The problem with brands like TCL and Hisense is the same models in different parts of the world have different chipsets, stripped back features and different operating systems. Once this is fixed they will get closer to the big 3 brands.
While I agree with you, I've had some extremely good Hisense TVs (UK), my last Hisense 65" was far better than the 77" LG I have now. Will change TV again later this year, waiting for all the 2022 reviews to be done
Agreed, the Hisense U8G in South Africa is apparently MUCH weaker than the one in the US. It's unfortunate because tech savvy people will watch/read reviews from US/UK based reviewers and think that they are getting the same product, only to get a MUCH inferior one!
@@margenov Would be enough for most people if they wouldn‘t have the eARC port on one of the two full bandwidth ports which is almost always the case. You either need an AV receiver or soundbar that can pass 2.1 bandwidth or a very expensive splitter but all that also means no different picture settings for the different devices. 4x full bandwidth is very clearly the only worthwhile solution for anyone interested in gaming on more than just a very casual level with one console.
From my perspective I have never see Vincent actually test TCL side by side with Sony and Others. This has been a fact why I was never interested in TCL. Only 1 test doing in another place didn't fit with his other tests. This should change.
This is not a “Vincent” situation, most other TV reviewers don’t even ever mention TCL. Vincent has 25 different videos involving TCL on his channel, many of which are comparison videos.
Thing is that those TVs have partly not even been available here in Europe in the past and if so not at many retailers and not properly priced. I wonder if this will either change or if this is more guided towards the American market since HDTVTest of course has viewers from all around the world.
@@shrinkray7950 Vincent states very clearly in every comparison video that we shouldn‘t pay attention to what we see in the video but instead to what he is saying. No cameras are good enough to capture the entire dynamic range of any of those TVs and additionaly you would need to watch the video on a reference monitor that necessarily has to be more capable than the displays he is capturing. So no, I don‘t believe that this is a factor and that his decisions are much more based on demand and what he thinks is worthwhile for consumers in the market he is in which is the British/European. He hasn‘t tested any more budget focused TVs in quite a long time.
Nice seeing again an interview with you and Mr. Maciejewski :-) ... some very interesting things came up: - printed OLED sounds extremely interesting ... TCL now seems to have a OLED development link to BOE(?) as well as to JOLED via CSOT (need to go for some research^^) - the UK and Germany seem to be quite similar markets in Europe re no. of tvs sold/installed and content being used ... interesting ... this may also be reflected in the model options offered by the tv OEMs in both markets - again noted there are no other HDMI-ports now than HDMI 2.1 (although they can massively differ) ... means we have to be more careful now, when looking for "full-fat" 2.1-port(s) Great video...
Seems like a drastic difference in brightness and dimming zones between the 835 and 935. Hard to tell from his presentation but I would be interested to see a set calibrated for color accuracy and whether it can produce an immersive image in movies, games, sports content. And brightness and dimming are great if you can get the processing right. I think that is where they tend to fall short. Good panels can only to what you tell them to.
I already purchase 55C835 from Poland (calibrated there, and delivery after to Romania.) Im very pleased with him. A lot better than my ex 55x93J Sony.
one thing I can agree with is that Miniled TV's are very good in a living room if you have lights on. But now they are making OLED TVs brighter and they are almost as good in a bright room. Overall I think it's preference for which technology is best for your use case. I have both Miniled in my living room and OLED in my bedroom. I'm a fan of both but I watch my OLED much more than my Miniled and FALD TV's.
FALD comes in bigger sizes, higher resolutions and doesn't have burn-in ... if any of those things matter or you have a bright room then FALD wins. otherwise OLED wins. i never had OLED but i noticed that OLED demos always use completely unrealistic footage with solid black background - something you never get in real life. there is no 100% black in real life nor could real cameras capture it if there was. OLED looks impressive in demos but with real content good FALD looks almost the same, but is bigger, brighter, sharper ( 8K ) and has no burn-in ...
@@g1981c , burn in is hardly even an issue with the latest OLED. LG has done quite a job of getting it under control. And we use them in control rooms where its even more likely to occur. And has!
@@g1981c this is the conclusion I’ve come to with the while OLED Vs MiniLED QLED debate too. Even with the lights off the QLEDs have held their own and with lights on, they simply get brighter overall and contrast is about the same still. And let’s be real, with SDR content, there’s no comparison, that ABL on OLED TV simply kill it dead unless you’re in an absolutely dark room with no lights. And that’s just not gonna be the use case for a lot of people unless it’s totally dedicated to a home theatre room.
I have the same TV in my living room too. My TV gets very bright and it has improved over the years with firmware updates. I also have 3 other TCL Roku TVS the R625 and R635 and the P605/607.
As long as TCL keeps their price down I'll be more than happy to accept a small amount of artifacts here and there, like blooming. My four-year-old TCL 65in is fantastic. I'm waiting for these cats to come out with a 90 inch version. TCL all the way baby
Not a fan of bloom effect that you get from these LED sets -- or the inherent smeariness of LCD panels in general (and this guy is not the first to claim they've gotten rid of it, BTW). But, I'll wait until I see it motion, just like anything. The question is, do these mini-LEDs have the motion stutter issue with 24fps content that OLED has?
That’s my biggest concern! Oled has amazing picture quality but abysmal motion handling. My CX is basically an expensive paper weight because I can’t stand the stutter. I really hope i can find a tv that doesn’t have this issue
The judder on oleds is rough. Motion interpolation is a must, so it helps to have a tv with good interpolation. LCD while smeary, the smear is a lot easier on the eyes than the image constantly shaking Fortunately I'm a fan of my c1's interpolation, there are a lot of variables to fine tune it
Eliminating smearing really has come a long ways though. That was my biggest issue with my first hdtv. After about 2 years I couldn't stand using it anymore due to eyestrain. Switched to a dlp projector for quite a few years thinking I'd never go back to led tech. However, my current monitor is an LG VA panel and I was blown away by how far led tech has come. Any ghosting it has seems to be from transitioning from one specific color to another but it's somewhat rare and more importantly it doesn't give me eyestrain. Quality wise it's leaps and bounds over my first hdtv.
Hi, I'm from Poland, I work in large worldwide corporation, I speak english myself and I also have many opportunities to hear my colleagues speaking english and trust me, no one in my company speaks like mister Maciej :) Even for me he sounds like someone from far east country :)
It is astounding to me how Apple's year old 12-16" tablet and laptop MiniLED can have 2600 zones, while a much more expensive new 65" TV only has 1080 zones. The sheer lack of local dimming zones alone is enough to be a deal breaker.
I'm still waiting for a 75-77" that has PIP. How in the world in 2022 do you take out such an important feature? Who isnt surfing and watching? Who isn't gaming and watching? Its like we are losing tech...devolving.
You seem to have this guy on a lot, next time press him on the lack of firmware updates that were promised but never delivered for older models and on why we got screwed over last year with c825k debacle. This feels like paid promotion Vincent and letting TCL off the hook makes it seem even worse.
Well he did get to manage to get two 65” models, so guess he cant be to harsh on this guy. And thats not the subject of the meeting, call it professional or whatever you like, it should be addressed another time.
@@mabombo8221 the 43" qn90a has a 60hz panel (!!) and way overpriced (I'm not even gonna talk about the qn90b which is even more expensive). Even the 50" version is around the same price or a bit more than a 48" C1 (and we could also talk about how much worse local dimming gets in game mode). At the same price it's a no brainer.
@@tomblade the 43" qn90a was gimped and is not recommend at all because as you said, it 60hz and too expensive. The qn90b 43" and 50" is 144hz and is always VA. As for the price, it depends on were you live. Some places, you can find the qn90b to be way cheaper than the C2 or same price or more expensive than the C2 or C1.
