The Nintendo 64 - Part 2 - Review - Game Sack
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- Опубликовано: 14 окт 2016
- Episode 179 - We take another exciting look at the Nintendo 64 and some of it's games we find interesting.
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You guys honestly have the best show on youtube, I am subbed to like 100 channels but I honestly have never been disappointed or annoyed when watching one of your videos, it's like pure warm fuzzy goodness and I don't know why.
It's because they're honest and sincere with their videos
Agreed, and one day I will be able to afford more than $1 a month on Patreon!
honest bullshit metal jesus rocks is way better so is radical reggie
Retrogaming Insanity Meh, MetalJesus relies too much on his friend's collections and that one cute girl, I've seen him get stumped on some pretty well known games too.
Retrogaming Insanity you are so angry and have zero chill. Calm down man, enjoy some Sack.
I watched it in 144p for that authentic mid 90's quality!
Pretty sure N64 games were typically in 240p. :P
Sega CD Mode
@ETM Nation - Best ETM Music
Those things should already be in the video, though.
@@VGamingJunkieVT WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
matt fahringer calm down reddit pleb
i have been playing game consoles since the late 70s but the N64 did it for me i remember ordering the console and wave race the console turned up one day before the game but i went crazy running up and down the stairs in my house shouting i got it And i was about 24 at the time. And nothing has made me that happy.
turokforever007 your love for the N64 is pretty clear by your username.
were you still a sophomore in "high school"?
I wonder how long it took Dave to create that Pokemon poem.
He freestyled it
xD
It took no time at all really. Joe wrote it.
I wish.
Based on the quality, I'd say about 20 minutes.
I never tire of the "Oh hi Dave, I'm playing the [fill in the blank]" sketch formula. Joe's face when he saw the N64 graphics is hilarious.
Hey, a much needed part 2 for that "stinky ol' N64"... glad you mentioned the Goemon games without showing too much of the madness. that needs to be experienced first hand!
Dave got some bars , savage !!!
Ricma Maddafakka Raisin Baaaarrrr!!
Dom Demarco...
You guys make some IMPRESSIVE videos. Keep it up. The special effects and video editing of your work is truly notable.
Shadows of the empire... The nostalgia is real with that one
I never had Shadows of the Empire. All I had as a kid was Turok 1 and 2, Goldeneye, Castlevania Legacy of Darkness, Doom 64, and the Resident Evil 2 port
That's still a great set of games. S.O.T.E. is more of a nostalgic favorite of mine, being as it was one of three games I got on christmas morning with the system. Goldeneye would be higher on my list.
My dog passed away today. Seeing this video was the only thing that helped making me stop crying and distract myself for a while. Thank you guys for that! ♥
A Nintendo 64 video was all it took, huh?
Bro you got issues
I like Dave's humor. It's kinda cheesy, but unexpected and it's best. Like this episode when he was trying to get the Game Sack joke in the beginning. I love it. Keep it up Dave, it's good stuff :)
I believe we call it "Dad Humour" in these parts.
"The nearly impressive power of the N64" is an amazing back-handed compliment
For Majora's Mask, play the Song of Time in reverse, that slows down the speed of the clock to half giving you much more time.
I play the N64 with my 10 year old brother from time to time. He's never complained about the graphics because the multiplayer games are so fun and still hold of to this day.
"Screw you Final Fantasy 3" As you throw Final Fantasy 2 into the trash which in reality is Final Fantasy 4. You guys are art.
40 minute Game Sack episodes is what I want to see! Glad Joe didnt edit it down to like 25 minutes this time lol
Why didn't you talk about (insert game here)?
bubble bobble/puzzle bobble
Ah, good old (insert game here), it's aged very well in my opinion, a shame it wasn't featured.
Spiderman
You know what I thought was a very good overlooked game on the system? Duke Nukem Zero Hour. Sure, it took the series into third person but it's not like it was full of FPSes, either. The time travel mechanic, the raunchy humor (As much as Nintendo would allow at the time), and Duke's personality all make it a blast to play. I hear Time to Kill went with more of a puzzle centric focus so Zero Hour is definitely the more faithful of the two with a heavy emphasis on action.
2am and I'm grabbing my sack! Nice!
Never too late to bust out the sack.
iliek Just don't bust your freinds sack.
