What is Power Creep? How an Unstoppable Disease Might Be Infecting Your Game
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- It’s already infected your favourite game, and there’s nothing you can do about it.
It’s something that you’ll see people constantly complaining about online, but many don’t know what it is, or how challenging it can be.
If your game gets new characters, items, cards or weapons on a regular basis, you’ve almost certainly experienced how annoying it is.
Power creep. What the hell is this infuriating nonsense and where did it come from?
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Or just pull a TF2 and dont add new things at all HAHAHAHAhahaha..ha..ha..ha.......Valve please it's been two years
That is just valve being careful haha.....man I miss tf2
Honestly, I'm pretty sure this is a very unpopular opinion among the TF2 community, but I think the amount of weapons we've been given are enough, and most of them (I'm looking at you Axtinguisher) are decent enough to be used in any game. Of course the organizers who still have tournaments regulate which can or cannot be used, but all-in-all if you're just a player, TF2's pretty... perfect. All it takes now is to garner player interest in it again because none of these new games that try to make something like a class-based, team-based game like it (Overwatch for example) doesn't really come close to how well-made the mechanics are.
TF2's dead because most of the community viewed the lack of new weapons and such is a bad thing. I moved onto Overwatch a year ago when Asia's playerbase significantly reduced. I came back recently because Overwatch is quite shit now lmao
Peppa you look delicious
Which in fact is one of the best moves they could've done so far. Especially shooter don't need constant updates, yeah even over the period of 2 years.
Just look how many viewer and player games like OW, HS & FN lost. LoL may be in a good sport for now but just cos of FN kids who got into gaming explore other trash games now.
*cries in jungle inferno*
Blizzard is genius, they not only create op characters to counter older op characters but they create op characters to counter cultural movements in the game.
Gringo Espana they’re fucking terrible i really wish we could teleport the game back to before the addition of Moira so her and brigette would of not ruined the game’s fun
@@XRubenX I wish brigette was reinhardt's original design cuz she looks cool lmao
She can be fixed easily, the problem with brig is hee shield, just nerf or rework it.
XRubenX Moira is definitely not overpowered... Have you watched Overwatch league? Zen and lucio are the most common supports in the GOATS comp
@@spacewargamer4181 hey good news
riot figured out how to do reverse power creep with yuumi lmao
Lol true
LMAO
People apparently dont remember the item dfg literally mage assassins could 1 shot anyone
We gotta give riot some props, the game is quite balanced right now (there are exceptions). It's the best balance we've had since season 5/6
@@kristianvukajlovic6789
Right now mages are too strong, look at MSI, up to 3 mages per comp and fuck bruisers
Somes mages (Vlad, Kennen) are atm better at being bruisers than bruisers themselves
This game nor was nor will ever be perfectly balanced, patches are there to rotate what class or champ is overpowered and that's fine. (even tho sometimes they really fk it up, juggernaut patch and some others)
4:22 "Blitzcrank had a hook, a knock up and a silence"
Blitz W: Am I a joke to you?
W is a joke anyway
Yes, you are.
@@playgameseveryday4175 umm his ult is the silceneee
And his passive also got purposefully ignored
W.. Is shit.. It should be reverted back to what it was. Just a Speed up.. No SLOWDOWN AFTER.. A robot that gets tiredmm wtf riot.
Ahhhh the good ol days of the first time r8 revolver was released 😂
The AK was and is good because it can do ~110 damage to the head and ~30 everywhere else if you miss the head. So they thought it would be a good idea to have a gun that did 90-100 everywhere and like 180 to the head (meaning you could one shot people through walls) with a deagle's rate of fire.
decemberdan uh no, I don't think being able to do that with 100%ACCURACY is balanced. Even if I was a developer, that's a pretty shitty idea. The deagles playstyle is being able to hit those shots, and if you don't, you die. The r8 is like a mini sniper, but guess what, the scout had that job. So imo the r8 was a complete mistake on all ends especially because it was entirely accurate when shooting, and how it also did more damage than the scout
Good old days? It wasn't that long ago kid.
@@cameronding1247 the r8 once did >400 damage for a hs my guy
@@chaz1745 Sorry gramps
Yu-Gi-Oh! players: aw shit here we go again
Mhm.. I think is diferent, yugioh its a business model, they do that on pourpose, knowing its implications
Konami announced links and everyone thought it was gonna fix it but Konami had other plans
If everything is op, then nothing is op?
@@actualpie6521 Then dont play the non-op stuff?
If this ain't true
Lion Should be on the thumbnail, he is a prime example of a character who couldn't be put down because of his natural strength from his kit, rendering %70 of the attacking roster pointless until his rework pegged him down. I also wouldn't always rule sledge under buck either, his gadget is better on downward vertical for more gadget durability and his guns are generally stronger with less recoil. Tachanka was never a victim of power creep, he was flawed upon release.