If increasing input lag solves the local dimming disabling with VRR, I hope everyone does it. I've got a Sony with the X1 Extreme chipset. If new TVs with VRR on had the same input lag from that era, I would take it easily
@@budthecyborg4575 having a very small input lag is less important indeed, but you want it as fast as possible. Nothing tops my crt.. also pixel response is important to. Good input*bad pixel=bad image Bad input*good pixels= bad response Good input* good pixels= good gaming experience. And you will give up more then 3ms for FALD to work flawless on non oled panels, on gaming mode processing power is cut for faster response, giving a washed out image, especially on high framerates.
I am ALWAYS suspicious of VA Panels for response times and black smearing. A lot of manufacturers claim to solve blacking smearing but I have yet to see a VA Panel without annoying smearing
I've got a whole house of older TCL 55" 615/617. I got them for $300-450. They have been incredible for me. I don't want to spend 2k+ on a TV that is overshadowed in less then 2 years. These look amazing and work perfect, support everything I need and cheaply so I don't feel as bad in a few more years when I look to replace them with the newest QD OLED stuff most likely and when that tech drops below the 1K price points.
People aren't spending "2k+ on a TV that is overshadowed in less than 2 years". They are spending that money on sets that can produce the best picture quality today. Technology will always become 'overshadowed' in short order. There is no point at which you can buy something won't have better versions in a few years. So you can pay less for older tech that is good enough for you or you can spend more for tech that is the most modern. As for QD OLED, if you are thinking that living room size sets are going to be below 1k in just a 'few more years', you will likely need to make sure your definition of "a few" is more than 2.
We used Vrr with local dimming on our 2020 Model Tcl R635 without any sort of major issues at all gaming on Xbox Series X and so I’m confused as to why he mentioned input lag with Vrr local dimming or input lag with local dimming at all because we haven’t noticed any effect on input lag with local dimming on High at all time’s
QUESTION: My 'beginners' understanding is that LED's do not suffer from burn in, and Oled's do. Question: So are MiniLED's the same as 'LEDs' and do NOT have burn in issues? I need a top brand TV that can be used 12 hrs a day and even stretch to 7 years or more lifespan. Is that impossible to acheive? Thanks
Mini LED TVs are LCDs and therefore do not suffer from burn in. LED/Mini LED refer to the type of Backlight, but both use LCD Panels to produce color. In the consumer Space there are only OLEDs and LCDs of different kinds, anything thats not an Oled is an LCD currently
The Achilles’ heel of TCL is video processing especially rendering low bit content. Stay away if you watch any cable or other 1080p< content. They’re not known for good QC either.
Obviously ... but at the same it provides interesting and often new and more internal information ... AS LONG AS you stay critical and sceptical all the time. Ofc drawbacks or disadvantages will never be pointed out (that's ofc not the task of an official representative^^) ... but positive points mentioned are not losing their value or relevance imho
@@caelvm133 That's one area where their testing is flawed imo because i would never label this tv as having good reflection handling. I swapped out the QN90A for the C1 and the reflection handling is abysmal in the daytime or with ambient light in comparison. It's essentially a mirror on dark scenes.
Brightness still isn’t there with qdoled.claimed 1600 nits peak brightness is for small window and is not sustained brightness. Larger windows on qdoled are still dim in comparison with 200-300 nits full screen vs 700-800 nits full screen on qn90a.full screen brightness most important for brighter living room and glare.
Funny how the TV on the left appears to have a far better balanced image in this video... the right is massively over contrasty and makes the girl waxy looking. A good reminder never to judge a TV from ANY youtube video. Also.... keep up the great work Vinnie 👍👍
The TV on the right is far brighter and hence blowing out colors and highlights. The room lighting was also pretty extreme. Can't judge a TV by those standards. Also the TV on the left was severely lacking specular high lights compared to the one on the right in several scenes.
it feels like the TV on the right is too bright - check out the crushed details on the clouds @ 2:42, which is funny because usually it's the blacks where the detail crushing happens :p
@@whiskizyo2067 You absolutely cannot judge a tv crushing cloud detail by looking at a RUclips video. Especially when there are two sets being shown and a person sitting in focus between them. You have no idea whether the Tv is blowing out detail or the way the exposure and apertures in the video camera doing the recording is set which is the culprit.
Thanks for the video. Number 1 trusted source of TV reviews! Any chance of reviewing the Samsung QN90/95B soon, now that Filmmaker mode has accurate colours and properly tracks the PQ EOTF like the S95B? Especially the 43-50 inch model (popular for a gaming monitor choice) would be awesome to see the better clarity and contrast this model has but also how bad the off axis viewing suffers as well because of this. And see the motion improvements if any as well as general blooming mitigation. I want to see how close it gets to an oled, it seems like the best alternative. You would be the only one with a proper review of this model..... ; ) The TCLs sound like it might beat it in contrast with 7000:1 native panel contrast which is exceptional for a VA (only the Samsung Q60T got that high by using dual temp led lights, but of course depends on the local dimming quality to increase it further) but not sure how the smaller Samsung QN90Bs do in contrast.....? ; ) I wonder how TCL achieves that high with a WVA layer as well? But the Samsung might be a better overall bet for quality and size, we'll see if TCL delivers....
I made this realization 365 days ago when i compared the QNed90 to Oled a80j in living room , Mini led so much brighter and fun too watch on most content..
I've seen a seem arguments in the posts about oled's being better. No TV is better as "Better" is subjective down to the individuals personal taste. Some people like the punchy bright colours, brighter specular highlights and generally brighter picture of LED TV's, whilst others prefer the perfect blacks and superior contrast of OLED's - it's literally just personal taste but the gap between the 2 technologies gets smaller every year.
I got an Oled TV but unfortunately the pixels get burned after 2 years of usage, and i face another problem which is the reflection which kill the picture. That’s why i bought a. TCL mini led
i can't wait to see a comparison between tcl c93 and samsung s95b .. both in the 75 and 65 inch version. P.s the prices are ultra-competitive ... when they arrive on the market is a mystery and that will also affect the choice a lot. G2 s95b and x95k will surely make a price cut and it will be a tough choice there .. I think..
I agree the pricing is fairly good - just hope the rumours about using last years chip is wrong, so that it does not suffer form the same 120hz half resolution issue.
@@wafflefreetech7062 from what I understand the chip should not be the old mediatek but the samsung for a bilateral agreement I reach with samsung ... they grant the miniled technology to samsung and samsung granted them the 144 hertz chip .... hopefully.
I’m still confused are the US models not the same in the higher end, the specs are different. So the C83/ 93 are not available here and did not receive the same upgrades on the R6 series? Also are any of these using the OD zero backlight mini LEDs? It seems the 93 might since it’s slimmer and brighter, just curious. Thanks
Nice specifications on the paper but the Warranty Support in Turkey is very catastrophic. Many panels have ghosting, light leak, CI Module problems and the service centers can only do software update to solve these issues. The reason is that TCL (and its distributor in Turkey) doesn't have its own service centers. This job is delegated to a 3rd Party Company which also empowers to other local service shops because most of them see the TV when they came to open the box in the customer's house. They can not fix C7xx direct led systems and with such a high knowledge and they will fix miniLED panels.
As much as I want Vincent to get paid from this sponsorship, don't buy a tv based off of the specs alone. The unmentioned negatives often outweigh the positives by a lot Edit: I assumed the video is sponsored, it isn't. Check the replies!
This is not a sponsored video. If it is Vincent has failed to indicate so, which would be a rare mistake for him, for this sort of thing. This is an interview w/ someone from the tv brand and should be seen as such. He has done them w/ other brands as well, and the representatives for those companies are always going to focus on the positives, for obvious reasons. The end of the video indicates he'll be doing a full review later on, which is what you should use if want to use his videos to help your purchasing decisions.