Mokemann Aha Dicks out for Game Sack?
Lets swing our Dicks for Justice
My sack is loaded with justice jizz...
The best retro gaming channel on RUclips knocks it out of the park again. Well done video you guys, your console-oriented videos are among the best of the best.
I used to watch Game Sack videos while falling asleep. Now whenever I hear the theme music, my eyelids get heavy. This is not to say I find the videos boring or anything like that, but I have programmed myself to get tired while watching them now. I always like these videos, thanks and keep making them!
The Nintendo 64 is great, but have you ever heard of a hidden gem called Sonic 2? It was for a little-known system called the SEGA Genesis. I only heard about it from my distant third cousin whose name is TRUXTON. In all caps, just like that. It's written that way on her birth certificate.
Is your middle name "Mega Power"?
James Lewis Wow, that's my distant third cousin's middle name! You must be a mind reader! Personally, I think it's a weird middle name. I mean, who names their kid Mega Power?? Sincerely, Paul Blast Processing Johnson.
Paul Johnson Omg. You're also related to Random Sack Bill?
James Lewis Yes, Random Sack Bill is my uncle, but we consider him the black sheep of our family. How could we not, since his middle name is Bubsy. I refuse to call him Random Sack Bubsy Bill. He's just R-Sack to me.
I'm out of random references. Dave has a great beard.
loos like someone got a new camera
And quickly took it back for a refund actually. Didn't like the skin tones.
That's too bad , at least the shots for this episode looked really good though
Err Moc
Not when people were on the screen.
But maybe that's just us. :)
yeah I thought the skin tones looked a little weird. I thought you have a mild sunburn on your face.
Game Sack yeah I guess I was just thinking about those mountain shots
Loving the Knuckles' Chaotix music at the end!
When are you guys going to review the Genesis!?
Been waiting for that for years!
Whenever we get to it. :)
kakashi101able same here!! And we also need a Game Gear review.
I was thinking about both NES/Famicom and Genesis too.
game sack needs more subs they are awesome
It was only a matter of time before I showed up 😬 great episode as always
I found ya!
Never stop making videos. Even if you cover every game. You guys rule!
How do you guys not have a million subscribers already? Awesome show.
My favorite part was the Sword of Vermillion music at the end.
Star Fox 64 hasn't aged well ?
Still looks good to me.
I don't like the dithered graphics that make it look like an FMV game.
The "oh hi Dave" was totally delivered like Tommy Wiseau. Loved it.
My favorite console because of the multiplayer and 4 player out of the box. So many fun times with friends.
Dave, I'll be expecting a full apology for that rhyming Pokemon Snap review.
did you get your apology yet?
I thought it was great
Miles Evans yeah exactly, I thought the same. It was actually really well done and this is coming from someone who is not the biggest fan of Pokémon out there, the only two main series games I've owned are silver and leaf green and two spin offs that was the mentioned pinball and pokken tournament. I did have a load of cards when I was younger too. But apart from that I never got in too the cartoons or films or anything and even so I loved that rhyming section
That poem was darling.
The Goemon N64 games were how I got introduced to the series and have loved the hell out of it ever since. Shame there's so many others that are exclusive to Japan let alone the fact it's under the Konami umbrella so the franchise is pretty doomed :\
Same here - I hadn't heard of that series before the 64. The N64 had some cool Japanese titles, plus I was at that age where I could start buying crap with my own money, so I was able to branch out. Goddamn shame about Konami...
AlphaOmegaSin FuckKonami :)
WE MUST MAKE GOEMON PACHINKO!!!
Anything Konami owns is pretty much doomed at this point. The only hope for Castlevania is Bloodstained, hopefully the game can stand on its own.
+Game Sack I can't tell you how much I love the way your videos almost always go for longer than 20 minutes. It's great you put so much content into every video!
After so many years and you guys still put a lot of effort in each episode. That's way this is my favorite channel. I specially loved Quest 64 and Pokemon snap reviews
Doom 64 is a must have for the system. Rather than yet another port of the PC game, you get something completely different.
Doom 64 sucks, I'll never understand why people claim to like that game so much
Arcade Perfect if that’s what you think
When is the system overview episode for the Sega Genesis, coming? I figured Joe would have done it by now. The Sega Saturn one is my personal favorite episode you guys have done. Thanks for all the great work you two always do!
