I have a 72 Kiev 4a and absolutely love it. I bought mine this year through a seller in Kiev and it came CLA'd. wonderful to use and feel. It gives nothing away to my Leica M3 or Kodak Retina IIC. Probably the best value for money. I also purchase the Jupiter 8, 9, 11 and 12 lenses to go with and all together they make a great small kit. The Jupiter 8,9,11 are all Zeiss Sonar designs and the 12 is biogon design - all classic and wonderfully rendering lenses for black and white photography. That 90mm rangerfinder distance comes into its own with Jupiter 11 135mm lens. great video Martin well done.
I have the exact same as his lens. Do you happen to know which mount adapter I should get for it? I have a canon t7 ..any help would be deeply appreciated.
I have a 1981 release, not the same quality as yours, I gave it for repair, now it works perfectly, but the repairman also advised to buy not later than the 70s, my lens is Helios-109 1.8/53, it draws a picture perfectly. Thanks for the review and photos! Greetings from Ukraine!
Thanks for such an enjoyable video. I've cleaned up and started to use a Kiev 4 from my wife's grandfather, made in 1968, I'm enjoying taking pictures with it so much!
I`m having the same camera(unfortunatelly temporarily) and using it is pure pleasure. Tnx for view for the world the project, that was tried to be improved by my country (and ofcourse,it`s sad that ruzzian ussr didn`t want to give a chance to make something new by other countries,at least using knowledge that depend on other cameras. UPD: they allowed only to copy projects and maybe small improvment in them)
Sir, You inspired me. I was browsing to find a KIEV-4A camera and got one with the entire series of lenses compatible with KIEV. Your information was truly useful to get the right camera. I found during the Year 1974-75, KIEV-4A is a Transition model and being exported to US and Europe market. This Timer lever differentiate the Type 2 and Type 3 and year of manufacturing. Type 4 is produced from 1976-80. I sourced my camera from US in an auction. The camera is fully CLA'D with Standard 50mm lens and 35mm lens with viewfinder. I had additional bonus of getting the diopter viewfinder which is quite rare to find. All in all, I was able to do it because your presentation and subtle detailing. My salutations to you. I love your innocence and creativity. Warm Regards
The Lens you are using here, Jupiter 50mm f2, some of the finest lenses I can think of, I have been using it on Leica , Zorki and Kiev my favourite lens and some more , like the3 french Rousel and the Paris made Darlot brass lens among others for Large format photography, but the Jupiter are stunning and also the Helios of vintage Soviet ones, mines are from about beginning of the 50"S. This is a fine camera and a truly great lens. Your video are great
I did, and I LOVE it! The focus wheel doesn't work with the 135mm. but will with the 35mm (the other lenses I own). Mounting a lens on the external bayonet covers the depth-of-field scale which, indeed, only works with the 50mm. While the lowest marked speed is 1/2 second, setting the self-timer on B gives a 1 second exposure.
Really enjoyed the video. Always wanted an M3, but after watching this I decided to get a Kiev like yours. Supposed to arrive sometime in March 2022 from the Ukraine. Your demonstration of how it works will prove helpful.
I bought one of these on Saturday after watching your video. For the price you are getting a nice all metal quirky 35mm camera that performs very well. The rangefinder patch is very clear and easy to use. The build quality is similar to other budget cameras of the time like a Voigtlander B for example. It is not up to Leica or Canon standards but nevertheless it is fine. The Jupiter lens looks and feels very nice indeed. I can recommend to anyone who wants to use a good classic rangefinder camera on a budget.
Love your appreciation of this superb old technology. I'm lucky enough to have a Kiev, pretty well like yours. I want to run a film though it, but I'm not confident of the light seals. Anyway it's a superb mechanism isn't it. Like an old Velocette!
Great camera, in general. I'm the happy owner of this Kiev, made in year 1984. Love it, it produces great shots, it is lightweight, pretty simple and robust. My go to option for any travel, walking around, etc. Thanks for your review!
I've 1955 Kiev II and I love it. I've got a slotted lens hood and got a small knob to thread into the shutter button to make shooting outside a little nice. Now to find an aluminum body Jupiter-9! Great video Martin!
Just bought one today - both serial numbers 75 but still within your recommended range. Thanks for that insight because from one point of view the older the better in terms of being close to a German Contax. But you also made the further point that these newer 70s dated cameras are likely to be in better condition. From the pictures the one I bought is in similar condition to yours and is said to be in good working order. We’ll see, but this video reassured me that a 4A is probably the best bet for using one as opposed to simply collecting one. I had a Leica lllg which disappeared and I was looking to replace it with a decent Russian copy for old times sake, but then I realised these Feds were much closer to the Contax and would be a new experience. I used the Leica a lot back in the 60s - a roll a day for an entire year in about 1965 - and recognised the downsides of the dim rangefinder the need to switch switch to the viewfinder window to frame the picture. The Nikon F was my main camera when I was a professional, and I know that Nikon also copied the Contax and you could still see the Contax influence in the Nikon. I expect I’ll agree with your assessment that the FED was much better than the Russian Leica copies! Nice video quality and nice B.&W prints. I still like shooting mono on my M4/3 cameras and a not overly nostalgic about film. Still this purchase connects up a bit history for me at a reasonable price.
I found one of '84 Kiev's when I was going through my grandads stuff, which I love to do, so much history! I got it serviced and look forward using it! thank you for such interesting and useful video
Me: I have enough film cameras, I should never buy another one Martin: Are you sure about that? Me: okay I need more. Kidding aside, while I had heard of the Contax RF cameras I had never investigated them so thank you so much for such an excellent rundown and a wonderful more budget friendly alternative to the original Contax'es. Am definitely tempted to get one! I have a Leica IIIF and it is wonderfully made so I am looking forward to seeing someday how this increased rangefinder helps with focusing (since that can be a pain for my weak eyes) and yes the Leica's, at least the one I have, are a fair bit more involved to load. You also need to trim the leader.
