Marty, you just made my day! This afternoon I stripped down my old Dishlex that wasn't heating water and was expecting to find the heating element dead. When the heating element tested out just fine I was going to give up and toss the dishwasher. Was doing a last ditch internet search when I stumbled across your vid. Lo and behold, my control board has exactly the same fault. Thanks for posting!
Thanks Marty! This was the exact fix I needed. I had already replaced the element, the high temp thermostat, and was about to replace the thermistor, when I happened upon a person on a parts supply review state that he replaced the same for the same issue, and that some "random internet video" spoke about a relay losing solder. I pulled my control board and low and behold, the telltale black burn mark! Resoldered and it's back in operation, albeit with new parts that were not required. I was lucky to have found that review from that gent with the same issue or I would have never seen yours!
Marty, just think how different your RUclips career might have been had "Abandoned Electrolux dishwasher in the woods for 16 years.. will it start??" been the breakthrough hit. I suspect I still would be watching, but that says more about me tbh.
"COLDSTART of ABANDONED Electrolux DISHWASHER in the WOODS for 16 YEARS.. WILL IT START?" And a Thumbnail with at least one red arrow and one red circle.
Thank you so much. This was my final attempt at a fix before giving up and forking out £400 for a new dishwasher on credit. It worked! So glad I found this video!
Six months ago, my parents threw away their Electrolux dishwasher after 8 years of reliable service from exactly the same reason. I had that circuit board exposed, but I am not an electro engineer, so when I saw that burned black plastic circle above the relay, I wanted to give it to some expert to fix it. My parents however, they wanted a new dishwasher immediately, so they bought a new one and this older one went to a scrap yard. I felt bad, because I knew it must be an easy fix. Now I see it would have been even easier, as I have a soldering station at home. Farewell old electrolux dishwasher, forgive me my absence of electrical skills :D
Nice fix! Did the same to our ISE dishwasher a while back. Something else crapped out (pump? Don't remember, been a while) and I opened it up and found a schematic with troubleshooting info! Ran it through its diagnostic mode, figured out which circuit wasn't working, tracked that back to a bad solder joint using the schematic. Repaired another bad joint for the heater while I was in there, we hadn't even realized it wasn't heating. Back up and running.
Woohoo thats awesome.. it is a common issue, some of them were light on solder from the factory. If it happens again soon, might be worth replacing the heater relay, the contacts may be burned
Nice fix and tip on the dishwasher. The only thing I know about C temps is when watching the weather, decipher C with this. 20 is warm. 30 is nice. 10 is cool & Zero is ice. From the Black Diamond Bluebonnet Ranch, thanks for the fun. 🤠
Oh my days! I was a little skeptical about this but I resoldered the relay joints and hey presto. Hot water again. Amazing simple fix. Thanks so much 😀👍
The wife complained about all the boats, tractors, industrial equipment in the yard, so Marty bought her a new house. The house was almost for free and a little bit rundown, but after changing the fluids, wires and Heather core. She was good to go My guess is it went down like that
Hi Marty, that's a well known fault on Siemens brands dishwashers also. Latter may have 3 of these relays. The solder joint is broken, because the internal relays contacts are burnt, which overheats the contacts and in turn the solder pin. The brown stain on the plastic case seems to be located exactly over the defective solder pin, which proves this statement. A replacement of this relays is therefore necessary, otherwise this fault will soon recur. These relays are industry standard types and usually cost a few bucks each, for the next decade of operation.
The solder connection directly north of your soldering tip also needed a reflow of solder for sure. I would have reflowed all the relay connections. Lots of current passing through there. Cheers.
I use my old 1980s dishwasher as a parts washer as its stainless steel inaide and the water temps set at 220f which will clean heads.valve covers.carb parts.hoses.pretty much anything free and clear of grease.oil.gas.diesel.etc after a full cycle..and it only costs about as much ad the sonic cleaner does power wise,but will clean much larger bits n pieces up to V8 heads.valve covers.intakes.carb bodies.etc.. Cheap cleaning...
@@tf7274 How does hohe sewage plant handle all the oil and grime? And nature, in the end... at least in Europe it’s forbidden as hell to attempt to do something like this.