Am I the only one who feels bad for the physical manifestation of the power creep
Poor guy was locked inside a glass cell with no cure in sight
Explain pls
Rambiinno basically because they cant just remove that character into existence or else people will complain which is why the only solution is to make barriers that can somehow balance him out or else the game will be broken because of the power creep going rampant
@@SCRKT007 I understand that part but he made it sound like there's a story as to how the name power creep came about lol
@@rizzotto95 If you watch the whole video you would've seen what he was talking about.
@@nopatterns5837 ah my bad couldn't watch it all. Thanks
Power creep in rainbow DOSENT TALK ABOUT CHIMERA
Love me some global abilities that take no brain to use, have massive impact, and no way to play around them
Yes i love rook on defence, he is the most skillful operator ever.
Bevvvy there is a difference between a bad and good lion. Lion takes mad skill and communication
@@Lex-ix4oy Now maybe. If you played TTS Lion and initial release Lion, that was an entirely different operator.
nor talk about Ela and BB
I fee like with Rainbow Six Siege most of the og operators are still pretty useful, if anything with more stuff coming out i think some of them got better. Plus they are generally more easy to play and let you focus on playing rather then constantly managing their equipment.
They do a good job of making sure the original ops still have uses. The updates to Mute's jammer is a great example.
APWGaming it's because they first come out they are op but then they get nerfed by ubi or people creat counters
Literally nothing added since replaces Bandit, Jaegar, Doc + Rook, Glaz, the Shield attackers, and arguably the device destroyer attackers.
Even Fuze, who is mostly a meme, doesn’t have anyone that’s “the same thing but simply better”.
Blitz is still op even after all the nerfs
APWGaming Ubisoft has also done a good job with For Honor and trying to prevent power creeping. They regularly rework or buff the original heroes while making the new heroes pretty balanced. I haven’t been playing for long but two new heroes have came out and currently they are balanced. I think Ubisoft has done a really good job trying to handle power creep, but I’m sure people disagree with me.
Rcoket League has no power creep
The game is 1 dimensional and so dumb imo, like its worst version of fifa but makes no sence
this game, quit fun and fair, have no personality
@@bbqsauce8753 Rocket League is more like playing soccer than fifa is.
@@bbqsauce8753 are you serious mate? FIFA is way more one dimensional, especially when it comes to skill ceiling. In rocket league even a simple pass requires a lot of skill, in FIFA a fucking kid can pass the ball, it's literally a simple button press.
@@bbqsauce8753 worst version of Fifa?, oh boi how dumb can you be?
Real life powercreep = Superbugs
Real life powercreep = Rich people
Real life powercreep = AIDS
@@JMScibra literally no counterplay whatsoever, its a cancer on the game
Real life powercreep = super bacteria
Nukes.
League of Legends suffers from this badly. Almost none of the older champions have any sort of gap closer or escape mechanism but pretty much every single new champion/recently reworked champion has like 2 dashes or a dash and huge movement speed buffs at the very least. It's quite ridicilous and it becomes even more obvious when you play champions like Xerath, Annie, Viktor, Malzahar etc... in the mid lane and get counterpicked by pretty much every mid lane champion that was released in the last 5 years.
bullshit xD
The old days when kassadin was permabanned in ranked because he had the most mobility and a good burst.
i mained syndra mid and with things like the akali rework it's just impossible to do anything, if i pop e to stun her she can use her 40sec ult to dash and instantly kill me as i have no escape, same as xerath, etc
her speed is also ridiculous reguardless of her dashes
Actually he was just broken
Well it’s because they are mages. Imagine if mages had a ton of mobility. They would be running around the map one shotting everyone in early game and late game. That would be too op
Every gacha game ever: *ah shit here we go again*
Gacha games aren't competitive.
@@spinyslasher6586 TCGs
@@spinyslasher6586 they're not competitive but they do want people to always buy the newest characters, so they make them slowly more and more broken
@@spinyslasher6586 Any game with PvP should be, there's always a group of people who get passionate on any game
@@spinyslasher6586 Aren't competitive? What are you smoking? Some ppl spend $100,000+ so they can have the newest and strongest characters that beat everyone else in pvp. That's not competitive enough for you?
Original operators aren't shadowed by the new ones, you guys don't understand siege well. Sledge and Buck have such different uses and purposes
This needs to be pinned
They have great meme potential
Pegasus: Your turn yugi boi.
Yugi: I summon 3 Skull dreads and go plus 3 all while cycling my useless cards out of my hand. Now i summon 5 more monsters with once per turn negates. Your turn pegasus.
Pegasus: Wait what?