@Lt. Bubbles: We are not sponsored by TCL for this video, otherwise we would have to mark it with an "Includes Paid Promotion" message. This is merely a neutral interview with a company spokesperson, which has no bearing on a full technical review where we point out the pros and cons of the TV being tested, so that consumers can make an informed purchase decision.
@@BboyCustomz I understand now, I didn't know it was a simple interview. It just felt too scripted to me so I assumed it's sponsored. Thank you for the response, curious to see what the tv performs like in a review later on! :)
I think based on the prices he shared, I'd want to invest in an OLED panel instead of the VA panel. Better response time, better contrast, better viewing angles, better color profile. The only real difference is brightness. I suppose that will matter for some living rooms, but why pay more for a TV that's a little brighter but inferior in most other respects? The LG C1 sells in the US now for about $1020, probably similar discount for older models in the UK. I'd go OLED if spending that kind of $ for a new set.
Mini-LED is for sure going to be a huge leap forward in visual quality and intensity. Although not sure if it will replace OLED outright. Examining this comparison through a video one can already see how obnoxiously bright it is in a completely lit room. Imagine in a dark environment, or as a computer monitor. It is getting dangerously strong at this point. Only downside is that there is no 55 inch or lower version for DPI precision, although I'd guess that more real estate would come at a lower cost. At this point deciding factor would lie behind preference, specific viewing scenario and software calibration / functionality comparison. Interesting to see yet another option and competition continuing to push innovation forward in application
1000 local dimming zones with deep blacks and a very brightness with color accuracy is just too good to miss. OLED technology is simply too immature and expensive rn. Makes more sense to buy Mini-LED
For me it wasn't entirely clear if Local Dimming could be enabled in gaming mode, from the sound of it some alternative method of handling LED Dimming can be enabled in gaming mode which minimizes ghosting at the expense of increasing latency by 3ms.
For a company like this, its probably smart of them to skip OLED altogether. You won't get perfect blacks but less headaches to deal with overall while being able to offer the price you'd expect from TCL. And those customers that are super picky with blacks and reference quality probably wouldn't be going with the cheaper brands anyways.
Will tcl ever fix the crackling useless sound with dolby content in the cinema sound mode, or the horrible bright distorted line below the black bar watching movies on the 75 c935? I doubt since they still haven't done anything to solve that.
Love how TCL sticks to their guns, and goes all in on FALD LCD. In an ideal world, organic light emitting diodes wouldn't be necessary for high picture quality.
That's what we're evolving towards. Mini-LED is just a stop-gap until Micro-LED can be manufactured for consumer displays. And once that happens, we shouldn't need OLED anymore.
@@NexGenTek .. You don't understand.. Real MiniLED TV's already exists in 1080p, where all pixels are an actual Light emitting diode (LED) this is the end game, and is self-emisive. We don't want organic light emitting diodes.. They degrade over time, you need to dim static elements and a ton of other stuff running in the background to watch over your fragile Organic light emitting diode pixels (OLED) The S95B can hit 1500 nits for a fraction of a second, it's actual peak brightness is around 1050 nits. And restrictive ABL kicks in very soon to reduce brightness, with a full-field of only 200 nits. With actual real miniLED there will be no ABL, insanely high dynamic range (peak brightness) perfect black, and no degeneration of the pixels over time. This is the true end-game. Organic LED's is only a temporary solution because it's currently impossible to make a 2160p miniLED TV, the LED's are too large. An OLED panel is 'grown' while a MiniLED panel is "build" The actual 1080p MiniLED Tv's in existence right now, cost a fortune. I don't think they will be commercialized in 4K, even 10 years from now.
@@Lasse3 I don't think you understand.. Where did you come up with real miniLed being self-emissive. They aren't where are you getting that information? What 1080p displays? Do you mean micro-led because mini led will never be self-emissive for that they have to be organic hence the saying "self-emissive" and highlights happen for fraction of a second they are instant flashing and ABL has gotten better to the point they'll probably be a different solution in the future not to mention you can disable it. Mini-led will never give you perfect black and the ones that exist now also dimmed during highlights or suffer extreme blooming and haloing,DSE etc. Contrast is the most important part of the picture. So until micro-led which will give us perfect black and crazy high peak brightness. OLED is the way to go especially now that the color and high color volume has reached high levels of Rec 20/20 and high peak brightness. I think you're confused about the technology that you're discussing!
@@NexGenTek He's talking about direct view minileds vs lcds with miniled backlights. Samsung the Wall is more closely using minileds than microleds mainly because the size of each LED is around 100x100 microns. It's a similar size used in the lcds with miniled backlights. A true Microled is usually araound
I know every year tv's get brighter and brighter incrementally and those with heatsinks in them allow for further brightness enchancements but what are the perks between OLED/WOLED/WRGB (all same thing?) vs QD-OLED (QLED for short?) vs Mini-LED? I just know QD-OLED has wider gamut and is supposedly brighter than OLED while lasting longer on burn-ins? Is there no one fits all TV for most things?
These miniLED definitely are NOT better than OLED for movies and gaming. In a very bright room PERHAPS, but in dim\darker rooms OLED is rightly the king for now
UMMM You guys keep forgetting Dual cells its so sad. if you didnt know hisense have their Dual Cell technology which have 2073600 dimming zone (based on 1080p). Linus tested it and said it doesn't have blooming and actually look like OLED while getting LCD Brightness. Sadly Hisense cancel this product but you can still buy them if there are still remaining stock and probably cheaper than it was released
@@LeafyTheLeafBoy Dual cell LCDs suffer from high latency, low brightness and very high power consumption which means they wouldn't pass MEPS requirements in Europe and in many other countries.
@@DOGMA1138but for its first gen its really good but yes the i shouldnt said LCD brightness cause right now i just search up the brightness nits on Rtings and really disappointed and LG C1 is actually a better buy but hope hisense keep working on this TV and improve it. they could reduced the local dimming zone to 360p or 480p to reduced the power consumption
@@LeafyTheLeafBoy The power consumption has nothing to do with the resolution of the screen, LCDs already only let a fraction of the light passthrough a single cell LCD is already less than 8% transmissive, heck with any LCD 50% of the backlight is lost to the polarizer alone. Dual cell LCD's only let about 2-3% of the light come through. It was also not a first generation technology, dual cell LCDs have been used for a long time in various applications such as medical imaging and color grading monitors. This isn't a viable technology it would always be more expensive and less efficient than anything else on the market. emissive technology is really the only way forward weather it's organic or conventional LEDs it doesn't matter. The next big thing would be top emission displays which is where the QD-OLED technology shines since the fewer layers the light passes through the more light reaches your eye so you can either have a longer life span or a brighter screen than a comparable bottom emission display. MicroLED is a dead end so it OLED both of them will be obsolete when QDEL displays would be viable and for that we need to be able to print them like we do OLED screens like now. QDEL eliminates the need for a light source altogether and can be printed like OLED but unlike OLED it doesn't uses organic materials which means that they are far more stable.
@@DOGMA1138 Thanks for your information i guess QD-OLED And MicroLED are the future. question does QD-OLED have longer life expectancy than Lg WOLED? (less chance to get burn-in)
That’s B.S. unless you’re talking about a very bright room. It only hides the flaws of blooming and black levels. Regardless of tech all critical viewing should be in a dark room.