I have had two Kiev cameras and a Contax iia. Both Kiev's failed, with shutter problems after a few weeks and proved impossible to repair. The Contax is still working beautifully and feels and looks like it just came out of the factory - it was made in 1951. The iia (and iiia with the top mounted meter) model had some improvements over the ii's and iii's on which the Kiev's 2A's and 3A's were based. I feel the shutter on the iia/iiias is much improved, does not need anything like so much effort to wind, more reliable and much easier to service and adjust. The rangefinder width on the iia/iiia was reduced a little, but it is still wider than on the Leica M cameras and very accurate. On benefit is that you are slightly less likely to cover the rangefinder window when focusing the iia/iiia - so you don't need to do the Contax shuffle! Clearly there are some good Kiev's around, but I think it is getting hard to find good ones, and even then it's not clear how long they will last before the shutters, or other parts fail. It is very difficult to find people who can repair them. The same probably goes for the original Contax ii's and iii's since as Martin says they are basically the same camera. So after all that waffle - my recommendation would be to pass on the Kiev's, and Contax ii/iii and go for a Contax iia or iiia - they can still be found relatively cheaply and are truly beautiful cameras. Such a shame that Zeiss gave up on rangefinders, but I guess it was a limited market after the 1950's and the reflex explosion. BTW - the Russian lenses can be really good - or really bad - I've had both - it's pot luck. My recommendation would be to go for a post-war Zeiss West-German Sonnar - they were coated. Pre-war lenses are nice too - but as Martin say un-coated.
Very Nice Review. As I own a Contax II with damaged shutter, I bought a Kiew from 1956. It will arrive next week. Hope it will last longer. The Problem with all These cameras are the shutter-Straps. Contax used a Special Silk material. I don’t know what Kiew used. It is very Hard to find Specialist for Service These Shutters. The Leica is much easier in this case.
These videos are so good. Enjoying every one of your videos so far. Would love to see your dev process with pyro 510 as I’m about to order some to try in a Agfa Rodinax 35 :)
Thanks for the up-close look of the Kiev. The photos were great--- the highlight end of the spectrum beautifully managed. I'm wavering between getting a Kiev and perhaps an old TLR. This video pushes me toward the former.
What a beautiful little camera, I have never used one however I used the Zorki 4 for over a year and found the quality of prints amazing and yes the ranger finder was superb.
My Kiev 4-AM is almost everything I could ask for in a rangefinder. And the Helios-103 lens is such a gem, I'd hold it against most of my Zeiss and Voigtlander glass. As always, Martin, a very well thought out video and of great use to us.
I bought mine this week from a repairman, every shutter speed is almost perfect compared to digital canon, though I'll ask him to lubricate it later, because 1/125 exposure gets upper curtain stuck half-way and the shutter cocking knob is a workout. Can't wait to see a reliably sunny weather and shoot a roll of fomapan. Thanks for the video.
Hello Martin, Great advice. I usually go for my soviets to reliable sellers on eBay that guarantee they work, which usually adds 40-80$ extra on the price, but I know they are clean, and lubricated. Soviet lenses are wonderful and they give a unique look for a fraction of the price.
Some really nice shots there inc. the cat , the geometric patterns & silhouettes in the passageway. I don't know whether you're aware that Contaxes and Kievs do not take too kindly to being jolted or shaken when carried ( especially if the shutter is wound on) . This can lead to problens. One may be lucky in purchasing one but best try one out with the back removed like you show in this video. Check that, after firing , the lower curtain completely covers the frame so no light comes through. Repairs are as expensive as for a genuine Contax . Why? It's because , as you pointed, out the parts , screws etc. are identical.. By the way I have a 1980s one with a duff shutter that sports an f1.8 50mm lens but have no idea how common these are/were.. Really enjoy your videos.
Thank you very much for the video and all the work. Great pictures. I didn't know the thing with the year written on top of the camera. I have the same model from 1974 and is a great camera. I have it from my father. I took both black and white and colour pictures with it. It gets a bit tricky with the colour film as you have to set it with higher exposure time or with higher F number.
Good overview. I had a kiev 4a a while back which had a light leak, so I got a preconditioned Contax ii, which works well. You are right about the contax grip. I still forget sometimes and leave my finger over it. They can be finicky machines putting the lenses on but when they work, they work well. A bit or patience is just needed. May be I may get another (Conrax ii or kiev ii) as a backup in the new year. Otley looks nice and will have to take some pics there as I just live near there in harrogate.
Hi Martin, after watching your video I bought one and re-skinned it in red leather, it's a beautiful camera, only problem I have had is difficulty in zeroing after loading the film, hope you are well?? Kindest regards John Moore.
Love the review - it's inspired me to go on the 'Bay and I've ordered a Kiev 4 (with the built-in meter) which has allegedly ben fully tested. Looking forward to getting out with it round Settle - my home town.
13:21 Also to mention that the lenses mounting to the exterior bayonett can not be focused by the knob at the top of the camera but directly on the lens. These days you have the choice between 3 lenses going to the interior bayonett: the Jupiter-8M, the here shown Jupiter-8M 50/2 (the difference is the M has added click stops) and the much newer Helios-103 53mm f:1.8. What the russians did, they added a second apperture scale to these lenses, so you always see one of them from above and dont have to turn the camera like you have to do on the original Contax.
Well, you made me wonder why I have loaded film in my 1972 Kiev 4 with the built in light-meter and not used it lately. It has a Jupiter 8m (improved) lens. The first one I had was an auction purchase with a shutter curtain that did not travel at a uniform speed - pictures were underexposed on the upper half of each frame. My current Kiev was bought from an established servicer - that seems to be the key with Kievs, Feds, and Zorkis. Have them serviced and reap the rewards.
Loved your pictures 👍, I'm originally from the Ukraine and even though they kinda took the technology from Germany (like you mentioned) it's nice to see that they did a quality job reproducing this camera. Never heard about this camera before, so thank you for such a well informative video, liked and subscribed.
Thanks very much Martin. I've just loaded my 'new to me' 1960 model, Kiev 4A fresh from the Ukraine with Fomapan 100 and am about to go out this coming weekend to enjoy it. Your video was very well put together. Thank you once again. Now subscribing!