AWESOME video, Marty! I wish this had came out about 6 months ago. We got rid of our dishwasher because it quit heating. This DIY fix may have helped save us a LOT of $$$$
@@suhailasaba1051 I'm not sure. All I know is the dishes weren't dry, & hot when the cycle finished, like they usually were. We ran er a few times to make sure we didn't accidently select the wrong cycle.
Excellent instructions! Had the same exact issue on my Frigidaire Gallery. Got it up and running again in less than an hour thanks to your video. Thank you very much!
Did the same fix on a Siemens dishwasher here in Germany about 15 years ago, worked good for another 7 or 8 years; don't know what happened afterwards b/c we moved on from renting that flat to our own house. This dishwasher was already >10 years old then and was technologically mostly the same as yours today, just more throug hole components on the PCB. Even in the late 1980s / early 1990s there already were similar ones (at least made from the same steel stampings, maybe with a mechanical timer wheel instead of electronics and less insulation). Amazingly, there STILL seem to be only two different basic dishwasher patterns for more than 30 years at least in Europe and most other 230/240V countries. Guess it didn't help that most manfacturers were bought out by Electrolux and later Heier (China). When you buy a new name brand dishwasher here in Germany, you get the "doesn't heat up properly" function as a FEATURE because the manufacturers don't spend ANYTHING on R&D concerning REAL energy saving modifications, they just alter the default cleaning program so it doesn't heat the water as much and doesn't dry the dishes properly in the end to get an "A+" in energy efficiency. Only when you turn on all "heat plus", "water plus" and "cleaning plus" features does the dishwasher work as it should, and then it uses as much energy as the ones from 20 years ago.
@@suhailasaba1051 I don't think so. Most likely one of the modern dishwashers with a lot more microcontroller integration would give you a fault code because the intended water temperature could not be reached. But this would have to be tried out to be sure. What can easily be done (and what I did to my current "energy efficient" dishwasher from ca. 2014/2015) is to plumb in hot water from elsewhere so you save on the electricity for the internal water heater which obviously has to run less to reach the desired temperature with pre-heated water. To my knowledge most of the brand name dishwashers sold in Europe nowadays are rated for hot water intake. Of course this only makes sense if the externally heated water is heated in a more efficient or cheaper way (like solar) than heating it up in the dishwasher itself. Also this does not take away the problem of the artificially insufficient drying function at the end of a cleaning cycle.
Nice fix Marty, I do the same with my electric appliances - I always check things like that, and many times I can fix the error myself for next to nothing. If you call a service guy, they'll tell you that'll cost you at least 1 billion dollars to fix the error, and you'll be better off driving it to the landfill and buy a new one, and luckily for you they have them on sale right now - you can get a brand new one for ONLY a ½ billion dollars! Who could say no to that?! 🤣
You see, this is what has been lost with our disposable mindset - the ability to fix stuff. Marty, you should start an international college to promote and train "Repairers". Thank you so much, mate.
You are the man Marty. Mine had exactly the same problem though the printed board was also burnt (not just solder off the relay contact). Thus I bridged it with a paper clip. Works a charm! Steve Jones
Just like to say Thank You! For this great video, as you have saved us a lot of time, money and waste. Had this Exact Issue and just re-soldered that terminal and now it works perfectly again. wonder how many of these machines have gone to the tip because of this simple fixable issue? Thanks Again, Genuinely Appreciate you taking the time to show this quick and simple fix. Extremely helpful. Brilliant!
Anybody else doing this fix - while you have it open, might be a good idea to solder a length of reasonably thick stripped copper wire along each of those overheating tracks to reduce the resistance.
I know that machine in particular (the European model, which has a few small differences) and on ours, the trace is already thickened (by a machine at that). So these that "burn" out, are defective units. :\
well, the overheating arises from the interior of the relays, not from the PCB tracks. Root cause in most cases is the wear-off / burn-off of the relays contacts, which increases the resistance and therefore gives rise to overheating of the whole relays contact and its solder pin. I therefore recommend a replacement of these relays.