Lmao
Nah Yugi would just pull a 1 turn exodia
Plays Evenly Matched
Siege had OP operators but they deal with them pretty quick and pretty effectively. Not sure any of the operators can be considered as a power creep
Lol remember Ella? Took them more than 2 month
@@awada1467 2 months is pretty quick compared to other online games bro
"haha d&d is for neck beards"
What is this, 1992?
it's for smelly people
@@A.S.28 just like video games!
@@Austrocious 5Head Clap
@@Austrocious Using twitch emotes outside of twitch is Pepega
Yeah that comment felt hamfisted and uh... not really topical, tabletop gaming is HUGE now, no reason to disparage a community for no reason
>when new content is added to a game
>footage of apex
literally the OPPOSITE
They showed apex legends when talking about new content omegalul
pops bruh Apex gets updated and gets new content
yeah but content that is actually good is a whole different story. Everything new that apex has added is cancer. except octane and havoc
Bro this was 9 months ago apex at a long era where barely anything was added.
Ethan Stockie Octane is the most shit character wdym lmao
@@ethanstockie9412 literally the things that u said weren't cancer are the most cancerous in the game lmfaoo I'm dead
Perfect example of this:
Yu-Gi-Oh and Fortnite
ah yes, Yu-Gi-Oh, The best way to describe their power creep is embracing it then letting it go for nearly 2 decades now.
Ironically Yu-Go-Oh has become mor ebalenced witg this stupid power creep than in the past, I mean now in pretty much every format ther are like 5 decks that can win tournament in the past there where only 1 or 2, and we haven't have a Tier 0 format in years, and in the past I remember that pretty much eveey year was a tier 0 format.
This also applies in pokemon where many new mons outperform older mons based on stats, abilities, typing, and movepools.
@@Ms666slayer *flashbacks to how like 15 years ago every deck would run the same 22 cards then an engine.
literally invented the Link format to stabilize the cancer
I'm looking at you, Overwatch.
Mega rayquaza: exsists
Waiting for the "Story of Jankos", this guy deserves some recognition.
Fuck yeah. Poland needs more recognition in Esports
Who?
@@Mauricio-oo3dk G2 Esports jungler who after years of high level play finally managed to win an international tournament, playing a big part in the process
Ohh...Arc warden with multiple Raipers..where are you.?
and that got nerfed fast...
That release of mk tho.
@@ChewyGummy17 I still cry whenever I remember that shit
Those days were cancerous
Earth spirit release be lik
Reworks to older characters causes a different problem many times, in League Evelynn was reworked so many times... she used to be a bruiser that could sometimes be an AP assassin. Now she can only really viable build the AP assassin build which used to be considered the "troll" build.
With the rework they changed her playstyle and the question immediately becomes... is it worth removing a character that some people still love just to combat balance issues?
You have examples like Symmetra who was removed from the support category, nerfed into the ground just so they could buff her primary fire.
These changes or "reworks" are a huge problem to deal with as rarely do they work out right. Alienating the player base that dedicated themselves to the character, while only managing to bring themselves up to the par of other characters.
The issue of power creep is better illustrated by WoW which has legitimately battled it with a blanket stat nerf so end game damage numbers don't make 2 million damage be literally nothing.
People say Siege has Power Creep, but in the Pro League OG operators have a 2:1 pick rate over DLC OPs. So simplicity is often better.
i think the only 2 forms of power creep in r6s is buck is a better sledge and maverick has no counter but thats about it
@@Williamohightower Yeah, but Sledge is still very relevant. Maverick is his own counter. He can't really open walls big enough to vault without risking his own life.
@@TheGreatChrisB that is true. i love how ubisoft has made so many new ops and the OGs are still relevant. well most of the attackers that is tachanka needs a rework
@@Williamohightower I like Tachanka, he instills fear in the attackers. When you see a Tachanka you get scared by their confidence or weird strat.
Not every game has powercreep though. Meaning it's possible to function as a competitive game without spoon feeding you're userbase new shiny content, like a sack of soft unicorn flavored marshmallow.
Another great video mates. The power creep is a huge problem atm so I love you're talking about it
In which game? Most of the devs are capable of the simple thing known as nerfs, and if they cant do that, time to switch to a good game
@@petrarabl6529 HAAHHAHAHAHAHHAH OVERWATCH
R.I.P josh
it is time to rework hin
MAKE HIM OVERPOWERED
Pokemon's unofficial format, Smogon singles, imho has one of the best divisions making every pokemon still be usable at least one format.
Pokemon tcg tho..
Pokemon itself has power creeped itself to oblivion.
0:36 NEW CONTENT *SHOWS APEX LEGENDS*
Lol when brig came out last year... Just 15 secs later 😂 stfu
Dota 2 power creep... I don't think so. Look at mars, the first few hours after it's release, most of the player might think he is OP but afterward, everyone trying to find or found the solution to deal with it.
MegaManBn People still think he’s pretty OP, mostly thanks to his ult being absolutely bananas.