Let's be clear. It is the Contax II, as in two capitol eyes, as in the Roman numeral for 2. It is not the 11th iteration of the camera as the title suggests.
8:09 to use the correct technical names: The Leica also had a coupled RF. Coupled to the lens, that is what we understand when talking about a coupled rangefinder. What the Contax had was a conbined range- and viewfinder.
Thank You for your video, as I have 5 of these babies mostly the Kiev 4m models as in which also have the 35mm, and the 85mm for these models. As I really was impressed with the optics, as the 50mm Jupiter that I found sharper like the Sonnar 50mm 2.0, I found these models better for Black & White shooting very contrasty. The models with a meter - hey what can you say of the Old Selenium model metering that my models the meter works, as the exposure is close to normal. I do not mine with the wind mode, it is the rewind mode can be slow, and also have the external finders for the 35mm, and 85mm. Shooting Color found it kinda Soft, and muted colors. And in closing that I also have the Kiev 5 as I do use the onboard meter, and the 35mm, and 85mm without having problem in mounting them. As I do have a Fed 2, and had the Leningrad but they fell apart, Never again I rather use the Kiev or Contax and the Fed 2, Now question, Was the Fed 2 Copy of the never produce Leica IV Model?. And id I love the Kiev's well I started using my Dad's Contax IIa model in High school, really love it, then switch to SLR, but later in the late nineties I seen the Kiev's online, so I purchase them, and then really using them more, as I also got the Canon 7, and Canon Vt, and a vintage Yashice YF which it looks like a M3. Now why I decided first of the Kiev, I love the feel of the camera, and it was like when I was using my Dad's Contax IIa.
Your photos look really great! Makes me want to look into the Jupiter line of lenses. I had the zeiss 50 1.5 but the mounting piece snapped off after a tragic fall.
Just love your videos. Informative. Nice shots. -Payday? I am getting a 4A. Thanks a lot and may you have a very pleasent day, Sir. Regards from Denmark.
Great and interesting video, Martin. I have a 1956 Kiev II, with both the Jupiter 8 and a 35mm Jupiter 11, along with the turret finder. I've only shot a couple rolls through it, so I'm still getting used to that grip. The 35mm is very nice as well, but it's very fiddly to mount. I've also found that it's easier to get the back on if you start closer to the top of the camera rather than toward the bottom. I think you can release the infinity lock also by moving the little metal tip near the corner of the viewfinder window. I also have a Leica IIIf as well as a Canon IVSB. I much prefer the single window of the Canon and the Kiev to the double window system of the Barnack Leicas. Funny thing, though, I used to own a Nikon S3, which is a Contax copy of sorts, but I never got on with it. Cheers.
The metal tip is awkward to push up and focus etc, one thing I forgot to show is how you can make a tiny plastic wedge when fitted to keep the tip open, however , you have to allow it to close by removing the wedge to change lens, it does work, try it, thanks for your thoughts
That was a very interesting presentation, and I enjoyed looking at your pictures. I have had a lot of fun with mine despite a few mishaps (Intractable light leaks). I have found here in the US that using one in a busy place tends to invite conversation.
I can remember back in the late 1970s when the Kiev 4 (with external light meter) and Kiev 4A (no light meter) cameras were available new in their boxes for around £19.00 in a shop in Turnham Green Terrace. If only I knew then what I know now I would have bought a few. I seem to recall that in some respects the Kiev was a better camera than the Contax that it was copied from because it had a more durable all metal shutter where one of the components of the Contax shutter was silk thread which had a limited lifespan.
Ow do Martin. I just came across your videos - damn good. I have both a Leica M2 from 1956 with lenses from 35mm to 135mm, and I have a Kiev 4AM from 1983 with a Helios-103 (uncoated 53mm f1.8). The Kiev is a nice bit of kit and goes on moorland walks quite often. It differs from your model in a number of details: the rewind clutch is operated by turning the right hand base lock by about 45 degrees, the rewind knob is smaller and the shutter speed dial is slightly larger with speeds = B, 2, 5, 10, 25, 50, 125, 250. 500 & 1000. It's produced some excellent results and continues to perform well. Tek care.
Actually, there is a body mounted infinity lock Martin, it's the little button just to the left of the PC synch socket, when you look at it lens facing you, pull that up towards the top of the camera and that also releases the lock. I have quite a substantial collection of these old Russian rangefinder cameras and this Contax copy, along with the Zorki 4K, are some of the best rangefinder cameras out there, for the money. ETA. I see in the comments below that someone else has also pointed this out. I personally, don't find it awkward to use, in fact I use both, the top mounted catch when hand holding and the face mounted one when working on a tripod (which is, I think, the original intended use of that button)
Thanks, I find that button near lens fiddly, what I have tried and it works is wedge that button in the open position, only prob is when or if you change lens the wedge needs removing,
I picked one up a few years ago also. Mine has the light meter, what a solid camera. I wish this video was available then, I had never used the Contax mount ,well done. Every so often I think I'm getting a light leak. I cannot tell if there was every any wool or other material used in the slot the back slips into?
There is a corded light seal on the camera were the top of the removable back fits , that might have deteriated, it pulls out easy and easy to fix fresh seal there, thanks
For a really simple solution to eliminate potential light leaks, buy some Tessa Tape. It's a black cloth tape designed to wrap around the wiring looms on old cars. It's very pliable and moulds easily to the contours of a camera body. It's also low tack and doesn't harm the surface or leave any residue. It's cheap to buy online, and a roll will cover dozens of cameras. I simply replace the tape each time I put another film in the camera. The cloth texture even provides a nice grip.
@@mrstandfast2212 (Kiev 4M) Great tip, when I got mine it had light leaks, replaced all the seals with camera foam, still a tiny leak sometimes onto the sprocket strip only at the bottom. Masking tape leaves a hard to remove residue. Merry Christmas to all from New Zealand.
These are lovely cameras indeed, and the early models were of good build quality. The optics are great classic designs too. I had one (I gave it away) and I always liked it. You made some superb images with it!
