and of course the bean counters pointed out they were very expensive to maintain) also we bought the M3 AMPHIBIOUS BRIDGING VEHICLE.
@@barrywood7322 Enjoyed my time attached to 2RTR - good bunch of guys and very switched on towards their vehicles unlike a certain Cavalry regiment that came after you!
Okay, I'm confused. I have read about and spoken to a Ferret owner about the Daimler Ferret 80, which was a prototype to replace the Ferret with a 3 man crew and a 80mm chain gun. I know that it was dropped because it was too top heavy and unstable, but did this become the Fox or was the Fox a separate design?? Please don't shout, I'm only quoting The Observer's Guide to Armoured Vehicles and I would like to know.
Serous answer. Why not E mail either of the two Davids at the Tank Museum? They have an extensive library and I'm sure they would be willing to let you know.
@@thewomble1509 Thanks, I think I might do that. I seem to remember reading a magazine article about the Ferret and seeing a photo of the prototype Ferret 80.
Probably need to do a little research and fact finding before quoting anecdotes as fact. The facts are actually held in the Museums own archives !! "Top Heavy" Nope the CofG especially when bombed up is not far off the Ferrets. The weight drifted rearwards with steel louvres, soft tyres and hard braking into corners being the contributing factors. So they did set out to solve it, the research is well documented , With changes to Tyre pressures, loading and yes driver training. Also "Fire Extinguisher" Come on Mr Fletcher, The Fox is scaled for 4 BCF extinguishers but this is not one of them. Its the Decontamination Unit. The Extinguishers are mounted on the Front, Left rear and Two inside the Hull. Disappointed Tank Museum with this History Light approach to facts.
Love that series, very educational. Observing an older museum piece being torn down makes me appreciate the progress made over time to evolve our current generation equipment!
Add a Javelin Lightweight Multiple Launcher (LML), and it’d be perfect! One of the ‘auxiliary crewmen’ positions could be used as the launch controller with a video feed from the launcher.
Hi Tank Nuts! Let us know what you think about the Vixen and Fox armoured cars. Do you agree with David's thoughts?
Love this channel, can't wait to go back to the Museum next time I'm in the UK!
Disagree with mr. Fletcher? On a British AFV? I may not be that smart but I know a damn set-up when I see it. If I want to make a bloody fool of myself I can do it anytime I want to, thank you very much. 🙂
Yes. David knows more about these vehicles.
These are great looking vehicles. So iconic.
There is/ was a Vixen up in Scotland. As far as I know it was going to America just as Brexit hit.
I always enjoy listening to David Fletcher's tank chats. He's like the David Attenborough of tanks. Really appreciate you guys at the Tank Museum!
Tank Jesus
🤣
"the David Attenborough of tanks"
well said sir.
He is better than David.
The David Attenborough, FFS no way!
The final tank chat of Mr Fletcher, the end of an era.
I'm sure he'll go on to walk the halls of Bovington and chat with tanks for years to come! :) and they will like it just as much as the YT community.
This is the exact kit I want my David Fletcher action figure to wear. Come on Tank Museum, it can't be that difficult!
If the Tank museum did bring out a David Fletcher figure to scale, it would be a huge seller.
Ex Fox crewman brings back memories of the driving instructor say he couldn't sleep the night before taking out new drivers for their first spin in a Fox.
We had one Fox booked by the police doing 92 mph! I've been in one where the speedometer was up against the stop (the driver was known as Crazy Eddy). The book figure for speed is much lower than actual.
I met a former nco who's been in Saracens in the fifties. Apparently, after a demo at Silverstone by Stirling Moss on one without the engine governor, the governor on the nco's Saracen 'disappeared' and it was able to cruise at about 70mph - !
David Fletcher...the Bob Ross of tanks...
Every mistake is not a happy little accident though is it.
No Friday afternoon is complete without a video from The Tank Museum - and this one was as fabulous as ever!
Except last Friday.
Users have told me that the turret was excellent. Just not on that chassis. They wanted it taken off and to use it as a big Ferret. Smaller for concealment, faster, longer range and both lighter and far more stable. Plus far more smoke projectors. If spotted cover your self in smoke and run away. Fighting is someone else’s business. Nice turret. Nice chassis. Bad together.