Thanks for all your good videos . I never understand why peoples put a thumbs down on a video with information and tricks like you do maybe it's because they throw everythings do garbages without trying To have someone to repare it thanks again
similar comment to others here, no hot water in m yDW. I almost ordered a new heater, but thought I should at least give your advice a look. I was astonished to see the tell tale scorch of a burnt out solder fixing. Re soldered ...and now I have a fully functioning DW. Thank you for bothering to upload your video
Now the BIG question is, is Mrs Marty going to be happy, one of your neighbours or friends or are you going to do as I've seen one used as a parts washer. It's amazing how much of a small engine you can get in even a small dishwasher like that. Used to work on Ford Transit diesels and they had a similar problem with the heater relay which had a section of printed circuit which was narrower than it needed to be causing it to burn out so I soldered a link wire in and all worked fine I kept a repaired one ready in my toolbox because it was a common failure.
"Make sure no other components are burned..." I think I saw some bulged capacitors on that board. Bulged capacitors=bad capacitors. If the tops or bottoms aren't perfectly flat, the capacitor needs to be replaced. Fortunately, it's an easy fix. Cheers!
Well the time came. It didn't have that distinct burn mark but soldered the connection points just in case. And perfect result dishwasher is steaming again when I open it 👍 Thanks Marty
I found that sometimes you have to clean the pins as they have a weird corrosion on them, bit of flux then make sure you do NOT do a cold solder joint.
Smart fix. I wonder why the solder lead also got hot? It was slightly discolored. I would have check the filter caps while I had it apart just to be sure they were okay as well. There is a reason it actually melted the solder completely off the relay lead... In any case, good catch!
Marty stated in another comment that the boards are known for skimpy solder connections on that particular place... so in time the heat and "arcing" causes the electrical failure. Cured by resoldering the connection and reestablishing a good electrical path.
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk Hi John, I heard him state that as well. Did you notice the discoloration in the area all adjacent/opposite the soldered lead. It probably would have have been another smart move to re-solder the thin lead a bit heavier over the entire length as it was already thinly soldered. Under-designed.... :( Overheating, smoke, fire, shorting, all bad stuff that doesn't mix well with a home, people, children... or pets,
Good fix. I have a Samsung dishwasher that was having some "haunted by ghosts" issues (it would start up and run fine but halfway through the cycle would start cycling on and off and beeping like the door was being opened and closed every few seconds). Possibly caused by a cold solder joint somewhere on the board that was heating up during operation and becoming intermittent. I could have tried to fix it but the whole control module was potted in epoxy! $150 down the drain for a new module from a parts shop instead.
Was it just the camera quality or did the small one directly above it look about to let go, possibly the relay control pin. I'd touch up all the ones in that area to future proof it.
Bloody brilliant mate. Love your super relaxed style of teaching us useful fixes. Hey, is your 400 watt wind turbine you got off Ali express still working ok? Would be keen to know what you think of it. Keep the videos coming. Thank you.
Hi Marty, are you able to do one on a stove - oven not heating up properly, maybe the thermostat not working. I have a fisher & paykel one that is playing up and the wife isn't happy! I had an electrician replaced the thermostat but I think he may have the wiring the wrong way around.
Awesome, just got the same dishwasher for free, same issue too.. It also seems to be filling up and draining randomly after the cycle has been completed.. Any reason for this?
Another job well done there Marty . You certainly have a very wide range of skills . Top man . . Keep up the excellent work and content . Any more old machines of any discription lurking about that maybe need salvaged and brought back to life ? . 👍 .
Too many things get tossed when they could easily be repaired. Even if the circuit board had been smoked it likely would have been cheaper to just swap out the board.
You can only swap out the board if you have a board to swap. Manufacturers, in their infinite scum, don't produce replacements anymore after a certain period. Any board you see online (i think past the second year after end of production in most cases) is from a deceased unit OR from a group that bought these in bulk, carefully stripped them to bits, and are selling the parts as "new old stock", usually at a pocketable overprice.
Or alternatively, pour a few litres of HOT water in from the jug for the initial fat-cutting wash and then have a cold rinse. Some machines 'purge' before they fill... So, let them purge before you add hot water.
old dishwashers make great parts washers, just use degreaser liquid recycling into a barrel, if the heater still works the better as with casings with bearings the heat makes the casing expand slightly making bearings easier to press in
Trouble is... the manual for correctly and easily run one of them 'girl thingies' is so goddamn thick you're life runs out just as you finish the last page of it.
I have kept the same girl in operation for 35 years. The older units are much easier to run and replacement with a newer model is expensive and they draw too much power.