The problem is...like my Kiev 4M, which shutter worked for a week, I survived because it and It's lens and case was 50 bucks. (A 1961 model). I can still adapt the lens to digital. (Yeah, we'll see when the adapter arrives)The same thing can happen with a Contax version, but you've spent a lot more money. And yes, I always advanced the winder before changing speeds. I did learn something from this. The bulb setting. I'll go see if my camera accidentally got set on it. That is, if my 4M has it...
I use a Zorki 4k with the Jupiter 8 50mm F2 lens. Great pictures. I hated the way the focus locked at infinity on the Kiev 4a that I had. I sold it. I think it was over engineered in typical German fashion. I much prefer the Zorki 4k, lever wind and a eyesight correction lever.
Thank you so much for these videos. I have the exact same contax/Kiev lens, . Do you happen to know what the name Of the adapter is that I can use? I have a canon t7 and haven’t been able to understand what adapter to search for. Hope to hear from you thanks in advance.
Excellent video! I have a Kiev 4 camera with the tall light meter box on top. Have you tried the Helios 103 lens ? On my first attempt with this camera I forgot to keep the re-wind button down + tore a section of the film! Most images were saved, however a valuable lesson learned! The results from the camera with the superb Jupiter 8m lens were outstanding! Thanks for you insight into this wonderful camera. Derek
As usual I enjoyed you detailed description of this camera and your photography, thanks! I have a 1984 black 4AM model I picked up from a reputable eBay seller in Ukraine - months before the brutal Russian attack. I have enjoyed the camera but for the frame counter being useless. If I accidentally bump the small portion that sticks out the back, while carrying or using the camera, it moves to another number. Nothing holds it in place. Just wondering if this is a problem with my camera only or if you have seen it yourself. I do miss going thru the Ukraine sellers ebay site, this was my third camera from him and all were in great condition but for this one problem. I hope life is as good as it can be for him given the situation.
The price has gone up now after your review!! It reminds me of the Nikon s2 which I have. The viewfinder on that camera is the biggest and brightest I've seen on a rangefinder. The camera has the same annoying infinity stop button. It would be cool to compare the Nikon s2 to the Kiev. After buying a 5x7 linhof I better not buy anymore cameras just yet! I'm averaging a CLA per day on some old Zeiss ikon folders and they are coming up beautifully. I will be selling some after I film test them. Once again an enjoyable video. Keep them coming. The only thing sane in this clown planet world.
Thanks Martin I enjoyed your video. Back in the 80’s I was a member of a camera club and processing and printing black and white from my Practica 200. One of the things the club instilled in us was that our prints should be mounted on black because white would degrade the white in the print. Looking at your prints and everyone I see on the internet they are all on white. I can’t see a problem but those lessons still niggle in my mind so what’s your take on this please?
If the complete background on the video was white your eyes cannot detect shadow detail in the picture that well, that's why I like to use a dark brown textured backdrop, I don't think the border around the pictures has any real effect, thanks
Great video Martin, keep em coming,also a pleasure to watch the kiev 4a is my new Christmas present to myself, really impressed with it ,great photos still have the pyro 510 to use, look forwards to it all the best, and merry Christmas and best wishes, Scott
Thank you for very informative video! I'm from Russia, Saint Petersburg and recently bought one for $20, the only downside that self-timer doesn't work. I wanna buy one or two more bodies just in case, but it's hard to find working one, unfortunately. And it turned out that it's even harder to find a repairman for such cameras. There was like one or two guys with 50 years of experience, first doesn't pick up the phone (he don't even have mobile phone), but there's a high chance that the second guy is still operating. There's also one more master, but I don't want to use his services due to the political reasons (he's a tankie, pro USSR, and his social media page is full of reposts with praising of war criminals). Sadly, that's all I was able to find in entire city so far.
Seriously Martin, I thought I had this G.A.S under control, I now find myself lusting and wanting again. With regards to vintage cameras that have unconventional shutter speeds, I have a Zeiss Contessa 35 with such speeds and It’s tricky to match the meter readings from my modern light meter Can you please offer some advice, perhaps for another video topic . As always, beautiful images.
I have a 72 Kiev 4a and absolutely love it. I bought mine this year through a seller in Kiev and it came CLA'd. wonderful to use and feel. It gives nothing away to my Leica M3 or Kodak Retina IIC. Probably the best value for money. I also purchase the Jupiter 8, 9, 11 and 12 lenses to go with and all together they make a great small kit. The Jupiter 8,9,11 are all Zeiss Sonar designs and the 12 is biogon design - all classic and wonderfully rendering lenses for black and white photography. That 90mm rangerfinder distance comes into its own with Jupiter 11 135mm lens. great video Martin well done.
Thank you, I view you as a Mentor. I have a Kiev 4 AM coming, 1971, and I’m excited to use it.
I have a Kiev 4A from 1958 and it is a great camera. It's built so well.
I have the exact same as his lens. Do you happen to know which mount adapter I should get for it? I have a canon t7 ..any help would be deeply appreciated.
Hello from New York, Martin you have inspired me to try a Kiev 4a as well as 510 Pyro, your a fantastic person. :)
Thank you
I have a 1981 release, not the same quality as yours, I gave it for repair, now it works perfectly, but the repairman also advised to buy not later than the 70s, my lens is Helios-109 1.8/53, it draws a picture perfectly. Thanks for the review and photos! Greetings from Ukraine!
Thanks for the review! After obsessing about Soviet rangefinders, I've decided to pick one of these up. All the best.
Thanks for such an enjoyable video. I've cleaned up and started to use a Kiev 4 from my wife's grandfather, made in 1968, I'm enjoying taking pictures with it so much!
I`m having the same camera(unfortunatelly temporarily) and using it is pure pleasure. Tnx for view for the world the project, that was tried to be improved by my country (and ofcourse,it`s sad that ruzzian ussr didn`t want to give a chance to make something new by other countries,at least using knowledge that depend on other cameras. UPD: they allowed only to copy projects and maybe small improvment in them)
Sir, You inspired me. I was browsing to find a KIEV-4A camera and got one with the entire series of lenses compatible with KIEV. Your information was truly useful to get the right camera. I found during the Year 1974-75, KIEV-4A is a Transition model and being exported to US and Europe market. This Timer lever differentiate the Type 2 and Type 3 and year of manufacturing. Type 4 is produced from 1976-80. I sourced my camera from US in an auction. The camera is fully CLA'D with Standard 50mm lens and 35mm lens with viewfinder. I had additional bonus of getting the diopter viewfinder which is quite rare to find. All in all, I was able to do it because your presentation and subtle detailing. My salutations to you. I love your innocence and creativity. Warm Regards
Thank you, enjoy your new camera 📷
Great breakdown and lovely photos.