Re Driver Training - Just like the M151 series quarter tons in the US Army. Required special training and a special mark on your military driver's license that you had gotten such. I had one turn over, I wasn't present, signing out a range, but the company commander was leading a convoy at high speed down a tank trail when one of my M825's (M151 with a modified rear suspension to carry 106mm Recoilless Rifle, which made it even more delicate to drive) got the front wheel caught in a deep wheel rut, which caused it to turn abruptly and roll. One of its crew had his hand caught between the sliding vehicle and the ground and had to be medically discharged.
Definitely had to pay attention when driving the M151s. Ours had the ROPS roll bars installed, but they were still skittish in a turn. While a lot larger and louder, I was a happy troop the day we got our HMMWVs.
We had fox in the TA great vehicle fast and agile very rarely got stuck on Salisbury plain in the mud.The rarden was an excellent weapon also the general purpose machine gun was a good piece of kit .it had a night sight for the gunner and a boiling vessel for making tea etc
The welding on the Fox is very impressive.
I'm sure they used the 30mm Rarden for commonality with Scimitar and Warrior but the extra weight of the thing and building a 2-man turret to take it likely contributed to the top-heaviness and roll-over issues. The fact the vehicle body used aluminium armor instead of steel meant there just wasn't as much weight down low to counter-balance the turret weight. They probably could have done a lot to fix the issue by retrofitting the hulls with a steel belly plate to add extra weight below the axle centers.
Not so - the problem was akin to swing axle jacking, where if you braked in a corner, the nose went down, the tail went up. The rear suspension would go into negative camber and the vehicle rolled onto the tyre edge. The back would then break away and then over you went if the wheel hit a bump or you were going fast enough. (The high C of G didn't help, but it was not the primary problem, because if you didn't brake it was difficult to make it slide, and at sensible speeds over bumps - not cornering - it didn't turn over )
In fact, if you took the turret off, Fox was worse, which was not what was expected and made people look at the suspension. Could have been solved by a longer rear lower wishbone to put the rears into positive camber. There is an MVEE film, with the vehicle instrumented and steer and vehicle angles measured which demonstrated this very clearly.
Did the trials, but the solution was found too late, as it was going out of service. People had been chasing the cg problem, and not looked at it properly Also, being 13/18H, we crewed them for a long time.
There are at least 2 Fox's in Australia and a good friend of mine has one of the 2 surviving Vixens and it is operational and pretty much kitted out. That one is located in Queensland, Australia.
Rarden was an excellent gun, on the range, using practice rounds - which were just aluminium to make a hole in a wooden target, I've seen go through the side armour of a ferret and completely through the engine block - so what would armour piercing do! ( Thanks to 2nd Tanks for letting us REME fire a few rounds at Magilligan Range! )
Great times with the QOY B sqdn- Sherwood Ranger’s. Happy memories of Fox & Scimitar.
Very interesting. Thank you David Fletcher. I'm always excited to see a new Tank Chat.
”they do 100km/h which is nice if they stay the right way up” :D
Nice video, thank you sir.
Always liked the look of the little Fox. Looks like it means business for its size. 🦊
wrong info, the gun held 6 rounds, one in the breech 5 in the gun body, it has 4 smoke grenade dischargers both sides, not 2, and the green fire extinguisher is part of the NBC vehicle decontamination kit,
I want a Vixen so much! Plenty of room for the shopping or perhaps taking the folks for a picnic 🙂
Rarden holds 6 rounds, loaded in clips of three NOT three rounds.
When I was at college I knew a Fox and she was related to the Vixen. It didn't work out either.
6:55 "Because obviously you dont want vehicles turning upside down in the middle of a battle. That would be rather embarrassing."
The Ferret was top heavy as well. I commanded a troop of them for a bit in Cyprus. They were 9/12 lancers or the point seven fivers as I would teasingly call them.
Fun little armoured car.
3/4 spear chuckers!😂😂😂🇧🇴
I've seen tipped over Foxes when out with the NIH, so the instability was a fun feature.