I’m getting the new 65” LG QNED90 2022 version for my living room, it’s been the plan all along but it’s nice to see my prediction was right 👍🏻 Do you have a bright living room like i do, MiniLed is the way to go 💯
That was a cool interview. I liked the pacing, and the information was great. I didn't know TCL was doing so many zones on the higher end models. If the sony a95k doesn't test well, maybe I'll look at a cheaper alternative. ;)
I returned the tcl mini led. It would look good sometimes but the rest of the time there would be a ton of artifacts. Also skin tones would have a pinkish purple hue.
Doesn't matter how much mini-LED technology is improved, it will never best the quality of OLED and its contrast ratio. The industry needs to focus on micro-LED technology instead - this is the future and current prices and limitations prevent it from being commercially viable. More R&D is needed in micro-LED tech.
Unfortunately MicroLED likely isn't going to be available at decent sizes(55in to 75in) at reasonable consumer prices for a long time. The smallest size right now is an 89in, but it costs somewhere between $50,000 and $100,000. However, NanoLED, which is more or less equivalent to MicroLED, but not quite on the same level, is supposedly going to be available in 2026 and they claim it'll be cheaper than current TV's. We'll see how that pans out.
The problem is this shit never seems to go down in price over time anymore. Technology used to get cheaper as it aged, but it seems like now all the prices just stay the same and new products just increase the price over time.
@@Hobo_X No not really....If you look at Tv's over a 10 year period they have only gotten better with prices coming down in just about any size category.
I still am rocking my 2020 TCL 55r635 What's everyone's thoughts on that TV? I have a Series X so the fact that my ports are only 2.0, I can only get 1440/120. But I'm more than fine with 4k/60 because as soon as I put my tv in 1440/120 Xbox disables HDR and the image doesn't look nearly as good. I guess the Xbox only allows HDR on 4k signals?
There's a 99% chance I buy the C93. 7,000:1 contrast AND less color shift AND 1920 zones AND it should work almost the same at low latency AND 4K144hz. TCL has analyzed the enthusiast market perfectly.
@@adhom9053 I've been watching prices on the QN90A recently and right now I'm glad I never found a sale. Samsung local dimming in game mode is horrendous, and if TCL really does have the full dimming algorithm working with just an extra few milliseconds delay that's fantastic. Before now I thought we'd have to wait to 2023 for upgrades from TCL, but as soon as RTINGS confirms everything is working correctly I will buy the C93 ASAP.
In Germany I will never buy a TCL TV again. I have 2 TCL. And I get no Updates. The Menü speed is horrible, TV Start slow. No Sky Ticket App. Why in Europe I became no Firmware Updates? That sucks. I shit on this Firma. Never again. No Firmware Updates, that's a no go. The Security Updates over 1 Year old.
Specifically when you're viewing in brighter light environment - mini-LED can offer a better experience. But still for gaming and viewing at night or in a dark room- OLED is king.
Hi. I had the c825 but it was damaged when I moved. Luckily I had good incurense so I got my monney back. Now Im looking for a new TV. The c825 was good but too buggy. Do you know if c835 or 935 is better? Or else I get a LG oled
The problem with brands like TCL and Hisense is the same models in different parts of the world have different chipsets, stripped back features and different operating systems. Once this is fixed they will get closer to the big 3 brands.
While I agree with you, I've had some extremely good Hisense TVs (UK), my last Hisense 65" was far better than the 77" LG I have now. Will change TV again later this year, waiting for all the 2022 reviews to be done
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Yep, it is a bit useless. They need to give real specifications again, or be sued if the TV advertised sounds like a different model overseas.
Agreed, the Hisense U8G in South Africa is apparently MUCH weaker than the one in the US. It's unfortunate because tech savvy people will watch/read reviews from US/UK based reviewers and think that they are getting the same product, only to get a MUCH inferior one!
they literally specifically pointed this out in the video that this isn't the case for this series of TV
It‘s so incredibly stupid that HDMI 2.0 bandwidth ports are now also called HDMI 2.1 but at least he made it clear what that meant for their TVs.
2 full speed ports are plenty, 1 for a console and 1 for a PC
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Would be enough for most people if they wouldn‘t have the eARC port on one of the two full bandwidth ports which is almost always the case. You either need an AV receiver or soundbar that can pass 2.1 bandwidth or a very expensive splitter but all that also means no different picture settings for the different devices. 4x full bandwidth is very clearly the only worthwhile solution for anyone interested in gaming on more than just a very casual level with one console.
Shouldn’t be allowed. Incredibly misleading
@@margenov Except I have two consoles and PC, all plugged into my C1. Never good to make assumptions about what "is enough".
@@ledooni 3x at least
Glad to see TCL showing up on Vincent channel. I like what TCL is doing. Really good picture that doesn't hurt the pocket book 💵💵💵. I love my TCL R646
Despite not a brand i would get, i always appreciate Marek's interview session in sharing TCL's info
From my perspective I have never see Vincent actually test TCL side by side with Sony and Others. This has been a fact why I was never interested in TCL. Only 1 test doing in another place didn't fit with his other tests. This should change.
This is not a “Vincent” situation, most other TV reviewers don’t even ever mention TCL. Vincent has 25 different videos involving TCL on his channel, many of which are comparison videos.
@@gbej1 this is not a "most other tv reviewers" situation. His point stands.
Thing is that those TVs have partly not even been available here in Europe in the past and if so not at many retailers and not properly priced. I wonder if this will either change or if this is more guided towards the American market since HDTVTest of course has viewers from all around the world.
I guess it is hard to capture OLED TV and MINI-led TV in the same frame due to different peak brightness.
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Vincent states very clearly in every comparison video that we shouldn‘t pay attention to what we see in the video but instead to what he is saying. No cameras are good enough to capture the entire dynamic range of any of those TVs and additionaly you would need to watch the video on a reference monitor that necessarily has to be more capable than the displays he is capturing. So no, I don‘t believe that this is a factor and that his decisions are much more based on demand and what he thinks is worthwhile for consumers in the market he is in which is the British/European. He hasn‘t tested any more budget focused TVs in quite a long time.
Nice seeing again an interview with you and Mr. Maciejewski :-) ... some very interesting things came up:
- printed OLED sounds extremely interesting ... TCL now seems to have a OLED development link to BOE(?) as well as to JOLED via CSOT (need to go for some research^^)
- the UK and Germany seem to be quite similar markets in Europe re no. of tvs sold/installed and content being used ... interesting ... this may also be reflected in the model options offered by the tv OEMs in both markets
- again noted there are no other HDMI-ports now than HDMI 2.1 (although they can massively differ) ... means we have to be more careful now, when looking for "full-fat" 2.1-port(s)
Great video...
That C93 looks interesting. I'd like to see it compared with other minileds
Seems like a drastic difference in brightness and dimming zones between the 835 and 935. Hard to tell from his presentation but I would be interested to see a set calibrated for color accuracy and whether it can produce an immersive image in movies, games, sports content. And brightness and dimming are great if you can get the processing right. I think that is where they tend to fall short. Good panels can only to what you tell them to.
significant reflections on the panels in the background
He is using 2 studio lights shining directly on him and the screens. ANY TV would struggle with those lights.
I love these interview style videos Vincent! Very informational and cool!
Was really hoping your next video would have been the A95K review. Waiting, waiting, waiting…
I already purchase 55C835 from Poland (calibrated there, and delivery after to Romania.) Im very pleased with him. A lot better than my ex 55x93J Sony.
He's alive!!! over a week since the last video, welcome back :-)
Absolutely. Vinny, pls. Do a QN90B vs X95K death battle match! And also a Z9K review 🙏🏼
When do these new Sony tvs come out?
