1:00 'Anyone watching...' Loads of people watching agreed with the judges; don't talk nonsense. I sat down with a pen and pad for both fights and scored it 115-112 and 117-113 both to Usyk. The second fight was harder to score, but I disagree with the reluctance to score very close rounds 10-10; it's fairer to do so as 'winning' by one jab shouldn't earn the same reward as battering someone. I either gave Fury one round after 6, or nothing; he certainly didn't win either fight. Please stop this nonsense! THERE IS NO STORY WHATSOEVER, only delusion and yes men.
Doesn’t really matter how many rounds Usyk won by, he still won … again. At least Moses had the class to acknowledge it despite his ties to the Warren’s & the Fury camp. We like Moses 😊
It does matter tho, because if the judges had it that far off the other way, it could have been a draw or even Fury win, and that would’ve caused outrage
@ & who says the judges had it ‘that far off’ ? Judges were spot on, even the Ai judge measuring every conceivable metric in real time had Usyk by 6 rounds.
@@chiefbrodyrobertson2950 Watched it several times, looked like the referee was stepping in to stop the fight but the count started and he just rolled with it.
Fury wanted so badly to remain and retired undefeated but Saudi ruined it for him with offers he couldn't refused, he already was making comparison with rocky merciano as the only undefeated heavyweights in history. Sad stuff
No difference between listening to Francis or Frank. Francis touched on the fact that Aj was hugely criticised by public after the first fight because of the belt throwing incident but no one mentioned that Tyson has blamed the war, calling the judges corrupt and giving Usyk a Xmas present also making statements of never getting a decision win in foreign countries plus unlike Aj who apologised when he had calmed down and praises Usyks ability, Fury and Frank stand by everything they’ve said and done. Fury has never given Usyk any credit just insults of his looks his character and his boxing ability say the first fight was like fighting a amateur and found it all to easy and lost his focus and lost 😂
I had a very difficult time finding only TWO ROUNDS to give to Fury and maybe because he was not getting clipped over and over and grabbed a sloppy rubbish punch or two more. Almost impossible to justify a 3rd round for Fury. How in FCK these people found FIVE rounds for Fury is mind-boggling.
Fury got a lot closer than beating Usyk than AJ. If you watch the fights back AJ really got schooled pretty much all of the two fights. Usyk looked levels better than AJ,
Francis is like his dad..... Fury is a cash cow but his stock is hugely down and I'm absolutely not sure he is considered as a national treasure at all...... People like Joshua but he has been found out several times.....both have been gladiators but are really way past their best....
Fury did not get slaughtered, Simon reluctantly critiqued him as he always reluctantly critiques Tyson. Simon has blatantly slaughtered AJ in the past. Massive difference in how they've been treated by SIMON. Simon is biased
I really want a special where every single one of them is sat down and asked to name the rounds they gave to Fury. Then replay those rounds and watch them try and explain WHY they did that?
There is a difference I think between close and competitive. Both fights were competitive thought Uysk won them both pretty clearly . Fury boxed well in both fights and had is moments , but Uysk said he wouldn’t leave him alone he wasn’t lying even in the rounds fury was in control of prim
Is this frank Warren son saying there's a case for fury winning both 😂😂 Man got bounced to all ringsides before being saved by referee.. This is joke media... Is Jordan related to fury 😂😂 cos man can't help himself when he talks about fury, extreme butt 💋
Holy hell, but talkSPORT is like the Ministry of Truth these days. Slow the fight down to half speed and watch it back. It's hard to give Fury more than Round 5. Usyk was busier, made Tyson miss, landed the cleaner and better shots, controlled the pace, and he bullied Tyson and controlled the center of the ring. One dude is landing combos, snapping his opponent's head back while the other guy is trying to grab behind the head and punch, tie up, and throwing singles. The judges were actually extremely fair to Tyson. More than they should have been. And no, the judges didn't whitewash it for Usyk after Round 5 (even though that's basically how the fight went). One judge gave Tyson the 10th and one judge gave Tyson the 12th. He won neither round if you watch closely. Why do British heavyweights like AJ and Fury have to constantly be coddled and the British public gaslit into thinking they've been hard done after fighting Usyk? Usyk is just better! No shame in that!