Shame that the Fox we got wasn’t Fox Scout. That had an MG turret plus lots of space for surveillance equipment. Developed at Barnbow, late seventies. As a kid I once played with the demo models of Fox Scout, Fox Milan and Fox 25 at a friends house, as his father worked at Barnbow. Pretty sure Vixen was FV722(2?)
One casualty of a Fox rollover... Private Truan of 1 D and D... RIP
the next british tank had damned well better be called the Fletcher!
Wasn't one of these that took out the skyhawk in the Falklands, it was a Blues and Royals Scimitar
He was talking about the weapon not the wagon.
So there is a Fox and Vixen and I guess them being mixed together makes smaller vehicle named Kit.
@VKs ASDgaming
This is a family channel. Please take your vulgarity elsewhere.
@@bebo4807 Just statement of physical facts. Just like Father added with Mother equals Child.
Actually it would be Cub. I like your reasoning though.
@@bebo4807 Vulgarity? A Cub is the result of mating of a Dog Fox and a Vixen. That's just simple biology.
But over time, like all AFVs, the design would grow and grow.
I love watching these chats!
Fox titbit: Several Foxes appeared during a military parade scene in the Madonna film ‘Evita’. The scene was supposed to take place in the 1940s.
Well, a simple solution to the Fox’s stability ‘issues’ would be to have ‘reversible offset’ wheels, with the hub offset to one side of the wheel. Having the wheels mounted inward for transport, all the crew would need to make it more stable is reverse the wheels so they are projecting beyond the sides of the vehicle. The vehicle could still be operated without the alteration, but on more even terrain. Might take a bit of time to jack up and reverse the four wheels, but certainly faster than changing out a tank’s transport tracks or putting on grousers.
This is the first time I've seen David Fletcher' standing next to an armored vehicle and thought "wow, he looks huge!"
I agree with David Fletcher’s thoughts. How can one not? He explained both vehicles uses, design and purpose. He is the best!
Had one of these privately for a number of years in the States. Wish I had held onto it, almost impossible to find now.
Thank you for sharing
🙏🇺🇲🤗
Thank you Mr Fletcher. Love your narration
I was in the Army at the time that Fox was around, but I never even heard of Vixen
I saw a Vixen in 1976/1977,not sure if it was Catterick or Bovington.Glad I was in Cheiftain and not on Fox,which was a deathtrap
David,
A brilliant video and most interesting information on the Vixen.
i love those little armored cars, cool little things.
Kids have stabilisers on their bikes, maybe the fox 🦊 needed some of those 🎢
Th Rarden is an extremely potent gun. For anyone who doubts the efficacy of the 'smaller' canon like 30mm, then just look at the Ukrainian BTR 4 destroying the Russian T72 during the present conflict.
That was so ballsy, I saw the video of that engagement. Hit it in the lower part of the Hull area.
What Ukrainian BTR, there's none left !
ex Life Guard,we were the last squadron in the british army to use Fox ,the only thing good about it was the Rarden 30mm and taking one home to show my mum from Windsor to Hounslow whilst on Driver Training 😂
Thank you, Mr. Fletcher Sir, always enjoyable having you present, as I can walk away thoroughly squared away, Cheers
Should we be really surprised that the Fox went in to service without being properly tested ? When they did find out the turret was too heavy,why didn't they replace it with something else,a lighter turret with a different weapon system ,for instance ?
Oh come on, I am sad to see him retire. I hope he returns for a few more in the future. Thank you Mr. Fletcher!
You have to hand it to the Limeys. They made the cutest little armored cars.
The Vixen was much hyped back in the 1970's, surprising it never got wider interest, but the 30mm Raden! a canon-mans canon!
I love the look of armored cars of that vintage
those cutaway illistrations really do a great job selling this thing, it must have been a terribly cramped affair
We were like sardines in the Ferret. Once you get your kit in there it's very tight.
Came here to see if David agrees the Fox need's to have it's BR increased.
That's how it was done. Love it_!
We had 2 Ferrets in 44 Fld Spt Sqn in the late 80's
No reason to replace them with a larger vehicle to do the same job.