@@sharebear421 Heaven knows! Samsung seem to come out earlier even though Sony is first with Press Releases 🤷🏻♂️
one thing I can agree with is that Miniled TV's are very good in a living room if you have lights on. But now they are making OLED TVs brighter and they are almost as good in a bright room. Overall I think it's preference for which technology is best for your use case. I have both Miniled in my living room and OLED in my bedroom. I'm a fan of both but I watch my OLED much more than my Miniled and FALD TV's.
FALD comes in bigger sizes, higher resolutions and doesn't have burn-in ... if any of those things matter or you have a bright room then FALD wins. otherwise OLED wins. i never had OLED but i noticed that OLED demos always use completely unrealistic footage with solid black background - something you never get in real life. there is no 100% black in real life nor could real cameras capture it if there was. OLED looks impressive in demos but with real content good FALD looks almost the same, but is bigger, brighter, sharper ( 8K ) and has no burn-in ...
@@g1981c , burn in is hardly even an issue with the latest OLED. LG has done quite a job of getting it under control. And we use them in control rooms where its even more likely to occur. And has!
@@g1981c this is the conclusion I’ve come to with the while OLED Vs MiniLED QLED debate too. Even with the lights off the QLEDs have held their own and with lights on, they simply get brighter overall and contrast is about the same still. And let’s be real, with SDR content, there’s no comparison, that ABL on OLED TV simply kill it dead unless you’re in an absolutely dark room with no lights. And that’s just not gonna be the use case for a lot of people unless it’s totally dedicated to a home theatre room.
I love my TCL. It's the 65R617 and it's really great. I'm looking forward to hearing about thier 3rd gen Mini LED
I have the same TV in my living room too. My TV gets very bright and it has improved over the years with firmware updates. I also have 3 other TCL Roku TVS the R625 and R635 and the P605/607.
As long as TCL keeps their price down I'll be more than happy to accept a small amount of artifacts here and there, like blooming. My four-year-old TCL 65in is fantastic. I'm waiting for these cats to come out with a 90 inch version.
TCL all the way baby
I wish they would bring the 6 series or 8 series into the 85" size
the C735 has a 98 version ts 6000 euro in the media markt in my country. btw i have a 735 65 inch in my living room and pretty happy with it...
Thanks Vincent. Always love when you and Marek get together!
Not a fan of bloom effect that you get from these LED sets -- or the inherent smeariness of LCD panels in general (and this guy is not the first to claim they've gotten rid of it, BTW). But, I'll wait until I see it motion, just like anything. The question is, do these mini-LEDs have the motion stutter issue with 24fps content that OLED has?
That’s my biggest concern! Oled has amazing picture quality but abysmal motion handling. My CX is basically an expensive paper weight because I can’t stand the stutter. I really hope i can find a tv that doesn’t have this issue
you obviously haven't seen mini LED of this year, it's better than QD OLED: ruclips.net/video/GFvMHRh8OJA/видео.html
@@sharebear421 you can't completely get rid of stutter with an oled,it is just part of the tech because of the way it processes the picture.
The judder on oleds is rough. Motion interpolation is a must, so it helps to have a tv with good interpolation.
LCD while smeary, the smear is a lot easier on the eyes than the image constantly shaking
Fortunately I'm a fan of my c1's interpolation, there are a lot of variables to fine tune it
Eliminating smearing really has come a long ways though. That was my biggest issue with my first hdtv. After about 2 years I couldn't stand using it anymore due to eyestrain. Switched to a dlp projector for quite a few years thinking I'd never go back to led tech. However, my current monitor is an LG VA panel and I was blown away by how far led tech has come. Any ghosting it has seems to be from transitioning from one specific color to another but it's somewhat rare and more importantly it doesn't give me eyestrain. Quality wise it's leaps and bounds over my first hdtv.
Hi, I'm from Poland, I work in large worldwide corporation, I speak english myself and I also have many opportunities to hear my colleagues speaking english and trust me, no one in my company speaks like mister Maciej :) Even for me he sounds like someone from far east country :)
I was wondering how someone can be in that position without being able to speak decent English.
@@tomblade his english is decent enough I would say it's a bit rough but he get get his point across.
I hope we will see the a95k review soon 🙏
It is astounding to me how Apple's year old 12-16" tablet and laptop MiniLED can have 2600 zones, while a much more expensive new 65" TV only has 1080 zones.
The sheer lack of local dimming zones alone is enough to be a deal breaker.
MiniLED will become interesting when we hit 500,000 zones (960x540), or 1 zone for every 16 pixels in UHD.
@@sowit123 nope. X95k have 408 zone for 65 diagonal. But it less then concurrent.
@@muf1772 isn't that 'microled' at that point
A shorter viewing distance requires more dimming zones, so a laptop or tablet will require more dimming zones than a 55" television.
I'm still waiting for a 75-77" that has PIP. How in the world in 2022 do you take out such an important feature? Who isnt surfing and watching? Who isn't gaming and watching? Its like we are losing tech...devolving.
You seem to have this guy on a lot, next time press him on the lack of firmware updates that were promised but never delivered for older models and on why we got screwed over last year with c825k debacle. This feels like paid promotion Vincent and letting TCL off the hook makes it seem even worse.
Well he did get to manage to get two 65” models, so guess he cant be to harsh on this guy. And thats not the subject of the meeting, call it professional or whatever you like, it should be addressed another time.
But I do agree it should be addressed.
We'll see how they compare to the US versions this time. No small sizes is a deal breaker. 42 and 48 inch OLEDs dominate for gaming.
not just for gaming. For everyone who can't go above 50" due to physical constraints.
@@tomblade you know that the qn90b have a 43" and 50"
@@mabombo8221 the 43" qn90a has a 60hz panel (!!) and way overpriced (I'm not even gonna talk about the qn90b which is even more expensive). Even the 50" version is around the same price or a bit more than a 48" C1 (and we could also talk about how much worse local dimming gets in game mode).
At the same price it's a no brainer.
@@tomblade the 43" qn90a was gimped and is not recommend at all because as you said, it 60hz and too expensive. The qn90b 43" and 50" is 144hz and is always VA. As for the price, it depends on were you live.
Some places, you can find the qn90b to be way cheaper than the C2 or same price or more expensive than the C2 or C1.
If increasing input lag solves the local dimming disabling with VRR, I hope everyone does it. I've got a Sony with the X1 Extreme chipset. If new TVs with VRR on had the same input lag from that era, I would take it easily
No issues on oled with vrr and hdr gaming👌
Giving up 3ms input lag is an easy choice if it means FALD works the same in both Movie mode and Game mode.
@@budthecyborg4575 dont forget pixel response, very important for high refresh content.
@@ClosestNearUtopia Bottom line is most games have around 60ms total system lag and no-one is going to notice a 5% increase.
@@budthecyborg4575 having a very small input lag is less important indeed, but you want it as fast as possible. Nothing tops my crt.. also pixel response is important to.
Good input*bad pixel=bad image
Bad input*good pixels= bad response
Good input* good pixels= good gaming experience.
And you will give up more then 3ms for FALD to work flawless on non oled panels, on gaming mode processing power is cut for faster response, giving a washed out image, especially on high framerates.
Congrats on 444k subs, good to see you're no longer subsampling your viewers ;)
I am ALWAYS suspicious of VA Panels for response times and black smearing. A lot of manufacturers claim to solve blacking smearing but I have yet to see a VA Panel without annoying smearing
Thanks from Russia for your job!
I think I still want OLED, just for it's response times in gaming, it's the only thing that can truly surpass CRTs, next to microLED in the far future
Its crazy how apple put about 2500 zones in an iPad
M1 iPad Pro has 2,596 local dimming zones and 10,000 Mini LEDs.
