If this is between Wairoa and Napier, I was on the train as part of the service crew. The problem was that we had one carriage too many. The driver was brilliant.
What a great spectacle and a example of what a great engine driver he is. Matamau the highest point in the railway line between Dannevirke and Napier, Many great memory’s of attending the local school and watching steam trains approach the over bridge at Easy Street.
It never fails to amaze me the range of ignorant, uninformed comments that arise from rail fans who comment on engines having a hard time. The sand appears to be working fine but sometimes it is just enough to stop slipping. The driver did bloody well to keep her moving. Steam Inc is a very professional organisation who keep their equipment in top condition. Sometimes, despite your best efforts, shit happens. And yes, I have been there done that.
Get knowing that a Diesel Locomotive is not propulsioned by a Diesel engine. It is propulsioned by a electric engine, where this is feeding by a Diesel engine.
I had to look it up as there isn't much info on this video. New Zealand standard gauge? Quite the sight. I cringe for the engineer every time the wheels slip, but he made it!
I'm curious, so if this happened again, if they had on this trip Ka942 and Jb1236, with Ja1271 would that be able to overcome the Wheel slip of the slippery tracks...?
So I guess your an expert on these matters...? I totally disagree with you btw. I think he did bloody well considering several times coming to a complete stop.
All the later NZR steam locomotives were "free steaming", able to maintain speed on steep grades by running at full throttle continuously. That also meant they were all "slippery", which made them tricky to handle on greasy track. This driver was doing OK for the conditions: I suspect that sand was in short supply as well, as there's no sign of the characteristic "dust cloud" at track level..
NZ gauge is 3ft 6in, loading gauge is also quite small, a result of economic factors when the railway system was being built in the 1880's and some of the rugged terrain that has to be negotiated. As such our engines are small compared to what you have in the US, the Ja class are only 110 tons for example, but they do perform very well particularly when the have a driver (engineer) who knows what he is doing. In this case I think the driver was a bit out of his depth.
If that was a diesel would use sand operated by a button in the cab.Releasing sand from 6 sand boxes onto the tracks. With goods trains used to do what was called double banking. Split the train in half take some of the wagons to the next nearest station and return for the rest. Did this once before on the scargill bank in the north Canterbury hills. There was also a earlier method if there were 2 locomotives working.
No dry sand in the first dome behind the funnel??? Didn't anybody check there was any before the loco left the depot?? Driver? Fireman? Any one of the "Team"? Get one of the cab "riders" out placing pebbles....(Aww, gee, would that work? ) Some bloody "Enginemen".
Yes sand and sander operation is checked before entering service, Would be foolish to leave the depot without it! If you know your "J's" look in correct spot at 4.46 and you can clearly see sand being laid onto the rail head..
The steam of these heroic Braves is making my phone puff to keep up I love them.
She did bloody well to get up the hill in those rubbish conditions with no sand. Full credit to the driver on that one
If this is between Wairoa and Napier, I was on the train as part of the service crew. The problem was that we had one carriage too many. The driver was brilliant.
What a great spectacle and a example of what a great engine driver he is.
Matamau the highest point in the railway line between Dannevirke and Napier, Many great memory’s of attending the local school and watching steam trains approach the over bridge at Easy Street.
Driver knows his stuff to keep going with so little adhesion!
Great video, thanks for sharing
Good video of a very good driver he deserves a pint. patience pays off with steam.
As the Driver stood on Edwards footplate dropping sand by hand well done boy you got them you got theme!!!!!!!!!
What an awesome video, very lucky to be in the right place at the right time, thank you for sharing.
I love the wheel slip. Thanks for sharing
It never fails to amaze me the range of ignorant, uninformed comments that arise from rail fans who comment on engines having a hard time. The sand appears to be working fine but sometimes it is just enough to stop slipping. The driver did bloody well to keep her moving. Steam Inc is a very professional organisation who keep their equipment in top condition. Sometimes, despite your best efforts, shit happens. And yes, I have been there done that.
wait a minute this is a new zealand locomotive
Great spectacle.
1250 Operations No it's called weather conditions.
Driver did well considering the load, gradient and conditions. To have been rescued by a diesel would have been a defeat...
Get knowing that a Diesel Locomotive is not propulsioned by a Diesel engine. It is propulsioned by a electric engine, where this is feeding by a Diesel engine.
I wonder if the driver used the sander a lot, or if it was just too much for 1271
I had to look it up as there isn't much info on this video. New Zealand standard gauge? Quite the sight. I cringe for the engineer every time the wheels slip, but he made it!
Hi. New Zealand is 3’6”. What you would call narrow gauge. It is also known as Cape gauge, which I assume is a South African reference.
I'm curious, so if this happened again, if they had on this trip Ka942 and Jb1236, with Ja1271 would that be able to overcome the Wheel slip of the slippery tracks...?
An additional al loco would certainly have helped with the load, main problem was the track conditions.
@@kjksteam cool as just curious 😊
where was this ...I know its NZ just dont recongize where
Just coming off the Matamu viaduct north of Dannevirke.
thanks for reply cheers
was she out of sand?
I'm straining
So I guess your an expert on these matters...? I totally disagree with you btw. I think he did bloody well considering several times coming to a complete stop.
All the later NZR steam locomotives were "free steaming", able to maintain speed on steep grades by running at full throttle continuously. That also meant they were all "slippery", which made them tricky to handle on greasy track. This driver was doing OK for the conditions: I suspect that sand was in short supply as well, as there's no sign of the characteristic "dust cloud" at track level..
NZ gauge is 3ft 6in, loading gauge is also quite small, a result of economic factors when the railway system was being built in the 1880's and some of the rugged terrain that has to be negotiated. As such our engines are small compared to what you have in the US, the Ja class are only 110 tons for example, but they do perform very well particularly when the have a driver (engineer) who knows what he is doing. In this case I think the driver was a bit out of his depth.
Every single person who has ever driven a loco has had this problem. He skilfully got the train up the hill. He was hardly out of his depth.
Now if this was a Diesel it would never make it.
If that was a diesel would use sand operated by a button in the cab.Releasing sand from 6 sand boxes onto the tracks. With goods trains used to do what was called double banking. Split the train in half take some of the wagons to the next nearest station and return for the rest. Did this once before on the scargill bank in the north Canterbury hills. There was also a earlier method if there were 2 locomotives working.
No dry sand in the first dome behind the funnel??? Didn't anybody check there was any before the loco left the depot?? Driver? Fireman? Any one of the "Team"? Get one of the cab "riders" out placing pebbles....(Aww, gee, would that work? ) Some bloody "Enginemen".
Yes sand and sander operation is checked before entering service, Would be foolish to leave the depot without it! If you know your "J's" look in correct spot at 4.46 and you can clearly see sand being laid onto the rail head..
Putting ballast on the train is not allowed. Stop abusing the driver, who did after all get the train up the hill.
In UK we put a diesel on the rear to give some back up when required. Super effort by the driver and all concerned.
I don't think the driver has any finesse with the engine. No control IMHO...?