Marty, how did you know what the problem was to go directly to the relay or solder joints? Did/do you work in the appliance repair services or something? Thanks for the video.
1960s Swan dishwasher had a cast iron water spinner and a motor "over heat protection" that I had to reset for my parents this was achieved by removing the bottom DRAWS and a left hand gynaecological reach to the rear of the motor tiny little button. The machine ran for 10y after we left the public house where the machine was installed.
I think the contacts inside the relay may be burnt up causing high resistance/heat that ultimately melts the solder. I have seen that happen on microwave ovens and conventional ovens as well.
Thankyou for this video! I’m having the exact same problem with mine atm. I have removed the circuit board but the solder you are talking about looks fine. Should I try soldering it anyway?
Marty, you just made my day! This afternoon I stripped down my old Dishlex that wasn't heating water and was expecting to find the heating element dead. When the heating element tested out just fine I was going to give up and toss the dishwasher. Was doing a last ditch internet search when I stumbled across your vid. Lo and behold, my control board has exactly the same fault. Thanks for posting!
Thanks Marty! This was the exact fix I needed. I had already replaced the element, the high temp thermostat, and was about to replace the thermistor, when I happened upon a person on a parts supply review state that he replaced the same for the same issue, and that some "random internet video" spoke about a relay losing solder. I pulled my control board and low and behold, the telltale black burn mark! Resoldered and it's back in operation, albeit with new parts that were not required. I was lucky to have found that review from that gent with the same issue or I would have never seen yours!
Nice 👍
Marty, just think how different your RUclips career might have been had
"Abandoned Electrolux dishwasher in the woods for 16 years.. will it start??" been the breakthrough hit. I suspect I still would be watching, but that says more about me tbh.
"COLDSTART of ABANDONED Electrolux DISHWASHER in the WOODS for 16 YEARS.. WILL IT START?"
And a Thumbnail with at least one red arrow and one red circle.
@@Glasrandkante instant sub from me tbh right there
Or, "YoU WoN't BElieVe WHAt KIlleD thIS WaSHinG MAchINE".
Click bait comes in many forms.
How do you know how to do such disparate fixes? Simply . . . AMAZING! YOU ROCK!!!
Bed video
We Kiwis are born with a “fix it” gene 😆
Hitting it with a hammer didnt work so the next option is OBVIOUSLY re-souldering an electrical board 😅
@@siiiiiiiiiimo yes i know
He has a go .
I admire the economy of your effort, dialogue, and editing, it makes for a terrific video adventures. Well done mate!
Thank you so much. This was my final attempt at a fix before giving up and forking out £400 for a new dishwasher on credit. It worked! So glad I found this video!
I just had the exact same experience - in Australia! Glad Marty posted this vid.
thank you ! ... followed your instructions and re-solder ... works again .. i was quoted $215 for board
Six months ago, my parents threw away their Electrolux dishwasher after 8 years of reliable service from exactly the same reason.
I had that circuit board exposed, but I am not an electro engineer, so when I saw that burned black plastic circle above the relay, I wanted to give it to some expert to fix it. My parents however, they wanted a new dishwasher immediately, so they bought a new one and this older one went to a scrap yard. I felt bad, because I knew it must be an easy fix. Now I see it would have been even easier, as I have a soldering station at home. Farewell old electrolux dishwasher, forgive me my absence of electrical skills :D
Did it complete the cycle ? Or would it stop working if the water did not get heated ?
Nice fix! Did the same to our ISE dishwasher a while back. Something else crapped out (pump? Don't remember, been a while) and I opened it up and found a schematic with troubleshooting info! Ran it through its diagnostic mode, figured out which circuit wasn't working, tracked that back to a bad solder joint using the schematic. Repaired another bad joint for the heater while I was in there, we hadn't even realized it wasn't heating. Back up and running.
It's amazing how often and how many repairs can be made by simply re-soldering. I didn't know this one. Thanks!
In this throw away world we live in its nice to learn things like this
This tip helped me fix my electric oven. Exactly the same type of fault, burned solder connection, except it was on the relay for the fan motor.
Thank you so much. You are an angel sent from heaven. I just fixed my dishwasher using your fix. God bless you.
Woohoo thats awesome.. it is a common issue, some of them were light on solder from the factory. If it happens again soon, might be worth replacing the heater relay, the contacts may be burned
Have got that exact dishwasher, never let us down for over 10 years . Good to know about the heater.. thanks.
