Having the GPU power connecting into the MB itself is something that should have been done long ago. There always seemed like there were too many cables needed in a PC. Nice design Asus!
It means 12vhpwr takes out your motherboard instead of your GPU. Also is has been done long ago in datacenter it's called a "HPCE" connector. What should have been done long ago (also used in datacenter) is using 4+4 cpu power for graphics, the cheapper rolled pin versionas are good for 336watts (7Amp*12v*4 circuits), solid pin is good for 384watts so a pair would support a 768watt graphics card easily.
@@etjulien I mean it could take out the gpu too I suppose, it is an extra layer of resistance and 12vhpwr only has a 10% margin as it is. But for everyone that's amazed by this "slot power" that has been in datacenter for years, datacenter has been using 4+4pin for even longer. Gamer space just needs to catch up to old datacenter standards like SAS 12Gbit so we don't have to have a full ATX board covered in M.2 slots to do what a traditional Sata/SAS header blcok does.
As for the graphics card - it is the same stuff under the hood, just rearranged PCB. And it is an industry first, so it is a big thing. There is no better time to show off this tech than now with the 4090 monstrosity!
Having the connector on the board is fine . . . as long as the board is supplied by 2x 4+4pin EPS (and another for the CPU obviously). I'd say 12vhpwr needs to die in a fire but that seems to be their modus operandi anyway. -Rolled pin 4+4: 12volt x 7Amps per pin x 4 circuits (4 yellows) = 336watts -Solid pin 4+4: 12 volt x 8Amps per pin x 4 circuits (4 yellows ) = 384watts. This is already in use in datacenter just like the HPCE connector on these Asus boards.
that Asus power connector for the GPU is genus, also eliminates the problems that we've been having with the 12VHPWR, which i'm convinced now, is a badly designed connector that just needs to go away.
Asus already have board prototypes where the 12vhpwr is on the rear of the motherboard so that I can take out your cheaper motherboard isntead (hoping it doesnt toast your board and GPU simultaneously) or you can use 3x 6+2pin PCIE power instead sweeping the problem under the motherboard. Or we could just 4+4pin which are rated for 336-384watts like datacenter has done for of 10 years.
It moved the dodgy melting 12vhprw to your motherboard which while cheaper just hope it doesn't take out your board and cpu and ram and graphics simultaneously. We need 4+4pin to come to graphics cards they can do 336-384w each and are already industry wide.
clean cables make the build....... removing them......... not a fan really... the extra money you spend on the fancy boards and stuff to hide them.. id rather spend on a nice set of cables and make a feature of it....
@@Berserkism The difference is how wide it must be to connect to both pcie and the new board one. Either that or you’ll need another riser cable just for the new connector.
Putting the GPU power connector into the motherboard is an absolutely stupid idea. With things like a 4090 you really don't want to push 400 to 500 watts through the board. Also you will never be able to sell it used when you want a new card as it's such a niche unless the whole market switch to this design which it won't.
@@m.h.7901 Still more resistance and the 12vhpwer only has a 10% safety margin anyway. Having the connector on the board is fine...... so long as the board is supplied by 3x 6+2pin pcie or 2x 4+4pin EPS.
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Having the GPU power connecting into the MB itself is something that should have been done long ago. There always seemed like there were too many cables needed in a PC. Nice design Asus!
It means 12vhpwr takes out your motherboard instead of your GPU.
Also is has been done long ago in datacenter it's called a "HPCE" connector.
What should have been done long ago (also used in datacenter) is using 4+4 cpu power for graphics, the cheapper rolled pin versionas are good for 336watts (7Amp*12v*4 circuits), solid pin is good for 384watts so a pair would support a 768watt graphics card easily.
@@tomstech4390 Interesting point of view.
@@etjulien I mean it could take out the gpu too I suppose, it is an extra layer of resistance and 12vhpwr only has a 10% margin as it is.
But for everyone that's amazed by this "slot power" that has been in datacenter for years, datacenter has been using 4+4pin for even longer.
Gamer space just needs to catch up to old datacenter standards like SAS 12Gbit so we don't have to have a full ATX board covered in M.2 slots to do what a traditional Sata/SAS header blcok does.
@@tomstech4390 Cool!
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Really liked the GPU power solution.
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Finally! In my next build I would most probably go ASUS just because to show the industry this is something that is needed!