Winning by 4 rounds isn’t as wide as they think because one less round and it’s 7-5 and 2 less rounds and it’s 6-6 so Tyson was 2 rounds away from getting a draw not that wide really.
That’s totally nonsensical 😂 .. there’s no ifs, buts or maybes. If there were we could argue how close Usyk was to wining by 5, 6 or 7 rounds.. you see how daft ifs, buts & maybes are!
Not really as I’m talking about a scorecard and the fact that Tyson needed to do better than Usyk in 2 more rounds or get a result in the judges eyes. So it’s not really a super wide score as one round difference literally makes it 7-5.
@@SmokingJoe62most people who watched with a non biased eye will tell you it was very close, the fact Allen got robbed by the same judges literally the fight before is always gonna cast doubt
I think you can make a stronger case for 117:111 than 115:113 Of course he says it tho, dude has a financial benefit in a Fury win. Talksport themselves are under the Queensberry payroll
Spencer needs to shut his gobb, the second Usyk fight with AJ wasnt a split decision that was an absolute gift and its shocking they were gonna try rob Usyk.
Let's just fact check Francis there, in the second AJ fight, AJ was up on the cards going in to the 10th, so on that basis it was arguably closer than the First fights
How hard is it to understand that Usyk didn't win by 4 rounds at all, he won by TWO. If Fury won two more than he did it would've been a draw. Casuals don't understand how scoring works. 4 point difference isn't winning by 4 rounds.
@davidwilson6877 I'll have to watch again to score properly I'm just going off the official scoring. 116-112 is a 4 point difference but only 2 round difference.
People are getting confused by 'rounds' and then points agreed. I don't believe its as much because they're 'casuals' but that everyone keeps interchanging them, one says 'by four' (but means rounds, 4 more rounds) another says by four (means points) etc.
@theasianjaywalker4455 I think it's important to distinguish as a lot of casuals do watch I'm sure. Not necessarily calling them casuals but it should be explained better in my opinion.
Moses lad you better learn now and learn quick, they have just baited you there. They wanted you to say something controversial like r,a,c,i,sm mate. You done really well there by not falling for it. Get yourself some good management mate and have a plan before you get into an interview that if something is dodgy then don’t say a word and have a code between you and your handler. Sporttalk you are disgraceful for this, you tried to lead the young man down a path there you 🐀 Really disappointed in you, no wonder all the boxing people are falling out with you, disgrace. Imagine the backlash for moses here if he followed their lead and said that, potentially career ruining. Think about this moses. Don’t let them fool you a great man once sang
All the debates would be different if the referee hadn’t interrupted the fight just before Usyk was about to send Fury to sleep. Overall, after 24 rounds, I don’t think Tyson came close to beating Usyk. In my eyes Tyson deserves more criticism, especially after years of avoiding a fight with AJ and mocking him when AJ lost to Usyk. Well, now Tyson has lost too. All respect to Alexander-nobody believed he could achieve this, but he humbled the entire division.
The reason that three of the judges only gave Fury one round in the last six rounds is because Fury only won one round in the last six rounds, it was fair and accurate, stop whining because your cash cow that you can just sit back and not do any work and just take a percentage of his purses has now lost twice in a row to the same fighter he called a gap toothed middleweight 😂😂😂
Well at least when AJ calmed down he apologised for his actions and praised Usyk. Fury blaming the Ukrainian war and still saying he won both fights is a lot worse…
@alfonz1742 We all know these fans hate AJ purely for other reasons as well not solely based on his tantrum at the end of the second fight. Fury will never apologise his ego is that huge.
@@alexenache6942 Exactly that mate it’s a joke…when AJ lost to Usyk the second time he was “finished” but when Fury loses and nearly gets KO’d in the first fight and gets dropped by an MMA fighter on his boxing debut he’s still the second best of this generation 😂 the bias is sickening.
@@alfonz1742 Fury and especially Warren yeah who I dislike a lot but obviously he's a good promoter been in the game for ages but his tactics are shady they control what and what not to be said in these interviews, one phone call and all these guys get sacked, sometimes they ain't got a choice but to lean towards favouring Fury. Don't think Eddie has the same pull Frank does in the business I mean we all saw it in that 5v5 in Riyadh last year all his guys got obliterated.
