Hey everyone! Thanks for watching! Ive had a few people question my ratio of og elzette and i wanted to explain a bit more. The reason i play 2 elzette, 2 astellar instead of 3-1 is the following. 1. I believe it is optimal to play 4 of the OG level 2s to avoid awkward and bricky hands 2. Elzette is amazing, but if it gets interrupted you need to hope you have exactly a lv4 like silvy to keep playing through. 3. Astellar is objectively worse but id rather see astellar + elzette than 2 elzettes in a hand. Through testing i would hate hands i saw 2 elzette, but loved hands i saw 1 of each 4. I want back up for each level 2 in case of bystials 5. While astellar loses to hand traps like veiler and imperm, it doesnt lose to Droll like Elzette does if its not your first action 6. The new azamina elzette means your normal summon isnt always your main play so you can always special astellar from hand if necessary or use it as an extender 7. It comes down to personal preference, i can acknowledge that elzette is the better card, but still only play 2. In my opinion, its the best card in the archetype behind the new elzette azamina but its not the best starter in the deck, thats silvy. I hope this helps with any questions you might have! Im totally ok with a 3-1 ratio but i personally prefer from testing a 2-2 ratio works better for me! 🙂
Agreed. I effortlessly put up Saint, Diabell, Moa, and Ilia, with Deceptions face-up in case I need to turbo out Silvera off Diabell and if I'm not mistaken, Deceptions end phase effect would trigger Moa's effect to pop 2
A couple of questions: What would bystials in the main do to the overall deck and side? What other engines can be swapped in and out (Horus, Centur-Ion, Kashtira, etc?) to become different builds?
If you're playing bystials in the main, I would consider bystial dis pater too. You can bridge from WF to centurion pretty easily, I don't think Kash works as well with this deck unless you're really worried about shifter and want backup. Horus is cool because imsety triggers your WF spell traps, but I think I prefer focusing on non engine rather than a secondary engine
Quick one,im a returner. Well,i want to be,so how expensive is this Deck? Im from Germany,if that matters. Is it cheaper than Maliss? Also,any idea for an Master Duel Profile? WANTED is limited,and i think trying it in MD with a new Account,makes sense,right?
Any reason you’re not playing Queen Azamina ? Searchable as it’s always treated as a sinful spoils card and a great free send off hallowed for the fusion summon also with the additional sinful spoils cards I like to run diabellze for a walking anti spell and another layer of disruption.
theres 2 reasons First, the deck is already super tight on space and it doesnt solve any of the problems the deck inherently has (shifter/droll). second, when you do have it resolve it doesnt vastly improve the endboard unless you're playing rank 8s, which are tough considering the extra deck space. In my opinion, it just isnt good enough right now. Diabellze, is awesome but right now the format isnt really weak to it. If runick was around or even snake eyes it would be awesome, but ryzeal and maliss dont really care about it right now
Thought about playing a Ryzeal engine? Rank 4s are super easy to make and having a backup Detonator is niiiice. It’s a bit awkward with the ratios and play style but I’ve enjoyed it and still optimizing.
I'm debating on putting Toy Box package back in but with my ratios for the witches, I feel like it does enough for the deck for searching. I play Tales at 3, but it's subject to change, and I'm also running SS of WF at 2 because it's super easy to abuse for WF effects
@MattOsheaYGO i'm still back and forth but having the consistency of an searchable archetype RotA isn't too bad and used to loop for cost of a WF effect assuming it's not Ash'd or hit with backrow removal
many players play white forest Azamina I know have cut the toy engine. I don't know why you wouldn't have Scourge of the white forest you can negate any of your opponents csrds on field and if you tribute a white forest synchro you can special summon any Illusion monster from the grave which are all the fusion
Yeah I considered cutting the top box stuff too, but it's too strong imo. Toy box + any starter is insane... As for scourge I explain why I don't play it but I like it a lot
The deck looks really good, i play it very similar, i just have question, the new st azamina looks really strong, i know that dweller is really good in this format but the new azamina is also a „mini-dweller“ cause your opp cannot target is own cards anymore, its also really good against fiendsmith, did i miss something or whats your opinion bout that card Edit: ok u mentioned it in the end sorry 😭
Damn I love this deck. I know its really good and loving it is easy but like seriously c'mon the lore stuff and card art is just so coool to not loveee.
have you even played it in tournament if so how well did it go I'll need proof of 1st place. as you said everyone's locals are different mine will have malice, Ryzeal, Labyrinth, ritual beast I think it's called the other new deck one guy plays a random going 2nd deck can't remember what it is but some cards can use your opponents for materials, there's another white forest Azamina player and he's won twice and sometimes Runick Bystial which is my worse match for some reason Runick. before the Azamina I was playing white forest toy box synchro spam and was placing in the top 3 two weeks in a row and now that its changed I haven't been able too get in the top 3.