Also, the example they flashed was Grimstroke, who was the most picked hero the month he was added to Captain’s mode.
He is indeed op, his 56% wr is the proof. Once he got lvl 20,his long ass stun would just outright kill you. It litteraly mirana arrow but far more better.
@@dr.suckfudge340 Still doesn't beat Centaur's introduction in dota 2 (from dota1). Honestly it's hard to talk about power creep in Dota at all.
@@therrogue1193 he is powerful sure, but is very easy to counter actually. Riki shits on him daily, every magic using heroes can burst him down as his passive only works for physical damage, and if you manage to gang on him he's powerless.
His Spear only stuns if it hits solid object, and while its very fast, its easy to dodge as long as dont let him position himself.
If you're trapped in his ulti focus on running around/maybe fighting back if you're strong enough for his ulti to run out. Also if you have BKB or blink you can just walk/blink straight out of it.
Power Creep from dota is almost not felt after the adjustments in the next patch because of Dota items countering annoying aspect of the game but Item power creep yes its a thing remember the atos meta where the item was picked up by almost every hero until the nerfs
Dead By Daylight avoids powercreep by just not releasing strong stuff. The best two killers are still one of the three from the base game and the one from the first DLC, which was free.
Now if only they could get the rest of the balance and gameplay issues sorted.
Jannis Muscati Nurse will always be the best so ripppp
i first heard of the term power creep in competitive pokemon. the gen 7 and gen 6 was the wildest power creep ever lmao
Fuck. Ferry. Type
eodgod ferry type lmao. Some massive ass boat just falls on your mega Salamance
Can confirm. No hero in OW could one shot another character without hitting a headshot or any other aim based ability. And then they released Echo. Literally presses Right Click once and almost every DPS and support in the game will die.
The introduction of Brigitte in OW at the time by the devs was like if akira toriyama had introduced Buu during the Freezer Arc.This shit was unkillable et overpowered just pressing W toward the point & shield-bashing your ass to death.
Bloons td6 is a game that gets a lot of powercreep too. It's pretty common for 1 tower chimps strategies to develop upon the release of a new hero (the minimum towers needed to beat chimps is supposed to be 2), and all the towers are generally getting stronger over time as ninja kiwi chooses to buff weak towers up to the level of strong ones rather than nerf strong towers to the level of weak ones.
I mean, sledge is just as good as buck depending on what you’re needing him for. So sledge is far from irrelevant.
Sledge is if you want to go from above, buck is lots of recoil from below.
I'm new to siege and I've been focusing on sledge for now. So buck is basicaly a better breacher but has a weaker gun (recoil-wise) than sledge?
@@zilliq Buck's gun and ability is better than Sledge's. But Sledge has it's use too, you smack Maestro's evil eye, barb wire etc. While Buck's shotgun is just a shotgun, but goddamn is it useful, especially close-quarter against rushing defender.
I mean sledge can break almost anything with his hammer, such as castle barricades and maestros evil eye but he just needs to get close.
While buck can only shoot soft walls and most gadgets like maestros evil eye can’t be removed by him however he has the range.
7:10 epic french accent moment
Pikminologue Raisin they had to put subtitles 😂😂
Dota is like the only game without power creep because if everything is op nothing is op ez.
Exactly lmao
I've heard this statement plenty of times, and honestly, it's true as hell.
No no no no no, THEY made everyone Soo good (MAX) or equally GOOD (MAX LIMIT) at somethings and doing very bad at another, soo in turn you just have to remedy the bad with item or boost the good with item, soo you have a choice. You see why you can't power creep on that one cuz every time the Dev need to create a Hero they need to come up with something it is bad at doing, soo it can be ok if it's OP
SOooo if you notice the ITEMS are the power creep in the game
@@cernos7230 yes, like the Aga Scepter and Talent.
Easy fix for power creep: Mass Rebalance. After the problem starts to rear it's ugly head, rework old things and do nerfs of the new.
That's easy for games like Owerwatch where you buy to play. Free to play has to cash in on new releases...so they introduce it on purpose to hopefully balance it out afterwards.
It's an easy solution but not simple when you consider people pay money with certain expectations of the new content.
The thing maybe is create a free counter for the p2w weapon.
@@Yasu-na Players have unrealistic expectations of new content. They don't experience hardships the developers have been doing to make good games.