👏👏👏👏 yes, No cables anymore! Now looks all 100%✓
some exciting kit coming 2024
An all Asus built will be FN Awesome
Nice look around sir
Pretty cool stuff on show.
Awesome!
Really like the aesthetic of ASUS products.
Nice one Guv. 😊
Great stuff
Great presentation as always. I’m thinking with all these new 4090 variants coming out we won’t be seeing the 50 cards until sometime next year.
As for the graphics card - it is the same stuff under the hood, just rearranged PCB. And it is an industry first, so it is a big thing. There is no better time to show off this tech than now with the 4090 monstrosity!
Love the white tuf card and board!! ❤
Hopefully it could be an industry standard to have that type of power connection for a gpu
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Having the connector on the board is fine . . . as long as the board is supplied by 2x 4+4pin EPS (and another for the CPU obviously). I'd say 12vhpwr needs to die in a fire but that seems to be their modus operandi anyway.
-Rolled pin 4+4: 12volt x 7Amps per pin x 4 circuits (4 yellows) = 336watts
-Solid pin 4+4: 12 volt x 8Amps per pin x 4 circuits (4 yellows ) = 384watts.
This is already in use in datacenter just like the HPCE connector on these Asus boards.
There is 3x 8pin pcie on the back for the gpu dude
@@OC3D I am aware.
It's superior to the 12vhpwr but 2X 4+4 is superior to 3X 6+2.
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Nice but how will this BTF stuff work for vertical mounting?
I was thinking that too. I’m guessing it might be some kind of riser cable like device.
It wont without a ribbon cable to power it.
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There was an oled screen there but I couldnt get decent time on it because it was so busy
that Asus power connector for the GPU is genus, also eliminates the problems that we've been having with the 12VHPWR, which i'm convinced now, is a badly designed connector that just needs to go away.
you still need to connect 12VHPWR to the motherboard. Where do you think it gets the power ? lol
@@DicehunterSC is that better though? it will take 3 times the space in already occupied motherboard
Asus already have board prototypes where the 12vhpwr is on the rear of the motherboard so that I can take out your cheaper motherboard isntead (hoping it doesnt toast your board and GPU simultaneously) or you can use 3x 6+2pin PCIE power instead sweeping the problem under the motherboard.
Or we could just 4+4pin which are rated for 336-384watts like datacenter has done for of 10 years.
Its 3x 8pin pcie on the back of the board
GPU power from motherboard needs to become an industry standard, Looks so much better and no chance of dodgy melting 12VHPWR connectors.
It moved the dodgy melting 12vhprw to your motherboard which while cheaper just hope it doesn't take out your board and cpu and ram and graphics simultaneously.
We need 4+4pin to come to graphics cards they can do 336-384w each and are already industry wide.
Those waterblocks with the screen are getting as big as an air cooler.
Not going for that gpu blade...why do some insist on making everything harder? There is a better way.
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With this new BTF motherboard ASUS made juts every case obsolete from 2023 and older and vertical brackets will not work
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clean cables make the build....... removing them......... not a fan really... the extra money you spend on the fancy boards and stuff to hide them.. id rather spend on a nice set of cables and make a feature of it....
No more vertical mount GPU…unless a special riser cable to connect the card…
That's a good point. You can't vertically mount BTF GPUs!
LOL, you have to buy a riser anyway, buy this one, buy that one, what's the difference 😂
@@Berserkism The difference is how wide it must be to connect to both pcie and the new board one. Either that or you’ll need another riser cable just for the new connector.
Putting the GPU power connector into the motherboard is an absolutely stupid idea. With things like a 4090 you really don't want to push 400 to 500 watts through the board. Also you will never be able to sell it used when you want a new card as it's such a niche unless the whole market switch to this design which it won't.
the power connector that feeds this new gpu connector is literally behind it, it doesn't have lengthy road through motherboard at all
I tend to agree, cables are better here, but not 12 pin connector. Nvidia caused this whole s**tstorm :(
I need Data supporting it's bad for the MOBO when this has been done for many years not without any problems..
@@m.h.7901 Still more resistance and the 12vhpwer only has a 10% safety margin anyway.
Having the connector on the board is fine...... so long as the board is supplied by 3x 6+2pin pcie or 2x 4+4pin EPS.
@@nofreenamestoregnvidia didn't "cause" it. They did not create the new standard. Expected from what must be an amd fanboi
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