I love my Kiev, it consistently makes great photos and is the best rangefinder I've used so far.
The Lens you are using here, Jupiter 50mm f2, some of the finest lenses I can think of, I have been using it on Leica , Zorki and Kiev my favourite lens and some more , like the3 french Rousel and the Paris made Darlot brass lens among others for Large format photography, but the Jupiter are stunning and also the Helios of vintage Soviet ones, mines are from about beginning of the 50"S. This is a fine camera and a truly great lens. Your video are great
Great video. I don’t own one of these but I’m looking to buy one.
A great camera that inspires you to use it more and more, thanks
I did, and I LOVE it!
The focus wheel doesn't work with the 135mm. but will with the 35mm (the other lenses I own). Mounting a lens on the external bayonet covers the depth-of-field scale which, indeed, only works with the 50mm.
While the lowest marked speed is 1/2 second, setting the self-timer on B gives a 1 second exposure.
OMG thank you! I'd have never figured that out about the self timer. I do a lot of low light photography.
Really enjoyed the video. Always wanted an M3, but after watching this I decided to get a Kiev like yours. Supposed to arrive sometime in March 2022 from the Ukraine. Your demonstration of how it works will prove helpful.
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My recently passed away grandfather left me one of these. Now venturing to revive it and maybe start a new relationship...
Nice examplery pics.
I bought one of these on Saturday after watching your video. For the price you are getting a nice all metal quirky 35mm camera that performs very well. The rangefinder patch is very clear and easy to use. The build quality is similar to other budget cameras of the time like a Voigtlander B for example. It is not up to Leica or Canon standards but nevertheless it is fine. The Jupiter lens looks and feels very nice indeed. I can recommend to anyone who wants to use a good classic rangefinder camera on a budget.
Very good review. I have a 4a from 1980 that has been extremely reliable and takes super sharp images.
Love your appreciation of this superb old technology.
I'm lucky enough to have a Kiev, pretty well like yours. I want to run a film though it, but I'm not confident of the light seals. Anyway it's a superb mechanism isn't it.
Like an old Velocette!
Great camera, in general. I'm the happy owner of this Kiev, made in year 1984. Love it, it produces great shots, it is lightweight, pretty simple and robust. My go to option for any travel, walking around, etc.
Thanks for your review!
I've 1955 Kiev II and I love it. I've got a slotted lens hood and got a small knob to thread into the shutter button to make shooting outside a little nice. Now to find an aluminum body Jupiter-9! Great video Martin!
Thank you Martin. You are a Master.
Outstanding overview, and I like your results...you have a good eye.
Just bought one today - both serial numbers 75 but still within your recommended range. Thanks for that insight because from one point of view the older the better in terms of being close to a German Contax. But you also made the further point that these newer 70s dated cameras are likely to be in better condition. From the pictures the one I bought is in similar condition to yours and is said to be in good working order. We’ll see, but this video reassured me that a 4A is probably the best bet for using one as opposed to simply collecting one. I had a Leica lllg which disappeared and I was looking to replace it with a decent Russian copy for old times sake, but then I realised these Feds were much closer to the Contax and would be a new experience. I used the Leica a lot back in the 60s - a roll a day for an entire year in about 1965 - and recognised the downsides of the dim rangefinder the need to switch switch to the viewfinder window to frame the picture. The Nikon F was my main camera when I was a professional, and I know that Nikon also copied the Contax and you could still see the Contax influence in the Nikon. I expect I’ll agree with your assessment that the FED was much better than the Russian Leica copies! Nice video quality and nice B.&W prints. I still like shooting mono on my M4/3 cameras and a not overly nostalgic about film. Still this purchase connects up a bit history for me at a reasonable price.
Bravo maestro! Gracias por compartir tus conocimientos! Un abrazo desde España!
I found one of '84 Kiev's when I was going through my grandads stuff, which I love to do, so much history! I got it serviced and look forward using it! thank you for such interesting and useful video
Me: I have enough film cameras, I should never buy another one
Martin: Are you sure about that?
Me: okay I need more.
Kidding aside, while I had heard of the Contax RF cameras I had never investigated them so thank you so much for such an excellent rundown and a wonderful more budget friendly alternative to the original Contax'es. Am definitely tempted to get one!
I have a Leica IIIF and it is wonderfully made so I am looking forward to seeing someday how this increased rangefinder helps with focusing (since that can be a pain for my weak eyes) and yes the Leica's, at least the one I have, are a fair bit more involved to load. You also need to trim the leader.
I own a Contax ii, it is a great camera
I have had two Kiev cameras and a Contax iia. Both Kiev's failed, with shutter problems after a few weeks and proved impossible to repair. The Contax is still working beautifully and feels and looks like it just came out of the factory - it was made in 1951.
The iia (and iiia with the top mounted meter) model had some improvements over the ii's and iii's on which the Kiev's 2A's and 3A's were based. I feel the shutter on the iia/iiias is much improved, does not need anything like so much effort to wind, more reliable and much easier to service and adjust.
The rangefinder width on the iia/iiia was reduced a little, but it is still wider than on the Leica M cameras and very accurate. On benefit is that you are slightly less likely to cover the rangefinder window when focusing the iia/iiia - so you don't need to do the Contax shuffle!
Clearly there are some good Kiev's around, but I think it is getting hard to find good ones, and even then it's not clear how long they will last before the shutters, or other parts fail. It is very difficult to find people who can repair them. The same probably goes for the original Contax ii's and iii's since as Martin says they are basically the same camera.
