HARD TRUTH: Why some artists stay broke and others don't
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- Опубликовано: 10 янв 2024
- This is how you will earn more than 90% of artists and how to not to be a broke artist anymore. This video will teach you real things you can do right away and adjustments you can start making today to have better art pricing, a better approach for your art business, and how to become a successful artist. You deserve wealth and success, and I want to help you get there.
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00:00 Why some artists are broke and others aren't
Its honestly disheartening when i saw an amazing artist charge like 10-20 dollars when their artworks worth is so much! They are so skilled. 😢
being skilled doesn't mean it has worth.
If anything it isn't disheartening, It's obvious.
YOU have to make your art a product, It's not up to the consumer to not pay 20 dollars.
A baby scribble and the most high end portrait has the same value, but the money value is something else.
Artists themselves are their own problem as art has now become a mass market VS in the past only a few could even afford to or make time to practice art.
Art has never been about money
@Redcloudsrocks where did you hear this philosophy or how did you arrive at those conclusions? Are those your own self- limiting beliefs?
If you we win, we all win. A very rare and worth mindset. I hope you keep winning
Thanks for agreeing! I'm all sincerity on that. Have you noticed how most art business advice video is highly cryptic and secretive? I'd prefer us to be more open and help us all do better
Imagine Ai users asking for more on only one commission; while YOU, the real and better artist, undervalue your worth.
For me, you need to find the right client, not just somebody who can't really pay you and doesn't know anything.
but how to find the right client and where to find it?
I have tons of videos on that topic
That’s the BEST mindset! So proud of you for realizing that and how much success it’ll bring you 😁
It's hard to believe for me, you have so little attention here. I think, it's one of the top, super valuable art channel.
That’s so kind of you to say so! Thank you 😁 what was the best thing you learned in this video?
@@TheArtMentor It may sound stupid, because it's so obvious, but I should have never quit, no matter how low I feel about my art. Also, helped me to create my daily schedule, to make sure I have time for practicing almost every day.
Perfect points, I'll send this to my art peeps! Thanks
Glad to hear, and thank you! What was most valuable for you in this video?
That art in the bg is lit! 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Oh thanks so much! I'll put it up on my DA very soon :)
I just assumed some people are just better at marketing themselves.
Most people would as well, so what did you learn actually makes you better able to market yourself after watching this?
Thanks bro
my pleasure! What did you enjoy the most in this video?
@@TheArtMentor probably the chraging to little, it feels like the most obvious in hinesight, but i was absolutely convinced it was a great idea and i should even have specials where i dont even charge - glad i woke up to that lmao
I follow you since... today an hour ago, your last video. And i loving it so far. keep the good job.
To this topic I could generalize and say it works everywhere. Lets say a person want a girlfriend. But not just anyone, has to be attractive to that person and has to love him deeply.
To that extend (im not english native btw) you need to practice, vet the bad dealers and say no. So video say: go specific, niche, get accustomed and learn to say no.
A con artist is able to recognize their victim (bad person). A troll is able to troll in comments. And sure you cannot ever reply to those, especially if they are stupid enough, they being stupid all their life so they have practice, dont down to their level (comes to my mind when you said dont cheap yourself).
Welcome to my channel, and I'm glad to have you here! You're very accurate in that analogy. It's better to make yourself more appealing for the best match rather than be desperate, isn't it?
Great video! These tips are just what most artists need to get unstuck.
Here's how I tackled the freelancing chaos: I got myself an agent. I work exclusively with companies, publishers, and studios - big or small, just gotta be organized and legit. I don't take commissions for individuals, only for companies. This approach has worked like a charm for me.
That's definitely one majorly awesome feat! Wanna share some advice for us on how and where you go about getting an agent?
@@TheArtMentor I believe the best approach is to create a focused portfolio (the obvious answer). For instance, if you aspire to be a comic book interior artist, avoid sending pin-ups, etc. Tailor your portfolio to match the job positions you're interested in and send it directly to the places you want to work.
As a Glass House Graphics artist, I can vouch for that place, but there are many agencies out there. Just send your portfolio directly to an agent. They usually respond quickly with acceptance or refusal (and they'll give tips if they refuse a portfolio, but see the potential).
Also, know yourself. For me, social media is my weak spot. If I had to rely on Instagram or RUclips to get work, I'd probably starve to death XD. Everyone has their strengths.
@Amelia_PC great to hear! Thanks for sharing
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What did you enjoy the most in this video?
It took me years to get my first client and the only client that I did and I haven’t made a new client for like couple of years now
So what do you think you have to start doing differently to attract more?
Great advice as always! Been on the commission grind for 3+ years (1 with illustration) and can confirm!
On a side note, man I love the piece you're working on this video.
Thanks for your feedback! What's been the most revolutionary practice you've adopted that I presented in this video that helped you?
And glad to hear you enjoyed my artwork! Thank you
How dare you steal my secrets.
Haha oh really?? What did I take?
I can verify from the other side that overpricing and taking too many commissions can screw you over.
I found an artist whose style I really liked. She was clearly undercharging for her work. By a lot. I commissioned her, and pretty much paid double via tipping (it doesn't let you tip more than 100%. Yes, I actually tried). Which was still, honestly, not as much as the art was worth.
I was planning on having her do my book cover and inside art and fully intended to pay standard prices rather than what she was charging. Which would have been 10x what she was charging.