I've got a whole house of older TCL 55" 615/617. I got them for $300-450. They have been incredible for me. I don't want to spend 2k+ on a TV that is overshadowed in less then 2 years. These look amazing and work perfect, support everything I need and cheaply so I don't feel as bad in a few more years when I look to replace them with the newest QD OLED stuff most likely and when that tech drops below the 1K price points.
People aren't spending "2k+ on a TV that is overshadowed in less than 2 years". They are spending that money on sets that can produce the best picture quality today. Technology will always become 'overshadowed' in short order. There is no point at which you can buy something won't have better versions in a few years. So you can pay less for older tech that is good enough for you or you can spend more for tech that is the most modern.
As for QD OLED, if you are thinking that living room size sets are going to be below 1k in just a 'few more years', you will likely need to make sure your definition of "a few" is more than 2.
A very professional speaker with in-depth knowledge of the technical aspects of the products, rare to see from such big companies.
Uh uh uh
What a fantastic interview.
Ty
We used Vrr with local dimming on our 2020 Model Tcl R635 without any sort of major issues at all gaming on Xbox Series X and so I’m confused as to why he mentioned input lag with Vrr local dimming or input lag with local dimming at all because we haven’t noticed any effect on input lag with local dimming on High at all time’s
QUESTION:
My 'beginners' understanding is that LED's do not suffer from burn in, and Oled's do.
Question: So are MiniLED's the same as 'LEDs' and do NOT have burn in issues?
I need a top brand TV that can be used 12 hrs a day and even stretch to 7 years or more lifespan. Is that impossible to acheive?
Thanks
Mini LED TVs are LCDs and therefore do not suffer from burn in. LED/Mini LED refer to the type of Backlight, but both use LCD Panels to produce color. In the consumer Space there are only OLEDs and LCDs of different kinds, anything thats not an Oled is an LCD currently
Thank you @@Nico-wv2ii. That is very clear. I appreciate your explanation.
The Achilles’ heel of TCL is video processing especially rendering low bit content. Stay away if you watch any cable or other 1080p< content. They’re not known for good QC either.
When will you be reviewing the Sony Z9K? I need to know if the VRR disables the local dimming! Thanks for the great videos!
These interviews are some of the best marketing TCL could ask for.
Obviously ... but at the same it provides interesting and often new and more internal information ... AS LONG AS you stay critical and sceptical all the time.
Ofc drawbacks or disadvantages will never be pointed out (that's ofc not the task of an official representative^^) ... but positive points mentioned are not losing their value or relevance imho
How does this sentiment change with QD Oled? I know WRGB OLEDs can be too dim with awful reflection handling. (My biggest gripe with the C1)
You do know the C1 has one of the best reflection handling in any tv right ? Look up on rtings
Exactly why the TCL rep pivoted to WRGB OLED when Vincent clearly mentioned QD-OLED.
you decide, i just left this comparison about that in another comment: ruclips.net/video/GFvMHRh8OJA/видео.html
@@caelvm133 That's one area where their testing is flawed imo because i would never label this tv as having good reflection handling. I swapped out the QN90A for the C1 and the reflection handling is abysmal in the daytime or with ambient light in comparison. It's essentially a mirror on dark scenes.
Brightness still isn’t there with qdoled.claimed 1600 nits peak brightness is for small window and is not sustained brightness. Larger windows on qdoled are still dim in comparison with 200-300 nits full screen vs 700-800 nits full screen on qn90a.full screen brightness most important for brighter living room and glare.
Funny how the TV on the left appears to have a far better balanced image in this video... the right is massively over contrasty and makes the girl waxy looking. A good reminder never to judge a TV from ANY youtube video.
Also.... keep up the great work Vinnie 👍👍
The TV on the right is far brighter and hence blowing out colors and highlights. The room lighting was also pretty extreme. Can't judge a TV by those standards. Also the TV on the left was severely lacking specular high lights compared to the one on the right in several scenes.
it feels like the TV on the right is too bright - check out the crushed details on the clouds @ 2:42, which is funny because usually it's the blacks where the detail crushing happens :p
@@whiskizyo2067 You absolutely cannot judge a tv crushing cloud detail by looking at a RUclips video. Especially when there are two sets being shown and a person sitting in focus between them. You have no idea whether the Tv is blowing out detail or the way the exposure and apertures in the video camera doing the recording is set which is the culprit.
Thanks for the video. Number 1 trusted source of TV reviews!
Any chance of reviewing the Samsung QN90/95B soon, now that Filmmaker mode has accurate colours and properly tracks the PQ EOTF like the S95B? Especially the 43-50 inch model (popular for a gaming monitor choice) would be awesome to see the better clarity and contrast this model has but also how bad the off axis viewing suffers as well because of this. And see the motion improvements if any as well as general blooming mitigation. I want to see how close it gets to an oled, it seems like the best alternative. You would be the only one with a proper review of this model..... ; ) The TCLs sound like it might beat it in contrast with 7000:1 native panel contrast which is exceptional for a VA (only the Samsung Q60T got that high by using dual temp led lights, but of course depends on the local dimming quality to increase it further) but not sure how the smaller Samsung QN90Bs do in contrast.....? ; ) I wonder how TCL achieves that high with a WVA layer as well? But the Samsung might be a better overall bet for quality and size, we'll see if TCL delivers....
Waiting on your Sony a95k review. Please let us know what you think about it.
"Please let us know"
It's common sense that he'll release a video review about it.
@@PSYCHOV3N0M Not sure what is taking him so long for Sony a95k review. He already has it.
The demo footage showing on the TVs in the background was filmed in Croatia...just a little trivia...
I made this realization 365 days ago when i compared the QNed90 to Oled a80j in living room , Mini led so much brighter and fun too watch on most content..
I've seen a seem arguments in the posts about oled's being better. No TV is better as "Better" is subjective down to the individuals personal taste. Some people like the punchy bright colours, brighter specular highlights and generally brighter picture of LED TV's, whilst others prefer the perfect blacks and superior contrast of OLED's - it's literally just personal taste but the gap between the 2 technologies gets smaller every year.
Vincent it's been a couple weeks were is that A95k review and head to head comparison of the S95b.
So did we find out if local dimming works with VRR?😀
It's doesn't
maybe next year with new chipsets
We don't know for sure but it probably won't work since he didn't give a clear answer
A95k review coming soon ??
I got an Oled TV but unfortunately the pixels get burned after 2 years of usage, and i face another problem which is the reflection which kill the picture. That’s why i bought a. TCL mini led
i can't wait to see a comparison between tcl c93 and samsung s95b .. both in the 75 and 65 inch version. P.s the prices are ultra-competitive ... when they arrive on the market is a mystery and that will also affect the choice a lot. G2 s95b and x95k will surely make a price cut and it will be a tough choice there .. I think..
I agree the pricing is fairly good - just hope the rumours about using last years chip is wrong, so that it does not suffer form the same 120hz half resolution issue.
@@wafflefreetech7062 from what I understand the chip should not be the old mediatek but the samsung for a bilateral agreement I reach with samsung ... they grant the miniled technology to samsung and samsung granted them the 144 hertz chip .... hopefully.
S95b blows this out of the water 😂
@@VincentVanBro and so it should at over double the price of the C935. Vicent's title is just click bait t get people to watch.
@@wafflefreetech7062 however i am curious as to why there are still no reviews around of any tcl c935 and c835....mah
I’m still confused are the US models not the same in the higher end, the specs are different. So the C83/ 93 are not available here and did not receive the same upgrades on the R6 series? Also are any of these using the OD zero backlight mini LEDs? It seems the 93 might since it’s slimmer and brighter, just curious. Thanks
Nice specifications on the paper but the Warranty Support in Turkey is very catastrophic. Many panels have ghosting, light leak, CI Module problems and the service centers can only do software update to solve these issues. The reason is that TCL (and its distributor in Turkey) doesn't have its own service centers. This job is delegated to a 3rd Party Company which also empowers to other local service shops because most of them see the TV when they came to open the box in the customer's house. They can not fix C7xx direct led systems and with such a high knowledge and they will fix miniLED panels.