Starfox 64 is the one that gave us the famous "Do a Barrel Roll" meme!
[In response to the Pokemon Snap review] Thank you, Dr. Seuss!
Watched all the episodes of Game Sack, make more guys, the show is just unique ! The mix of talking but more important showing the games and systems with both of your comments is just super. Best greetings from Belgium, Paul
I had more than a few multiplayer battles on my N64, which was a big reason I liked the system. GoldenEye, Perfect Dark, No Mercy, Mario Kart, CBFD, Starfox and Battletanx were all great multiplayer games. Winback was a really underrated title, as well. Thanks for the Waverace and Shadows of the Empire love. I remember being so blown away being able to play the snowspeeder scene from Empire in the beginning. Very good second take on the N64, guys. \,,/ Now, how about TG-16/Gamecube second parts... please.
I always felt that your first N64 video was one of your weaker ones, since you basically just reviewed a bunch of random racing games and skimmed over the more interesting titles in the N64 library. (not to say that racing games can't be interesting, but there was certainly a lot more to the system than that)
This time, however, you reviewed a much better variety of games and gave each one the attention they deserved, so it was a sorely needed improvement.
seanmyster6 Agreed. TG-16 and Gamecube are begging for a part 2 as well.
moviemetalhead My mom is begging for a part 2. Can you help her?
Ryan Amberger To last night? By all means. I like cougars.
That Dr. Seuss bit during the review for "Pokémon Snap" made me smile for sure. :D
"EXCITEMENT DOESN'T GET MUCH MORE EXCITING THAN THIS!" might be my new favorite quote.
LOOOOL The Bill Cosby part XD
I love that Dawn of Ys poster and I also know it's very expensive these days.
I'm also interested in buying an N64, eventually. Many interesting games on it.
NERO the Falcom Fam Well get ready to pay the premium as N64 games aren't as cheap as I remember them being when I bought most of my collection, as something common like Super Mario 64 usually goes for 30 bucks whether retail, or some rando seller at the Flea Market who thinks they have "GOLD".
I'm more interested in playing games on real hardware than collecting, so if they end up getting too expensive I can use flashcarts or if there is none, that one unit that can be used to pirate.
It'd be nice to be able to collect some games though.
NERO the Falcom Fam I honestly would go with the Flash Cart route, or an emulator to try out the games first, so that you can make a list of what games would be worth getting, then see if the prices aren't too insane for those games.
Well yeah. If a game is too expensive and I'll play it on a flashcart but like it a lot, I might want a real copy.
Rogue Squadron has an infamous easter egg: If you type in an absurdly long, random password, you can unlock a Naboo fighter. The code was released after Episode 1 came out, and people were freaking out after all the secrecy surrounding the movie that this was hidden in a game released over a year before the movie hit theaters.
Lol @ the look on Dave's face when Joe says he's playing an N64. That was awesome.
Honestly, I am also getting sick of the current trend of games having to be more and more realistic. I know it is because modern consoles are capable of immersing us in a world that seems more and more life like, giving us possiblities we never thought possible. I mean when I first saw the PS2 I was astounded at the level of real life graphics. But there is a limit, as to when it gets too real and doesn't feel like a game anymore, but more like a real-life simulator that limits you, because it has to feel real, rather than make you feel free.
I agree!! I love that pixel, retro, cartoon/anime look of games from yesteryear!!
+PikaLink91
Simply stay with Nintendo consoles. Their graphics capabilities haven't improved significantly since the N64. Should be perfect for your needs.
Frank Schneider Thanks, I will. And it is. Or rather, I got the best of both worlds.
Frank Schneider True
"You just gotta be careful because it's real easy to FALL OFF THE LEEEEEEEEEDDDDDDGGGGGGGEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!" That was the funniest saying I have ever heard.
Toad yelling "Yer!" is probably the cutest thing ever.
The "Impress Your Friends" skits have always been some of the best Great job.
Can we have a series episode with Castlevania? I know we've covered a lot of them but I love series episodes because they show the development of the games. And you get to play pachinko at the end of the episode! :smiley
Gatchaman UK You're right. Just like their Double Dragon episode, cover all of the different console versions.
i like game sack
I like turtles
chris luciow I like trains
RockmanSam I once rode a turtle when I was six. I like turtles too.