Simon is a joyless freak, Francis is right they are both national hero’s and don’t deserve the hard time he gives them . Would still love to see them fight in 2025
Instead of continually going over the same stuff everyone else is going on about interview up and coming boxers, speak with Mark Jeffers. Easily should be fighting on the world stage but held back through people being scared to fight him
spencer oliver is just a pr man for joshua, he shouldnt be there. imo joshua lost both fights to usyk by a mile. I would struggle to give joshua 4 rounds, both fights combined
Francis said, Usyk nearly got AJ out of there at whiteheart lane 😂. Well... Usyk nearly got Fury out of there too, in the 9th round of the first fight, if the ref wouldnt have given (a very rare) standing 8 count.
People having a financial interest in a Fury win and UK media who probably have a business relationship with Queensberry are literally the only ones arguing about the decision. Fury only outlanded Usyk in 1 round. Come on guys
I thought it was a very competitive fight, but with a clear winner. 8-4, 7-5 it doesn’t matter. The right man won both times. Just remember Fury was definitely saved by the ref in the first fight. You cannot make a case for Fury or Joshua to have won either fight.. Moses is the only one talking any sense here.
Hello from Australia ,still on a massive high after the Jai Opateia fight as for AJ ive been a huge fan of him for years UP UNTIL he carried on like a goose after the Usyk fight ,that was it for me and AJ
According to Simon Jordan every single heavyweight boxer is an “also ran” because no one’s beating Usyk. Stupid thing to say really. Usyk could retire or drop to cruiser and either fury or AJ could easily pick up a belt again
There is a difference I think between close and competitive. Both fights were competitive thought Uysk won them both pretty clearly . Fury boxed well in both fights and had is moments , but Uysk said he wouldn’t leave him alone he wasn’t lying even in the rounds fury was in control of particularly in that first fight rounds 4 through 7 Uysk made him work , he was never able to to tie him up and lean on him like he does with other opponents and I think that was key. The second fight i would say it took Uysk a few rounds to kind of have a look a see what fury was doing and from round six onwards he just pulled away and in the end it wasn’t particularly close had Uysk by three . Interestingly when I first saw it I had Uysk by a couple but when you watch it again particularly with the audio off you can see a lot of fury’s shots hit the gloves and elbows that’s why his connection rate was relatively low in comparison to shots thrown . The last the last couple he was kind of hanging on constantly clinching and leaning , I don’t think fury is done i thought he fought very well in spots in both fights just beaten by a better opponent. You kind of get the feeling Uysk has figured fury out , fury is a huge man with good skills and a good boxing brain he’s always going to be a difficult out for anyone even if he isn’t quite the fighter he was . But can we stop with the it was a draw , fury won robbery bullshit he was competitive I don’t think anyone is going to deny that but come on
Spence aj took far more criticism because he started screaming at usyk “your not strong how did you beat me” and threw his belts out the ring like a toddler. That’s why!
That is very aggressive temporal recession at such a young age, coupled with his insane lifting numbers. I wonder if Moses might be on the roids either that or he is an absolute genetic beast! Either way will be supporting this guy supeeer talented.
interesting - judges were wrong to give the last 6 rounds to Usyk. But otoh, they don't want to acknowledge the AI stats, that were even more in Usyk's favour. So how many judges do we need? Or what kind of technology? Is there ever a point where u guys will be satisfied? Maybe all UK judges?
Fury did similar to how AJ did against Usyk, Id say AJs second fight was the best out of all 4 of the fights, to argue Furys fights were a lot closer than AJ is blasphemy
I believe Fury has took more stick than AJ unfortunately thats the world we live in we rarely give anyone praise. Both been great fighters and had memorable nights. Fury had 2 close fights with Usyk and I certainly thought AJs second fight with usyk was closeish but who really cares a loss is a loss.
@sobski you're missing the fact that you'd also have to take 2 rounds away from Usyk. So Usyk won by 4 rounds but if you're going to hypothetically give 2 of them to Tyson, that would make it a draw because you're also taking two of the rounds Usyk won away from him.....I don't want to sound like a dick but the easiest way to explain it is to say that if Usyk has 4 apples and Fury has none, you'd only have to give Fury 2 of Usyk's apples for them to have the same amount.