Unfortunately, with her extremely low prices and fear of not finding people who would hire her if she raised them, she took on so many projects for cheap that she took months upon months to do my work. And it isn't that she wasn't getting work done. I saw her consistently posting work for other clients.
I know I didn't have a schedule, but something like 6-8 months is too long.
Because of this, I ended up finding someone else instead. So instead of getting a project from me for a good price, she ended up going with people where she would have to do ten projects to get the same amount, all out of a fear that if she charged more she wouldn't get work. As a client, I even told her that she should charge more, and that's how I know she was keeping them low out of fear.
It was disappointing, to say the least. It also made it more difficult to communicate with her because she's constantly trying to juggle too much.
On a related note, I'm in a different field, but I've absolutely turned down projects because I could sense they were trouble. And, I also got requested to work on a massive project once when I was already busy... So, I purposely gave them a high price figuring they'd probably turn me down.
...And they accepted. Of course, I did the absolute best work I could for them and really buckled down to get their stuff done in time and my other projects done in time, but it really is good to say, "Not for less than this." They wanted to continue to hire me for even more after that, but I did just turn them down then because I knew full well the tight deadlines and stress it would be on me on top of what I already do.
Thanks so much for sharing your experiences! I hope more artists read this and realize their worth. That's so sad about that artist. So you've since moved on to another artist, correct? Can you tell me how those higher charging artists were in your experience versus the cheaper artists? I personally believe that a higher price point delivers a higher experience, so I'd love to hear your thoughts on that
@@TheArtMentor To be honest, I've been all over the place as far as prices and hiring artists, and it really seems like an individual thing. I've hired young people trying to do their first commissions and had a great experience because they were energetic and enthused to do their first job. They also tend to work a bit cheaper to fill up their resume (but I have given some of them tips to try and help them avoid being taken advantage of in the future. I, personally, didn't scam them, but I could see other people doing it because they didn't have things like getting paid ahead of time).
On the other hand, I remember one particular higher-priced artist for a book cover. I worked with them on Discord while they did the piece and made adjustments. So, the work was good and quick, but it honestly felt like I was an inconvenience to them or something from the way they acted. They were getting quite good pay for the amount of time they worked, probably working out to $100-200 an hour, so I expected a bit more enthusiasm rather than feeling like they didn't want my job.
Probably because a lot of artists are freelancers, it can be the luck of the draw wherever you go. It depends on them as an individual. I can say, as a client, I definitely appreciate someone who seems enthused about their work more.
Because of the AI stuff and how hard it is to find someone actually drawing right now, the last time I needed to hire an artist, I actually put up an ad and had several artists do paid samples. I had an idea of the style I wanted, and someone ended up applying who had a very dynamic style that worked well for it. They've been pretty good about getting good work done in a reasonable amount of time.
Funny enough, one issue I had and still have is that I wanted rough artwork for my idea. It was supposed to look like the main character was "sketching stuff in his diary". Every artist kept making it look TOO GOOD and too detailed, doing more work than even necessary, so I had to give up on that lol. It's not something I could even be mad about because it was obviously all of them trying to put their best foot forward. But I wanted to say, "You're doing TOO MUCH!"
I would say the one I'm working with now is medium-priced. Each sketch has been in the range of $40-ish, and they're purposely supposed to look rough. I'd say the cheap end of sketches I've seen is the $5-10 range, while I've been quoted around $150 for a sketch before. So $40 seems around a happy medium from the normal prices I've seen around.
but I still can't find my client...@@SugarThyme
The amount you charge will have a determining factor on the type of client you will attract. Most people are not illustrators. If you were to show your work to the average person and ask how much they would pay for it, their answers may surprise you. Illustrators have a tendency to undervalue their work and this makes them vulnerable to exploitation. For commissions, try to charge $30 - $50 per hour of work. That covers labour plus cost of materials. If you are a beginner, work within your limitations, it might be that you are only about to do simple 1 - 2 hour $30 commissions to begin with.
Can offer you another point to this? Charging per hour is definitely a smart way to price if you're working in more of an agency setting or freelancing for corporations, since that's how they'd invoice you. However, for freelancing illustrators, $30 commissions are worthless. You'll put in minimal effort and feel taken advantage of, and 1-2 hours of artwork is not a finished product worth publishing much less delivering in any art style. I say that from experience when I first started. Can you relate to how downtrodden those who make less than a mcDonald's employee would feel towards starting art commissions at prices that low?
@@TheArtMentor Fair point. There is a difference between corporations and freelancing. I should have expanded on my point, beginner artists often over commit themselves to projects and burn themselves out trying to meet deadlines. Knowing what you can produce within 1-2 hours can help set expectations. I agree that 1-2 hours is not enough time to produce a finished piece of art. But what an experienced artist may be able to do within 1-2 hours may take a beginner much longer to achieve.
Totally true 👍
The artists who make the most money are the most famous.,Banksy's art is lousy but it's really famous so it sells for a fortune to investors.The guy in this video is talking about commercial art (commercial art has to be popular by Formula) not "fine" ( famous) art.
What makes you think artists that work for clients aren’t fine artists? By what definition are we not? Also, why does that matter in the context of this video’s message?
@@TheArtMentor "Fine art" and commercial art are made a different way and from a different mentality and they are sold to a different audience.There is no such thing as "Art" in any case.
I'm not really sure what your point is here in relation to the video's context, as I'm encouraging artists to get out of bad mindsets and practices that they have been exposed to