I will never understand how league of legends is exciting when it looks like colorful ants crawling around in a frenzy
The simpler characters in siege have generally higher pickrates than dlc ops because they impact the game much more and every strat plays around them. E.g Hibana for example can't blow up electric hatches nor open enough space to force defenders away, so playing around her is not very worth doing. Thermite can bypass electricity and has a much stronger support gadget to prevent flanks, this makes him more impactful when used to his full potential with the support of his team to cover him. DLC ops are supposed to compliment vanilla ops, there is never a comp without one. E.g Lion meta always had blitz or ash, Thatcher is always played to open walls safely, ash has the smallest 3 speed hitbox in the game, you should never play kaid without bandit. Siege focuses on expanding the depth of the game mechanics (electrifying hatches, and black mirror windows are not broken but serve as different approaches), not the breadth of power available. Of course Lion and maverick are exceptions but now lion is pegged down and maverick does not power-creep every bombsite on every map. I would nerf the torch to allow defenders to hear and move away easier so it serves only as a support gadget and not a fragging tool.
thermite cannot bypast electricity, I don't know why you say that. There are objectives that play around hibana as well, anything with important hatches or walls that wouldn't be safe to walk up to, like the games objective study room wall that get's mira'd. There are plenty of comps that don't need base ops. for example - vigil, mira, maestro, kaid, lesion. or hibana, maverick, zofia, blackbeard, finka. There are plenty of objectives that don't need kaid and bandit as well, for example, the church/armory obj on clubhouse, hatch and dirt tunnel are covered by just kaid with nothing else really needing to be shocked. Or on kafe in the train obj, kaid covers the wall by the white stairs and hatch.
there's a major power creep happening rn in yugioh duel links
I remember Vayne was a power creep when she was released. At the time LoL didn’t have much choice for ADC, except Ashe and the ADC gameplay is pretty much feed early carry late. In comes a mobile assassin-like ADC that can kill people at lv 3, can solo almost everyone and can still be a nightmare late game. She was very overpowered until they nerfed her later.
Last time i was this early EU won MSI...... oh wait
Another thing that developers can do is buff environment - jungle creeps, basic hp of all heroes, etc. It's essentially nerf to the whole game but doesn't feel like one so players take it lightly.
I'm an Apex player so I don't have to worry about this :)
Give it time
tbh idk how overwatch was able to survive power creep then it lost popularity afterwards like every games do
Tbh, Overwatch has been power creeped so much that Genji has started to become useless. As a Genji main, the stun meta is actual horseshit.
It’s so sad that the hard heroes get shit on by easy ones.
Releasing new heroes that are easy to play and hard counters other existing heroes... is not a clever move from a developer. The typical "one man army" concept. Don't even get me started on the amounts of CC/disables available. Leading up to the stun meta we had, as you said. (No stun through shield working as a small brake)
Aside from the pro level the meta in ladder it's really good, a lot of heroes can be used and Goats is too complicated (too much teamwork requirement) to be run effectively in ladder now days. I do agree that season 10 through 12 if you were diamond or above, the meta was shit.
@@danielestrada5511 I'm gm and the only times Goats is run properly is high masters or gm. Everyone else below just plays the comp with no comms, no actual use of synergy of the comp, and play it like a 2-2-2 not 3-3
@@michaell4775 well then maybe I just got lucky with my teammates when I was at diamond rank then. It's worse in reality, eh?
>Raise the base power level
>Puts a picture of ashe
OG Yu-Gi-Oh players remember when Breaker The Magical warrior was OP
Now the entire game is a power creep I stopped playing after that changed the playing format with link summoning
Ashe isn't actually very powerful. She has the lowest pickrate of any character in the Overwatch League and has been received well overall as a balanced character by the community.
Funny thing with that comparison they showed is that both mccree and soldier are more viable in OWL than Ashe.
The Overwatch examples are super out of touch. The only hero who's been too strong on release is Brigitte, all the other problematic heroes (mercy, ana, Zen, Sombra) became powerful when they were overtuned due to being too weak initially.
Ana had everything that made her broken when she came out (aka pre-nerf Bionade and speed Nano). It's mostly players learning her and less about the buffs. Mercy got reworked BECAUSE of powercreep, Ashe released as a better McCree, despite not being broken, and Doomfist was really strong at release iirc
@@kwayke9 Mercy got reworked because her old ultimate encouraged doing nothing then coming in to try and get a 5 man rez.
I don't remember doom being strong rather than just broken (bugs).
Hard to say ashe is a better mccree when she has had no playtime in OWL in stage 2, while mccree has a decent amount (considering he's a DPS). She also requires more aim to be effective so less mechanically gifted players are better off with mccree (fan the hammer).
Powercreep really isn't that much of a problem yet.
@@aryankaushik9346 As some one who played both league and overwatch I must say that league handles powercreep much better. For example after the hanzo rework the meta was hanzo and windowmaker only. The dive meta lasted way to long so they added brigeta wich made tracer useless. And finally goats🤢🤢.