There still banging on about how many rounds fury won over 2 fights give it a break talk sport .now there onto moses he is are man .this reminds me of England trying to win a cup😅
The guy saying it was closer between fury and Usyk, it was more nip and tuck but he had to he reminded that fury was out on his feet 🦶 other first fight, not once was AJ being held up by the ropes in the manner fury was, I’m not sure why a month on from the fight the media are still going on about the scorecard, it’s history, done ! It wasn’t controversial, the right man had his hand raised both times, there’s so much more to talk about they than rolling out the same subjects over and over
Anyone that sees Fury winning more than 4 rounds in each fight clearly doesn’t know how to score fights , Usyk outlanded Fury in 20 of the 24 rounds and was absolutely robbed of a tko victory in the first fight .
Fury didn't clearly win any of the last 6 rounds. There's nothing controversial about the judges scoring them all to Usyk
He said fury didn’t nearly get stopped. Laughable! If not for the intervention of the judge Fury was clearly knocked out on his feet
1:00 'Anyone watching...' Loads of people watching agreed with the judges; don't talk nonsense. I sat down with a pen and pad for both fights and scored it 115-112 and 117-113 both to Usyk. The second fight was harder to score, but I disagree with the reluctance to score very close rounds 10-10; it's fairer to do so as 'winning' by one jab shouldn't earn the same reward as battering someone. I either gave Fury one round after 6, or nothing; he certainly didn't win either fight. Please stop this nonsense! THERE IS NO STORY WHATSOEVER, only delusion and yes men.
Doesn’t really matter how many rounds Usyk won by, he still won … again. At least Moses had the class to acknowledge it despite his ties to the Warren’s & the Fury camp. We like Moses 😊
The judges scoring is the issue like they said, open ya ears
spot on
It does matter tho, because if the judges had it that far off the other way, it could have been a draw or even Fury win, and that would’ve caused outrage
@ & who says the judges had it ‘that far off’ ? Judges were spot on, even the Ai judge measuring every conceivable metric in real time had Usyk by 6 rounds.
@@SmokingJoe62 I think Usyk won 7 rounds and many agree, but boxing is subjective I guess.
4:10 wtf is he talking about. Tyson got TKOed in the round 9 if not for the corrupt referee. How was it even close.
He can't upset daddy remember
Deluded like his old man...
Cope harder
No.
The ref should of gave fury a ten count when he fell against the ropes.
The ref actually caused more damage to fury
@@chiefbrodyrobertson2950 Watched it several times, looked like the referee was stepping in to stop the fight but the count started and he just rolled with it.
Close?
Even box rec shows that fury was outlanded in 11 of the 12 rds.😂 He threw more than Usyk but either missed or hit leather. Absolute idiots.
Fury wanted so badly to remain and retired undefeated but Saudi ruined it for him with offers he couldn't refused, he already was making comparison with rocky merciano as the only undefeated heavyweights in history. Sad stuff
Moses is taking and giving no shits here. Love him. 🥊
No difference between listening to Francis or Frank. Francis touched on the fact that Aj was hugely criticised by public after the first fight because of the belt throwing incident but no one mentioned that Tyson has blamed the war, calling the judges corrupt and giving Usyk a Xmas present also making statements of never getting a decision win in foreign countries plus unlike Aj who apologised when he had calmed down and praises Usyks ability, Fury and Frank stand by everything they’ve said and done. Fury has never given Usyk any credit just insults of his looks his character and his boxing ability say the first fight was like fighting a amateur and found it all to easy and lost his focus and lost 😂
The AI got it right 118-112.
FFS, English media please give it a break.
Fury DIDNT win any of the final six rounds.
I had a very difficult time finding only TWO ROUNDS to give to Fury and maybe because he was not getting clipped over and over and grabbed a sloppy rubbish punch or two more.
Almost impossible to justify a 3rd round for Fury.
How in FCK these people found FIVE rounds for Fury is mind-boggling.
You can make a case for round 10 but that's a swing round imo
@@twal-wo6yhI think fury won 10 and 12
@@twal-wo6yhBeing real, Usyk beat Fury 9-3 at least
8, 9 and 10
How can the Fury fights with Usyk be closer than AJ’s when AJ got a split decision? It’s literally the opposite. On record. 😂😂😂
Bunch of clowns 🤡.