That went well bro and you got the dishwasher at a good price too. A blob of solder and it's back in business. Safe travels down your way.
I bet there are tons of those ending up in the landfill and it is such an easy fix. Thanks for sharing.
Good advice. Yes, heaters are the single largest draws on power.
Nice fix and tip on the dishwasher.
The only thing I know about C temps is when watching the weather, decipher C with this.
20 is warm.
30 is nice.
10 is cool &
Zero is ice.
From the Black Diamond Bluebonnet Ranch, thanks for the fun. 🤠
Thats about all you need to know with C and 40 is a bloody hot day
@@MartyTTrue.
Oh my days! I was a little skeptical about this but I resoldered the relay joints and hey presto. Hot water again. Amazing simple fix. Thanks so much 😀👍
The wife complained about all the boats, tractors, industrial equipment in the yard, so Marty bought her a new house.
The house was almost for free and a little bit rundown, but after changing the fluids, wires and Heather core. She was good to go
My guess is it went down like that
Wow - how does one change a 'Heather core'....
@@willgilligan7605 Just unbolt it and bolt an new one in.
Marty, again your not part of the throw away society. Bravo 👏
Your channel has helped inspire me to start my own channel I love how you get right to it in your videos
Dear Phillip L.
👍👌👏 I will try your channel out (I already put some of your vids to folder "watching later").
Best regards, luck and health.
Hi Marty, that's a well known fault on Siemens brands dishwashers also. Latter may have 3 of these relays. The solder joint is broken, because the internal relays contacts are burnt, which overheats the contacts and in turn the solder pin. The brown stain on the plastic case seems to be located exactly over the defective solder pin, which proves this statement. A replacement of this relays is therefore necessary, otherwise this fault will soon recur. These relays are industry standard types and usually cost a few bucks each, for the next decade of operation.
Yes if it does it again I would replace the relay. I will add a note in the vid description. Cheers
The solder connection directly north of your soldering tip also needed a reflow of solder for sure.
I would have reflowed all the relay connections. Lots of current passing through there.
Cheers.
Great video. Possibly run some solder down the tracks that got hot to reduce their resistance
No end to this mans talents! Well done 👏
You never cease to amaze me, nothing defeats ya. 👍👍👍🇬🇧
might make a good automatic parts washer for the shed.
I use my old 1980s dishwasher as a parts washer as its stainless steel inaide and the water temps set at 220f which will clean heads.valve covers.carb parts.hoses.pretty much anything free and clear of grease.oil.gas.diesel.etc after a full cycle..and it only costs about as much ad the sonic cleaner does power wise,but will clean much larger bits n pieces up to V8 heads.valve covers.intakes.carb bodies.etc.. Cheap cleaning...
How does the water pump handle the oil and grime?
@@tf7274 How does hohe sewage plant handle all the oil and grime? And nature, in the end... at least in Europe it’s forbidden as hell to attempt to do something like this.
@@dermitdrApe
The sewage plant copes with far worse...industrial grade worse.
Just fixed my machine thanks to this video! First time soldering a circuit board not beautiful but it works.
Nice, good job
AWESOME video, Marty! I wish this had came out about 6 months ago. We got rid of our dishwasher because it quit heating. This DIY fix may have helped save us a LOT of $$$$
When your dishwasher quit heating was it completing the cycle with cold water or it would stop at a certain point ?
@@suhailasaba1051 I'm not sure. All I know is the dishes weren't dry, & hot when the cycle finished, like they usually were. We ran er a few times to make sure we didn't accidently select the wrong cycle.
Excellent instructions! Had the same exact issue on my Frigidaire Gallery. Got it up and running again in less than an hour thanks to your video. Thank you very much!
Did the same fix on a Siemens dishwasher here in Germany about 15 years ago, worked good for another 7 or 8 years; don't know what happened afterwards b/c we moved on from renting that flat to our own house.
This dishwasher was already >10 years old then and was technologically mostly the same as yours today, just more throug hole components on the PCB. Even in the late 1980s / early 1990s there already were similar ones (at least made from the same steel stampings, maybe with a mechanical timer wheel instead of electronics and less insulation).