So after all that waffle - my recommendation would be to pass on the Kiev's, and Contax ii/iii and go for a Contax iia or iiia - they can still be found relatively cheaply and are truly beautiful cameras. Such a shame that Zeiss gave up on rangefinders, but I guess it was a limited market after the 1950's and the reflex explosion.
BTW - the Russian lenses can be really good - or really bad - I've had both - it's pot luck. My recommendation would be to go for a post-war Zeiss West-German Sonnar - they were coated. Pre-war lenses are nice too - but as Martin say un-coated.
I love these cameras!! I have one that dates from 1955 and that Jupiter lens is awesome! Thank you....
Very Nice Review. As I own a Contax II with damaged shutter, I bought a Kiew from 1956. It will arrive next week. Hope it will last longer. The Problem with all These cameras are the shutter-Straps. Contax used a Special Silk material. I don’t know what Kiew used. It is very Hard to find Specialist for Service These Shutters. The Leica is much easier in this case.
These videos are so good. Enjoying every one of your videos so far. Would love to see your dev process with pyro 510 as I’m about to order some to try in a Agfa Rodinax 35 :)
I will show how to use it in another video, thanks
Thanks for the up-close look of the Kiev. The photos were great--- the highlight end of the spectrum beautifully managed. I'm wavering between getting a Kiev and perhaps an old TLR. This video pushes me toward the former.
What a beautiful little camera, I have never used one however I used the Zorki 4 for over a year and found the quality of prints amazing and yes the ranger finder was superb.
You did a fine job of explaining, thank you..the pictures were great…be well, do more!!!
The first Leica to have a shutter speed of 1,000th part of a second was introduced in the mid 30s, that being the Leica IIIa.
Just ordered one so I will be watching this video a few more times when it does arrive. Thanks
My Kiev 4-AM is almost everything I could ask for in a rangefinder. And the Helios-103 lens is such a gem, I'd hold it against most of my Zeiss and Voigtlander glass.
As always, Martin, a very well thought out video and of great use to us.
I bought mine this week from a repairman, every shutter speed is almost perfect compared to digital canon, though I'll ask him to lubricate it later, because 1/125 exposure gets upper curtain stuck half-way and the shutter cocking knob is a workout. Can't wait to see a reliably sunny weather and shoot a roll of fomapan. Thanks for the video.
Hello Martin,
Great advice.
I usually go for my soviets to reliable sellers on eBay that guarantee they work, which usually adds 40-80$ extra on the price, but I know they are clean, and lubricated. Soviet lenses are wonderful and they give a unique look for a fraction of the price.
Some really nice shots there inc. the cat , the geometric patterns & silhouettes in the passageway. I don't know whether you're aware that Contaxes and Kievs do not take too kindly to being jolted or shaken when carried ( especially if the shutter is wound on) . This can lead to problens. One may be lucky in purchasing one but best try one out with the back removed like you show in this video. Check that, after firing , the lower curtain completely covers the frame so no light comes through. Repairs are as expensive as for a genuine Contax . Why? It's because , as you pointed, out the parts , screws etc. are identical.. By the way I have a 1980s one with a duff shutter that sports an f1.8 50mm lens but have no idea how common these are/were.. Really enjoy your videos.
And such beautiful unpretentious shots at the end. Cheers Martin.
What can you get out of this when a master in his field uses an old tool? Wonderful results. Thank you Martin for sharing.
Andreas
Thank you Martin, important details in reviewing the Camera.
Thank you very much for the video and all the work. Great pictures. I didn't know the thing with the year written on top of the camera. I have the same model from 1974 and is a great camera. I have it from my father. I took both black and white and colour pictures with it. It gets a bit tricky with the colour film as you have to set it with higher exposure time or with higher F number.
Great video! I have a 1950 Kiev II with a Zorki ZK f2/50mm lens. It takes wonderful photos.
Good overview. I had a kiev 4a a while back which had a light leak, so I got a preconditioned Contax ii, which works well. You are right about the contax grip. I still forget sometimes and leave my finger over it. They can be finicky machines putting the lenses on but when they work, they work well. A bit or patience is just needed. May be I may get another (Conrax ii or kiev ii) as a backup in the new year. Otley looks nice and will have to take some pics there as I just live near there in harrogate.
I enjoy using it they are very nice to use, once, you get used to the focusing , thanks
Thanks so much for the info and great shots at the end. Like the light meter on top at the end as well. Suits it.
The meter is great, its a Voigtlander VC 11, thanks
Hi Martin, after watching your video I bought one and re-skinned it in red leather, it's a beautiful camera, only problem I have had is difficulty in zeroing after loading the film, hope you are well?? Kindest regards John Moore.
Really great video as usual! I was struggling to find out how to rewind the film and you showed all the info. Thank you!! Keep up the good work x
Love the review - it's inspired me to go on the 'Bay and I've ordered a Kiev 4 (with the built-in meter) which has allegedly ben fully tested. Looking forward to getting out with it round Settle - my home town.
Settle in the Dales, beautiful area
13:21 Also to mention that the lenses mounting to the exterior bayonett can not be focused by the knob at the top of the camera but directly on the lens.
These days you have the choice between 3 lenses going to the interior bayonett: the Jupiter-8M, the here shown Jupiter-8M 50/2 (the difference is the M has added click stops) and the much newer Helios-103 53mm f:1.8. What the russians did, they added a second apperture scale to these lenses, so you always see one of them from above and dont have to turn the camera like you have to do on the original Contax.
Well, you made me wonder why I have loaded film in my 1972 Kiev 4 with the built in light-meter and not used it lately. It has a Jupiter 8m (improved) lens. The first one I had was an auction purchase with a shutter curtain that did not travel at a uniform speed - pictures were underexposed on the upper half of each frame. My current Kiev was bought from an established servicer - that seems to be the key with Kievs, Feds, and Zorkis. Have them serviced and reap the rewards.
Have one with Helios. It's fabulous 😜
Loved your pictures 👍, I'm originally from the Ukraine and even though they kinda took the technology from Germany (like you mentioned) it's nice to see that they did a quality job reproducing this camera. Never heard about this camera before, so thank you for such a well informative video, liked and subscribed.