Fury got a lot closer than beating Usyk than AJ. If you watch the fights back AJ really got schooled pretty much all of the two fights. Usyk looked levels better than AJ,
Fury-Usyk 1 was a split on the cards
Spencer mate what nonsense are you rambling once again, Itauma never sparred okolie at 11 FFS. He was 15. Sort it out
Stealing a living these guys
True, 15 is still impressive
Exactly, Spencer gets very excited and says stupid things ALL the time 🥊🥊
Francis is like his dad..... Fury is a cash cow but his stock is hugely down and I'm absolutely not sure he is considered as a national treasure at all...... People like Joshua but he has been found out several times.....both have been gladiators but are really way past their best....
4:09 he’s crazy! Tyson nearly got k’od in round 9, AJ was never getting k’od but his gas tank was nearly empty in the first fight
I gave AJ 2 rounds in the first fight tbf mate lol
We all know that Usyk joshua 2 shouldn’t have been a split decision, joshua won 3 rounds max
True
Fury did not get slaughtered, Simon reluctantly critiqued him as he always reluctantly critiques Tyson. Simon has blatantly slaughtered AJ in the past. Massive difference in how they've been treated by SIMON. Simon is biased
Shuuush ya Gyspy
It’s actually mental that Francis (a lifelong boxing man) doesn’t understand that a 4 point swing is 2 rounds.
Fury got His head clipped off him. All Fury did was punch and hold.
The Fight wasn't close at all
Usyk Battered him
@@davidwilson6877 100% Fury fans forget their man had every conceivable physical advantage H/W/R and still couldn’t cope with Usyk
I really want a special where every single one of them is sat down and asked to name the rounds they gave to Fury.
Then replay those rounds and watch them try and explain WHY they did that?
How did you score it?
If you think Usyk 'battered' him, stick to netball.
Not that it makes any difference, and my opinion counts for nothing, I had Usyk winning 8-4
Get Duke on for balance and sense
9:18 dumbest question ever asked on talksport. Noooo... his goal is to lose every fight, come on Jim ffs
There is a difference I think between close and competitive. Both fights were competitive thought Uysk won them both pretty clearly . Fury boxed well in both fights and had is moments , but Uysk said he wouldn’t leave him alone he wasn’t lying even in the rounds fury was in control of prim
A Moses Itamu and Daniel Dubois press conference would be box office.
Lol
Would not like to be in there pub quiz team
Itauma is a veritable rocket scientist compared to Du Bois.
No aj fan but aj gave usyk the harder fight.
Is this frank Warren son saying there's a case for fury winning both 😂😂
Man got bounced to all ringsides before being saved by referee..
This is joke media...
Is Jordan related to fury 😂😂 cos man can't help himself when he talks about fury, extreme butt 💋
Holy hell, but talkSPORT is like the Ministry of Truth these days. Slow the fight down to half speed and watch it back. It's hard to give Fury more than Round 5. Usyk was busier, made Tyson miss, landed the cleaner and better shots, controlled the pace, and he bullied Tyson and controlled the center of the ring. One dude is landing combos, snapping his opponent's head back while the other guy is trying to grab behind the head and punch, tie up, and throwing singles.
The judges were actually extremely fair to Tyson. More than they should have been. And no, the judges didn't whitewash it for Usyk after Round 5 (even though that's basically how the fight went). One judge gave Tyson the 10th and one judge gave Tyson the 12th. He won neither round if you watch closely.
Why do British heavyweights like AJ and Fury have to constantly be coddled and the British public gaslit into thinking they've been hard done after fighting Usyk? Usyk is just better! No shame in that!
Correct. Usyk is just the superior boxer, simple as that.
Exactly this.
Fury got punched daft in round 9 of the first fight far more and took more damage than Joshua did in his 2 fights.
I love listening to boxing experts talk about boxing. I hope TalkSport might have some experts on some day. That'd be great...
Imagine a presser with Moses and Joe Joyce 😴🤦🏻♂️
Would be fantastic to see two of the only British heavy weights that are not complete bellends in the same presser!
Winning by 4 rounds isn’t as wide as they think because one less round and it’s 7-5 and 2 less rounds and it’s 6-6 so Tyson was 2 rounds away from getting a draw not that wide really.
That’s totally nonsensical 😂 .. there’s no ifs, buts or maybes. If there were we could argue how close Usyk was to wining by 5, 6 or 7 rounds.. you see how daft ifs, buts & maybes are!