This is the deck that I've been playing on and off since release, outside of playing fire king for a bit. My current locals has the same decks you said but no ritual beast and I definitely perform well enough to top
Understandable, I have no problem with a 3-1 ratio of elzette to astellar, but it works better for me at 2-2. Check the pinned comment if you want to see more rational
Hey everyone! Thanks for watching!
Ive had a few people question my ratio of og elzette and i wanted to explain a bit more. The reason i play 2 elzette, 2 astellar instead of 3-1 is the following.
1. I believe it is optimal to play 4 of the OG level 2s to avoid awkward and bricky hands
2. Elzette is amazing, but if it gets interrupted you need to hope you have exactly a lv4 like silvy to keep playing through.
3. Astellar is objectively worse but id rather see astellar + elzette than 2 elzettes in a hand. Through testing i would hate hands i saw 2 elzette, but loved hands i saw 1 of each
4. I want back up for each level 2 in case of bystials
5. While astellar loses to hand traps like veiler and imperm, it doesnt lose to Droll like Elzette does if its not your first action
6. The new azamina elzette means your normal summon isnt always your main play so you can always special astellar from hand if necessary or use it as an extender
7. It comes down to personal preference, i can acknowledge that elzette is the better card, but still only play 2. In my opinion, its the best card in the archetype behind the new elzette azamina but its not the best starter in the deck, thats silvy.
I hope this helps with any questions you might have! Im totally ok with a 3-1 ratio but i personally prefer from testing a 2-2 ratio works better for me! 🙂
@@MattOsheaYGO id love too see some combos and spreadsheet, really enjoyed how you explained why you went with certain cards over others ,
How you running 3 wanted isn't that limited to 1
@@jasonrobinson4924 not in the TCG... in masterduel yes
@MattOsheaYGO oh okay im assuming your going off tcg rules ?
@@jasonrobinson4924 I focus mostly on TCG, but almost everything can be applied to MD
Can certify this deck is very hard to play against optimally... especially against this guy!
He cooks us at locals fr fr
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Finally! All I see is fiendsmith thank you!
Agreed. I effortlessly put up Saint, Diabell, Moa, and Ilia, with Deceptions face-up in case I need to turbo out Silvera off Diabell and if I'm not mistaken, Deceptions end phase effect would trigger Moa's effect to pop 2
I’m watching this video since azamina is coming to master duel in there wanted is limited should you just it with one diabell or 3 diabell ?
I think 1-2-3 (Astellar, Aza Elzette, WF Elzette) is the correct ratio.
Totally reasonable! I think that ratio works very well, but I personally prefer 2-2-2
@@MattOsheaYGO 3 elzette is mandatory, it is the best card of the deck
Ich Play 3 - 1 - 3
@@rebirthofshien364which elzette?
A couple of questions: What would bystials in the main do to the overall deck and side? What other engines can be swapped in and out (Horus, Centur-Ion, Kashtira, etc?) to become different builds?
If you're playing bystials in the main, I would consider bystial dis pater too. You can bridge from WF to centurion pretty easily, I don't think Kash works as well with this deck unless you're really worried about shifter and want backup. Horus is cool because imsety triggers your WF spell traps, but I think I prefer focusing on non engine rather than a secondary engine
Quick one,im a returner. Well,i want to be,so how expensive is this Deck? Im from Germany,if that matters. Is it cheaper than Maliss?
Also,any idea for an Master Duel Profile? WANTED is limited,and i think trying it in MD with a new Account,makes sense,right?
Any reason you’re not playing Queen Azamina ? Searchable as it’s always treated as a sinful spoils card and a great free send off hallowed for the fusion summon also with the additional sinful spoils cards I like to run diabellze for a walking anti spell and another layer of disruption.
theres 2 reasons
First, the deck is already super tight on space and it doesnt solve any of the problems the deck inherently has (shifter/droll). second, when you do have it resolve it doesnt vastly improve the endboard unless you're playing rank 8s, which are tough considering the extra deck space. In my opinion, it just isnt good enough right now.
Diabellze, is awesome but right now the format isnt really weak to it. If runick was around or even snake eyes it would be awesome, but ryzeal and maliss dont really care about it right now
Thought about playing a Ryzeal engine? Rank 4s are super easy to make and having a backup Detonator is niiiice.
It’s a bit awkward with the ratios and play style but I’ve enjoyed it and still optimizing.