Amazingly, there STILL seem to be only two different basic dishwasher patterns for more than 30 years at least in Europe and most other 230/240V countries. Guess it didn't help that most manfacturers were bought out by Electrolux and later Heier (China).
When you buy a new name brand dishwasher here in Germany, you get the "doesn't heat up properly" function as a FEATURE because the manufacturers don't spend ANYTHING on R&D concerning REAL energy saving modifications, they just alter the default cleaning program so it doesn't heat the water as much and doesn't dry the dishes properly in the end to get an "A+" in energy efficiency.
Only when you turn on all "heat plus", "water plus" and "cleaning plus" features does the dishwasher work as it should, and then it uses as much energy as the ones from 20 years ago.
Would those new ones complete the cycle even in case that it doesn't heat the water at all or in case the heater is open circuit ?
@@suhailasaba1051 I don't think so. Most likely one of the modern dishwashers with a lot more microcontroller integration would give you a fault code because the intended water temperature could not be reached. But this would have to be tried out to be sure.
What can easily be done (and what I did to my current "energy efficient" dishwasher from ca. 2014/2015) is to plumb in hot water from elsewhere so you save on the electricity for the internal water heater which obviously has to run less to reach the desired temperature with pre-heated water.
To my knowledge most of the brand name dishwashers sold in Europe nowadays are rated for hot water intake.
Of course this only makes sense if the externally heated water is heated in a more efficient or cheaper way (like solar) than heating it up in the dishwasher itself. Also this does not take away the problem of the artificially insufficient drying function at the end of a cleaning cycle.
Nice fix Marty, I do the same with my electric appliances - I always check things like that, and many times I can fix the error myself for next to nothing.
If you call a service guy, they'll tell you that'll cost you at least 1 billion dollars to fix the error, and you'll be better off driving it to the landfill and buy a new one, and luckily for you they have them on sale right now - you can get a brand new one for ONLY a ½ billion dollars! Who could say no to that?! 🤣
You see, this is what has been lost with our disposable mindset - the ability to fix stuff. Marty, you should start an international college to promote and train "Repairers". Thank you so much, mate.
Theres a new 'right to repair' law coming in to the EU, forcing manufacturers to stop screwing us over.
@@jumpleadsx2 Yep, and more's the pity it wasn't always a law.
They'll still do anything they can to get round it though.
I have a washing machine same to yours and same faulted then I fixed it as instructed on your clip and it worked again. Thank you very much 👋👍
It's always a great learning experience with you! Have yourselves a great weekend and thanks again for your time and videos!
We used to have a guy named Mr. FixIt on tv. You would be an excellent replacement for that show.
You are the man Marty. Mine had exactly the same problem though the printed board was also burnt (not just solder off the relay contact). Thus I bridged it with a paper clip. Works a charm!
Steve Jones
Well done! Greetings from Russia.👍👍👍👍
Excellent Marty! I replaced the heating element and no go. I'll check the relay circuit and see what happens. 🙂 Thanks brother.
You make everything look simple Marty.
Just like to say Thank You! For this great video, as you have saved us a lot of time, money and waste. Had this Exact Issue and just re-soldered that terminal and now it works perfectly again. wonder how many of these machines have gone to the tip because of this simple fixable issue? Thanks Again, Genuinely Appreciate you taking the time to show this quick and simple fix. Extremely helpful. Brilliant!
It's so easy when you know,glad you are sharing.
Anybody else doing this fix - while you have it open, might be a good idea to solder a length of reasonably thick stripped copper wire along each of those overheating tracks to reduce the resistance.
I know that machine in particular (the European model, which has a few small differences) and on ours, the trace is already thickened (by a machine at that). So these that "burn" out, are defective units. :\
well, the overheating arises from the interior of the relays, not from the PCB tracks. Root cause in most cases is the wear-off / burn-off of the relays contacts, which increases the resistance and therefore gives rise to overheating of the whole relays contact and its solder pin. I therefore recommend a replacement of these relays.
@@DrFrank-xj9bc that is what I figure, it must be something that caused the solder to melt.
@@DrFrank-xj9bc I would replace the relay with a Solid State Relay, if possible, to reduce chances of melting of solder.
Excellent. Thanks for helping people to fight the corporate greed/product obsolescence epidemic.