Love the Zorki 1
Thanks very much Martin. I've just loaded my 'new to me' 1960 model, Kiev 4A fresh from the Ukraine with Fomapan 100 and am about to go out this coming weekend to enjoy it. Your video was very well put together. Thank you once again. Now subscribing!
Thank you, enjoy your camera
You're an excellent photographer. I enjoy your photos
Thank you for this video I have been considering the zorki, Kiev and fed cameras, this is very helpful.
Glad to see you back! Love your videos Martin. Wonderful shots and equally great perspective!
Thank you
Excellent, great photos as usual. Thanks Martin.
Best tutorial ever
Great video. I love the snapshots. Thank you for your time and knowledge.
Lovely images at the end of the video!
Might get my hands one tommorow, thanks for this insightfull review
Thx for a imformative video what mount is that called a contax diff from contax yashica mount ? Subscribed
Contax rangefinder mount , yes it’s unique the the contax 11 and 3 only
@@martinhensonphotography thx thought so did you do a review off zorky 4
Let's be clear. It is the Contax II, as in two capitol eyes, as in the Roman numeral for 2. It is not the 11th iteration of the camera as the title suggests.
8:09 to use the correct technical names: The Leica also had a coupled RF. Coupled to the lens, that is what we understand when talking about a coupled rangefinder. What the Contax had was a conbined range- and viewfinder.
Does the Contax measure the distance when rotating the lens or is it different to the Leica and measures in another way, thanks for bringing this up
Thank You for your video, as I have 5 of these babies mostly the Kiev 4m models as in which also have the 35mm, and the 85mm for these models. As I really was impressed with the optics, as the 50mm Jupiter that I found sharper like the Sonnar 50mm 2.0, I found these models better for Black & White shooting very contrasty. The models with a meter - hey what can you say of the Old Selenium model metering that my models the meter works, as the exposure is close to normal. I do not mine with the wind mode, it is the rewind mode can be slow, and also have the external finders for the 35mm, and 85mm. Shooting Color found it kinda Soft, and muted colors. And in closing that I also have the Kiev 5 as I do use the onboard meter, and the 35mm, and 85mm without having problem in mounting them. As I do have a Fed 2, and had the Leningrad but they fell apart, Never again I rather use the Kiev or Contax and the Fed 2, Now question, Was the Fed 2 Copy of the never produce Leica IV Model?. And id I love the Kiev's well I started using my Dad's Contax IIa model in High school, really love it, then switch to SLR, but later in the late nineties I seen the Kiev's online, so I purchase them, and then really using them more, as I also got the Canon 7, and Canon Vt, and a vintage Yashice YF which it looks like a M3. Now why I decided first of the Kiev, I love the feel of the camera, and it was like when I was using my Dad's Contax IIa.
The pictures you took were awesome! I have a Kiev 4, Contax II and IIa. thanks
Another wonderful camera and photos to go along with it! Nice job all around on this one!
Great video. Good information. I see you like verticals. Thanks!
Lovely video again. Interesting looking camera and beautiful photos. 🏴👍
Your photos look really great! Makes me want to look into the Jupiter line of lenses. I had the zeiss 50 1.5 but the mounting piece snapped off after a tragic fall.
Just love your videos. Informative. Nice shots. -Payday? I am getting a 4A.
Thanks a lot and may you have a very pleasent day, Sir.
Regards from Denmark.
Great and interesting video, Martin. I have a 1956 Kiev II, with both the Jupiter 8 and a 35mm Jupiter 11, along with the turret finder. I've only shot a couple rolls through it, so I'm still getting used to that grip. The 35mm is very nice as well, but it's very fiddly to mount. I've also found that it's easier to get the back on if you start closer to the top of the camera rather than toward the bottom. I think you can release the infinity lock also by moving the little metal tip near the corner of the viewfinder window. I also have a Leica IIIf as well as a Canon IVSB. I much prefer the single window of the Canon and the Kiev to the double window system of the Barnack Leicas. Funny thing, though, I used to own a Nikon S3, which is a Contax copy of sorts, but I never got on with it. Cheers.
The metal tip is awkward to push up and focus etc, one thing I forgot to show is how you can make a tiny plastic wedge when fitted to keep the tip open, however , you have to allow it to close by removing the wedge to change lens, it does work, try it, thanks for your thoughts
Makes me want to use mine more.
That was a very interesting presentation, and I enjoyed looking at your pictures. I have had a lot of fun with mine despite a few mishaps (Intractable light leaks). I have found here in the US that using one in a busy place tends to invite conversation.
I can remember back in the late 1970s when the Kiev 4 (with external light meter) and Kiev 4A (no light meter) cameras were available new in their boxes for around £19.00 in a shop in Turnham Green Terrace. If only I knew then what I know now I would have bought a few. I seem to recall that in some respects the Kiev was a better camera than the Contax that it was copied from because it had a more durable all metal shutter where one of the components of the Contax shutter was silk thread which had a limited lifespan.
Ow do Martin. I just came across your videos - damn good. I have both a Leica M2 from 1956 with lenses from 35mm to 135mm, and I have a Kiev 4AM from 1983 with a Helios-103 (uncoated 53mm f1.8). The Kiev is a nice bit of kit and goes on moorland walks quite often. It differs from your model in a number of details: the rewind clutch is operated by turning the right hand base lock by about 45 degrees, the rewind knob is smaller and the shutter speed dial is slightly larger with speeds = B, 2, 5, 10, 25, 50, 125, 250. 500 & 1000. It's produced some excellent results and continues to perform well.
Tek care.
Great job showing the camera!!!📷
Actually, there is a body mounted infinity lock Martin, it's the little button just to the left of the PC synch socket, when you look at it lens facing you, pull that up towards the top of the camera and that also releases the lock.
I have quite a substantial collection of these old Russian rangefinder cameras and this Contax copy, along with the Zorki 4K, are some of the best rangefinder cameras out there, for the money.