I haven't thought about it, but I can see why it's interesting. I just don't think they pair as well together for this specific list
@ Yea agreed but it’s there and kind of interesting. Probably not ideal though.
I'm debating on putting Toy Box package back in but with my ratios for the witches, I feel like it does enough for the deck for searching. I play Tales at 3, but it's subject to change, and I'm also running SS of WF at 2 because it's super easy to abuse for WF effects
I don't mind 2 ss of WF, but I think 3 tales is a lot imo
@MattOsheaYGO i'm still back and forth but having the consistency of an searchable archetype RotA isn't too bad and used to loop for cost of a WF effect assuming it's not Ash'd or hit with backrow removal
many players play white forest Azamina I know have cut the toy engine. I don't know why you wouldn't have Scourge of the white forest you can negate any of your opponents csrds on field and if you tribute a white forest synchro you can special summon any Illusion monster from the grave which are all the fusion
Yeah I considered cutting the top box stuff too, but it's too strong imo. Toy box + any starter is insane...
As for scourge I explain why I don't play it but I like it a lot
Awesome profile, combo video please!
@@albertosalazar200608 it's on the way!
What’s the wallet hit for this deck?
I can’t believe you’re not playing the new Azamina trap
I explain why in the video, but it's interchangeable between it and woes. It comes down to preference
Fiendsmith variant- Aphes is 100% just better than woes. But if you just play the azaminas and get stopped early you'd probably rather have woes.
The deck looks really good, i play it very similar, i just have question, the new st azamina looks really strong, i know that dweller is really good in this format but the new azamina is also a „mini-dweller“ cause your opp cannot target is own cards anymore, its also really good against fiendsmith, did i miss something or whats your opinion bout that card
Edit: ok u mentioned it in the end sorry 😭
Lol yeah what I said at the end, I considered it but space is so tight
Can I buy that fuwalos? I offer $5 plus shipping lol...
Damn I love this deck. I know its really good and loving it is easy but like seriously c'mon the lore stuff and card art is just so coool to not loveee.
Chorozo and Crossheep 💙
both are so good in this deck!!
I personally play scourge and eye of illusion for more interruptions
I haven't tested eye of illusion, but I like scourge a lot, just think the new Sinful spoils of white forest is better and I didn't want to play both
I copied this list and waiting excited for the combo video :D thx
Coming tomorrow!
have you even played it in tournament if so how well did it go I'll need proof of 1st place. as you said everyone's locals are different mine will have malice, Ryzeal, Labyrinth, ritual beast I think it's called the other new deck one guy plays a random going 2nd deck can't remember what it is but some cards can use your opponents for materials, there's another white forest Azamina player and he's won twice and sometimes Runick Bystial which is my worse match for some reason Runick. before the Azamina I was playing white forest toy box synchro spam and was placing in the top 3 two weeks in a row and now that its changed I haven't been able too get in the top 3.
This is the deck that I've been playing on and off since release, outside of playing fire king for a bit. My current locals has the same decks you said but no ritual beast and I definitely perform well enough to top
No dragoon package?
I played it a few times before the support from suda and thought it was fine, but post suda there just isn't enough space imo
Please create a combo guide video/spreadsheet
Combo guide will be coming, spreadsheet will take a bit longer since there's a lot more to do
😂😂😂😂 wouldn’t be a WF deck profile if ppl were not complaining about the Elzet/Astell ratios lol
True!
This is the first deck profile that does 2 and not three for the white forest cards
Of which ones? I don't mind seeing 3 ofs in the list but I think 6 of the level 2s is plenty
@ just the main white forest cards like Elzette or Astellar but this deck does have a tight deck list
Yeah I deffo recommend 3 Elzette - Astellar can be at 1/2/3 as preference but Elzette should always be 3 as doesn't use the normal
Azamina Aphes > Woes imo
You can bounce up to like 6 cards(including your own) vs woes that just gets beat by ash.
They are both good, but it comes down to preference, I have no problem with anyone playing 1 total of those two
From the get go I think playing 2 elzette is wrong
Understandable, I have no problem with a 3-1 ratio of elzette to astellar, but it works better for me at 2-2. Check the pinned comment if you want to see more rational
@MattOsheaYGO whatever works for you, it's just me feeling like elzette does so much
2 elzette of the white forest only wtf mate are you ok?
Lol! Yeah I'm good! Check pinned comment for more reasoning as to why
This deck sucks. It’s not “amazing” or even competitive.
Not every deck needs to be snake eyes my brother. The deck is FUN.
It definitely has the power to top events in the right hands.
it has been topping a few regionals this weekend already
Just say you're salty because you can't win against it