As much as I want Vincent to get paid from this sponsorship, don't buy a tv based off of the specs alone. The unmentioned negatives often outweigh the positives by a lot
Edit: I assumed the video is sponsored, it isn't. Check the replies!
This is not a sponsored video. If it is Vincent has failed to indicate so, which would be a rare mistake for him, for this sort of thing. This is an interview w/ someone from the tv brand and should be seen as such. He has done them w/ other brands as well, and the representatives for those companies are always going to focus on the positives, for obvious reasons.
The end of the video indicates he'll be doing a full review later on, which is what you should use if want to use his videos to help your purchasing decisions.
@Lt. Bubbles: We are not sponsored by TCL for this video, otherwise we would have to mark it with an "Includes Paid Promotion" message. This is merely a neutral interview with a company spokesperson, which has no bearing on a full technical review where we point out the pros and cons of the TV being tested, so that consumers can make an informed purchase decision.
@@hdtvtest well said 👍🏼
@@BboyCustomz I understand now, I didn't know it was a simple interview. It just felt too scripted to me so I assumed it's sponsored. Thank you for the response, curious to see what the tv performs like in a review later on! :)
@@hdtvtest Sorry for that, my mistake. Looking forward to the video!
i have tcl c825 uk model...on v141 version..what version should i upgrade to have google tv and disney plus
Any news about their 4th generation MINI LED super slim TV ? Would love to see that TV in 150 inch size :)
Ill believe when I see it. Until then its OLED all the way.
Any 12 bit panels yet?
I think based on the prices he shared, I'd want to invest in an OLED panel instead of the VA panel. Better response time, better contrast, better viewing angles, better color profile. The only real difference is brightness. I suppose that will matter for some living rooms, but why pay more for a TV that's a little brighter but inferior in most other respects? The LG C1 sells in the US now for about $1020, probably similar discount for older models in the UK. I'd go OLED if spending that kind of $ for a new set.
Little brighter is an understatement. Miniled can get way brighter and deliver more impactful hdr
Get 65 inch c1 oled. Its Bright enough for everything and picture quality is super
Yes also the native contrast is way too low at just 7000.
@@booonnoob7950 I'd rather not have to wear sunglasses watching tv
THIS^^^^^
C83 = T10G (China version)
C93 = X11 (China version)
Both have been on sale for some time
Wow thanks for the info
Thank you for the great work again, V.
Mini-LED is for sure going to be a huge leap forward in visual quality and intensity. Although not sure if it will replace OLED outright. Examining this comparison through a video one can already see how obnoxiously bright it is in a completely lit room. Imagine in a dark environment, or as a computer monitor. It is getting dangerously strong at this point. Only downside is that there is no 55 inch or lower version for DPI precision, although I'd guess that more real estate would come at a lower cost. At this point deciding factor would lie behind preference, specific viewing scenario and software calibration / functionality comparison. Interesting to see yet another option and competition continuing to push innovation forward in application
Just scale the highlight level with ambient light or let the user set a maximum brightness.
1000 local dimming zones with deep blacks and a very brightness with color accuracy is just too good to miss. OLED technology is simply too immature and expensive rn. Makes more sense to buy Mini-LED
For me it wasn't entirely clear if Local Dimming could be enabled in gaming mode, from the sound of it some alternative method of handling LED Dimming can be enabled in gaming mode which minimizes ghosting at the expense of increasing latency by 3ms.
It can be enabled in game mode, just not when VRR is enabled ( it might work but not fully )
Hi sir am so sad got c935 and can’t get 144 hz on my pc this need software updates they are so slow not solving the problem
Can it do VRR with LD? I didn't understand his long-winded answer. A simple yes or no would have sufficed.
Absolutely perhaps maybe. What's not clear about that?
I have a TCL 6 series R625 and a new MiniLED tv would look better than what I have. good interview and keep them coming
For a company like this, its probably smart of them to skip OLED altogether. You won't get perfect blacks but less headaches to deal with overall while being able to offer the price you'd expect from TCL. And those customers that are super picky with blacks and reference quality probably wouldn't be going with the cheaper brands anyways.
I was gonna get the TCL C83k 65 inch for £1199, but then I just got the LG C1 55 inch instead, price matched to £799 (from £999 retail price).
Super informative answers from TCL even though the 60hz Dolby Vision limitation may still bug some people. 👍
No native games with Dolby Vision are available as of yet , so for now it's a gimmick.
Will tcl ever fix the crackling useless sound with dolby content in the cinema sound mode, or the horrible bright distorted line below the black bar watching movies on the 75 c935? I doubt since they still haven't done anything to solve that.
48 Jigs of bandwidth. Great Scott!
One you get to the 1000+ zone territory, MiniLED gives OLED a run for its money in most use cases. OLED is still superior for gaming though.
Love how TCL sticks to their guns, and goes all in on FALD LCD.
In an ideal world, organic light emitting diodes wouldn't be necessary for high picture quality.
That's what we're evolving towards. Mini-LED is just a stop-gap until Micro-LED can be manufactured for consumer displays. And once that happens, we shouldn't need OLED anymore.
Self Emissive will be the end game just need it brighter. Honestly it's gotten so much better with Oleds hitting 1500 nits now
@@NexGenTek .. You don't understand..
Real MiniLED TV's already exists in 1080p, where all pixels are an actual Light emitting diode (LED)
this is the end game, and is self-emisive.
We don't want organic light emitting diodes.. They degrade over time, you need to dim static elements and a ton of other stuff running in the background to watch over your fragile Organic light emitting diode pixels (OLED)
The S95B can hit 1500 nits for a fraction of a second, it's actual peak brightness is around 1050 nits. And restrictive ABL kicks in very soon to reduce brightness, with a full-field of only 200 nits.
With actual real miniLED there will be no ABL, insanely high dynamic range (peak brightness) perfect black, and no degeneration of the pixels over time.
This is the true end-game. Organic LED's is only a temporary solution because it's currently impossible to make a 2160p miniLED TV, the LED's are too large.
An OLED panel is 'grown' while a MiniLED panel is "build"
The actual 1080p MiniLED Tv's in existence right now, cost a fortune.
I don't think they will be commercialized in 4K, even 10 years from now.
@@Lasse3 I don't think you understand..
Where did you come up with real miniLed being self-emissive. They aren't where are you getting that information? What 1080p displays?
Do you mean micro-led because mini led will never be self-emissive for that they have to be organic hence the saying "self-emissive" and highlights happen for fraction of a second they are instant flashing and ABL has gotten better to the point they'll probably be a different solution in the future not to mention you can disable it.
Mini-led will never give you perfect black and the ones that exist now also dimmed during highlights or suffer extreme blooming and haloing,DSE etc. Contrast is the most important part of the picture. So until micro-led which will give us perfect black and crazy high peak brightness. OLED is the way to go especially now that the color and high color volume has reached high levels of Rec 20/20 and high peak brightness.
I think you're confused about the technology that you're discussing!
@@NexGenTek He's talking about direct view minileds vs lcds with miniled backlights. Samsung the Wall is more closely using minileds than microleds mainly because the size of each LED is around 100x100 microns. It's a similar size used in the lcds with miniled backlights. A true Microled is usually araound
I know every year tv's get brighter and brighter incrementally and those with heatsinks in them allow for further brightness enchancements but what are the perks between OLED/WOLED/WRGB (all same thing?) vs QD-OLED (QLED for short?) vs Mini-LED? I just know QD-OLED has wider gamut and is supposedly brighter than OLED while lasting longer on burn-ins? Is there no one fits all TV for most things?