I do hope Mr Fletcher is alright! he is sounding better on this video. take care
“ if they stay the right way up “ 😂
What are those metal loops (in lack of knowing any better term) on the belly of the Fox, and the sides facing down on the Vixen?
I believe they're positions to attach hooks for when you tie down the vehicle on a railcar or ship.
You know, I could care less about the tank but I love listening to Dave talk. He's the best.
It’s “couldn’t care less” :)
@@bob_the_bomb4508 Tom-a-toes; Tom-A-toes. (You/we are right though)
Maybe he could though?
We had these in the Royal Wiltshire Yeomanry very fast on road not too bad off
Before anybody starts bickering about aluminum vs steel armor Id like to remind you that if the vehicle actually got into direct combat and taking effective armor-piercing fire something has gone terribly-terribly wrong. Plenty IFV's or AFV's mount 20mm guns and upwards rendering the armor of the Vixen and the Fox completely irrelevant.
Could imagine a modernised Fox, with a remote turret station instead of a turret... could be a powerful unit. Like a Fennek with a turret.
That's not the fire extinguisher, they were little green things on the front of the hull. That big bottle is part of the NBC Cleaning apparatus.
'Unstable'? They were flipping death traps! Had a few close calls in those things 😯😦😟😰😰😰
Lovely gun though 👍😊👌
The 3rd and 4th members of the crew are to keep the fuel tanks company on long drives!! ;-)
An exciting place to sit in combat!!!
“Soft armour”.
@@andrewallason4530 I get it extra protection for the fuel🤔🤔
"They had a habbit of tipping over. Which is a bit embaressing in the middle of a battle"- Tell that to the Beaverette :D
The Great David Fletcher and His Moustache. One likes!
Queens own yeomanry Ta based at york.i was in the Qoy army cadets in the late 70's they looked nice to a 13 year old kid then a 14 year old kid and a 15 year old kid. all them years are me.
8.50 a Fox shot down a Skyhawk. I've never seen any mention of Foxes in the Falklands
It was a Scimitar with a 30mm Rarden, same gun on the Fox
Thanks for the vid. Im well into armoured cars. I might get one to restore when I retire. Turret is just too big for the fox. I don't think there was any fix for that. Probly why they never bothered trying.
I crewed one in Northern Ireland, I think they should have removed the Rarden Cannon to change the point of gravity, it drove great, no dramas, but a driver did kill his commander one day, any vehicle is dangerous if you drive too fast, apparently a suspension fault.
The FOX was taken off the road in Northern Ireland because the locals called it a tank.
The crazy thing is, it was the best weapon the Army never used!
It had a 7,62 GPMG fitted to the Gun Cradle, and it had a 10X Night Sight that would have stopped any IRA Active Service Units, or murder groups of upto 25 , is more realistic description, from crossing the Border at all.
I served there in FOX in 1979, in 1976 there was one 10X Scope, with no Night Observation for a whole Squadron to share, we did have the IWS, but that turned your eyes into Vampire like globes!
Rank Stupidity removing this vehicle from NI?
And it showed there was no interest in stopping the murders by the IRA? Or they thought it , ``Unsporting´´?
The Vixen needs a good clean 😂
Cannot agree about flotation screens being useless, had the Americans launched their DD Sherman's closer to shore in view of the sea conditions on D Day they could have reduced their casualties considerably, but they launched them into conditions they were never designed for and thus floundered. The reason we maintained their use into the 70/80s was because the first thing that would happen in the case of a Soviet advance into Europe was us blowing all bridges, and without the flotation screens our vehicles would be stuck on the wrong side of the river in many cases (and of course the bean counters pointed out they were very expensive to maintain) also we bought the M3 AMPHIBIOUS BRIDGING VEHICLE.
I love weird vehicles like this. Right next to halftracks and aircraft carrier zeppelins.