Thanks for all your good videos . I never understand why peoples put a thumbs down on a video with information and tricks like you do maybe it's because they throw everythings do garbages without trying To have someone to repare it thanks again
similar comment to others here, no hot water in m yDW. I almost ordered a new heater, but thought I should at least give your advice a look. I was astonished to see the tell tale scorch of a burnt out solder fixing. Re soldered ...and now I have a fully functioning DW. Thank you for bothering to upload your video
Nice, if it does it again best to replace that relay
Thanks Marty, I’ll try this at the bach in Pohara. I noticed it last time we were there.
Now the BIG question is, is Mrs Marty going to be happy, one of your neighbours or friends or are you going to do as I've seen one used as a parts washer. It's amazing how much of a small engine you can get in even a small dishwasher like that.
Used to work on Ford Transit diesels and they had a similar problem with the heater relay which had a section of printed circuit which was narrower than it needed to be causing it to burn out so I soldered a link wire in and all worked fine I kept a repaired one ready in my toolbox because it was a common failure.
Thanks man, I would have never thought to check that.
"Make sure no other components are burned..."
I think I saw some bulged capacitors on that board. Bulged capacitors=bad capacitors. If the tops or bottoms aren't perfectly flat, the capacitor needs to be replaced. Fortunately, it's an easy fix. Cheers!
I have that exact same dishwasher! I'll now now what to look out for when it stops working 👍
Well the time came. It didn't have that distinct burn mark but soldered the connection points just in case. And perfect result dishwasher is steaming again when I open it 👍
Thanks Marty
is there anything you can't do? what an awesome tip, cheers
Useful information, that's what I come here for! Thanks Marty
I found that sometimes you have to clean the pins as they have a weird corrosion on them, bit of flux then make sure you do NOT do a cold solder joint.
And a good idea would be to bridge the tracks with heavier wire, so it doesn't get so hot in the first place...
Smart fix. I wonder why the solder lead also got hot? It was slightly discolored. I would have check the filter caps while I had it apart just to be sure they were okay as well. There is a reason it actually melted the solder completely off the relay lead... In any case, good catch!
Marty stated in another comment that the boards are known for skimpy solder connections on that particular place...
so in time the heat and "arcing" causes the electrical failure.
Cured by resoldering the connection and reestablishing a good electrical path.
@@JohnSmith-pl2bk Hi John, I heard him state that as well. Did you notice the discoloration in the area all adjacent/opposite the soldered lead. It probably would have have been another smart move to re-solder the thin lead a bit heavier over the entire length as it was already thinly soldered. Under-designed.... :( Overheating, smoke, fire, shorting, all bad stuff that doesn't mix well with a home, people, children... or pets,
using a good flux will make the soldering better
Wonderful video such a quick fix to save the machine ! Marty your the man !
Good fix. I have a Samsung dishwasher that was having some "haunted by ghosts" issues (it would start up and run fine but halfway through the cycle would start cycling on and off and beeping like the door was being opened and closed every few seconds). Possibly caused by a cold solder joint somewhere on the board that was heating up during operation and becoming intermittent. I could have tried to fix it but the whole control module was potted in epoxy! $150 down the drain for a new module from a parts shop instead.
I’m sure there is nothing you can’t fix amazing 👍
Marty, you are THE man. Thanks for sharing.
Just imagine what he could do with a Particle Accelerator and a can of Tuna...
I join with thanks, the departure of the 21-year-old Indesit dishwasher to the scrapyard has been postponed! 🙂
Was it just the camera quality or did the small one directly above it look about to let go, possibly the relay control pin. I'd touch up all the ones in that area to future proof it.
Bloody brilliant mate. Love your super relaxed style of teaching us useful fixes. Hey, is your 400 watt wind turbine you got off Ali express still working ok? Would be keen to know what you think of it. Keep the videos coming. Thank you.
Those turbines are pretty useless, better off with a decent solar panel
Thisw looks so much easier to try than replacing element.
👍👌👏 Well done again and as always.
Best regards, luck and health to all of you.
You nailed it! Mine is a different model, using a different controller but I had the same issue with the relay.
Thanks!
Hey Marty, great tip.. just curious, any idea why this happens? Looked like a pretty nasty burn but the components are not damaged..