And these people are “boxing specialists” apparently
That's like me saying there's 6 million quid here. I'll have 5 you have 1. Not that far apart. 2 away from equal.
Not really as I’m talking about a scorecard and the fact that Tyson needed to do better than Usyk in 2 more rounds or get a result in the judges eyes. So it’s not really a super wide score as one round difference literally makes it 7-5.
@@SmokingJoe62most people who watched with a non biased eye will tell you it was very close, the fact Allen got robbed by the same judges literally the fight before is always gonna cast doubt
I think you can make a stronger case for 117:111 than 115:113
Of course he says it tho, dude has a financial benefit in a Fury win. Talksport themselves are under the Queensberry payroll
Love the moses comment about staying undefeated. This shows us the man is a true boxer which is great to hear
This is extremely poor journalistic broadcasting, dreadful - seeing Moses reaction, looks like I'm not the only person who thinks the same.
Spencer needs to shut his gobb, the second Usyk fight with AJ wasnt a split decision that was an absolute gift and its shocking they were gonna try rob Usyk.
A round or two you couldn’t argue?! This is Frank’s son and what do you expect. Warren’s are proper embarrassing.
Whats embarrassing is that your a adam catteral fan 💀
Looks more like the brother 😂
Super Elite Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber ✊👊
Sir Spectre leading the way as per usual
@TheLlamaKid Sir Mark = Top LAD Proper Clobber 💯 Facts
Let's just fact check Francis there, in the second AJ fight, AJ was up on the cards going in to the 10th, so on that basis it was arguably closer than the First fights
you couldn't make a case for fury winning either fight Francis is some how more delusional than old man brick top
"You could make a case for Fury winning both fights".
Geewizz, this fella's beyond saving.
Moses is a class act..💯honest good man keep it up
How hard is it to understand that Usyk didn't win by 4 rounds at all, he won by TWO. If Fury won two more than he did it would've been a draw. Casuals don't understand how scoring works. 4 point difference isn't winning by 4 rounds.
He won by at least 4 Rounds.
He clipped the head off Fury.
Tyson "hit and hold" Fury
@davidwilson6877 I'll have to watch again to score properly I'm just going off the official scoring. 116-112 is a 4 point difference but only 2 round difference.
@@sobskii know what you meant mate.
People are getting confused by 'rounds' and then points agreed. I don't believe its as much because they're 'casuals' but that everyone keeps interchanging them, one says 'by four' (but means rounds, 4 more rounds) another says by four (means points) etc.
@theasianjaywalker4455 I think it's important to distinguish as a lot of casuals do watch I'm sure. Not necessarily calling them casuals but it should be explained better in my opinion.
Old georgey doesnt wanna upset his fish eyes daddy
Moses talks like he’s stoned
😂😂
GOOD GOD GET OVER IT HE WON COMFORTABLE NOT ONCE HE GOR ROCKED . HELD AND HUGGED YEAH BUT NOT ROCKED
What is he on about? Fury was much closer to getting stopped than AJ vs usyk 😂
Joshua did that crazy speech after that 2nd fight. That's why he got ripped to shreds.
francis warren should stop watching boxing if he have it as a draw.honestly its just showing how hard for foreign fighter to win in another country
Moses lad you better learn now and learn quick, they have just baited you there. They wanted you to say something controversial like r,a,c,i,sm mate. You done really well there by not falling for it. Get yourself some good management mate and have a plan before you get into an interview that if something is dodgy then don’t say a word and have a code between you and your handler. Sporttalk you are disgraceful for this, you tried to lead the young man down a path there you 🐀
Really disappointed in you, no wonder all the boxing people are falling out with you, disgrace. Imagine the backlash for moses here if he followed their lead and said that, potentially career ruining. Think about this moses. Don’t let them fool you a great man once sang
It was not two close fights with Fury and Usyk
Spence: Please don't constantly interupt the guest like you did to Itauma
Moses is a honest guy, hope he continues this way, and he becomes a champion soon and for a while.
All the debates would be different if the referee hadn’t interrupted the fight just before Usyk was about to send Fury to sleep. Overall, after 24 rounds, I don’t think Tyson came close to beating Usyk. In my eyes Tyson deserves more criticism, especially after years of avoiding a fight with AJ and mocking him when AJ lost to Usyk. Well, now Tyson has lost too.