Abbey McNeill SWEET!!(^v^)
Love the incorporation of the Space Station Sillicon Valley music. Recognized it immediately and brought a smile to my face.
Love that Pokemon poem Dave!
I adored N64 at the time, but almoat none of the games hold up.
Why don't these two have more subscribers? :\
4K 60? Who would've expected Game Sack to be at the front of the technological frontier on RUclips? Then again, your videos are always very professionally made, so I suppose it's not unexpected!
I don't know why, but the recurring console sketch gets me every time. Even in 4K!
Wow how large was this 4k 60 fps video when you uploaded it?
29 GB.
232000 Mega Power
Nintendo 64 is not a video game console; it's a fog machine.
classic gamesack. absolutely loved this episode and, as usual, found a couple gems to add to my collection. you even added a new episode to my favourite gamesack ends series! thanks for a great evening mates
I immediately noticed the improved video quality. I'm glad you guys got some newer equipment. Don't ever stop making videos!
Screw you Final Fantasy III! *Drops FFIV in the bin. Ha! This is an obvious troll. I love these blokes!
YEAH BUT DOES IT HAVE BLAST PROCESSING?!?
8:30 always nice to see Ron Jeremy pop up in a game! :)
The final boss of that game is his dick.
Great video, I love all the reviews you guys do! I’ve really gotten into some great games I never knew about thanks to you guys, and being educated with the consoles history and such, I learn so much! Best video game channel on RUclips hands down!
I like this N64 episode more, there were lots of interesting
games that I’ve wanted to play. The N64 is one of my favorite game consoles.
Interestingly right before this episode I started playing Mystical Ninja
starring Goemon. I was debating between Mystical Ninja starring Goemon or
Castlevania 64. I’m planning to go into Castlevania 64 with the mentality of an
action-adventure game rather than a classic Castlevania game similar to Mega
Man 64 relative to classic Mega Man series.
Could you guys do an episode on urban open world games? There
are many urban open world games today such as Watch Dogs 2 and Mafia III, but
bonus points for games made before or during the release of GTA III (Oct.
2001). Some examples include (some may have already been covered):
-Headhunter, Metal Gear-ish game set in future city similar
to LA (Dreamcast (PAL) Nov. 2001)
-Omikron: The Nomad Soul, Quantic Dream (Developers of games
like Heavy Rain) game set in a futuristic city (Dreamcast June 2000)
-Midnight Club: Street Racing, urban racer set in London and
New York (PS2 Oct. 2000)
-Midtown Madness 1, 2, and 3, urban racers set in Chicago
for MM1, London and SF for MM2, and Paris and Washington D.C. for MM3 (PC May
1999, PC Sept. 2000, Xbox June 2003)
-Shenmue 1 & 2, free roam in Japan and Hong Kong
respectively (Dreamcast Nov. 2000)
-Takeshi’s Challenge, known to be a bad game
where you can free roam in Japan, interact shops, and beat up any pedestrians
including gangs and even your own family. It is kind of unbelievable that it
was a Nintendo game during the 80’s that consist of domestic violence. It even
got a Nintendo Seal of Quality (not that it means much). Might require English
patch for full enjoyment (Famicom Dec. 1986).
Star Fox 64 still awesome on N64 :( .
Masato Huehara It's though it slowdowns way more than I remember.
g1nobleteam I have the expansion pack don´t know if make a diference but it´s still my favorite version. Love to finish with 1 live.
Masato Huehara It doesn't take use of the expansion pak, as it predates it. Though the 3DS version is the main reason I notice the occasional slowdown in the original version.
g1nobleteam never saw the 3DS version. Have more stages? The game is more fast? I have to buy the 2DS sometime to see this version, seriously I love the SF 64 haha.
Masato Huehara The 3DS version is the same game, no new stages, but it looks a lot better than the original, and plays smoother due to the bump in framerate. It alongside Ocarina of Time, and Majora's Mask 3D are fantastic versions of N64 games.
In 4K the fog looks AMAZING!!!!! I thought I was watching an 86.95 bit system. And Dave killing it on the Mic!!
I like how Dave rhymed through his review of Pokemon Snap.
Hearing it for the first time made me say, "Holy crap!"
And that voiceover guy from F-Zero X is the best. #shamelessplug
I remember you.
ummm. Body Harvest is a Precursor to GTA. Made by the same developers.