@@kwayke9 Kwayke right... Anas nade radius buff didn't have any effect, the fact her ammo count went from 4 to 10 to now 14 didn't have anything to do with it😂😂
@@DatBoiSaint first of she started with 8 bullets not 10 and a fire rate increase 5 days after her release because people didnt know how to play her. Then she got mostly bug fixes and one nerd to her ult (increase cd) and a radius change on her nade 3 to 4. This was a nerf especially with the global 25% increase of ults cd on the next patch so that she got her ult a lot less times in a game. After that they only nerfed her xd so yeah the only reason she got buffed recently was because of goats and that moira and bridgette are broken heros that are either god tier or dog shit.
Reminds me of Warhammer 40k tabletop. New army book comes out with some new models, makes the new models/army super op compared to the other armies, with most new books one-upping the other recent updates. Even if an army you already have eventually gets a new book the op stuff is new models or new gear for existing models.
There is no real power creep in Rainbow six (now Maverick is more balanced) and Buck-Sledge is a very very bad example. In fact, Sledge can do more thing than Buck and have better weapon and it's why Sledge is more picked than Buck this season.
The torch is getting a sound increase as well.
where's Neeko? during her release she was broken as hell but despite recieving virtually zero nerfs. they stopped playing her
Lunatic Lunala On-hit Neeko is still stupid strong, it’s annoying af
if you ever wanna see power creep kill a game just look at yugioh
@@Timotheus24 EVERY NEW SKILL IS A BETTER OLD SKILL
It's inevitable that power creep occurs. Even if it isn't intended to be powerful, it's just a product of population size. The larger the group of characters, or weapons, or powers, or cards, the stronger the top 10-30 will be. Whenever something new is introduced, it's either too weak and not used or it's more powerful and raises the standard of power.
Sledge is still used in pro league. Way off with calling him under powered.
For R6 don t know if jagger is a powerkreep, he was there from the start and still now is of the charts
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And I forget a lot of other instances
do you mean the tcg or the video games? because many old mons are still good and strong in (ou)
2:22 This speaks to me on a deeper level
Might as well play chess.
Queens OP
Remember when they buffed pawns to queens?
Power creep chess happens over a larger timescale.
In the 1800s e4-e5 was hot shit.
Then early 1900s people realized Kings pawn open game was trash tier and started closed game, Indian and sicilian.
Now deep blue and deep Fritz means greater interest in irregular or heavily conservative games vs. gambits.
And that's barely scratching the opening.
So much meta a chess player has to cover now compared to 1900.
Actually I think r6 is a victim of reverse power creep, where when the game came out there was a game mechanic that was limited to only one or two operators and they became essential, and are picked every game, so Ubisoft tries to release new operators that can function the same way but different so the game is more diverse. However when the game came out operator design was much more simple, so it ends of being better than the operators that are designed when the game is much more focussed on balance. E.g, Bandit and Kaid. Bandit was one of the strongest operators in the game, who had a mechanic exclusive to him. So Ubi tried releasing a new operator that could do the same thing. However they were afraid of him being broken, so made him a one speed and gave him difficult to use weapons, unlike Bandit’s simple and incredibly strong options, as well as having the ability to go off and roam and get frags
Ripp no mention pf yugioh powercreep the old 2002 yugioh is nothing like today even powercreeping out trap cards in general.
Lmao summoning 5 cards in your turn and the fuck is a link summon compared to just one monster per round
"Buck does everything Sledge does... but from range" That's not entirely true... Buck can't destroy bulletproof destroyables (Maestro cams, Castle barricades) but Sledge can. Sledge is still existent in the meta
But Buck has frag grenades to deal with those gadgets...
Take a shot every time he says stronger *dies of alcohol poisoning*
League's (and a few others) piece is really not the traditional power creep that it was portrayed as in the video.
League has a power creep of champion versatility. A lot of the other games mentioned also have this to varying degrees. The newer champions have increasingly more complex abilities with newly introduced mechanics, while the old champions remain with their older more basic functions. The balance for league and many of the other games that struggle with versatility is simply fixed by playing the numbers game, keeping them relevant by changing the numbers in their kits (usually in their favor), or reworking them entirely.
The blanket term that is "power creep" can much more accurately be applied to games like Hearthstone and Warframe. Where the developers intentionally phase out old cards and characters by introducing the new, slightly different (but clearly stronger) renditions.
Just thought I would try to make a bit more clear the different problems of power creep these games face.
slightly off topic, but when you compared blitz to thresh you left out blitz's passive and w (albeit also simple, but cmon, you went over thresh's full kit why not blitz's....).
Volibear was a great champ 6, years ago now he is useless piece of shit. Because his simple kit cant deal with dashes / more cc in the game, hence power creep
Showing Moira and Ashe are bad examples for power creep imo because they didn't have a negative impact on the game due to being overpowered. Moira has one of the lowest pickrates in high ranks and Ashe was only played once in the Overwatch League getting less playtime than former throwpicks such as Torbjörn.
and not a single hero is outdated because there is some hero doing what they do just better, if anything ashe is the one who is a victim of this, close range mccree is better and long range widow is
orisa didn't replace reinhardt for example
Power creep isn't that much of a problem when your game is PVE.