Always quaint when he mis-pronounces "aluminium," bless him! ("alumiLLium"). 😄
Better than all'septics with their "aluminum"
Ого, какой прикольный хоббит, сразу на первых кадрах)))
Great vehicles specific recce vehicles quiet as a driver 20 years old fun days on the M1 😂 infantry battalions mid 80s
Great video 👍
I learnt to drive a fox whilst serving in Omagh it was the only way we could get full crewman as CVR(T) wasn’t allowed in NI 79 for some reason 😊
I was a VM on Fox in Omagh '79 - '81
@@martingardener90 i was Ajax 2RTR
@@barrywood7322 Enjoyed my time attached to 2RTR - good bunch of guys and very switched on towards their vehicles unlike a certain Cavalry regiment that came after you!
@@martingardener90 We had Problem with the Cav Regt we took over from ie cotton waste in the fuel tanks took ages to sort it out, oh well.
Otherwise we could have taken our Cheiftains to Fermanagh in 81🤔😉👍👍🇧🇴
It sounds like a very unique vehicle but looking at that drip pan underneath, it has problems maintaining it's oil level.
The turret of the Fox was but onto the Scorpion which a new vehicle
Does the drip tray underneath need emptying and does it come as standard ?
Lol its a jag/daimler, they like to mark their territory. I know, i have a classic Xj6, with this very engine. It sounds great.
And if I bought these for my back water army, I'd have gone for Saladin vehicles. Not Fox or Vixen.
With a Scimitar turret!!!
queens own yeomanry in york had them i was army cadets there at the time 1977
Which is the most successful British Commonwealth armored car?
Very cool
For any of FOX's faults it makes JACKAL look pretty lame.
Okay, I'm confused. I have read about and spoken to a Ferret owner about the Daimler Ferret 80, which was a prototype to replace the Ferret with a 3 man crew and a 80mm chain gun. I know that it was dropped because it was too top heavy and unstable, but did this become the Fox or was the Fox a separate design?? Please don't shout, I'm only quoting The Observer's Guide to Armoured Vehicles and I would like to know.
Serous answer. Why not E mail either of the two Davids at the Tank Museum? They have an extensive library and I'm sure they would be willing to let you know.
@@thewomble1509 Thanks, I think I might do that. I seem to remember reading a magazine article about the Ferret and seeing a photo of the prototype Ferret 80.
@@MorristheMinor No worries. Quite a few decent images of ferret 89 on Google image too.👍
*80!
No Fox was part of CVR but W not T. Designed late 60s already in service I think before Ferret 80.
Probably need to do a little research and fact finding before quoting anecdotes as fact. The facts are actually held in the Museums own archives !! "Top Heavy" Nope the CofG especially when bombed up is not far off the Ferrets. The weight drifted rearwards with steel louvres, soft tyres and hard braking into corners being the contributing factors. So they did set out to solve it, the research is well documented , With changes to Tyre pressures, loading and yes driver training. Also "Fire Extinguisher" Come on Mr Fletcher, The Fox is scaled for 4 BCF extinguishers but this is not one of them. Its the Decontamination Unit. The Extinguishers are mounted on the Front, Left rear and Two inside the Hull. Disappointed Tank Museum with this History Light approach to facts.
watching this video I see something moving outside and it is a fox...
Why does it look like a Land Rover with a turret plopped on top?
Top heavy ken
I love the fox , shame they didn’t go into service.
They did,and were sxxt
They did infantry recce platoons who weren’t armoured had them, I commanded a platoon of them
Sweet
You could never fire 100 rounds a minute when loading by hand
Workshop Diaries? Anyone?
Love that series, very educational. Observing an older museum piece being torn down makes me appreciate the progress made over time to evolve our current generation equipment!
If the Vixen was designed as a recon vehicle than the two side positions should have been intended for dismount scouts.
shouldve used it for n b c recon .
couldn't not NBC proof or NBC pack
@@barrymerchant3320 dont know bazza.
David's had his once every 20 yr haircut.
queens own yeomanry york t.a regiment
The Fox may be top heavy but my gosh it's cute. Thanks to the Ukraine war we know it would've had it's niche skirmishing with BMPs.
Add a Javelin Lightweight Multiple Launcher (LML), and it’d be perfect! One of the ‘auxiliary crewmen’ positions could be used as the launch controller with a video feed from the launcher.