All respect to Alexander-nobody believed he could achieve this, but he humbled the entire division.
The reason that three of the judges only gave Fury one round in the last six rounds is because Fury only won one round in the last six rounds, it was fair and accurate, stop whining because your cash cow that you can just sit back and not do any work and just take a percentage of his purses has now lost twice in a row to the same fighter he called a gap toothed middleweight 😂😂😂
The way aj reacted after the fight he deserved all the criticism
Correct, Fury blaming the war in Ukraine as well. They were both beat by the better man on the night in all 4 fights. Simple.
Well at least when AJ calmed down he apologised for his actions and praised Usyk. Fury blaming the Ukrainian war and still saying he won both fights is a lot worse…
@alfonz1742 We all know these fans hate AJ purely for other reasons as well not solely based on his tantrum at the end of the second fight. Fury will never apologise his ego is that huge.
@@alexenache6942 Exactly that mate it’s a joke…when AJ lost to Usyk the second time he was “finished” but when Fury loses and nearly gets KO’d in the first fight and gets dropped by an MMA fighter on his boxing debut he’s still the second best of this generation 😂 the bias is sickening.
@@alfonz1742 Fury and especially Warren yeah who I dislike a lot but obviously he's a good promoter been in the game for ages but his tactics are shady they control what and what not to be said in these interviews, one phone call and all these guys get sacked, sometimes they ain't got a choice but to lean towards favouring Fury. Don't think Eddie has the same pull Frank does in the business I mean we all saw it in that 5v5 in Riyadh last year all his guys got obliterated.
He looks older than his dad but still same old bias would be so refreshing to publicly admit that usyk beat fury on both occasions fair and square
Simon is a joyless freak, Francis is right they are both national hero’s and don’t deserve the hard time he gives them . Would still love to see them fight in 2025
Fury deserves all the criticism….
Instead of continually going over the same stuff everyone else is going on about interview up and coming boxers, speak with Mark Jeffers. Easily should be fighting on the world stage but held back through people being scared to fight him
'Make a case for tyson winning both fights' Not based on fact you couldn't
spencer oliver is just a pr man for joshua, he shouldnt be there.
imo joshua lost both fights to usyk by a mile. I would struggle to give joshua 4 rounds, both fights combined
Francis said, Usyk nearly got AJ out of there at whiteheart lane 😂. Well... Usyk nearly got Fury out of there too, in the 9th round of the first fight, if the ref wouldnt have given (a very rare) standing 8 count.
I would begrudgingly watch Fury vrs Joshua but it's lost that jeopardy angle for me. Now a fight between Itouma and Usyk would be a great match.
I had it 10-2, but that was being generous to Fury in round 9. Round 5 was the only clear Fury round.
People having a financial interest in a Fury win and UK media who probably have a business relationship with Queensberry are literally the only ones arguing about the decision.
Fury only outlanded Usyk in 1 round. Come on guys
Thats why if you get a ko no score cards required
Francis Warren much respect, thank you for the incredible work last year!
"The fans" lol - he's genuinely smart 😃
I thought it was a very competitive fight, but with a clear winner. 8-4, 7-5 it doesn’t matter. The right man won both times. Just remember Fury was definitely saved by the ref in the first fight. You cannot make a case for Fury or Joshua to have won either fight.. Moses is the only one talking any sense here.
Usyk won both fights, no argument.
'You could have made a case for Tyson winning both fights' hahaha damn man the bias
A close fight can easily be won by 4 rounds, judges dont judge the fight as a whole, it's individual rounds, forever crying are the Fury team
Hello from Australia ,still on a massive high after the Jai Opateia fight as for AJ ive been a huge fan of him for years UP UNTIL he carried on like a goose after the Usyk fight ,that was it for me and AJ
Are we still talking about this?
Moses what a kid! Made a fan at the end of
Boxing was mainstream long before AJ
That's it spence blame us the British public 🙄
Funny thing you can lose every round in a close fight just depends what you like so 4 rounds is not wide
According to Simon Jordan every single heavyweight boxer is an “also ran” because no one’s beating Usyk.