ETA. I see in the comments below that someone else has also pointed this out. I personally, don't find it awkward to use, in fact I use both, the top mounted catch when hand holding and the face mounted one when working on a tripod (which is, I think, the original intended use of that button)
Thanks, I find that button near lens fiddly, what I have tried and it works is wedge that button in the open position, only prob is when or if you change lens the wedge needs removing,
love the video, love the pictures. Thanks
I picked one up a few years ago also. Mine has the light meter, what a solid camera. I wish this video was available then, I had never used the Contax mount ,well done. Every so often I think I'm getting a light leak. I cannot tell if there was every any wool or other material used in the slot the back slips into?
There is a corded light seal on the camera were the top of the removable back fits , that might have deteriated, it pulls out easy and easy to fix fresh seal there, thanks
For a really simple solution to eliminate potential light leaks, buy some Tessa Tape. It's a black cloth tape designed to wrap around the wiring looms on old cars. It's very pliable and moulds easily to the contours of a camera body. It's also low tack and doesn't harm the surface or leave any residue. It's cheap to buy online, and a roll will cover dozens of cameras. I simply replace the tape each time I put another film in the camera. The cloth texture even provides a nice grip.
@@mrstandfast2212 (Kiev 4M) Great tip, when I got mine it had light leaks, replaced all the seals with camera foam, still a tiny leak sometimes onto the sprocket strip only at the bottom. Masking tape leaves a hard to remove residue. Merry Christmas to all from New Zealand.
These are lovely cameras indeed, and the early models were of good build quality. The optics are great classic designs too. I had one (I gave it away) and I always liked it. You made some superb images with it!
The problem is...like my Kiev 4M, which shutter worked for a week, I survived because it and It's lens and case was 50 bucks. (A 1961 model). I can still adapt the lens to digital. (Yeah, we'll see when the adapter arrives)The same thing can happen with a Contax version, but you've spent a lot more money. And yes, I always advanced the winder before changing speeds. I did learn something from this. The bulb setting. I'll go see if my camera accidentally got set on it. That is, if my 4M has it...
I use a Zorki 4k with the Jupiter 8 50mm F2 lens. Great pictures.
I hated the way the focus locked at infinity on the Kiev 4a that I had. I sold it. I think it was over engineered in typical German fashion.
I much prefer the Zorki 4k, lever wind and a eyesight correction lever.
Thank you so much for these videos. I have the exact same contax/Kiev lens,
. Do you happen to know what the name
Of the adapter is that I can use? I have a canon t7 and haven’t been able to understand what adapter to search for. Hope to hear from you thanks in advance.
Excellent video!
I have a Kiev 4 camera with the tall light meter box on top.
Have you tried the Helios 103 lens ?
On my first attempt with this camera I forgot to keep the re-wind button down + tore a section of the film!
Most images were saved, however a valuable lesson learned!
The results from the camera with the superb Jupiter 8m lens were outstanding!
Thanks for you insight into this wonderful camera.
Derek
Thanks, no I have not tried that lens yet
Very enjoyable film. Thanks. Can you tell what is the name of the light meter you attach to the top of the Kiev please.
It’s a Voigtlander VC 2 meter, thanks
Thanks for the video, working out which version to get. Have you done a review of the light meter, in the video?
Great video Martin, thank you!
As usual I enjoyed you detailed description of this camera and your photography, thanks! I have a 1984 black 4AM model I picked up from a reputable eBay seller in Ukraine - months before the brutal Russian attack. I have enjoyed the camera but for the frame counter being useless. If I accidentally bump the small portion that sticks out the back, while carrying or using the camera, it moves to another number. Nothing holds it in place. Just wondering if this is a problem with my camera only or if you have seen it yourself. I do miss going thru the Ukraine sellers ebay site, this was my third camera from him and all were in great condition but for this one problem. I hope life is as good as it can be for him given the situation.
Great video!! Thank you!!
Hi, I just received one. The take up spool freely falls out when I open the camera. Is it supposed to stay engaged?
Great review. Thanks for sharing
The price has gone up now after your review!! It reminds me of the Nikon s2 which I have. The viewfinder on that camera is the biggest and brightest I've seen on a rangefinder. The camera has the same annoying infinity stop button. It would be cool to compare the Nikon s2 to the Kiev. After buying a 5x7 linhof I better not buy anymore cameras just yet! I'm averaging a CLA per day on some old Zeiss ikon folders and they are coming up beautifully. I will be selling some after I film test them. Once again an enjoyable video. Keep them coming. The only thing sane in this clown planet world.
Thanks, let me know what your selling, I love old folding cameras
Thanks Martin I enjoyed your video. Back in the 80’s I was a member of a camera club and processing and printing black and white from my Practica 200. One of the things the club instilled in us was that our prints should be mounted on black because white would degrade the white in the print. Looking at your prints and everyone I see on the internet they are all on white. I can’t see a problem but those lessons still niggle in my mind so what’s your take on this please?
If the complete background on the video was white your eyes cannot detect shadow detail in the picture that well, that's why I like to use a dark brown textured backdrop, I don't think the border around the pictures has any real effect, thanks
@@martinhensonphotography How do you get the border? I’m assuming you’re using a Photoshop action.
Great video Martin, keep em coming,also a pleasure to watch the kiev 4a is my new Christmas present to myself, really impressed with it ,great photos still have the pyro 510 to use, look forwards to it all the best, and merry Christmas and best wishes, Scott
Thank you for very informative video! I'm from Russia, Saint Petersburg and recently bought one for $20, the only downside that self-timer doesn't work. I wanna buy one or two more bodies just in case, but it's hard to find working one, unfortunately. And it turned out that it's even harder to find a repairman for such cameras. There was like one or two guys with 50 years of experience, first doesn't pick up the phone (he don't even have mobile phone), but there's a high chance that the second guy is still operating. There's also one more master, but I don't want to use his services due to the political reasons (he's a tankie, pro USSR, and his social media page is full of reposts with praising of war criminals). Sadly, that's all I was able to find in entire city so far.
Seriously Martin, I thought I had this G.A.S under control, I now find myself lusting and wanting again.
With regards to vintage cameras that have unconventional shutter speeds, I have a Zeiss Contessa 35 with such speeds and It’s tricky to match the meter readings from my modern light meter
Can you please offer some advice, perhaps for another video topic .
As always, beautiful images.