QD-OLED and QLED are not the same thing. The first is OLED; the latter is LCD.
1 question: can it pass the captions test in movies with letterboxes...?
What settings shoul i use to watch movies and tb shows in a briht light on samsung qn95b? Thanks
Be great to see LG do detailed interviews like this
These miniLED definitely are NOT better than OLED for movies and gaming. In a very bright room PERHAPS, but in dim\darker rooms OLED is rightly the king for now
UMMM You guys keep forgetting Dual cells its so sad. if you didnt know hisense have their Dual Cell technology which have 2073600 dimming zone (based on 1080p). Linus tested it and said it doesn't have blooming and actually look like OLED while getting LCD Brightness. Sadly Hisense cancel this product but you can still buy them if there are still remaining stock and probably cheaper than it was released
@@LeafyTheLeafBoy Dual cell LCDs suffer from high latency, low brightness and very high power consumption which means they wouldn't pass MEPS requirements in Europe and in many other countries.
@@DOGMA1138but for its first gen its really good but yes the i shouldnt said LCD brightness cause right now i just search up the brightness nits on Rtings and really disappointed and LG C1 is actually a better buy but hope hisense keep working on this TV and improve it. they could reduced the local dimming zone to 360p or 480p to reduced the power consumption
@@LeafyTheLeafBoy The power consumption has nothing to do with the resolution of the screen, LCDs already only let a fraction of the light passthrough a single cell LCD is already less than 8% transmissive, heck with any LCD 50% of the backlight is lost to the polarizer alone. Dual cell LCD's only let about 2-3% of the light come through.
It was also not a first generation technology, dual cell LCDs have been used for a long time in various applications such as medical imaging and color grading monitors.
This isn't a viable technology it would always be more expensive and less efficient than anything else on the market.
emissive technology is really the only way forward weather it's organic or conventional LEDs it doesn't matter.
The next big thing would be top emission displays which is where the QD-OLED technology shines since the fewer layers the light passes through the more light reaches your eye so you can either have a longer life span or a brighter screen than a comparable bottom emission display.
MicroLED is a dead end so it OLED both of them will be obsolete when QDEL displays would be viable and for that we need to be able to print them like we do OLED screens like now.
QDEL eliminates the need for a light source altogether and can be printed like OLED but unlike OLED it doesn't uses organic materials which means that they are far more stable.
@@DOGMA1138 Thanks for your information i guess QD-OLED And MicroLED are the future. question does QD-OLED have longer life expectancy than Lg WOLED? (less chance to get burn-in)
I think this is a great line..better tvs for living rooms. Oled is the dark room king no argument, but in ambient living rooms lcd technology is king.
That’s B.S. unless you’re talking about a very bright room. It only hides the flaws of blooming and black levels. Regardless of tech all critical viewing should be in a dark room.
Oled is King everywhere man
@@denissssss8579 Agree to disagree
I’m getting the new 65” LG QNED90 2022 version for my living room, it’s been the plan all along but it’s nice to see my prediction was right 👍🏻 Do you have a bright living room like i do, MiniLed is the way to go 💯
What was your prediction? This is just a sales rep for TCL, not a confirmation of actual real world results.
@@carlmclemore6104 Like I’m saying, perfect for my living room 👍🏻 Have a good day.
I’ll avoid LG on led tv. They always use ips panel. Garbage panel
@@BA3YDADDY That didn't answer my question, had nothing to do with what I asked actually, but have a nice day too... I suppose.
@@tizzi91able it's perfect for his living room.
Has any effort been made on the c935 firmware issues.
Whats about firmware update...can I have a website where can I find IMG or ota file..
That was a cool interview. I liked the pacing, and the information was great.
I didn't know TCL was doing so many zones on the higher end models.
If the sony a95k doesn't test well, maybe I'll look at a cheaper alternative. ;)
I returned the tcl mini led. It would look good sometimes but the rest of the time there would be a ton of artifacts. Also skin tones would have a pinkish purple hue.
I dont understand what he said about Local Dimming with vrr. Did they fixed that or we're still disabling Local Dimming on games?
Hello, I want to change the code country in the service menu to lg oled cx, will I lose the warranty on the TV?
Doesn't matter how much mini-LED technology is improved, it will never best the quality of OLED and its contrast ratio. The industry needs to focus on micro-LED technology instead - this is the future and current prices and limitations prevent it from being commercially viable. More R&D is needed in micro-LED tech.
There's still life in OLED so I don't expect to see micro led for a while yet.
🙂👍I agree sherry
Unfortunately MicroLED likely isn't going to be available at decent sizes(55in to 75in) at reasonable consumer prices for a long time. The smallest size right now is an 89in, but it costs somewhere between $50,000 and $100,000. However, NanoLED, which is more or less equivalent to MicroLED, but not quite on the same level, is supposedly going to be available in 2026 and they claim it'll be cheaper than current TV's. We'll see how that pans out.
@@nihren2406 Good info about "NanoLED" BTW, anybody else x=cited 'bout 16K tvs? I mean, Yeah!
Im glad that
Today we have summer
The problem is this shit never seems to go down in price over time anymore. Technology used to get cheaper as it aged, but it seems like now all the prices just stay the same and new products just increase the price over time.
It’s called hello inflation my dudes
@@bratanini this has been happening for years and years before the recent inflation
@@Hobo_X No not really....If you look at Tv's over a 10 year period they have only gotten better with prices coming down in just about any size category.
how does it compare against an LG c1 as they are currently the same price for the 55inch
is it better than LG C2 and Odyssey Neo G9 or Neo G8?
I still am rocking my 2020 TCL 55r635
What's everyone's thoughts on that TV? I have a Series X so the fact that my ports are only 2.0, I can only get 1440/120. But I'm more than fine with 4k/60 because as soon as I put my tv in 1440/120 Xbox disables HDR and the image doesn't look nearly as good. I guess the Xbox only allows HDR on 4k signals?
There's a 99% chance I buy the C93.
7,000:1 contrast AND less color shift AND 1920 zones AND it should work almost the same at low latency AND 4K144hz.
TCL has analyzed the enthusiast market perfectly.
@@adhom9053 I've been watching prices on the QN90A recently and right now I'm glad I never found a sale. Samsung local dimming in game mode is horrendous, and if TCL really does have the full dimming algorithm working with just an extra few milliseconds delay that's fantastic.
Before now I thought we'd have to wait to 2023 for upgrades from TCL, but as soon as RTINGS confirms everything is working correctly I will buy the C93 ASAP.
In Germany I will never buy a TCL TV again. I have 2 TCL. And I get no Updates. The Menü speed is horrible, TV Start slow. No Sky Ticket App. Why in Europe I became no Firmware Updates? That sucks. I shit on this Firma. Never again. No Firmware Updates, that's a no go. The Security Updates over 1 Year old.
Thanks! Still waiting for an 83"+ QD so all else is moot.
Specifically when you're viewing in brighter light environment - mini-LED can offer a better experience.
But still for gaming and viewing at night or in a dark room- OLED is king.
Hi Vincent what are the best settings for PS5 on the C2 this year? Thank you!
Will this be the first lcd tv that keeps full local dimming active while vrr is engaged?
im confused will TCL get VRR with local dimming on?
Hi. I had the c825 but it was damaged when I moved. Luckily I had good incurense so I got my monney back. Now Im looking for a new TV. The c825 was good but too buggy. Do you know if c835 or 935 is better? Or else I get a LG oled
Not sure on the use of VA panels but he seems confident in it, guess will see