I'm glad you guys brought up the Doctor V64 backup copiers because not alot of people/fans of that system probably didn't known about those ever existing before.
In 4k we get to see every richly detailed bit of blockyness the 64 had to offer. Totally awesome!
Still no respect for Golden Eye, the FPS shooter that started it all
IFM who cares the controls have aged poorly
Matthew Keys I could say the same for half life’s graphics
i kinda liked the 64. But the snes is still king for me.
The SNES rocks!! But, my personal favorite is the "PSONE" followed by the "Nintendo DS/3DS" ^^
the Super Nintendo IS a king of consoles. It even stands up against the PS2, another champion amidst the systems. Both have tremendous library of games from all genres, several pushing their console's hardware, and had a long enduring shelf life.
The Pickles Super Nintendo is still king in my book.
The Pickles still playins PS2 today
Wim Boeren true, SNES is amazing but i prefer the Gamecube better. It has some incredible games (specially F-Zero GX and Rogue Squadron 2, i was blow away when i see these two the first time in my life).
to be fair Conkers Bad Fur day is pretty cheap for being one of the most expensive N64 games, the only one that I think would be more pricey is Clayfighter 63 1/3: Sculptors cut
Great acting by Dave in this one. I loved the way he did the flip off motion.
I noticed a red spot on Joe's forehead, you okay dude?
Just fine. Camera we used kinda sucked. Picks up stuff like that like a mofo.
Game Sack LOL.
Blake Ivory They probably shot the video right after Dave hit Joe over the head with the PS4 controller.
Joe just has moody skin, there's nothing wrong about it.
Its totally because Dave and what he did in the skit at the end :P
Spoiler alert: It still sucks
Want to thank you both for putting these episodes out there. Now that I finally got my emulation PC built I can really check these games out. I ended up with a massive list of 100s of games to try, do to your episodes, since I had no emulation set up for 2 years and thats how I play these games. Got alot of shit to catch up on for sure. The list became too big to sort, so now Ive been checking alot of these episodes again. Its a huge help and very entertaining.
Hello friends, thank you for the new episode. Although I have to admit that I have little love for the N64 I am always happy to learn more about a console and its games.
This summer I bought a 4K television to which my gaming PC is hooked up - it seems like more and more people have their PCs in their living rooms. Anyway, I immediately noticed the superb quality of this video and was about to check if the video is in fact in 4K, however, shortly before I got to that you said so in the video. I like it a lot, so thank you for the upgrade!
The 64 is actually my least favorite Nintendo system. No RPGs. But, it does have some of my favorite games.
Oh, and Hybrid Heaven is a true hidden gem. I had a blast with that one.
Agreed (though I never played Hybrid Heaven).
No RPG's? I saw at least 3 in this episode.
No good ones. Aidyn's Chronicles is just ok, Quest blows, and I never cared for the Ogre Battle games. Considering the caliber of RPGs released on the SNES, I just never care for the 64.
I always forget about Paper Mario, since it's so different from most RPGs. It is damn good, though.
No RPG's, no shoot em ups and a bunch of mediocre racers - it's really a pretty lame system.
Thumbs up if N64 is better then Wii You!!!!!!!!!!!
*Wii U
***** I get around. Such a lust for gaming! Whoooooo?!
sorry silent bob, you are quite humorous on your videos but even the failure known as the wii u is better than the n64, in my opinion off course
That's not the real silent Rob. just a sub fan
Black Metal Gamer silent rob is still pretty funny though
Thanks for putting the music used in the credits, i'm always discovering a remix/arrangement I hadn't heard before.
Thank you for your hard work Joe, Dave and Jen! Great episode as always :)
I actually don't like the N64 very much. That generation of consoles is probably my least favorite. I much prefer the 16 bit and 8 bit consoles and the generation that included the PS2 and Xbox.
I like 5th generation consoles especially PS1.
I liked the generation at the time, but I find a majority of the games incredibly hard to go back to, probably because it was early days of 3D and a lot of the games just show their age so much since 3D games have developed.
2D games and slower paced RPG's on the systems I can still go back to though. There was already a standard for 2D games so it was usually only visuals that may have aged and those RPG's didn't really suffer much since even a bad control scheme wouldn't harm the experience much since all they really were was walking around and cycling through menus.