Quite a common thing, apparently the relay solder and circuit is a bit light on some of the old models
Had to this myself a few months back really easy fix
In your case did the dishwasher complete the cycle or it would stop working ?
Excellent repair tip, well done.
Hi Marty, are you able to do one on a stove - oven not heating up properly, maybe the thermostat not working. I have a fisher & paykel one that is playing up and the wife isn't happy! I had an electrician replaced the thermostat but I think he may have the wiring the wrong way around.
Awesome, just got the same dishwasher for free, same issue too.. It also seems to be filling up and draining randomly after the cycle has been completed.. Any reason for this?
Hey Marty, my F-16 Falcon just doesn't have the same thrust during takeoff that I'm used to-think you could take a look at it? 🤔
Yet another thing you make look easy.
Another job well done there Marty . You certainly have a very wide range of skills . Top man . . Keep up the excellent work and content . Any more old machines of any discription lurking about that maybe need salvaged and brought back to life ? . 👍 .
That soldering iron looks suitable for repairs to substations and maybe bridges!
Too many things get tossed when they could easily be repaired. Even if the circuit board had been smoked it likely would have been cheaper to just swap out the board.
Can't find the parts once discontinued.
You can only swap out the board if you have a board to swap. Manufacturers, in their infinite scum, don't produce replacements anymore after a certain period. Any board you see online (i think past the second year after end of production in most cases) is from a deceased unit OR from a group that bought these in bulk, carefully stripped them to bits, and are selling the parts as "new old stock", usually at a pocketable overprice.
I always push like frist before I watch your videos because I know it’s gonna be good and so I don’t for get to push it lol 👍
Or alternatively, pour a few litres of HOT water in from the jug for the initial fat-cutting wash and then have a cold rinse.
Some machines 'purge' before they fill... So, let them purge before you add hot water.
Great tip, you learn something new every day! :)
hi, it was the exact problem in my dishwasher Maytag, not exactly the same board but the same problem, THANK'S A LOT FROM MEXICO
Thanks for sharing Marty great tip 🇦🇺👍
old dishwashers make great parts washers, just use degreaser liquid recycling into a barrel, if the heater still works the better as with casings with bearings the heat makes the casing expand slightly making bearings easier to press in
From graders to dishwashers, nice
Endless skills Marty.
Marty you find and fix quite a bit of stuff to keep it from reaching the landfills.
Hey Marty..can you show a whirlpool..doing the same thing ? Thanks
Very informative excellent channel
You do a good 👍 job Marty
“That will be $120/hr. 2 hr minimum + an extra $75 just to diagnose the problem + parts + tax”..... 👍🏻🇨🇦
Sounds about right
What is your back ground as you are very good on the electrics ?
What gets me is...how do you know all this stuff??
So...what do you know about girls? 😂
Lol.. Girls are highly complex, I would not try to fix one
@@MartyT you big girl have you tried? Lol
@@MartyT Hahaha! Too right!
Trouble is... the manual for correctly and easily run one of them 'girl thingies' is so goddamn thick you're life runs out just as you finish the last page of it.
I have kept the same girl in operation for 35 years. The older units are much easier to run and replacement with a newer model is expensive and they draw too much power.
Marty, how did you know what the problem was to go directly to the relay or solder joints? Did/do you work in the appliance repair services or something? Thanks for the video.
It is a common problem that the relay pins are light on solder from the factory
1960s Swan dishwasher had a cast iron water spinner and a motor "over heat protection" that I had to reset for my parents this was achieved by removing the bottom DRAWS and a left hand gynaecological reach to the rear of the motor tiny little button. The machine ran for 10y after we left the public house where the machine was installed.
Marty, thanks for another great video!
Thanks for another GREAT video,loved it!! !!
I think the contacts inside the relay may be burnt up causing high resistance/heat that ultimately melts the solder. I have seen that happen on microwave ovens and conventional ovens as well.
Thankyou for this video! I’m having the exact same problem with mine atm. I have removed the circuit board but the solder you are talking about looks fine. Should I try soldering it anyway?
Worth a shot, or replace the relay
@@MartyT I added some more solder and it runs like charm now. Chers again! You saved me buying a new unit
Nice, well done
thanks I will give a try my machine is working but no hot water at all
Did you guys sell your old place? That little bit of paradise to move in to the city??
No I still have it
Whew...