Stupid thing to say really. Usyk could retire or drop to cruiser and either fury or AJ could easily pick up a belt again
Fury nearly got stopped 😂
There is a difference I think between close and competitive. Both fights were competitive thought Uysk won them both pretty clearly . Fury boxed well in both fights and had is moments , but Uysk said he wouldn’t leave him alone he wasn’t lying even in the rounds fury was in control of particularly in that first fight rounds 4 through 7 Uysk made him work , he was never able to to tie him up and lean on him like he does with other opponents and I think that was key.
The second fight i would say it took Uysk a few rounds to kind of have a look a see what fury was doing and from round six onwards he just pulled away and in the end it wasn’t particularly close had Uysk by three . Interestingly when I first saw it I had Uysk by a couple but when you watch it again particularly with the audio off you can see a lot of fury’s shots hit the gloves and elbows that’s why his connection rate was relatively low in comparison to shots thrown .
The last the last couple he was kind of hanging on constantly clinching and leaning , I don’t think fury is done i thought he fought very well in spots in both fights just beaten by a better opponent. You kind of get the feeling Uysk has figured fury out , fury is a huge man with good skills and a good boxing brain he’s always going to be a difficult out for anyone even if he isn’t quite the fighter he was .
But can we stop with the it was a draw , fury won robbery bullshit he was competitive I don’t think anyone is going to deny that but come on
Spence aj took far more criticism because he started screaming at usyk “your not strong how did you beat me” and threw his belts out the ring like a toddler. That’s why!
That is very aggressive temporal recession at such a young age, coupled with his insane lifting numbers. I wonder if Moses might be on the roids either that or he is an absolute genetic beast! Either way will be supporting this guy supeeer talented.
You would support a drug cheat? 🤔
interesting - judges were wrong to give the last 6 rounds to Usyk. But otoh, they don't want to acknowledge the AI stats, that were even more in Usyk's favour. So how many judges do we need? Or what kind of technology? Is there ever a point where u guys will be satisfied? Maybe all UK judges?
Fury did similar to how AJ did against Usyk, Id say AJs second fight was the best out of all 4 of the fights, to argue Furys fights were a lot closer than AJ is blasphemy
I believe Fury has took more stick than AJ unfortunately thats the world we live in we rarely give anyone praise. Both been great fighters and had memorable nights. Fury had 2 close fights with Usyk and I certainly thought AJs second fight with usyk was closeish but who really cares a loss is a loss.
So sad how biased these promoters are for their fighters.
Tyson got beat in both fights 😮 hands dwn he's done
Moses talks alot of sense
@sobski you're missing the fact that you'd also have to take 2 rounds away from Usyk. So Usyk won by 4 rounds but if you're going to hypothetically give 2 of them to Tyson, that would make it a draw because you're also taking two of the rounds Usyk won away from him.....I don't want to sound like a dick but the easiest way to explain it is to say that if Usyk has 4 apples and Fury has none, you'd only have to give Fury 2 of Usyk's apples for them to have the same amount.
Fury got laughed around just as much
I want an Oz of whatever Moses is smokin'. Wooo
There still banging on about how many rounds fury won over 2 fights give it a break talk sport .now there onto moses he is are man .this reminds me of England trying to win a cup😅
What , another one
I hope they managed to air out the strong smell of bull***t in the studio after Francis's comments.
I think both joshua usyk fight’s were a better watch.
The guy saying it was closer between fury and Usyk, it was more nip and tuck but he had to he reminded that fury was out on his feet 🦶 other first fight, not once was AJ being held up by the ropes in the manner fury was, I’m not sure why a month on from the fight the media are still going on about the scorecard, it’s history, done ! It wasn’t controversial, the right man had his hand raised both times, there’s so much more to talk about they than rolling out the same subjects over and over
Boxing into the mainstream, it’s been that for years. Don’t be blowing smoke up the arses, of these 2..
We have to listen to also ran a club called Crystal Palace lecture on on things he hasn't got a scooby about...
Love Moses !!!!
God..this guy is on a par with Joyce and Dubois for personality...drip
Anyone that sees Fury winning more than 4 rounds in each fight clearly doesn’t know how to score fights , Usyk outlanded Fury in 20 of the 24 rounds and was absolutely robbed of a tko victory in the first fight .
He won at least 6 in the first fight, 3 or 4 at best in the second
Well done moses
Bloody hell Phil Collins looks good 👀