Im looking at you Tigris Prime and Gram Prime
Bramma
You want to talk about power creep? Talk about competitive Pokemon...
MichaelKeatonBatman hello Tapus, we’re back to hate your guts.
@Tuan Gbehan *LAUGHS IN LANDORUS-T*
@Tuan Gbehan Lando has been top tier for 3 gens straight. I fucking hate that mon with a passion.
Gen 5 had the worst powercreep so far. Other than megas of course.
*giggles in Clefable*
Going back to league of legends after a year you really do experience power creep hard... nothing makes sense anymore. Riot have this crazy idea that nothing is overpowered but everything is underpowered and keep buffing champs and items needlessly. Buffs and nerfs based off playrate are the worst.
Its alraedy infected your favorite game and its "👌"
Hearthstones: 6:52
When you only invested in the Priest class and Blizzard goes and nerfs the only over powered priest deck in and destroys one priest archetype after another EVERY EXPANSION, and now priest just heals and had “random minions” and cards that belong to unsupported arch types of the past.
Grimstroke stronger than the rest LMAO nah fam
Siege sometimes evens things out. Like the the sledge and buck comparison mentioned in the video, While buck can break soft walls at a range, His guns recoil sucks while sledge's gun is more accurate. Buck's gun is also more louder than sledge's hammer. Earlier op's like ash is still one of the best op's imo even without her r4-c acog.
Mentions power creep in overwatch.
Doesn't mention brig.
They know not of our struggle.
look at the beginning of the video with the first 3 overwatch characters
Well Ashe wasn’t a big creep hero tho
Power creep in Siege isn't really a thing, unless you're considering the 3 secondary gadgets they've added overtime. A lot of top picks, like Ash and Thatcher, were in the base game. Saying Hibana and Buck are just a better Thermite and Sledge is completely wrong. Hibana can open three hatches, but can only make one entrance through a wall, and she has worse guns. Buck can open soft walls from range, but it's LOUD and doesn't breach clean holes, meaning sometimes it'll make you get stuck on walls. Buck also can't destroy barbed wire, shields, evil eyes, or castle barricades in one hit like Sledge can.They'll occasionally add overpowered operators on accident, like the original Blackbeard or Ela, but nerf them so that they fit with the others. Other than Tachanka and arguably Glaz at the moment, every operator is viable in high-level play. Even when they make similar operators, like Kaid and Bandit, they're always different enough that neither one feels like THE operator to pick. Kaid can electrify roof hatches from below as well as walls, but struggles to "trick" walls and doesn't have the roaming power that Bandit does. This means that besides his gadget, Kaid plays more as an anchor, meant to hold down the objective, while Bandit plays more as a roamer, meant to move around the map and flank the enemies.
Sledge is irrelevant now... Okay. Someone plays Casual or low Ranked
I've been plat for months now and I don't remember seeing even a single Sledge.
@@user-gm6iq1cx5v that doesn't mean he's irrelevant, though. I've seen pros choose Sledge even
Rainbow 6 is currently trying to fight power creep by having some of the new characters use weapons from older characters.
Mixed results.
**laughs in csgo**
I love how maverick is never used, when everyone says he’s op
sadly they can stop power creep....
wow legion to wow bfa....
you can't imagine how depressed i was to see my char feeling less and less powerful by approaching the level cap
I mean, wizards of the coast literally printed oko which was so fucking powerful it got banned in multiple formats in about 3 months. Most of the cards they printed in 2019 invalidated most people's collections. Magic has been dealing with power creep for 25 years.
Who else had no clue what this was before this?
Me
Ubisoft: Is this a personal attack?
(For Honor)
Ehhhhhhh, not really. Power creep doesn't really work outside card games, as it's only when something is strictly better (better in every scenario). Mercy has low healing, but she's still useful for Pharahs and rez. Simple =/= bad.
Also, Piloted Shredder is a bad example of this. It's not power creep; it's just really good. Power creep is like Hearthstone's Frostwolf Grunt (2 mana 2/2 Taunt) vs the later released Pompous Thespian (2 mana 3/2 Taunt).
Frostwolf Grunt vs Pompous Thespian is not powercreep. Yes the Thespian was better, but that's because grunt was far bellow the average power level of the game. Thespian was still considered bad, and was still bellow the power curve, so it had no effect in power creeping the game. Shredder on the other was WAY above the power curve of the game, making it so that most 3, 4 or 5 drops had to be considered against it. The comparison you would make when evaluating a 4 drop before shredder was yeti, a solid 4/5 for 4. When shredder came out, he became the new norm for evaluatin the power of a 4 drop, hence the powercreep
@@a.n2276 Alright, you make a good point. I still think it doesn't apply outside card games though.