32bit is where it's at!
Ps1 rpgs were where its at for me.
Kyle Laurent me too it's because this was the first 3d generation and companies weren't that familiar with it! But the following generation is were programmers finally got the hang of it! :)
9:10 THAT'S FF2. UNSUBSCRIBED.
Great as always. N64 had so many ugly games.
they also said lunar 2 and I seem to have seem ramus in the cover which would indicate lunar 1
Mike D
There was a lot of cash in that trashcan.
Mike D
Matthew Montalvo
time to go to bed, I need plenty of sleep to finish 4 essays tomorrow.
oh wait,
Gamesack uploaded a new video,
that dreams gone
These guys deserve more views. Best retro gaming channel
I've bought a Saturn and a N64 over the last year as I missed out on both at the time - anyways I can't tell you how impressed I am by the Saturn. Meanwhile the N64 is garbage - it's library is awful.
Internet, please do read this comment if you want to be triggered...
I think Ocarina of time sucks, it's not for everyone, and it's a bit too slow for me.
chill man, being wrong isn't anything special.
23:49 that view is so you can see where your landing when using the jetpack, very handy actually.
i love that jj abrmas esque lens flare on the controller ports in the front shot of the console. 👌👌 10/10
>"Screw you Final Fantasy III"
>Puts Final Fantasy II in the garbage.
Terrible, just disgusting Gamesack. Despite your fantastic videos, and enjoyable content I'm unsubscribing because you've lied to us all. How could you?
Cuz maybe I didn't wanna put it in the garbage for realsies?
Still, a bit of an oversell on Quest 64. Now if it was Megaman 64...
Haha so was I.
I like the N64 better than the PS4
I bought the N64 the day it was released in this country. I remember being completely blown away by just how good Mario 64 was and there was absolutely nothing comparable to it on any home console at the time. Most of the first party games were excellent and the best games were light years ahead of what anybody was doing at the time (a bit like how Sega's '80s super scalar games were far beyond what anyone else was doing in the arcades). However, most of the third party games were crap and there were some really big holes in the N64's library (no good 3D beat 'em up to rival Tekken, only one good JRPG in my region). The release schedule was also incredibly pallid: There would typically be one incredible game released every other month (usually developed by Nintendo or Rare) and a smattering of mediocre (third party) ones.
For me, the N64 occupies a fairly strange territory: On the one hand, the best games on the system were landmark titles right at the cutting edge of gaming (Mario 64, GoldenEye 007, Zelda: Ocarina of Time, Star Fox 64, F-Zero X among others), but on the other the library was small and there was an awful lot of chaff. I would say that I definitely had more fun with other consoles (SNES, Mega Drive, PSX and PS2), but the best games on the N64 are some of the best games I've ever played.
The RDP's color/alpha combiner, basically a limited programmable graphics pipeline, was quite ahead of its time with fixed function being the norm otherwise until the GeForce 3 introduced pixel/vertex shaders. You could really pull off some nice effects with it if used properly. Some commands were up to the devs, but global commands existed to do everything basic. Programmers couId expand on the graphical capabilities by writing their own uCodes, basically sets of commands which set up the GFX FIFO. This is the story behind Factor5 - they wrote sophisticated custom uCodes to expand on the globals, and indeed pulled off some nice stuff as a result. Nothing I'd say, however, that couldn't be done with an existing uCode, such as Zelda's Fast3D EX2.
The color combiner is a global function, and I wrote a color combiner editor within my Zelda 64 editor, and if you properly choose colors/alpha channels to blend (the equation is fixed unfortunately [colorA - colorB] * [colorC + colorD], ABC and D are the programmable portion - you can have colorA the color of texel0, or the currently stored primitive color (if in pipeline of course, you can choose between 16 potential color sources to blend), same for alpha, easily emulatable with a fragment shader of old), you can do some really neat things. Its highly optimized vertex/normal/color storage as well as efficient 64-bit bytecode commands which used each 56 bits (first 8 are cmd ID), or a combination thereof, to define the pipeline setup, it's a shame more devs didn't do pretty things with it. I suppose they did in a manner, since it trivialized things like geometry sorting for alpha, and practically every other graphics function that had been a pain to implement previously. CBFD is a wonderful example of the RDP used absolutely expertly.