@@a.n2276 That was only for high levels of play, therefore not always better.
@@_knighted Mmorpgs have significant power creep, like runescape and so forth. Originally max was tier 40 armor, then tier 50 and we are now up to tier 92.
I feel like the overwatch team has dealt with power creep pretty well with nerfs, buffs and the new characters often being unique instead of just better version of an older hero (Hammond for example). I think this is one of the reasons why they add new heroes relatively slowly.
Dive, mercywatch, goatswatch. Blizzard takes eons to do anything. We are not asking for changes weekly but they let things go on for a year before pulling out the nuke that is actually just a bandaid solution that an intern could come up with in an hour.
*So basically*
Power Creep is the meta
No, but kind of
Meta is actually an anagram for Most Efficient Tactical Advance
Meta is made by the players (generally, unless it's a blizzard game) and power creep is made by the devs, they go hand in hand but aren't quite the same
Arirezz summed it up nicely, but to simplfy it a bit more.
Meta = People trying to find the most effective way to play.
Powercreep = The company releasing things that are just better than the old stuff.
Power creep always seems to happen to characters you love the playsyle of. You like to use their playstyle but now you won't ever win by using it and have to work with one you dont like.
Dota 2 Balance > League Balance
What you said about r6 is not true. The new operators offer different solutions to the same problems that have always existed and have always been able to be solved. They merely offer variety in how to deal with these problems, for example how to get rid of this reinforced wall or this electronic device. Also, new additions very often benefit old operators, for example the introduction of Lion was indirectly a Mute buff etc.
Claus Eberdnsn plus with 1 shot head shot mechanics in the game most guns can’t power creep previous ones bc well they all 1 shot headshot
I dont know whats happening here, anyone else? 😂
Why are you even watching this if you aren't into the competitive scene?
Moira and Ashe aren't good examples of power creep. Moira is actually extremely limited by her design, having only raw output and no utility (there's a reason why when you get to Diamond+ people just assume you're throwing), and Ashe is only a mid-way point BETWEEN McCree and Widowmaker. Mercy, Soldier, and McCree aren't pushed out due to having better versions of themselves in the game, they're mostly pushed out because of Blizzard's unwillingness to do anything about Goats.
For a channel that's usually very well informed, it's pretty shocking that you chose to use Moira as an example of egregious power creep, when she's so limited by her design and only usable in lower SR or the worst performing version of Goats.
@okidli While that's true, you also give up Trans for not having the Zen. And I think I remember seeing a contenders game (can't for the life of me remember which one) where they swapped out Brig for Baptiste because they knew the other team would run a Pharah.
Your puny esports might have to deal with power creep, but the ultimate esport, smash bros melee, is immune to it.
Rocket League
It's also immune to showers.
Not anymore since it's a solved game and there won't be anymore changes, but Falcon and Jigglypuff both used to be considered low tier. New tech power crept them though.
20 year old irrelevant trash game
Great video. Thanks for spreading awareness of this terrible disease.
COMPETITIVE POKEMON omg it's so badddd
gen3 OU Salamence: I'm the best dragon in the tier
gen4 OU Salamence: I got banned from OU due to my inquestionable power!
gen5 OU Salamence: They unbanned me from Uber to OU, yeah I can be dominant agai-
Garchomp: also, you got a new ability.
Salamence: you are unbanned from Uber too.. e-eh.. B-but, with that new ability, I can finally-
Dragonite: got one-hit ko by any ice attack as always
Salamence: yeah you got a better ability and you can more exploit the weather meta than me, b-but I'm still better than you thicc ass!
Latios: hey bois, I'm back and the choice specs looks nice here!
Politoed: and he's good at surfing now
Salamence, Dragonite and Garchomp: wait what the-
Kyurem-Black: hey, you guys seem forgot me!
Salamence: dude, this isn't your place. Uber is over he-
Kyurem-Black: IM OVERUSED
Salamence: b-b-but.. you are THE LEGENDARY of THE VERSION and you have fucking 170 base attack!!!
Kyurem-Black: you're not good anymore, just deal with it
Salamence: …
Dragonite: It's okay dude, dragon type is one of the best pokémon type anyway and like me in gen5, maybe you'll get new tools that making you better the next gen!
gen6 OU fairy types: LET'S INTRODUCE OURSELVES!
Also how they just killed weather meta. Pisses me off
@@GrantRossow that centralized too much the meta.
Use the Apex style where the new Legends are different approaches to the current ones...
A example of this is Octane, he have a solid and always available speed boost with a huge trade off, the -10% health, and speed boost is available on other 3 legends, Bloodhound have a ult that gives the same speed boost + other benefits, but it can only be used once in a while, Bangalore get a speed boost when she get shooted (even if it's a missed shot), but it works for like 3/5 secs and etc...